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@ye Who cares if the startup time is significant or negligible? The fact that a computer comes with 51 crapware programs pre installed (I'm assuming most people will find PowerDVD and Skype (but not the toolbar) useful ) should be enough scream bloody hell. There is ZERO reason to have the applications pre-installed. The user should be asked if they want it or not, and only after user approval, should they be installed.
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