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I help but think either Verizon leaks these "reports" to stop people from hopping over to AT&T.
Verizon already offers superior devices.
Having used both, Droid Incredible makes the iPhone look silly.
Having used both, Droid Incredible makes the iPhone look silly.
@Tim Patterson Dude do you do ANYTHING other than troll on these boards? Seriously I've seen nothing from you that was not Anti-Apple...
@Tim Patterson And 600,000 people last Tuesady definitely agree with your comment. 
How many anti-Droid or anti AT&T comments have you made on other sites lately? Why do you even read these blogs? Unless you work for Verizon or own a butt-load of stock?
How many anti-Droid or anti AT&T comments have you made on other sites lately? Why do you even read these blogs? Unless you work for Verizon or own a butt-load of stock?
@Tim Patterson
you posted on the wrong page dude.. Troll.com is completely different domain!..
you posted on the wrong page dude.. Troll.com is completely different domain!..
You're right, Verizon-iPhone stories ARE a dime a dozen. If you are ATT, why would you NOT allow for early upgrades?
The early upgrades are just a myth. I stood in line yesterday to pre-order only to be told that I could pre-order for $400 now or wait until my regular upgrade in Feb 2011. If Verizon picks up the iPhone, I will be there in a heartbeat as I've always felt they gave better service and customer service. I wanted an iPhone (current 3g version) and the only way to get it was to go to AT&T. I think the competition would be good for them and might give them reason to improve customer service.
So Jobs claim of giving upgrades to current customers doesn't always pan out.
So Jobs claim of giving upgrades to current customers doesn't always pan out.
@eichlinc@... I could be wrong, but I do believe that eligibility statement also tells you what the upgrade would cost, does it not?
I'm eligible to upgrade; I know because I checked. I'm choosing to wait simply because my wife wants my 3G when we pick up the iPhone 4.
I'm eligible to upgrade; I know because I checked. I'm choosing to wait simply because my wife wants my 3G when we pick up the iPhone 4.
@eichlinc@...
Sorry - both my wife and I have had a 3GS less than a year and we both are eligible for the 199/299 upgrade on the i4 and the complete discount on any other phone.
and @vulpine is right - if you check your eligibility online it will tell you. If you check via phone (call>text) it will not.
Sorry - both my wife and I have had a 3GS less than a year and we both are eligible for the 199/299 upgrade on the i4 and the complete discount on any other phone.
and @vulpine is right - if you check your eligibility online it will tell you. If you check via phone (call>text) it will not.
@eichlinc@...
The early upgrade is meant for contracts due anytime *this* year, not the next one.
Jobs' claim was not that of "giving upgrades to current customers", but rather "giving upgrades to current customers whose contracts end in 2010", which apparently is not your case.
The early upgrade is meant for contracts due anytime *this* year, not the next one.
Jobs' claim was not that of "giving upgrades to current customers", but rather "giving upgrades to current customers whose contracts end in 2010", which apparently is not your case.
@eichlinc@... Verizon customer service is HORRIBLE!!! I am using a cheap samsumg flip phone for work and it drops everytime i use the piece of cr@p. These anti-ATT and Apple posts are so old and getting stale. I have an iphone and use it for everything and have never dropped a call and have never had any issues with ATT. I had signal problems before i got the iphone and they took care of me by reducing my bill for several months until the probelm was fixed. When I had Verizon the lines at the store were a joke as well as the people working there. I sat there for 45 minutes before anyone helped me and then they wanted to get me in and otu as fast as possible....reminds me of CIGNA service! I will never use Verizon!
A good way to get people to upgrade early, is to give the impression that it will move over to a competing network?
I don't think anyone would be willing to wait 6 months or whatever on the rumor of it being available on Verizon, they want a smart phone now, but for those already invested in iPhones, the opportunity is there for you to take advantage of the upgrade offer: If it doesn't pan out, and Verizon doesn't get the iPhone, no harm to the upgraded AT&T iPhone buyer.
I don't think anyone would be willing to wait 6 months or whatever on the rumor of it being available on Verizon, they want a smart phone now, but for those already invested in iPhones, the opportunity is there for you to take advantage of the upgrade offer: If it doesn't pan out, and Verizon doesn't get the iPhone, no harm to the upgraded AT&T iPhone buyer.
@John Zern
if they did... then they blew it!
if they did... then they blew it!
I used Verizon from my first cell till I got my iPhone two years ago. For those who think Apple is controlling, they should use Verizon. Admittedly, I didn't have a 'smart phone' but the way Verizon controls their ring tones, games, et al makes Steve look like a libertarian. The stuff you can get on an iOS device is legion, and Apple only takes a 'taste'. Verizon wants it all. I don't think Apple's business model will fly at Verizon. Besides, why would Apple create a crippled product just to tap Verizon's customers when they (Apple) can't make iPhones fast enough to fill AT&Ts customers? Verizon is losing market share, largely due to the iPhone. Regardless of how fast they are replacing WinMo with Android, they just don't get Apple's business model, which has become a juggernaught. As for 4G being an attraction, I read in these very pages where due to extensive tuning, etc. AT&T's 3G is faster than TMobile's 4G. AT&T isn't perfect by any stretch, but I'll take my experience with them over my experience with the big V any day.
@dheady@...
That's how Verizon USED to be. I know. I HATED the dumbphone UI's and the stupid Vcast. But, Cingular after their acquisition of AT&T made several huge mistakes in terms of serving me (their customer) so I went to Verizon. I end up paying a little bit more each month, but I get much better service.
Also, Verizon is no longer like that in regards to their smartphones. It all started changing back when they announced the partnership with Google (prior to the Android phones). So currently, Verizon offers the MOST OPEN smartphones of any carrier in the US.
Here's a link to the partnership announcement:
http://www.internetnews.com/mobility/article.php/3842486/Verizon-Google-Partner-Up-on-Android.htm
A couple more points: Verizon isn't losing marketshare to iPhone. Verizon has the most subscribers of any US carrier. Also, Android is gaining marketshare, not losing it (iPhone's not losing it either). Regarding 4G: I've read that TMobile isn't true 4G to begin with... But even with theoretical speeds being faster for AT&T, under real world conditions TMobile is supposed to be faster. I'm not sure how true of false these statements are but why are we even talking about TMobile? Verizon's 4G is LTE, TMobile is something else entirely...
But I can guarantee you LTE has much more potential than AT&T's current 3G network, that's for sure. So it could very well be an attraction. iPhone (or any phone for that matter) or true 4G? Anyone would say 'Yes.'
That's how Verizon USED to be. I know. I HATED the dumbphone UI's and the stupid Vcast. But, Cingular after their acquisition of AT&T made several huge mistakes in terms of serving me (their customer) so I went to Verizon. I end up paying a little bit more each month, but I get much better service.
Also, Verizon is no longer like that in regards to their smartphones. It all started changing back when they announced the partnership with Google (prior to the Android phones). So currently, Verizon offers the MOST OPEN smartphones of any carrier in the US.
Here's a link to the partnership announcement:
http://www.internetnews.com/mobility/article.php/3842486/Verizon-Google-Partner-Up-on-Android.htm
A couple more points: Verizon isn't losing marketshare to iPhone. Verizon has the most subscribers of any US carrier. Also, Android is gaining marketshare, not losing it (iPhone's not losing it either). Regarding 4G: I've read that TMobile isn't true 4G to begin with... But even with theoretical speeds being faster for AT&T, under real world conditions TMobile is supposed to be faster. I'm not sure how true of false these statements are but why are we even talking about TMobile? Verizon's 4G is LTE, TMobile is something else entirely...
But I can guarantee you LTE has much more potential than AT&T's current 3G network, that's for sure. So it could very well be an attraction. iPhone (or any phone for that matter) or true 4G? Anyone would say 'Yes.'
Been on Verizon for years; they were controlling with feature phones, but much less with smartphones.
I've had a Motorola Droid since they first came out and have had no limitations from Verizon. I haven't had crapware forced on me by Verizon either. The only "extras" I've seen are:
1) Verizon logo on front bezel of Droid.
2) A top-level tab in the Android Market labeled "Verizon" that accompanies the Apps and Games tabs. When you click it you get a page called VCast Apps which includes featured apps Verizon is pushing - like Skype mobile(!), Twitter. and many others.
As far as I can tell, Verizon hasn't put it's (formerly) grubby fingers on the OS and the phone.
By default, Android only loads apps from the Android market, but you can *choose* to load apps from other sources (via a checkbox in the Settings control panel).
If Verizon permits the use of Android 2.2's wifi hot-spot functionality without extra charges, then they're heroes! Note that I still have an unlimited data plan ($34.95/month because it supports enterprise connectivity to Exchange, etc.).
I've had a Motorola Droid since they first came out and have had no limitations from Verizon. I haven't had crapware forced on me by Verizon either. The only "extras" I've seen are:
1) Verizon logo on front bezel of Droid.
2) A top-level tab in the Android Market labeled "Verizon" that accompanies the Apps and Games tabs. When you click it you get a page called VCast Apps which includes featured apps Verizon is pushing - like Skype mobile(!), Twitter. and many others.
As far as I can tell, Verizon hasn't put it's (formerly) grubby fingers on the OS and the phone.
By default, Android only loads apps from the Android market, but you can *choose* to load apps from other sources (via a checkbox in the Settings control panel).
If Verizon permits the use of Android 2.2's wifi hot-spot functionality without extra charges, then they're heroes! Note that I still have an unlimited data plan ($34.95/month because it supports enterprise connectivity to Exchange, etc.).
iphone 4 then I will believe it, otherwise it is all guess work.
@heady:
You know, I might have agreed wih you before I got my Mtotrola Droid. Verizon has not so much as hinted that I have to get ring tones, backgrounds, games or anything else from them, The Market application on the Droid lets you get things from any vendor, including but by no means limited to Verizon. So I have downloaded a bunch of smartphone apps, and not a one has come from Verizon. And BTW, I haven't found one I needed to pay for either.
Now when I had a conventional dumb phone from Verizon, things were really different as you correctly pointed out. Verizon wanted to control everything and made it appear that you could only get things like ring tones from them. I say made it appear, becasue any nerd worth his nerdyness, could figure out how to use a memory card (assuming the phone was so equipped) and / or a cable to his/her computer and using freeware load the proper format audio and graphics files to the phone putting ringtones on and backgrounds for free or from another source than Verizon. I did this frequently when I had a Verizon dumbphone.
But here is where I don't agree with you. Nobody can be as controlling as Apple. I love the human interface of the iPhone, but I won't be enslaved by Steve Jobs. The main reason that the iPhone hasn;t gone to other cariiers might be because of the AT&T contract, but it might also be that Steve-O doesn't want to open his toy up to a carrier that wants to make it more like a Droid, which on Verizon is pretty much open for users to do whatever they want.
The reasons to go with Verizon are: 1) Get a nice open Droid of some kind, 2) Get anything that is not a piece fo fruit and 3) Get the nice bandwith advantages of staying away from AT&T.
You know, I might have agreed wih you before I got my Mtotrola Droid. Verizon has not so much as hinted that I have to get ring tones, backgrounds, games or anything else from them, The Market application on the Droid lets you get things from any vendor, including but by no means limited to Verizon. So I have downloaded a bunch of smartphone apps, and not a one has come from Verizon. And BTW, I haven't found one I needed to pay for either.
Now when I had a conventional dumb phone from Verizon, things were really different as you correctly pointed out. Verizon wanted to control everything and made it appear that you could only get things like ring tones from them. I say made it appear, becasue any nerd worth his nerdyness, could figure out how to use a memory card (assuming the phone was so equipped) and / or a cable to his/her computer and using freeware load the proper format audio and graphics files to the phone putting ringtones on and backgrounds for free or from another source than Verizon. I did this frequently when I had a Verizon dumbphone.
But here is where I don't agree with you. Nobody can be as controlling as Apple. I love the human interface of the iPhone, but I won't be enslaved by Steve Jobs. The main reason that the iPhone hasn;t gone to other cariiers might be because of the AT&T contract, but it might also be that Steve-O doesn't want to open his toy up to a carrier that wants to make it more like a Droid, which on Verizon is pretty much open for users to do whatever they want.
The reasons to go with Verizon are: 1) Get a nice open Droid of some kind, 2) Get anything that is not a piece fo fruit and 3) Get the nice bandwith advantages of staying away from AT&T.
This article does make sense. The reasons I?m hoping to get an iPhone 4 soon anyway are:
* the trade-in deal from Radio Shack looks interesting. Less cash out now
* my current iPhone 3G, two gens old, is now too slow. Too slow to wait for 1st quarter ?11
* the AT&T service, where I am, usually isn?t that bad
* if it was, when/if hordes of iPhone users switch to Verizon, that could lighten up the AT&T load where it is bad
* the trade-in deal from Radio Shack looks interesting. Less cash out now
* my current iPhone 3G, two gens old, is now too slow. Too slow to wait for 1st quarter ?11
* the AT&T service, where I am, usually isn?t that bad
* if it was, when/if hordes of iPhone users switch to Verizon, that could lighten up the AT&T load where it is bad
I'm quoting that from the Engadget show and they are quite right on that.
Tip for the editor though: You mentioned the new Moto Droid. Don't buy the Droid 2, it's a pretty pathetic upgrade to the regular moto droid (which I have and love at 1.2 Ghz :D). The other new phones Moto will be releasing are a good option though.
Tip for the editor though: You mentioned the new Moto Droid. Don't buy the Droid 2, it's a pretty pathetic upgrade to the regular moto droid (which I have and love at 1.2 Ghz :D). The other new phones Moto will be releasing are a good option though.
Are you nuts? I say buy now AND buy later too! ATT works well where I live, but I would definitely pay to break a contract with ATT for the latest iPhone on any network, assuming LTE or 4G was part of the deal.
I hope that the Verison iPhone, whenever it appears, has full GSM capabilities.
I dropped Verizon because their CDMA phones do not function outside of the US (and a very few limited locations), and a limited selection of GSM phones. I've traveled extensively with an iPhone and used ATT's international phone and data packages. Yes, it's expensive but the phone and internet connections have worked in Europe & Asia, including Japan and Korea. And WiFi is usually available.
I dropped Verizon because their CDMA phones do not function outside of the US (and a very few limited locations), and a limited selection of GSM phones. I've traveled extensively with an iPhone and used ATT's international phone and data packages. Yes, it's expensive but the phone and internet connections have worked in Europe & Asia, including Japan and Korea. And WiFi is usually available.
I would love to see an iPhone available for VZW - for those folks who love VZW and are interested in an iPhone... And to see how it would do sales wise against the Incredible, Droid, and other Android-based devices that VZW has... AT&T only has the Backflip which really underwhelmed me. I also think the iPhone would do quite well with VZW - as long as they don't cripple it like they do with their feature phones.
I'll actually believe that there is a VZW iPhone when there is an announcement from both Apple and VZW about it - until then it is still nothing more than an unconfirmed rumor and idle speculation.
I'll actually believe that there is a VZW iPhone when there is an announcement from both Apple and VZW about it - until then it is still nothing more than an unconfirmed rumor and idle speculation.
I got my first personal cellphone (a Nokia feature phone without camera, with T-Mobile) in 2002 when I left a job that provided me with a work phone (a Nextel Motorola push-to-talk unit). I got my next phone (a Motorola quad-band feature phone with camera, again with T-Mobile) in 2005 when I knew I would be taking a trip to China. When that phone's battery finally crapped out in 2009 (would not hold a charge for longer than 6 hours, or more than 15 minutes talk time) I made the jump with my wife to iPhone 3GSes and AT&T. Aside from some obvious places (like tunnels and the bowels of NY Penn Station) I've been quite satisfied with the experience. My wife downloads a half-dozen apps a week, most of them free, and we're happy as clams texting each other daily while at work.
I simply do not understand those people who simply have to get the "latest and greatest" new phone every couple of months. Whatever you get, will be obsolete by the time you get comfortable with it. But if you want to be out on the bleeding edge, whining about everything not being perfect seems childish to me. I have used bleeding edge products before in work capacities, and knew that I had to live with their limitations until the kinks got worked out. But my preference for personal use is to buy fully-baked tech, so I don't have to do at home what I do at work (which is fix broken-down tech for my school). So I'm definitely not going to get an iPhone 4 for at least two reasons: my contract lasts another year, and the new features on the phone (video calling chief among them) won't be useful to me (and may be buggy in first use) until many more of my friends have capable phones, and until the 3G networks have been built out enough to handle the load. So that leads me to believe that my wife and I will get new phones in 2012. Plenty of time for new features and applications to be introduced and mature, so the purchase/upgrade will increase our value proposition.
As for Android phones, I have yet to see a phone actually used by one of my friends that does not have stability issues, something I don't have with my iPhone. Until the platform is made much more stable and user-friendly, I don't see my wife standing for it. This may happen in two years, but from what I know of the Android market (very little quality control of apps from a stability standpoint masquerading as "openness") I doubt this will happen. We haven't had this problem with our iPhones- while some of the apps we've gotten were inane, none of them crashed our phones.
I simply do not understand those people who simply have to get the "latest and greatest" new phone every couple of months. Whatever you get, will be obsolete by the time you get comfortable with it. But if you want to be out on the bleeding edge, whining about everything not being perfect seems childish to me. I have used bleeding edge products before in work capacities, and knew that I had to live with their limitations until the kinks got worked out. But my preference for personal use is to buy fully-baked tech, so I don't have to do at home what I do at work (which is fix broken-down tech for my school). So I'm definitely not going to get an iPhone 4 for at least two reasons: my contract lasts another year, and the new features on the phone (video calling chief among them) won't be useful to me (and may be buggy in first use) until many more of my friends have capable phones, and until the 3G networks have been built out enough to handle the load. So that leads me to believe that my wife and I will get new phones in 2012. Plenty of time for new features and applications to be introduced and mature, so the purchase/upgrade will increase our value proposition.
As for Android phones, I have yet to see a phone actually used by one of my friends that does not have stability issues, something I don't have with my iPhone. Until the platform is made much more stable and user-friendly, I don't see my wife standing for it. This may happen in two years, but from what I know of the Android market (very little quality control of apps from a stability standpoint masquerading as "openness") I doubt this will happen. We haven't had this problem with our iPhones- while some of the apps we've gotten were inane, none of them crashed our phones.
@ssaha I also tend to use my cell phones for quite some time. I also like GSM phones over CDMA phones but if you don't travel much it really doesn't matter that much. I do like going down to Mexico and just buying a SIM card when I get there and pop it in my phone.
I don't understand why people need that latest greatest phone either, but I do understand why they do it. The cell phone companies just make it too easy to upgrade and people feel like they are getting a "deal" when they subsidize a phone. This is the worst way to buy a phone that I have ever seen. If you just buy your phone outright and use it for years like you would a new laptop or computer you would not be enticed to get a new phone every chance you get. If phones were not subsidized then we would be happy to use our nice new $500 smartphone for many more years than 2, and if the cell phone providers didn't sell phones at all then we wouldn't be paying $500 for a phone in the first place, it would be just like any other electronic item, it may start at a high price but there would be competition with new phones from lots of companies and that 6 month old phone would now cost $300. But since the cell providers control the sales of phones and we allow them too, as soon as a phone loses it's appeal, they quit selling it and move on to the next phone and you still have to have that 2 year contract. This "cash cow" for the cell providers is what makes them able to pay companies like Apple a ton of money to keep a phone exclusive and doesn't help the consumer or the phone manufacturer. It just limits our choices. If I want an iPhone I have to go to AT&T, I have to have a data plan, I have to have a 2 year contract and on top of all that if I want to switch before my contract is up I have to pay more than the phone was worth in the first place on top of the $80 a month that I have to pay. Now if that's not enough to turn people off just to get a subsidized phone I don't know what is. Thank God there is a company that gives people a choice of having or not having a contract, not having to have a data plan and being able to activate any phone I choose on their network, May not be the best service but it works for me, thanks T-Mobile!
Cheers.
I don't understand why people need that latest greatest phone either, but I do understand why they do it. The cell phone companies just make it too easy to upgrade and people feel like they are getting a "deal" when they subsidize a phone. This is the worst way to buy a phone that I have ever seen. If you just buy your phone outright and use it for years like you would a new laptop or computer you would not be enticed to get a new phone every chance you get. If phones were not subsidized then we would be happy to use our nice new $500 smartphone for many more years than 2, and if the cell phone providers didn't sell phones at all then we wouldn't be paying $500 for a phone in the first place, it would be just like any other electronic item, it may start at a high price but there would be competition with new phones from lots of companies and that 6 month old phone would now cost $300. But since the cell providers control the sales of phones and we allow them too, as soon as a phone loses it's appeal, they quit selling it and move on to the next phone and you still have to have that 2 year contract. This "cash cow" for the cell providers is what makes them able to pay companies like Apple a ton of money to keep a phone exclusive and doesn't help the consumer or the phone manufacturer. It just limits our choices. If I want an iPhone I have to go to AT&T, I have to have a data plan, I have to have a 2 year contract and on top of all that if I want to switch before my contract is up I have to pay more than the phone was worth in the first place on top of the $80 a month that I have to pay. Now if that's not enough to turn people off just to get a subsidized phone I don't know what is. Thank God there is a company that gives people a choice of having or not having a contract, not having to have a data plan and being able to activate any phone I choose on their network, May not be the best service but it works for me, thanks T-Mobile!
Cheers.
I really hope it's true. Then all of you whiners can clog Verizon and leave ATT alone. I was with Verizon and believe me, the grass isn't greener. I love ATT and will stay with them while the outdated technology that Verizon uses crumbles to the ground.
... shame on you. Trust me there will not be a twice; I'm getting my Verizon Droid in August and its going to be a 2 year ride regardless. Sorry Apple, you missed your shot at my $$ for this year. Better luck next time! >:(
we all stop writing until it actually happens. What a waste of breath. Speculation is annoying. We could all be waiting and talking forever...
Apple is too invested with AT&T to offer an option with Verizon. I just don't see this happening despite all of the insider info that seems to keep leaking out. I'll be at my local Apple Store next Thursday reading the news on my iPad while I wait to pick up my iPhone 4 while the rest of the Verizon hopefuls are waiting it out.
Two things make me think "not".
1. CDMA is dated technology and Verizon is moving into a different area. Why would Apple open a model for a dated and to be replaced network.
2. A good portion of the advertized functionality would not work on the Verizon network. Voice/Data at the same time in not an option there.
Then there is the 2012 lockin with ATT.
IMHO - this is another stock buffering rumor.
1. CDMA is dated technology and Verizon is moving into a different area. Why would Apple open a model for a dated and to be replaced network.
2. A good portion of the advertized functionality would not work on the Verizon network. Voice/Data at the same time in not an option there.
Then there is the 2012 lockin with ATT.
IMHO - this is another stock buffering rumor.
" I like the sounds of the latest Motorola Droid. I?m open to the iPhone on another network as well as the HTC Incredible. Hell, even the upcoming BlackBerry from Research in Motion could be a contender. And while I?m at it I may check out the latest Windows Phone 7 devices."
Now that sounds like a person that lives by published specs. Usability???? why??? My specs are better than your specs..:-)
Hey, use a phone that you are happy with. Over a million tried to get their hands on an early new iPhone 4. Maybe they are all deluded by the Jobs Reality Distortion Field.... and not by the "my specs are better than your specs" RDF. LOL
Just a thought here.
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Now that sounds like a person that lives by published specs. Usability???? why??? My specs are better than your specs..:-)
Hey, use a phone that you are happy with. Over a million tried to get their hands on an early new iPhone 4. Maybe they are all deluded by the Jobs Reality Distortion Field.... and not by the "my specs are better than your specs" RDF. LOL
Just a thought here.
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I guess the biggest issue between Apple and Verizon is where the heck that FUGLY Verizon Logo goes on the iPhone.. lol
Speaking of AT&T upping the ante by locking as many 2 year contracts as possible, they also hiked up the early termination fee, so leaving AT&T after buying an iPhone 4 is really, really going to be painful. And AT&T, once again, will have bought itself significant time to come up with the next set of must haves to commit to another 2 years. The engineering of all of this is so precise it really screams anti-competition, which feels like it is the real story here.
I am a recent Verizon to AT&T convert and while I had always been a loyal Verizon I have to say it was worth the jump for the Iphone. I am not a gadget guy, but I have to say I LOVE my Iphone. The ease of navigation, the apps oh and it's elegance and beauty! I could never own another phone.
The company is too predatory. There are a few companies that I don't want anything from regardless of how cool it may appear. Comcast, Sony, and Verizon come to mind.
the web on a Verizon network. You know, that big elephant in the room all the tech pundits pretend isn't there when they're busy trashing AT&T for crappy service.
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