Ubuntu 10.10 'Maverick Meerkat' released: What's new (and improved)?
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Ubuntu 10.10 released on 10/10/10
Ubuntu 10.10 was aptly released on the 10/10/10, on Saturday. Though this is only a minor release from the prior 10.04 major update, a few things have changed in the process. Mostly, the 'cloud' has been enhanced, the installation process has become more new-user friendly and multi-touch support has (finally) been added; making it even more indistinguishable from it's rival, Windows.
To read more on the Ubuntu 10.10 release, check out Paula Rooney's post (ZDNet Open Source blog) 'Ubuntu 10.10 to debut on 10.10.10'" and Chis Dawson's post (ZDNet Education blog) 'Is Ubuntu 10.10 yet another chance to ditch Windows?'.
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I've been running it since the RC was released... definitely worth it.
(the Perfect, as they claim) Ubuntu 10.10 seems a big failure to me:
1. I launched the upgrade from 10.04 and ended up with an
unbootable system "the symbol grub_xputs not found".
The LiveCD trick suggested on one of the forums did not
work. OK, I could have fixed it myself by hand, with
manual config files editing and 2 extra reboots, but gave up
(why should I?) and
2. decided to make a fresh install instead (I keep a separate /home
partition and a few spare partitions for /, to try new distributions
whenever I like, causing no harm to others); so usually it's
very simple and secure, I do not even need backups.
3. The new installation finished 'almost' OK, just installed Grub on a wrong
disk (I have two, probably they just flip a coin there), but
4. when I logged in, I received a bunch of errors, ``.ICEauthority cannot
be settled'', some applets I do not care about could not start up
(all right, I just clicked to delete and forget them), but
5. then the cursor started to jerk permanently, once in a sec, and when
I checked top, it appeared that nautilus (I also do not care about)
takes about 100% on one of the cores, with constantly changing PIDs,
so impossible to kill (except writing and launching a script in the
background).
6. When I checked further, it appeared that the files in my home directory
had wrong ownerships, so I needed to get through deleting all
config files and changing file ownership.
7. All that is a set of trivial tasks simple scripts can do faster and
better. Why should I waste my time? Less experienced users will
most probably give up right after step 1 above.
8. The question is: why Ubuntu sticks to this 6 months release cycle?
Frankly, the quality of their distributions gradually, visibly, and
reliably decreases. I do not mention that 10.04 stopped to correctly
treat RAIDs, destroying them after each stock kernel upgrade
(I do not expect anything good in 10.10 since my 6-month old
bug report is still pending, so it will be a waste of time to try;
this seriously if not completely hinders servers), Ubuntu One cannot
properly synchronize simple a 100MB directory, etc.
9. I agree that straightforward Ubuntu installations on one-disk
(standard) desk- or laptops are seamless. But Ubuntu
does not know about LVMs (which Fedora and CentOS do by default),
and hangs up when you install it on an SSD. So I would rather prefer
they spend next 6 month not on producing bells, whistles and
countdown frenzy, but add some plain reliability. If they really want
to lure MS fans, which can now be attracted only by mistakes.
10. I have about 30 running Linux installations (laptops, desktops,
servers, mostly Ubuntu), so I cannot switch overnight, but will
be forced to, if they continue the same way. I like Linux for
reliability, not for MS-like random buggy behavior (sometimes
panels hide, sometimes not, no one knows why, etc).
1. I launched the upgrade from 10.04 and ended up with an
unbootable system "the symbol grub_xputs not found".
The LiveCD trick suggested on one of the forums did not
work. OK, I could have fixed it myself by hand, with
manual config files editing and 2 extra reboots, but gave up
(why should I?) and
2. decided to make a fresh install instead (I keep a separate /home
partition and a few spare partitions for /, to try new distributions
whenever I like, causing no harm to others); so usually it's
very simple and secure, I do not even need backups.
3. The new installation finished 'almost' OK, just installed Grub on a wrong
disk (I have two, probably they just flip a coin there), but
4. when I logged in, I received a bunch of errors, ``.ICEauthority cannot
be settled'', some applets I do not care about could not start up
(all right, I just clicked to delete and forget them), but
5. then the cursor started to jerk permanently, once in a sec, and when
I checked top, it appeared that nautilus (I also do not care about)
takes about 100% on one of the cores, with constantly changing PIDs,
so impossible to kill (except writing and launching a script in the
background).
6. When I checked further, it appeared that the files in my home directory
had wrong ownerships, so I needed to get through deleting all
config files and changing file ownership.
7. All that is a set of trivial tasks simple scripts can do faster and
better. Why should I waste my time? Less experienced users will
most probably give up right after step 1 above.
8. The question is: why Ubuntu sticks to this 6 months release cycle?
Frankly, the quality of their distributions gradually, visibly, and
reliably decreases. I do not mention that 10.04 stopped to correctly
treat RAIDs, destroying them after each stock kernel upgrade
(I do not expect anything good in 10.10 since my 6-month old
bug report is still pending, so it will be a waste of time to try;
this seriously if not completely hinders servers), Ubuntu One cannot
properly synchronize simple a 100MB directory, etc.
9. I agree that straightforward Ubuntu installations on one-disk
(standard) desk- or laptops are seamless. But Ubuntu
does not know about LVMs (which Fedora and CentOS do by default),
and hangs up when you install it on an SSD. So I would rather prefer
they spend next 6 month not on producing bells, whistles and
countdown frenzy, but add some plain reliability. If they really want
to lure MS fans, which can now be attracted only by mistakes.
10. I have about 30 running Linux installations (laptops, desktops,
servers, mostly Ubuntu), so I cannot switch overnight, but will
be forced to, if they continue the same way. I like Linux for
reliability, not for MS-like random buggy behavior (sometimes
panels hide, sometimes not, no one knows why, etc).
@svorobyov
What a fright!
Were you smallpox's infected, also?
As my Grandmother used to say; ?The edge of your underskirt is showing??
What a fright!
Were you smallpox's infected, also?
As my Grandmother used to say; ?The edge of your underskirt is showing??
@Marco nn
hahaha, but it's not funny when the leading distro is that lousy put at a minor test. Ask your granma how I could convince students to install that kind of shovelware. She sure has a recipe (like repeatedly saying "what a delicious honey this @#$% of Ubuntu"). Report.
hahaha, but it's not funny when the leading distro is that lousy put at a minor test. Ask your granma how I could convince students to install that kind of shovelware. She sure has a recipe (like repeatedly saying "what a delicious honey this @#$% of Ubuntu"). Report.
@svorobyov
I sadly mostly have to agree with him. Issue #3 I first encountered in 9.10, seems to be caused by trying to deny the differences between IDE and SATA drive and not being consistent as to which is "first" in the chain. Ignoring my BIOS boot order setting really doesn't help!
Issue #8 addresses the crux of the problem -- different is not better, better is better and all the eye candy du jour is counter productive if you actually use the system.
I sadly mostly have to agree with him. Issue #3 I first encountered in 9.10, seems to be caused by trying to deny the differences between IDE and SATA drive and not being consistent as to which is "first" in the chain. Ignoring my BIOS boot order setting really doesn't help!
Issue #8 addresses the crux of the problem -- different is not better, better is better and all the eye candy du jour is counter productive if you actually use the system.
@svorobyov
Hmm, my innocent message above appears to be flagged now. What's the reason and who did it?
No swear words, flames, or lies whatsoever, just plain facts.
Am I supposed to sing the mainstream hosanna to Ubuntu/Canonical this list is paid by or supposed to support? Right, I should have paid attention to "...and improved" statement, sorry.
Hmm, my innocent message above appears to be flagged now. What's the reason and who did it?
No swear words, flames, or lies whatsoever, just plain facts.
Am I supposed to sing the mainstream hosanna to Ubuntu/Canonical this list is paid by or supposed to support? Right, I should have paid attention to "...and improved" statement, sorry.
@svorobyov: Hmm, my innocent message above appears to be flagged now. What's the reason and who did it?
You're spamming this feedback forum with posts that serve no beneficial purpose. Save for your initial post but I'm not sure I believe it given the posts of yours which followed.
You're spamming this feedback forum with posts that serve no beneficial purpose. Save for your initial post but I'm not sure I believe it given the posts of yours which followed.
@svorobyov
Thus, my dear svorobyo, your MS'agenda is clear as the sunlight, Spam and lie.
I am sorry, I was wrong, you were not smallpox's infected. You (and all of you) are the smallpox of the free and reliable opinion, my dear TROLL.
BTW: My Grandmother use Ubuntu and recommend to use any software that you like... but... if it's FREE ...better.
Thus, my dear svorobyo, your MS'agenda is clear as the sunlight, Spam and lie.
I am sorry, I was wrong, you were not smallpox's infected. You (and all of you) are the smallpox of the free and reliable opinion, my dear TROLL.
BTW: My Grandmother use Ubuntu and recommend to use any software that you like... but... if it's FREE ...better.
@Marco nn
FYI: I've got just one MS Win 7, which came with my laptop.
The only reason I keep it is for running Skype, which is more advanced for Windows compared to Linux version. I try to use the best tool for the purpose (not just the hammer as you).
What is then clear with my MS agenda?
Enumerating troubles you encounter in a new distribution is spam? Read the definition.
Where exactly did I lie? You should be held responsible for what you are saying.
Why am I (again insulted) an enemy of the free and reliable opinion? Do I forbid or flag anything?
Bottom line: your message is a ton of pure nonsense and gibberish. You forgot your granma's best advice and missed an excellent opportunity to keep mum unless you have smth clever to say. You cannot even decently formulate your granma's "FREE" idea. Has she mentioned that stupidity, like smallpox you are obsessed with, is contagious?
FYI: I've got just one MS Win 7, which came with my laptop.
The only reason I keep it is for running Skype, which is more advanced for Windows compared to Linux version. I try to use the best tool for the purpose (not just the hammer as you).
What is then clear with my MS agenda?
Enumerating troubles you encounter in a new distribution is spam? Read the definition.
Where exactly did I lie? You should be held responsible for what you are saying.
Why am I (again insulted) an enemy of the free and reliable opinion? Do I forbid or flag anything?
Bottom line: your message is a ton of pure nonsense and gibberish. You forgot your granma's best advice and missed an excellent opportunity to keep mum unless you have smth clever to say. You cannot even decently formulate your granma's "FREE" idea. Has she mentioned that stupidity, like smallpox you are obsessed with, is contagious?
Can't reply to Ye's message above, since it does not have
the "reply" button; maybe the blog's based on Ubuntu features. So, will do it here.
@svorobyov: Hmm, my innocent message above appears to be flagged now. What's the reason and who did it?
Ye says:
You're spamming this feedback forum with posts that serve no beneficial purpose. Save for your initial post but I'm not sure I believe it given the posts of yours which followed.
Does "beneficial" according to you mean expressing collective ecstasy about how great new Ubuntu is? I gave reason why I don't buy it.
Your definition of truth depends (while it should not) on who says it. We are not speaking beliefs here, just plain autopsy facts, which you do not like, and decide to ignore. Science cannot help here. See your pastor.
Since when reporting (according to the topic of the list) the misbehavior of a system under review is considered spam? (just google to learn about spam not to misuse in the future).
I just made two bets, on several successful installations, on the structure of underlying hardware. Apparently I won. These are the systems where there's no need for any complicated analysis and ubuntu's installer (with its infinitesimal IQ) can do well: there are simply no choices or alternatives to make any mistakes. Elementary, Watson!
the "reply" button; maybe the blog's based on Ubuntu features. So, will do it here.
@svorobyov: Hmm, my innocent message above appears to be flagged now. What's the reason and who did it?
Ye says:
You're spamming this feedback forum with posts that serve no beneficial purpose. Save for your initial post but I'm not sure I believe it given the posts of yours which followed.
Does "beneficial" according to you mean expressing collective ecstasy about how great new Ubuntu is? I gave reason why I don't buy it.
Your definition of truth depends (while it should not) on who says it. We are not speaking beliefs here, just plain autopsy facts, which you do not like, and decide to ignore. Science cannot help here. See your pastor.
Since when reporting (according to the topic of the list) the misbehavior of a system under review is considered spam? (just google to learn about spam not to misuse in the future).
I just made two bets, on several successful installations, on the structure of underlying hardware. Apparently I won. These are the systems where there's no need for any complicated analysis and ubuntu's installer (with its infinitesimal IQ) can do well: there are simply no choices or alternatives to make any mistakes. Elementary, Watson!
It's TOO funny.
To everyone else: I know I should just ignore him!
@svorobyov
Whoa sounds like a ton of headaches.
1) You say you could have fixed it yourself "by hand" (generic term) Using what method exactly, just curious.
2) Keeping a "few spare partitionS for /" is SIMPLE?
3) GRUB on the wrong disk would be your fault for not specifying, not the ever-so-dated "the computer did it!"
4) "ICEauthority cannot be settled" - No joke, but it that even a real error, excuse my ignorance, as I don't have 30 running Linux installs
5) AMAZING!
6) Brand new install, and already the wrong permissions? Was this one of the home directories you brought over? Just curious, because on a brand spanking new install, I find this RIDICULOUSLY hard to believe
7) This isn't actually an issue, more a comment following your #7, so really not even part of your list. But =, I understand how perfect the number "10" is....You say, "Less experienced users" well, hey, case in point (you).
8) Never had probs sync'ing a directory of gargantuan proportions. Oh, and, "I don't know what I'm doing" is NOT a bug report
9) I just like the fact that you said "MS fans" and "mistakes" in the same sentence
'Perfect' 10) 30 running Linux installations....Okay I'll bite. what distros? RUNNING, ACTIVELY?
Panels? LINUX has panels?! Oh my god!
"Very funny Unit 91"
To everyone else: I know I should just ignore him!
@svorobyov
Whoa sounds like a ton of headaches.
1) You say you could have fixed it yourself "by hand" (generic term) Using what method exactly, just curious.
2) Keeping a "few spare partitionS for /" is SIMPLE?
3) GRUB on the wrong disk would be your fault for not specifying, not the ever-so-dated "the computer did it!"
4) "ICEauthority cannot be settled" - No joke, but it that even a real error, excuse my ignorance, as I don't have 30 running Linux installs
5) AMAZING!
6) Brand new install, and already the wrong permissions? Was this one of the home directories you brought over? Just curious, because on a brand spanking new install, I find this RIDICULOUSLY hard to believe
7) This isn't actually an issue, more a comment following your #7, so really not even part of your list. But =, I understand how perfect the number "10" is....You say, "Less experienced users" well, hey, case in point (you).
8) Never had probs sync'ing a directory of gargantuan proportions. Oh, and, "I don't know what I'm doing" is NOT a bug report
9) I just like the fact that you said "MS fans" and "mistakes" in the same sentence
'Perfect' 10) 30 running Linux installations....Okay I'll bite. what distros? RUNNING, ACTIVELY?
Panels? LINUX has panels?! Oh my god!
"Very funny Unit 91"
@maclovin
Yeah, a very funny Ubuntu autopsy report.
Unclear why bug reports should be ignored.
Right, it is a ton of headaches.
1) easy as 123
2) see #1
3) I reported what I've seen during the autopsy
4) see 3; yest it's a real error, since nothing worked afterwards
5) I think the same, maybe AWFUL would be better
6) brand new install of the system on / keeping the old /home (from Ubuntu 10.04); read carefully;
7) I haven't done anything wrong, first tried to upgrade (no luck), then made a clean system install (partial luck) and recorded what happened. Speaking about "less experienced", why have you asked #1 and 2?
8) "Never had..." is not scientific. If you have not experienced it, it does not mean it never happens. As you probably know a single counterexample refutes a theorem. I filed a few bug reports, and, believe me, I know what I am doing.
9) I did it on purpose.
10) As I said, mostly Ubuntu, also Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, running a cluster 24/7, more actively than you can even imagine, buddy.
BTW: check it out Gnome suggests "add this icon to the panel?" You should be more attentive.
To everybody else: another one missed an excellent opportunity to keep mum.
Yeah, a very funny Ubuntu autopsy report.
Unclear why bug reports should be ignored.
Right, it is a ton of headaches.
1) easy as 123
2) see #1
3) I reported what I've seen during the autopsy
4) see 3; yest it's a real error, since nothing worked afterwards
5) I think the same, maybe AWFUL would be better
6) brand new install of the system on / keeping the old /home (from Ubuntu 10.04); read carefully;
7) I haven't done anything wrong, first tried to upgrade (no luck), then made a clean system install (partial luck) and recorded what happened. Speaking about "less experienced", why have you asked #1 and 2?
8) "Never had..." is not scientific. If you have not experienced it, it does not mean it never happens. As you probably know a single counterexample refutes a theorem. I filed a few bug reports, and, believe me, I know what I am doing.
9) I did it on purpose.
10) As I said, mostly Ubuntu, also Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, running a cluster 24/7, more actively than you can even imagine, buddy.
BTW: check it out Gnome suggests "add this icon to the panel?" You should be more attentive.
To everybody else: another one missed an excellent opportunity to keep mum.
@maclovin
Well, Ignorant,
"ignorance is not an argument" (old Latin), so your
"arguments" were well outdated before you were born.
Spare us of those here.
Well, Ignorant,
"ignorance is not an argument" (old Latin), so your
"arguments" were well outdated before you were born.
Spare us of those here.
@svorobyov
What is then clear with my MS agenda?
1)It is so obvious my friend (Like a thief with the wallet in the hand) but a little clue, You should use 1 of your '30 Linux machines'...ever.(translate:collected information on the Internet should make sense)
Why am I (again insulted) an enemy of the free and reliable opinion?
2) see #1
Bottom line: 'your message is a ton of pure nonsense and gibberish'
Do you notice how bad it's perceived? Well, perception of individuals like you, trying to trick others, is worse... my dear friend.
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... enough! my dear friend Troll.
What is then clear with my MS agenda?
1)It is so obvious my friend (Like a thief with the wallet in the hand) but a little clue, You should use 1 of your '30 Linux machines'...ever.(translate:collected information on the Internet should make sense)
Why am I (again insulted) an enemy of the free and reliable opinion?
2) see #1
Bottom line: 'your message is a ton of pure nonsense and gibberish'
Do you notice how bad it's perceived? Well, perception of individuals like you, trying to trick others, is worse... my dear friend.
----------
... enough! my dear friend Troll.
@Marco nn
could please anyone around there help him to formulate his gibberish thoughts so as I could reply (should I)? Makes no sense at all (nuts?)
could please anyone around there help him to formulate his gibberish thoughts so as I could reply (should I)? Makes no sense at all (nuts?)
@Marco nn my dear friend Troll.
Hm Read some more post! There are some problems with The Grub!!! You guys Sound like a bunch of 3 year olds! Call some one a troll Prove it Most of his post you can find In the help boards! I use Ubuntu on one box an open SuSE on another AM I A TROLL? You guy are so ..... Words fail me.... So sad!
Hm Read some more post! There are some problems with The Grub!!! You guys Sound like a bunch of 3 year olds! Call some one a troll Prove it Most of his post you can find In the help boards! I use Ubuntu on one box an open SuSE on another AM I A TROLL? You guy are so ..... Words fail me.... So sad!
@Marco nn
FYI: The term is often used as an ad hominem strategy to discredit an opposing position by attacking its proponent.
Often, calling someone a troll makes (wrong) assumptions about a writer's motives.
Our Marco friend made it with 10/10 precision. 100% ubuntiod, what can we add? Pity...
FYI: The term is often used as an ad hominem strategy to discredit an opposing position by attacking its proponent.
Often, calling someone a troll makes (wrong) assumptions about a writer's motives.
Our Marco friend made it with 10/10 precision. 100% ubuntiod, what can we add? Pity...
@svorobyov 1. I launched the upgrade from 10.04
SUCKER! I would have waited until the end of April 2012 to do that!
For your servers, edit apt's sources.list, comment out all lines except lucid and lucid-security (avoid the RAID issue and most of what you mentioned...) As for permissions, it is your fault for picking a different user name on the second install but whether that was the case or not, it can be changed very easily, if you know what you're doing. Don't worry about new and less-experienced users, they will not go through the same problems you're going through because they don't have the same setup/purpose and know better than to mess with a good thing.
SUCKER! I would have waited until the end of April 2012 to do that!
For your servers, edit apt's sources.list, comment out all lines except lucid and lucid-security (avoid the RAID issue and most of what you mentioned...) As for permissions, it is your fault for picking a different user name on the second install but whether that was the case or not, it can be changed very easily, if you know what you're doing. Don't worry about new and less-experienced users, they will not go through the same problems you're going through because they don't have the same setup/purpose and know better than to mess with a good thing.
@tripolitan
Ok, the sucker (me) has to wait until April 2012, got it.
Edit ... I know that (and all the dirty tricks you can ever think of) but why should I care? Isn't it intended for human beings as they claim?
Why should I change my name on every upgrade, sucker, (as you like to be addressed)?
I know what I am doing, trust me.
I know it's all very easy, I simply asked why computers can't do this automatically (why should I always do it
by hand? whereas others cannot). Read carefully in the future.
Watch you grammar and style, to be not misunderstood.
How do you/they know what is better and better than to mess with a good thing.?You mentioned a good thing as well, which one (name it)?
Looks like a typical ubuntoid has no more than 1 straight brain fold minimizing his mental capacities and preventing him to think adequately.
Ok, the sucker (me) has to wait until April 2012, got it.
Edit ... I know that (and all the dirty tricks you can ever think of) but why should I care? Isn't it intended for human beings as they claim?
Why should I change my name on every upgrade, sucker, (as you like to be addressed)?
I know what I am doing, trust me.
I know it's all very easy, I simply asked why computers can't do this automatically (why should I always do it
by hand? whereas others cannot). Read carefully in the future.
Watch you grammar and style, to be not misunderstood.
How do you/they know what is better and better than to mess with a good thing.?You mentioned a good thing as well, which one (name it)?
Looks like a typical ubuntoid has no more than 1 straight brain fold minimizing his mental capacities and preventing him to think adequately.
@svorobyov :could please anyone around there help him to formulate his gibberish thoughts so as I could reply (should I)? Makes no sense at all (nuts?)
Hmmm:
-He is telling you, that your Trollish behavior is obvious, as it is your close-to-nothing knowledge of computers using Linux. That it is also clear that this you have written is close to "having Googled something" more than personal experience, proof of this, is that when looked at, your arguments do not make any sense whatsoever.
-That if you read the first answer, you will find an answer for the next question
-Hmmm:
'Do you notice how bad it's perceived?(-the 'nonsense and gibberish'-) Well, perception (-the representation of what is perceived; basic component in the formation of a concept-) of individuals like you, trying to trick others (-cheat,mislead-), is worse (-meaning: this looks really bad on you-)... my dear friend
You are welcome
Hmmm:
-He is telling you, that your Trollish behavior is obvious, as it is your close-to-nothing knowledge of computers using Linux. That it is also clear that this you have written is close to "having Googled something" more than personal experience, proof of this, is that when looked at, your arguments do not make any sense whatsoever.
-That if you read the first answer, you will find an answer for the next question
-Hmmm:
'Do you notice how bad it's perceived?(-the 'nonsense and gibberish'-) Well, perception (-the representation of what is perceived; basic component in the formation of a concept-) of individuals like you, trying to trick others (-cheat,mislead-), is worse (-meaning: this looks really bad on you-)... my dear friend
You are welcome
@anibalr
not sure your reply clarifies anything; we sure need a google tool to translate ubuntish -> plain English
Agreed: the only thing I know is that I know nothing --
the old saying (don't remember whose) I keep repeating to myself. Still it's clearly far above the IQ of 10^10 average ubuntiods.
Are there any volunteers out there to help this guy as well?
I could but it would be considered as unfair (not pure)
scientific experiment.
not sure your reply clarifies anything; we sure need a google tool to translate ubuntish -> plain English
Agreed: the only thing I know is that I know nothing --
the old saying (don't remember whose) I keep repeating to myself. Still it's clearly far above the IQ of 10^10 average ubuntiods.
Are there any volunteers out there to help this guy as well?
I could but it would be considered as unfair (not pure)
scientific experiment.
@svorobyov
Have you ever thought of reporting all of this? If you're having so much trouble with 10.10 then why not just go back to 10.04? :P
Have you ever thought of reporting all of this? If you're having so much trouble with 10.10 then why not just go back to 10.04? :P
@Zc456
I actually did, many times, no response.
I just clicked "upgrade" and stupidly decided to report
here. Will NOT repeat this stupidity, promise.
Now I get a lot of this is it from everywhere. Sorry.
I actually did, many times, no response.
I just clicked "upgrade" and stupidly decided to report
here. Will NOT repeat this stupidity, promise.
Now I get a lot of this is it from everywhere. Sorry.
@Zc456 Because he has no clue, yet has 30 Linux installations, 10 of which are servers! Mamma mia!
@svorobyov
what you describe is exactly the reason why I stick to LTS, your best bet would have been to just update to 10.04.1 and you would have been good for a while.
Personally I am a bit over-paranoid with the in-place upgrade - in systems with MD root-mirror I break the mirror then run the update. If no raid-mirror then I clone the partiton via rsync to a network server (everyone has one right?) If all goes well, I reconnect the mirror disks and resync. If any problems I will disconnect the primary disks, reconnect and reboot of the originals then reconnect / resync. Yes I blame my corporate *nix experience for may paranoia, and problems do occur no matter what OS you are running. Personally I have seen many, many more windows upgrade failures compared to debian/ubuntu. Luckily there are utilities like ghost to mitigate them (partition backups = godsend) and make recovery a simple, quick affair.
>"usually it's very simple and secure, I do not even need backups"
Trust me - you do. Regardless of your distro or OS, separate partitions are not enough, use another disk completely and have the other disconnected. Windows logic definitely applies here - better safe than sorry. Some installers are smart but I would not trust them - better to have your wanted data disconnected and out-of-sight.
One thing I that I like to do - and debian/ubuntu makes it quite simple - perform a command-line only install, and you can see how stable the system is working w/o a GUI and it's associated problems. If all is well and working install the desktop and you can troubleshoot what your X problems are having with not only Gnome but XFCE, Fluxbox (my personal fave for remote desktop tunneled via ssh), etc.
I am curious about your hardware it sounds like you have a laptop w/ a touchscreen, have seen problems like that not exactly simple to deal with. Have not seen anything that could not be worked around.
>"I do not mention that 10.04 stopped to correctly
treat RAIDs, destroying them after each stock kernel upgrade"
This I ran into - you have to modify/remake the initrd manually so it recognizes your RAID/LVM combo - I wrote a quick script to do it after every update. Sucks to forget to run it and reboot to a broken system
That was a tough one had to search high and low and literally took a good hour of searching to find similar symptoms. No surprise you had issues with a fix.
>"Ubuntu does not know about LVMs"
This is new, have not seen this at all except when paired with MD + crypt + LVM I had to perform the initrd patch mentioned above then all was well.
>"I would rather prefer they spend next 6 month not on producing bells, whistles and countdown frenzy, but add some plain reliability"
Personally the bells and whistles I love, and I always see any problems I encounter with excitement because I love to try and fix them. Unfortunately it does frustrate the average user to no extent (not saying you are an average user here, yours is more of a ubuntu-bash). I want stable I use debian, centos or freebsd - that is why they exist.
cheers
what you describe is exactly the reason why I stick to LTS, your best bet would have been to just update to 10.04.1 and you would have been good for a while.
Personally I am a bit over-paranoid with the in-place upgrade - in systems with MD root-mirror I break the mirror then run the update. If no raid-mirror then I clone the partiton via rsync to a network server (everyone has one right?) If all goes well, I reconnect the mirror disks and resync. If any problems I will disconnect the primary disks, reconnect and reboot of the originals then reconnect / resync. Yes I blame my corporate *nix experience for may paranoia, and problems do occur no matter what OS you are running. Personally I have seen many, many more windows upgrade failures compared to debian/ubuntu. Luckily there are utilities like ghost to mitigate them (partition backups = godsend) and make recovery a simple, quick affair.
>"usually it's very simple and secure, I do not even need backups"
Trust me - you do. Regardless of your distro or OS, separate partitions are not enough, use another disk completely and have the other disconnected. Windows logic definitely applies here - better safe than sorry. Some installers are smart but I would not trust them - better to have your wanted data disconnected and out-of-sight.
One thing I that I like to do - and debian/ubuntu makes it quite simple - perform a command-line only install, and you can see how stable the system is working w/o a GUI and it's associated problems. If all is well and working install the desktop and you can troubleshoot what your X problems are having with not only Gnome but XFCE, Fluxbox (my personal fave for remote desktop tunneled via ssh), etc.
I am curious about your hardware it sounds like you have a laptop w/ a touchscreen, have seen problems like that not exactly simple to deal with. Have not seen anything that could not be worked around.
>"I do not mention that 10.04 stopped to correctly
treat RAIDs, destroying them after each stock kernel upgrade"
This I ran into - you have to modify/remake the initrd manually so it recognizes your RAID/LVM combo - I wrote a quick script to do it after every update. Sucks to forget to run it and reboot to a broken system
That was a tough one had to search high and low and literally took a good hour of searching to find similar symptoms. No surprise you had issues with a fix.>"Ubuntu does not know about LVMs"
This is new, have not seen this at all except when paired with MD + crypt + LVM I had to perform the initrd patch mentioned above then all was well.
>"I would rather prefer they spend next 6 month not on producing bells, whistles and countdown frenzy, but add some plain reliability"
Personally the bells and whistles I love, and I always see any problems I encounter with excitement because I love to try and fix them. Unfortunately it does frustrate the average user to no extent (not saying you are an average user here, yours is more of a ubuntu-bash). I want stable I use debian, centos or freebsd - that is why they exist.
cheers
@svorobyov
This is exactly why I left the Ubuntu Family in 5.04. THE SAME EXACT ISSUES !!!
This also goes to my point in my other post in these TalkBacks. They need to get it right before they make it pretty!! Long live Pardus Linux! Easy to setup, post config, and most importantly !, use!!!!!
This is exactly why I left the Ubuntu Family in 5.04. THE SAME EXACT ISSUES !!!
This also goes to my point in my other post in these TalkBacks. They need to get it right before they make it pretty!! Long live Pardus Linux! Easy to setup, post config, and most importantly !, use!!!!!
...gives us his customary "...but you'll have to recompile the kernel" rant?
@Hatestone Johnson
Shhhhh, don't rush him. He's busy rewriting his "Telnet is open! Telnet is open!" speech. It takes a while to update that 1995 stuff, you know.
Shhhhh, don't rush him. He's busy rewriting his "Telnet is open! Telnet is open!" speech. It takes a while to update that 1995 stuff, you know.
@clfitz
(smirk)
You are right, let's not cast any seed for the troll. He is probably busy trying to compile the kernel to run on his old RCA 1802!
(/smirk)
(smirk)
You are right, let's not cast any seed for the troll. He is probably busy trying to compile the kernel to run on his old RCA 1802!
(/smirk)
Just upgraded both my laptop and desktop by using the upgrade tool. Although it took a good long time (almost an hour) it was very seamless and much easier than trying to upgrade Windows. It works well and got very quick. Now it is more responsive than Windows, except when you hit a slow web site. Kudos to the team!
Do you guys and girls think that Ubuntu 10.10 has been made more friendly (in terms of installation and all-round use) for new users, who opt out of using and are already used to Windows and Mac?
@zwhittaker
I installed it to dual boot with XP and try it out. I couldn't get Evolution to work with my Exchange server. It doesn't retrieve mail and if I try to change any account settings to fix it, it locks up and doesn't save what I tried. I had tried 10.04 a while back and it worked fine. I gave up that time because I couldn't get it to play .mp4 files. It was either no video or no audio. I installed every player but it didn't work. I'd say it was a hardware issue but it was on the same computer I tried both versions and it played .mp4 just fine in 10.10.
Navigation was intuitive and it was very fast. I'm open to trying it again when I have time to learn how to troubleshoot it. That's a big drawback. I've had decades to learn Windows troubleshooting skills.
I installed it to dual boot with XP and try it out. I couldn't get Evolution to work with my Exchange server. It doesn't retrieve mail and if I try to change any account settings to fix it, it locks up and doesn't save what I tried. I had tried 10.04 a while back and it worked fine. I gave up that time because I couldn't get it to play .mp4 files. It was either no video or no audio. I installed every player but it didn't work. I'd say it was a hardware issue but it was on the same computer I tried both versions and it played .mp4 just fine in 10.10.
Navigation was intuitive and it was very fast. I'm open to trying it again when I have time to learn how to troubleshoot it. That's a big drawback. I've had decades to learn Windows troubleshooting skills.
@zwhittaker: Definitely.
@Bookmark71: Go to the Ubuntu software center and get "evolution-mapi" (it's a far better add-on to Evolution for Exchange) - then you can connect to Exchange (I connect to Exchange 2k7 with it now).
@Bookmark71: Go to the Ubuntu software center and get "evolution-mapi" (it's a far better add-on to Evolution for Exchange) - then you can connect to Exchange (I connect to Exchange 2k7 with it now).
@Random_Walk
I didn't mean for my post to become a technical support request but thank you for replying. I'm going to try your suggestion. It really has potential to replace Windows for me.
I didn't mean for my post to become a technical support request but thank you for replying. I'm going to try your suggestion. It really has potential to replace Windows for me.
@zwhittaker
no we don't. Put your questions in neutral rather than stupid "don't we think it's great..." kindergarten way we've been thru
no we don't. Put your questions in neutral rather than stupid "don't we think it's great..." kindergarten way we've been thru
@zwhittaker I would say a mitigated "Yes". Mitigated because, if the user is installing Ubuntu as the only OS, then everything is smooth as buttermilk. But, if you are dual/multi-booting, then you are setting yourself up for a world of headaches. I never understood the point of dual booting. I geneally max out my hard drive with a single OS, so having more than one seems wasteful to me. And in this day and age, it's certainly cheap enough to buy a separate machine for any other operating systems you want to try. Or better yet, get a Dell Optiplex system and take advantage of their extremely modular drive install system and swap main drives.
Did anyone have a successful upgrade on a 10.04 install? I tried on 3 different hardware platforms this weekend and all failed on the Grub2 upgrade...
@slacker400
I upgraded two 10.04 installs on 2 machines with completely different hardware last night. Both upgraded without incident. This machine I'm using now is one of them. It's presently dual booting the 32bit 10.10 and the 64bit 10.04. Everything's working smoothly on both machines.
I upgraded two 10.04 installs on 2 machines with completely different hardware last night. Both upgraded without incident. This machine I'm using now is one of them. It's presently dual booting the 32bit 10.10 and the 64bit 10.04. Everything's working smoothly on both machines.
@eMJayy
I bet you have just one disk and no RAIDS in both of your computers. Lucky you. Am I right?
I bet you have just one disk and no RAIDS in both of your computers. Lucky you. Am I right?
@slacker400
Yes, had 3 successful upgrades from 10.4 without issues on three very different machines, 1 gateway professional@ PIII 933mhz/512 ram, 1Dell laptop@ 2.6mhz P4m/2gb ram, 1Home built desktop@AMD 4400+2.2ghz/2gb ram. On-line upgrade process is currently slow due to high demand and Ubuntu server overload but this too will pass.
Initial feel is very fast and very stable, all subsystems appear to be working, open office solid, Icons all working and customizations consistent from 10.4 to 10.10.
Yes, had 3 successful upgrades from 10.4 without issues on three very different machines, 1 gateway professional@ PIII 933mhz/512 ram, 1Dell laptop@ 2.6mhz P4m/2gb ram, 1Home built desktop@AMD 4400+2.2ghz/2gb ram. On-line upgrade process is currently slow due to high demand and Ubuntu server overload but this too will pass.
Initial feel is very fast and very stable, all subsystems appear to be working, open office solid, Icons all working and customizations consistent from 10.4 to 10.10.
@bobtran
I bet you have just one disk and no RAIDS in both of your computers. Lucky you. Am I right?
I bet you have just one disk and no RAIDS in both of your computers. Lucky you. Am I right?
@slacker400
Just sing Michael Jackson's "You are not alone". It's actually a feature. It should be this way. See the posing above.
Just sing Michael Jackson's "You are not alone". It's actually a feature. It should be this way. See the posing above.
I have been toying with the beta since it was released, and I have encountered the same shutdown/restart problems that plagued Lucid. Lucid seemed to have fixed them, and I thought the same fixes were applied to Maverick. It appears that they were, but later broken in another fix. This is quite annoying. I can not shutdown from the indicator applet in the menu bar, nor can I shutdown from the indicator applet in the login screen. The only way to shutdown/restart is through the command line. I really wish they would FIX this. Karmic never had this problem.
As to the GRUB problems, there has been a lot of comment about exactly where you should install GRUB. Many people pointed out that the Lucid installer's suggestion to install GRUB to `all` drives and partitions borked many Windows installs by installing GRUB to the Windows partitions. That is quite stupid. Not user friendly. It leads to all kinds of problems. I believe that they have taken notice of that, and have set up the installer NOT to install to a Windows partition (keep fingers crossed!). Some people have reported that after booting into Windows, their GRUB boot sequence got screwed up. The culprit appears to be some Windows programs that make use of some of the spare sectors in the boot track. Many GRUB installs put one of the two boot image files there, and the boot gets clobbered. I believe that this problem is being addressed on a `signature by signature` basis. (IOW - when a `signature` of one of these offending Windows programs is determined, it is added to the detection logic.)
Now, as to multi-boot, I have a quint-boot system. I can boot Karmic, Lucid, Maverick, I have a place holder partition for Natty, and (unfortunately,) the capability to boot Windows XP (if it is necessary).
I have achieved this by setting GRUB TWICE!
The first instance of GRUB acts as an O/S selector, and chainloads into the desired O/S. In each Ubuntu, its OWN version of GRUB does the booting required to bring that O/S up. In each of the individual O/S partitions, I have disabled the scripts that probe for memtest and the other O/S detection. It was a bit tricky to set up, but each O/S is compartmentalized, and one partition can be deleted with out affecting the others, except that if you attempt to select as deleted O/S partition, you will hang up the system.
I prefer to do complete installs, and not perform upgrades, as I have heard that the upgrade path is often problematic. Like another poster, my `/data`, `/music` and `/video` files are common to all of the Ubuntu O/S partitions along with `/opt`.
For the most part, I like what I see, finally, I can get a bootsplash image with the second GRUB (for Maverick only), something that the crippled version of gfxmenu has not been able to do in the earlier versions of GRUB.
I will second a previous posters comment, guys, time to get out the polish, and fix the usability bugs first. Given MS's track record, you have a year or two before Windows 8 shows up. It would be nice if Ubuntu 12.04 (next LTS) is rock solid.
As to the GRUB problems, there has been a lot of comment about exactly where you should install GRUB. Many people pointed out that the Lucid installer's suggestion to install GRUB to `all` drives and partitions borked many Windows installs by installing GRUB to the Windows partitions. That is quite stupid. Not user friendly. It leads to all kinds of problems. I believe that they have taken notice of that, and have set up the installer NOT to install to a Windows partition (keep fingers crossed!). Some people have reported that after booting into Windows, their GRUB boot sequence got screwed up. The culprit appears to be some Windows programs that make use of some of the spare sectors in the boot track. Many GRUB installs put one of the two boot image files there, and the boot gets clobbered. I believe that this problem is being addressed on a `signature by signature` basis. (IOW - when a `signature` of one of these offending Windows programs is determined, it is added to the detection logic.)
Now, as to multi-boot, I have a quint-boot system. I can boot Karmic, Lucid, Maverick, I have a place holder partition for Natty, and (unfortunately,) the capability to boot Windows XP (if it is necessary).
I have achieved this by setting GRUB TWICE!
The first instance of GRUB acts as an O/S selector, and chainloads into the desired O/S. In each Ubuntu, its OWN version of GRUB does the booting required to bring that O/S up. In each of the individual O/S partitions, I have disabled the scripts that probe for memtest and the other O/S detection. It was a bit tricky to set up, but each O/S is compartmentalized, and one partition can be deleted with out affecting the others, except that if you attempt to select as deleted O/S partition, you will hang up the system.
I prefer to do complete installs, and not perform upgrades, as I have heard that the upgrade path is often problematic. Like another poster, my `/data`, `/music` and `/video` files are common to all of the Ubuntu O/S partitions along with `/opt`.
For the most part, I like what I see, finally, I can get a bootsplash image with the second GRUB (for Maverick only), something that the crippled version of gfxmenu has not been able to do in the earlier versions of GRUB.
I will second a previous posters comment, guys, time to get out the polish, and fix the usability bugs first. Given MS's track record, you have a year or two before Windows 8 shows up. It would be nice if Ubuntu 12.04 (next LTS) is rock solid.
I loved 10.04. I'm a netbook Ubuntu user and the Netbook Remix was awesome. I installed 10.10 last night and the new Unity Netbook Desktop is a major disappointment. Buggy, slow, and really a step backward. Too bad because I love Ubuntu but this release for the Netbook misses the mark.
On screenshot 2 above, during the installation process, Ububtu advices: "..For best results: ensure you are connected to the internet". Now, how on earth is a fresh OS being installed without any configuration yet "be connected to the internet"?
Been running 10.10 desktop for the last 24 hours and generally no major problems. Some minor problems with unsupported apps like hotot, gloobus and gmailnotifier. For me the only big disappointment so far is that I'm unable to install Sabnzb+.butt haven't had much time to troubleshoot this. All things said, not a huge difference in speed or usability over 10.04 desktop. More of a baby-step than a huge leap forward.
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