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Fiasco of the denials
richardw66 Updated - 3rd Dec 2009
just another global warning fiasco to jerk us around

Did you really want to make such an ignorant post trying to sound
cool and hip? have you just read about the stolen emails and thought
you were up to the minute? Or do you want to debunk something
damaging to people you know?

I've seen lots of arguments against global warming, they have all
turned out to be lies.

There's 30 years of research into global warming and a general consensus by
scientists that it is happening.

There are some people who want it to be disproved and a lot of vested
interests paying people to claim it isn't happening.

The whole thing is somewhat like the cigarettes causing cancer debate, with
the cigarette companies trying to deny the research they knew was true.
Funny you should mention them together as if the global warming science is
false?

There was also the same lies and denials over the hole in the ozone layer -
see the latest NASA images.

See Mythbusters for the simplest demonstration of how CO2 global
warming works.

If you can't follow that you shouldn't be near a keyboard.

Coughs or something but cancer, probably would have gotten it
anyway


No - it's really dangerous

In this country there's quite a bit of evidence and some successful
legal cases.

What makes you think that the smoke from the unfiltered end of a
cigarette would be less harmful than the smoke from the filtered end?
That's just illogical.

But you seem to be the sort of person who believes the corporate spin
designed to avoid companies being held responsible for pollution.

To summarise in case you don't get it:
CO2 increase in the atmosphere causes the atmosphere to hold more
heat in. This is easy to test scientifically.

Small particles such as smoke from cigarettes, and those from diesel
vehicles etc are bad for your respiratory system. This is true if you are
the smoker or just near enough to get some of those particles into your
airways.

In fact some substances that are not toxic or carcinogenic in liquid form
become toxic or carcinogenic in particulate form, and the smaller the
particle the more likely this is to be. The change in chemical nature of
substance when it is turned into a particulate is a growing research area.
This sort of change in chemistry was even responsible for an airliner
crashing many years ago, when the non-flammable hydraulic fluid got
atomised and caught alight.

Burning many compounds including those in tobacco creates
carcinogens that can be absorbed by the lungs. These carcinogens go
out both ends of a cigarette, although some, such as tar get reduced by the
filter at the smoker's end. The second hand smoker doesn't get the
benefit of the filter.

Nicotine is a carcinogen that is produced from both ends, and also
coats the room, the computers, the furniture and the lungs of the
other people in the room. Along with that nicotine are many
compunds of which quite a few are also carcinogenic, but I will
concentrate on Nicotine since I know a bit more about it.

Nicotine is a DNA splitter. If nicotine happens to interact with a long
DNA strand it will split it causing a replication error. If the replication
error does not get corrected and is in a bad place then a cancer cell
will be created, which may then replicate. So if you get nicotine into
your body you are now in a lottery which may result in cancer. The
more nicotine you absorb, the more cancer lottery tickets you have.

The reason some people can smoke and die from other things first is that
they have not yet won that cancer lottery, or they have won but the cancer
they have won is not dangerous enough, or is not grown enough.

So you may know of many people who have smoked all their lives and not
got cancer and thought this was some kind of scientific disproof, but it is
just probability. Same goes for second hand smoke, I have a high exposure
and so far no cancer that I know of, but that doesn't mean that I am safe,
nor does it mean that the next exposure to smoke won't be the 'lucky
winning entry'.

Nicotine absorbed by the skin is less risky as you don't get it directly
into the lungs where it is most effective at getting at your DNA.

Nicotine absorbed by the skin is still effective in other ways, which is why
Nicotine patches are replacements for cigarettes.

The oily substance left on everything around the smoker, including
the computer that the service tech is handling, contains not only
nicotine but many of those other compounds that are carcinogenic.
These are also absorbed by the skin. The oily substance is also passed
from the fingers to other places, which in most cases includes the
mouth, where it can cause mouth cancer. and also will get passed to
the gut where more of it will get absorbed.

Tobacco is not just carcinogenic when burned, there are carcinogens
in it (such as nicotine) that will cause cancer if chewed. When chewing
tobacco was common there were many people who lost their jaws to
mouth cancer.

Chewing does not release the particles as a fine dust that spreads
though, so second hand chewing cancer was not common.

Burning something is an ideal way to release a fine mist of particles
and if you were turning tobacco into a weapon and you needed a way
to distribute it then you would burn it.

Which is what smokers do they distribute in a fairly ideal way a high
quantity of the tobacco poison to the people around them by burning
it, producing a fine particulate cloud that spreads easily to be inhaled
by the people around them.

And the minimum number of those particles required to cause cancer?
1

The chances are low with one, but each one after that increases the
probability.

So next time you are near a smoker just ask yourself, Are you feeling lucky?

Wanna buy a glacier? They're going cheap.
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