Iceberg: the software development revolution

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• Didn't someone just write about this?...

  A couple of weeks ago some person on your staff wrote and article to the effect of "do real men write their own web instructions" or use web page generation tools.
  
  Same here, all these tools are just cool and peachy until they go sideways. Then you better know how to program or your goose is cooked.

  

  mikifinaz1@...

  8 September, 2008 14:30

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  • RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

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• RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

  This reminds me of the compilers we used to use to
  speed up the programs written in 'basic' many many
  years ago...

  

  bob3160_z

  8 September, 2008 16:01

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• RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

  Does allow you to access the code behind? If it's writing html does it give you a readable format when you want to look at it, or does give a scrunched up blob that I'm going to have to spend hours formatting to see what in the world the thing's trying to do and how it screwed up?

  

  alaniane@...

  8 September, 2008 17:36

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• Oh wow!

  Now try and add new functionality (better call a nerd). We also call this WF. Except WF is faster, which is sad considering how bad it is.

  

  Spiritusindomit@...

  8 September, 2008 17:37

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  • RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

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    7 June, 2011 05:21

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• RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

  Complete reuse of the code certainly the next genration development IDE. Way to go .. super

  

  anand_kothalkar

  8 September, 2008 20:40

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• RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

  Sounds good, great article but where does someone go to find out more? Google only gives infor about icebergs (cold ones) or some software from the Mac. An article like this should at least have a link to the actual site!!!

  

  arafique@...

  9 September, 2008 01:17

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  • Get Iceberg

    http://www.geticeberg.com/download/

    

    dolphgaines

    9 September, 2008 05:26

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• RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

  seems gr8 :)

  

  webchecker

  9 September, 2008 04:35

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  • RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

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• The Sound of Silence

  Although it all sound pretty good - judging by the responsiveness of the folks at Iceberg to queries & inquiries - I really don't think it is ready for any serious use.
  
  I sent an email to get more info on the hosting option and no response. Same result with the contact us page. Call this the "Sound of Silence" not Iceberg.

  

  irugal2001

  17 September, 2008 22:41

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• Too good to be True?

  It is very hard to find critical information such as minimal deployment requirements from their web site (e.g. as can it run on Win XP professional etc.).
  
  I did download Iceberg and tried to install it - but it just stopped midway giving a error page which did not even give a meaningful error message to act on.
  
  I will pass on this until other real-life users can prove this is ready for serious use.
  
  As a consultant I was hoping to do some R&D before recommending my clients to evaluate the potential use of IceBerg

  

  irugal2001

  17 September, 2008 22:44

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• RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

  Hi, I am Wayne Byrne the CEO of Iceberg.
  
  Firstly sorry for the delay responding to this post,
  we get coverage on a lot of blogs and it's not always
  possible to keep track of the comments on each of them
  but I do like to help where I can.
  
  I just noticed your message here and was very
  surprised to hear you contacted us but didn't get a
  response.
  
  Admittedly when this article was out in 08 I do recall
  being very busy but I am still surprised that your
  email slipped through the cracks.
  
  The issue you mentioned was something some of the
  trial users experienced but was caused more by the sql
  server installation on desktops than Iceberg in our
  experience.
  
  Either way after such a long time I am sure you have
  moved on but I would be very happy to hear from you
  and set you up with a hosted trial you can use.
  
  Please don't hesitate to contact me at
  wayne@geticeberg.com
  
  Thank you,
  
  Wayne Byrne
  CEO
  Iceberg

  

  Waynejbyrne

  11 February, 2010 08:27

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• RE: iGeneration: Iceberg (Iceberg: the software development revolution)

  That is really a big question. Google's servers are the heart of Google's business. And it has long been a FEATURE, a FEATURE, not a LOOPHOLE, that one could privately modify the GPL code they use to run their business. Of course web applications are obviously SaaS. But where does one draw the line between those applications and the servers that host them? For example, take an insurance company running open source on their back end servers. At some point they decide to put a customer facing front end on those servers so that customers can access their accounts over the Net. Does that suddenly make that whole kaboodle Saas? If so, I am not sure I am comfortable with AGPL. In fact, I am not sure I am comfortable with this concept anyway since it undercuts one of the few provisions that make GPL software highly attractive to businesses that are not engaged in reselling the software itself. It really compromises the spirit of the GPL in some ways

  

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