Reinventing CRM? Mike Boysen says it's time

Reinventing CRM? Mike Boysen says it's time

Summary: CRM influencer Mike Boysen says that CRM customers don’t really value how many features they get for their money; they value their ability to get their larger system of jobs done better than their competitors. The industry's challenge is learning how to measure customers' desired outcomes and use them to find competitive opportunities. Do you agree?

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PG NOTE: Mike Boysen is not only a great friend of mine but he has been interestingly a somewhat stealthy influencer who has influenced the thinking of other industry analysts and influencers including me. But there comes a time and a place where important contributions to how to improve the industry need to be brought to light and this is one of those times - and Mike Boysen is one of those people. He is putting his stake in the ground here on the next steps CRM has to take when it comes how it works - the thinking and the approach. What do you think about it? Let him and me know. He is well worth reading and listening to. And very smart.

Mike, take it away! (You can find this piece on Mike's excellent blog Effective CRM, too)

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The CRM industry has always been in a unique position to contribute greatly to the future success of their customers. Yet, numerous studies have shown that the impact of CRM on an organization’s performance is simply not where one would expect, given the enormous investments companies are making.

The simple truth is that technology, by itself, cannot create business outcomes. It can help people get tasks done; but without a broader look at how an organization functions, what purpose it serves, and how the various parts and pieces inter-relate, more advanced implementations of CRM technology become problematic.

As consumers of CRM, we’re essentially betting that a functional one-size-fits-all experience is good enough to achieve our desired business outcomes, and propel us beyond our competitors (who are using the same technology). I believe CRM vendors should do more to take advantage of this position.

The context must shift from products, tools and features to a framework using a customer’s job-to-be-done as its focal point.

Incumbent vendors in the CRM industry don’t appear to be designing break-through business model innovations; the kind that redefine markets, or create entirely new ones.  What we tend to see are improvements to an existing set of tools, or add-on tools that integrate with new technology (like social media); both of which focus on currently supported customer jobs-to-be-done, just differently.

The new entrants to the CRM market seem to focus on paring down existing functionality to make it simpler; and they like to talk about failing fast (instead of targeting better).

What seems to be missing from the innovation focus is the fact that the organizations that use these tools have other related jobs to do as well (before, during and after the jobs we’ve been focusing on). I’m all for simpler, cheaper and more convenient, but if we can find a way to see and understand these other jobs, how they fit together and where they are not getting done satisfactorily for a specific group (or groups), there will be huge innovation opportunities in the CRM space.

Generating sustained growth requires continual innovation to locate new ways to penetrate a market and/or breakthroughs that create completely new markets for growth. To accomplish this, the context must shift from products, tools and features to a framework using a customer’s job-to-be-done as its focal point.

The Obstacles to CRM Innovation

Innovation requires a true understanding of customers’ needs; which best manifest themselves as measures of how well a customer is able to get various jobs (and steps) done. Essentially, until customer needs become metrics within a customer feedback loop, the probability of impactful sustaining or breakthrough innovations will be low.

To that end, I would suggest that there a number of additional barriers preventing CRM vendors from successfully innovating:

  • CRM has historically been seen as a software tool, rather than a systematic approach to understanding and managing successful customer outcomes (as defined by the customer), and vendors perpetuate the myth.
  • CRM is delivered through sets of features attractive to functional silos within organizations with no guaranteed integration, interdependencies and change management built in
  • CRM product development is iterated around an existing product or platform, and thus is restricted from seeing opportunities that may require something different, or completely new
  • CRM is designed through a process of what can we build and not what set of inter-related jobs can we help a customer do better
  • CRM is seen by organizations as a technology to hire; and not as a customer strategy with complimentary capabilities enabled by select technology

The problem is that the organizational drivers for seeking and hiring CRM software have typically come from the teams that are trying to sell products or services; whether short term (sales) or down line (marketing). Essentially, they are looking for more efficient ways to sell more (assuming it’s the right approach to their ultimate purpose).  Vendors have reinforced this process to the point where CRM product categories align perfectly with the traditional functional silos of a hierarchical organization.

I suggest we should take a larger view of CRM and what our customers are truly trying to accomplish when they purchase our software; especially those companies that are moving to flatter, customer-centric structures.

Left solely in the hands of business line managers internally focused on sales, marketing or service, their selections will naturally tend to focus squarely on the enablement of tactical capabilities defined by the line of business. Specifically, they will tend to optimize capabilities that reflect positively on them with little regard for the impact on the company as a whole; let alone the customer. It’s all well intended, but these measures tend to focus on the short term; things that they need to happen now without taking sustainability into account. Even if an innovative company is able to repeatedly develop growth sustaining value propositions, have they also developed the complementary capability to grow top line revenue profitably?

Is it blasphemy to ask these questions?

The $18 billion CRM industry (as it is defined today) continues to exhibit strong growth, suggesting that companies are clearly still searching for answers from CRM software; despite what research shows is an underwhelming customer success rate. As new vendors enter the market, with new technologies and business models, the same pressure faced by their customers (sustained growth and profitability) is felt by the incumbent vendors.

It’s true that CRM vendors rise and fall just like every other kind of company; so why do other companies come to them for answers?  

The CRM problems that businesses face are not software problems; they happen earlier.

Sustaining an edge over the competition requires a new approach to innovation in the CRM space. Rather than designing new features around emerging technologies, I propose that it makes more sense to carefully design a set of offerings that help customers get their jobs done; and not just sales, marketing and service jobs. There is a larger system of interdependence in which these play a supporting role in customer relationship management. These offerings must then fit within a particular customer organization comprised of its unique system, processes, culture and customers.

Therefore, an appropriate CRM offering must not consist solely of technology, but also services designed to assist in the integration between an organization’s capabilities and select supporting CRM technology (possibly even helping to identify and design the capabilities themselves).

Over time, these services should slowly become integrated as a part of the technology. Thus, relying on external partners, or unrelated third parties, to design and deliver them may not be in your best interest in the long run as these services will likely dictate which technology is selected.

The CRM problems that businesses face are not software problems; they happen earlier. It’s simply far more convenient, on both sides of the equation, to focus on shiny new tools we hope will make us more competitive.  It requires far more work to identify gaps that exist between what we are trying to accomplish, and the solutions we are presented with; and the clever newcomer (or incumbent) who sees the larger set of customer jobs-to-be-done, and closes this gap, will be a colossal threat.

What do CRM Customers Really Need?

I like to think of customers and their needs in terms of the job(s) they are trying to get done. A famous quote attributed to Theodore Levitt (economist and Harvard professor) suggested that people don’t want to buy a quarter-inch drill; they actually want a quarter-inch hole. Using this thinking, we can translate that to…

“Companies don’t want CRM software, they want to sell more.”

But, as many job-to-be-done practitioners will point out, people don’t actually want a quarter-inch hole, either. They are trying to accomplish something else: such as mount a shelf, or hang a painting (which may also serve an emotional job or need). With that in mind, I believe we need to include jobs that companies are trying to get done before they select, install or use CRM software; as well as after it’s in place and being consumed.  Sure, they want to sell more; but they need to do so profitably as well – and sustain it.

Since CRM software is not automatically building growth and profitability into the companies that acquire it, maybe we need to look at jobs being done before CRM software is acquired, or used, to find the answer. So, let’s explore a few areas we might find other related CRM jobs that companies struggle with. Could a different looking (and larger) CRM industry…

  • Help companies identify and develop competitive capabilities and strategies to deliver value the customer truly needs and wants – even if they can’t articulate it?
  • Help companies identify, analyze and manage the drivers required for effective customer value management?
  • Help companies learn from the customer at each touchpoint and act to continuously improve then and there?
  • Help companies identify target opportunities for innovation which guarantee a high probability of success?
  • Help companies select, design and implement the necessary tools (and only those tools) which enable these capabilities?

Why wouldn’t the CRM industry be interested in helping their customers accomplish more than the successful consumption of technology? Companies are clearly struggling with the job of identifying what customers value, and how to deliver to that need profitably over time.  I think deep down most people would agree…and then “this is how we’ve always done it” gets in the way.

So, if we are able to define the scores of new CRM jobs, and identify all of the job executors who play a role, how well will the current slate of CRM software options enable them? Does the current market of CRM, Social CRM, or Enterprise software help with issues like these, which are faced by many companies? (h/t to The Customer Framework for this list)

  • You want customers at the center of your business but you’re not sure what that means, can’t communicate it and can’t find the tools to support it.
  • You know there is financial value in your customer base but you’re not sure how to unlock it
  • You want to become a leaner, more agile company, maintaining sales while cutting the right costs and optimizing flow as an ongoing part of daily work.
  • You want to deliver exceptional customer experiences but you’re not certain what capabilities or behaviors are required, or what impact this will have on the bottom line
  • You want to understand how you can make the most out of digital, social, mobile and near real-time approaches to support existing ways of working, but don’t know where to start.

Our customers don’t really value how many features they get for their money, they value their ability to get their larger system of jobs done better than their competitors.

Many companies are saying they want to be more customer-centric, yet even if they find the path to cultural and organizational transformation, what enabling tools are available to support this? Does CRM software need to support flatter organizations that don’t make decisions at the top, or should it continue to facilitate solution design at the top and push these solutions down for knowledge workers to execute? Does CRM become more than simply an execution mechanism or does it allow organizations to design themselves at the point of customer contact and adapt in real-time?

I believe the answer is yes!

The challenge, of course, is taking product-centric vendor business models on a customer-centric journey so they can see what their customers are trying to accomplish, and what their products could do to support them. What’s good for their customer is good for them; and more and more companies are trying to figure out this customer-centricity thing; while few (if any) CRM or sCRM products support those efforts in a meaningful way.

The Road to Re-inventing CRM

I believe the best story you can tell is your own. In the case of CRM, companies that develop these solutions/applications/platforms have the same basic needs as any other company. This isn’t the case with all products and services, which makes the CRM industry fairly unique. So, the next generation(s) of CRM vendors will hopefully incorporate a different kind of thinking into their own organizations and leverage that experience into their portfolio of products and services. They will find ways to sustain profitable growth in their core market, successfully enter related markets, and possibly create new breakthrough platforms and markets as well.  The following list outlines areas I hope to see change take place:

  1. The Artificial Barrier between front and back office – Customer management and support happens across the organization, not just in the front office. Applications and platforms supporting silos make it difficult to get jobs done when users must juggle multiple interfaces and cannot contextually collaborate across the organization and/or with customers. We also need to break down the barrier between our internal process (delivering CRM) and our customers process (consuming CRM) in order to better create value with them and not simply for them.
  2. The Job CRM is really hired to do – Companies want to sustain growth, and do it profitably but struggle to do so. The customer and environment has changed and old solutions, practices and experiences don’t fit (and will continually be under pressure). CRM will have to do much more than centralize opportunity data and automate one-size-fits-all marketing campaigns. CRM should strive to help its customers achieve their desired outcomes (including our customers’ customers). The Front-End-of-CRM offers many promises and a new, broader and disruptive definition of the CRM market. Maybe there’s a hidden back end as well. There are certainly many gaps in the middle.
  3. CRM À la Carte – An integrated customer experience does not have to mean an integrated software interface. Watch knowledge workers and you will see them juggling many disconnected tools just to get a simple job done.  While maintaining integrated rules, data and workflow at its core, user interfaces will be designed to get specific jobs done, regardless of where the data resides, and do so within the proper context. A one-size-fits-all CRM application is no longer a proper context. Throwing one-size-fits-all accounting and communication systems into the mix just makes the problem worse. Basically, one-size-fits-none.
  4. Continuously monitor what CRM customers value – Customers do not value your product; regardless of whether they are purchasing agents, the C-Suite, end users, influencers, channel partners or your internal employees. They value solutions that help them get jobs done in specific situations and they will measure the success or failure to that end. Your job is to learn how they measure it in each customer group. Understanding these measures will be a key building block to your competitive advantage. An innovation framework such as this is also something you can share with your customers.
  5. Building stronger internal CRM capabilities and productizing them – While you may not use your own software tools, the capabilities you develop to compete should be reflected upon and productized where possible (this could be disruptive to related industries). If they cannot easily be productized today, services should be bundled with your products to ensure the desired outcomes of your customers are achieved. This could be the basis of a multi-sided platform (and not just an app store). Imagine bringing a good enough productized platform making niche management consulting services available to markets that can’t, or won’t invest in consulting; and also providing access to affordable consulting only where gaps exist (for consumers and consultants). Strategy design could one day be tied directly into execution, measurement and reflection if it were all part of an integral platform (a larger system made up of interdependent sub-systems, processes, methods and measures).
  6. All business models can be disrupted, even yours – Business models have always been under attack. However, in the experience economy, and with technology changing so rapidly, it has become a required capability to understand where future value will exist, even at the expense of slowly disrupting the business that got you here over the past 20 years. CRM vendors (existing or new) that embrace this will remain relevant; just look at how Toyota has handled this.

While many in the CRM industry are still betting that the cloud as the key disruptive force, this disruption actually started over 10 years ago; we just ignored it then as incumbents almost always do. It’s nothing new, now. The cloud doesn’t solve business problems, although it might solve some IT problems.

For the vendors it provides a platform for designing and delivering new solutions to existing problems that are served unsatisfactorily. More importantly, it provides a platform for new business models; of which we have seen few. Unfortunately, what we tend to see from incumbents is more of the same, just on the cloud. So, what’s next?  

The fundamental challenges to our customers (businesses) have not changed. A business still has the same job(s) to get done year after year; regardless of new technology. The forces impacting our businesses are what change over time, and our customers evaluate how well we help them get their jobs done through their desired business outcomes (their needs).

Our customers don’t really value how many features they get for their money, they value their ability to get their larger system of jobs done better than their competitors. The challenge we face as an industry is learning how to measure their desired outcomes and use them to find competitive opportunities, and new ways to define our market. That would also be a nice capability to pass on to our customers, as well.

So, that’s the conversation I would like to have. How about you?

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  • CRM

    Would it be asking too much to expect that acronyms used in the title and throughout an article be defined somewhere in the first paragraph?
    Yes, I could have left the article to go googled it, but I wasn't all that interested to begin with.
    cHarley1200
    • I agree

      So I assume they are only interested in a specific knowledgable readership for this article.
      rfoto
  • Brilliant

    One of the best posts I've read in a long time (and funny enough, the others were from this column as well!). Shines light on what is to come, and will re-read later to draw out tasks on how my team can improve its own internal CRM efforts and our CRM developments for an external client base.

    Thank you!
    Brad Patterson
    • Thanks

      Thanks for the kind words Brad.

      MikeB
      Michael Boysen
  • CRM Customers have some skin in this game...

    Agreed. Okay! Now that you know I am in violent agreement with your position and your vision of what *should* come next, let's talk about the responsibility of the [CRM] Customer.

    Business - in my experience - many times prefers to relate CRM to a means-to-an-end tool that brings them either (untapped) revenue or (improved) margin. Even at times when they put the shiny "we've got to really connect with our customer" wrapper on the project / program. Culture within the [CRM] Customer enterprise, and reluctance to invest in the "soft costs" of the program, has tremendous impact on the down-stream success of the program. The cost to stand up the software is seen as non-negotiable. However, training, business process re-engineering, a deep commitment to understanding how the [CRM] Customer's customers really think and feel about the company and competitors, and using this vital information to adjust course is many times undervalued by decision-makers.

    What keeps me up at night? How to get the [CRM] Customer to buy into the idea that their savvy, continually-connected customer demands - deserves - a better experience. At every point of the transactional wheel. And that delivering that experience takes a much deeper commitment than a software license / subscription on the part of the enterprise.

    Thanks for getting my day off to a terrific start with this post!
    CRMjen
  • Paul and Mike, I couldn't agree more...

    I've been around CRM systems for many, many years, both as a user and as an integrator. I've seen everything from small single seat ACT! systems to behemoth custom systems with thousands of users. What we saw early on in CRM was that the technology drove process innovation. Companies had to rethink the way they did sales to accommodate the new technology. Not unlike what SAP did for ERP.

    And to some extent, we are seeing some of that today but not on the scale we need to. For example, we all know that social media is now the preferred method of communication for "some" demographics. Systems have incorporated these types of features to help drive that change in process. But it is hard to point to many more process innovations brought on by modern CRM. Why? For the reasons you mention in the article. Most of the focus and ROI for a CRM hinges on "selling more product". But there are shining examples of how CRM can truly be disruptive. But it is typically not driven by sales, but some other force.

    For example, a couple of years ago I was involved in bringing a new CRM technology to market for the pharmaceutical industry. One of the driving forces behind this was some new and some existing regulations behind tracking the "samples" left with doctors by an outbound sales force as well as new regulations around how much could be spent with physicians on certain marketing activities like lunches, etc.. There were also process issues that were forcing change in the way pharmaceuticals marketed and sold drugs. Doctors were allowing less and less time for "demos" and visits and were instead relying more and more on peer recommendations and discussions online.

    This all went in to the design of the system. There was no "one size fits all" in this scenario. In fact, many of the processes were changing and the system had to be flexible enough to support those changes as well as process changes due to continued regulatory review and change. In the end, the system supported the needs of the sales reps by providing them with real time tools to help them dynamically plan their day in addition to the standard "client" information they needed. It did this by integrating with both prescription reporting technologies as well as social media to help determine who in their territory was an influencer and who was influenced by who. It also let the sales rep and the company fine tune marketing department campaigns to better target time and money with those physicians who were the most influential and who needed the information, again based on an influence matrix and prescription feedback for that physician. The system was wildly successful.

    Recently I have begun using those same techniques to design and develop systems for the real estate industry and for the manufactures rep industry. Not everyone can afford to have a custom system designed and built. But what we can do is approach implementationentation with as the article states a much broader process approach.

    Thanks again for a great article.
    barrettp
    • Customers need a new leader

      Re-educating customers, especially in the middle-markets, will not take place unless the vendors play a role. To date, their role has been to sell more features than their competitors. That clearly has not helped many customers. But they keep seeking that next feature, don't they?
      Michael Boysen
    • Whoops!

      That last one was for CRMJen :)

      Pharma has always been that one vertical that was really specific about what they needed and seemed to spend the $$'s to get it. Even then, I would like to look upstream a bit. There is plenty that could change in the execution side, as you've discovered. What can we do before things are handed over to sales and marketing in the first place?
      Michael Boysen
  • "Help companies learn from the customer"

    Seldom do companies listen to their customers. CRM is meaningless unless companies using CRM packages/tools/solutions actually listen to their customers... If they did listen, then having and collecting all this information might be beneficial!

    “Companies don’t want CRM software, they want to sell more.”

    CRM software might help those companies push crappy products out into the market (like existing companies already using CRM do).

    CRM might help improve a crap product or service by making it better (albeit based on a crap product), but only if they listen to their customers/end users.

    In an ideal world, companies would make excellent, good quality products and services that people want and then CRM would then be less relevant :)

    P.S. Whatever happed to good old customer feedback, a letter, email or phone call?!?!? You don't need a CRM solution to engage with your customer - just talk to them for once, I'm sure they would appreciate it more!!!
    airbiscuity
    • Is Listening the answer?

      I don't want to get in a VOC debate here, but it's obvious to me that customers don't articulate their needs in a consistent way. Therefore, I'm proposing what many others have proposed (I had to learn to think this way from somewhere) that customer needs are best expressed through how well they achieve desired outcomes when performing a job. Typically, they want to tell us they need a button over here and a form over there. The conversation simply has to change with our customers before they call you for a software quote.
      Michael Boysen
  • sCXM

    Wow! A lot of words to communicate Social Collaboration Experience Management.

    CRM vendor managers won't "get it" unless they spend meaningful time with front-line workers who need a usable application to perform actions that are adaptive and predictive to create customer experiences worthy enough to be shared with an audience whom in turn share with their audiences. Rule #1: Get out of the building!

    So, since there isn't a sCXM solution I'm left to develop it myself.

    Lastly, businesses don't fail, business models fail.

    Great article Mike!
    kcarroll04
  • One-size fits none

    This is a great article. We've been building an application that sits on top of another CRM and have been taking feedback and requests from customers for some time. The feedback is normally focused on two areas: sales people wanting to get jobs done (we call them next steps) and management wanting to produce reports (essentially management jobs). To focus on helping customers to get things done is our strategy.

    Conversely, I've also seen a lot of requests which are requests that just add to the feature set or improve slightly on it. That's where I think you are right that customers get stuck in the systems that they know. As a developer, it's hard to turn these types of requests down because the customer seems hung up on them. I think that's why so many CRMs have become bloated and overly complex. One size fits none is absolutely on the money!
    buildtracks