Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 software stack still under wraps

Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 software stack still under wraps

Summary: There was a story recently that Red Hat would replace MySQL with MariaDB in the next version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Actually, Red Hat isn't saying yet which DBMS, or any other specific program, will be shipping in RHEL 7.

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The story sounded plausible. Red Hat was said to have announced that the next version of its flagship operating system Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 7 would ship with the MariaDB database management system (DBMS) installed by default, instead of Oracle's MySQL. Too bad the story was wrong.

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Red Hat isn't committing to MariaDB just yet for its next major Linux update: RHEL 7.

Mark Coggin, senior director of product marketing for RHEL, told me that "RHEL provides customers choice by shipping with several databases supported on a 10-year life-cycle. We plan to do the same with RHEL 7 when it ships; however we are not confirming specific features such as the databases, at this time."

The reason the story sounded believable was that several significant Linux distributions have been replacing MySQL with the MariaDB MySQL fork. One of these, Fedora Linux, is RHEL's foundation operating system.

Linux distributions are making this move because they perceive Oracle as both closing MySQL from open-source contributors and producing an inferior product.

Jaroslav Reznik, Red Hat's Fedora project manager, said, "Recent changes made by Oracle indicate they are moving the MySQL project to be more closed. They are no longer publishing any useful information about security issues and they are not providing complete regression tests any more, and a very large fraction of the MySQL bug database is now not public."

"MariaDB," Reznik continued, "was founded by some of the original MySQL developers, has a more open-source attitude and an active community. We have found them to be much easier to work with, especially in regards to security matters."

Be that as it may, for now Red Hat is not committing RHEL 7 to using MariaDB as its default DBMS.

Coggin would say that Red Hat has just unveiled the beta of Red Hat Software Collections 1.0, which includes a wide range of dynamic languages and database options including MariaDB version 5.5, MySQL version 5.5, and PostgreSQL version 9.2.

Coggin added:

"Red Hat Software Collections 1.0 is offered to customers who have an active subscription to RHEL 6 and is offered with a three-year life-cycle. It will provide a vehicle to introduce the latest dynamic languages and databases on an independent release cycle from the operating system, but offered with the subscription. Red Hat Software Collections 1.0 is the first in a series of releases, and our plans are to also offer this with RHEL 7 as a vehicle to make dynamic languages and databases available for customers."

[That said,] "We are also not in a position to confirm the features or databases planned for Red Hat Software Collections that will be offered with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7. Despite not sharing the details, databases will be offered as part of the overall solution when Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 ships."

"We also still don't have a release date for RHEL 7."

Ronald Pacheco, Red Hat's Senior Manager of Technology Product Management at Red Hat, would only say at the Red Hat Summit in Boston that "The plans are to put out a beta at the end of the calendar year."

Personally, I think Red Hat will move to MariaDB in RHEL 7. Their developers prefer it over MySQL and important Web sites, such as Wikipedia, have already switched to MariaDB.

If Red Hat does make this move, it will be bad news for Oracle. Many companies run Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Python/Perl (LAMP) server software stacks based on RHEL and its clones such as CentOS. Switching to MariaDB would end up cutting Oracle out of many companies' Web servers and other LAMP-based servers.

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  • From the article: "Their developers prefer it [MariaDB] over MySQL"

    Doesn't matter. It's Red Hat's paying customers that count. If Red Hat is smart, they'll offer both MySQL and MariaDB and let its customers decide for themselves.

    P.S. Did you know that many of Red Hat's paying customers run Oracle's flagship database management system on it's RHEL servers?
    Rabid Howler Monkey
    • They should really think seriously about

      offering SQL Server. The numbers are there and Express is free.
      hubivedder
      • You do know Redhat is a Linux vendor, right?

        SQL Server one of Microsoft's lock-in product that only runs on Windows, so even Express is not free since you have to buy Windows before you can use it.

        In any case, why would anyone use the hobbled SQL Express and be locked into MS operating systems, when there are many full version, cross-platform, SQL servers available free?

        PostgreSQL, MySQL, and MariaDB are all complete SQL servers that run on Unix, Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, and Mac, thus freeing you to use, and move, your DB on pretty much any computer(s) you want.
        anothercanuck
      • MS? Really?

        A little early morning astroturfing?

        Please, the only thing 'open' about using a MS product is your checkbook.

        Databases are a commodity. The only money spent should be on creating them, administering them, and coding the queries.
        beau parisi
    • Redhat will offer both MySQL and MariaDB

      Just as RHEL 6 has PostgresSQL, sqlite, and many other SQL choices. The only question is which SQL DB will be installed by default during the generic server install.

      On Fedora, you can install either MySQL or MariaDB or both, if you want, RHEL 7 will be the same.
      anothercanuck
      • NoSQL?

        Wouldn't you expect some open-source NoSQL database management systems to be offered in Red Hat Software Collections as well SQL database management systems? Like, for example, Cassandra, MongoDB,etc.
        Rabid Howler Monkey
        • no

          Most definitely not. Companies do actual work with RHEL.
          unixlads
  • Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 software stack still under wraps

    Since its linux they should just cancel the whole project and keep it under wraps indefinitely.
    Loverock-Davidson
    • Just like MS with Bing/XBOne or Apple with its Magic Bullet/Maps...

      Red Hat seems to be slipping a bit with quality and support, but not true for Linux. The adoption of Linux in general is going through the roof. Google, Sony, ...etc are all heavy distributors.
      sys_engineer
      • You did know he was a troll, didn't you?

        In over a decade of posting, He Who Must Not Be Named has yet to say anything positive about Linux (which he used to call "Linsux") . Doesn't matter what the distro is.
        John L. Ries
    • Loverock-Davidson...check your Surface RT sales and get back to us will you

      I hear Microsoft is trying to push them into the school system as a last resort..

      How is Best Buy doing now that they're stuck with all those close out Surface RT?

      Loverock Davidson is as big a fail as Microsoft Surface RT are.........the only thing different is that Loverock has been failing allot longer....ever since 3.1

      End Of Story.....Period
      Over and Out
  • Re: check your Surface RT sales and get back to us will you.....

    Pathetic and Very Cheap. Make reference to the least popular current Microsoft product that is still a million times more popular than the most popular Linux based product.

    I rest my case .

    FACT !
    5735guy
    • re: most popular linux-based product

      comparing wp8 with android in terms of popularity?
      blackweaver
    • 5735guy is misinformed.

      you're aware that Redhat is a multi billion dollar "Linux" company right? You are area that Android Linux is so crazy far ahead of Windows RT and windows pho put together that they are not even in the same league right?

      Clue bat to aisle 5!
      frankieh
      • Redhat....

        Most of Redhat is tied up with business servers with only a small amount on the desktop with Fedora. Redhat is not even in the same category as Windows RT or Windows 8 Pro.
        5735guy
        • Comparing RHEL to Windows RT? What about comparing Cherries to Porsches?

          Clue - The 'EL' part of 'RHEL' is Enterprise Linux... should NOT be a surprise that it doesn't run well on a handheld... funny, I don't recall their being an Windows Server (or Exchange) for handhelds either...
          Clue - The Linux-based solution for handhelds is called Android -- it has a 52% market share in the US, more than 65% of the worldwide marked (source: IDC May 2013)
          Clue - Apple (who calls their solution for handhelds iOS, not MacOS -- unlike Microsoft, most other software companies come up with DIFFERENT names for different products!) controls another 42% of the US market for handhelds... so for the US, that leaves about 8% for Microsoft & RIM to fight over...

          Now if you really want to discuss Linux as a desktop OS, that's a reasonable thing to discuss -- but it is NOT a "target audience" for RHEL, and so belongs elsewhere.
          Likewise if you really want to discuss the pros and cons of Windows (anything but Server) vs. RHEL
          dan@...
  • Unbreakable Linux

    If I were RedHat, I would use MariaDB just to stick it to Oracle. Oracle would then have to offer MariaDB in their "unbreakable linux" RHEL rip-off.
    JonSawyer