Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

Summary: At the Gartner Symposium ITxpo in Orlando, Fla., Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer talks to analysts about Windows inside the enterprise as Apple continues to make a dent in market share with the introduction of new devices such as the iPad.

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Topics: Operating Systems, Apple, Hardware, Microsoft, Software, Windows

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  • Dent?? Dent???

    LOL..you've got Firefox on one side eating up the browser share...

    iPod on one side eating up the mp3 share

    iPhone/Droid/Blackberry eating up the Smart Phone share

    iPad eating up the tablet share...

    Ballmer is flat out in denial. He's going to be the ultimate death of Microsoft..all he keeps tooting is Windows, Windows, Windows....

    He should be beating the drum for mobility in the enterprise, and he's not doing that....

    He's the one screaming that horses are still a great way to get around while everyone else is blasting by him in a Porsche.
    cyberslammer2
    • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

      @cyberslammer2 and just what exactly is he supposed to be touting? Linux? Free BSD? he's the CEO of M$ and their flagship is windows, and with the release of WP7, (which IMHO, is junk) M$ is looking to move to the mobile enterprise market, and your comment about firefox, completely false, http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0 check the facts man, IE still has over 50% of the market, good grief I cant believe I am defending M$, but facts are facts, regardless of how good or bad a product they make, people still use it.
      nickdangerthirdi@...
      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

        @nickdangerthirdi@... Of course he's suppose to be touting Windows... but he's also supposed to be watching real trends and real numbers and making MS products better. Here, what I've seen is that he's in denial. And if he already knows everything, how is he going to learn anything new?
        IE controls half of the market because most people don't know there are alternatives, or don't want to bother installing them. Mac people are the same way with Safari. People still use it, and will still use it if it's spoon fed to them, until MS has been run into the ground, and people have to find alternatives. I don't think this is going to be very soon- but it will eventually happen.
        unclefixer@...
  • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

    @NonZeal0t

    Hardly. Windows is the most expensive from a TCO standpoint. Cheap to acquire, [b]EXPENSIVE[/b] to maintain. The Yugo of the OS arena. Always has been, always will be.
    itguy08
    • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

      @itguy08 are you implying that Mac's are cheaper to maintain? I beg to differ since you can only get parts through apple, the HW is up to 6 times more expensive, apparently you have only been an IT guy is 08, if thats what you honestly believe, and I dont normally agree with Nonzealot, but in this case he's right, windows is much simpler to maintain that Mac, and the fact that M$ releases patches on a monthly schedule as opposed to a quarterly schedule gives the system management guys a warm fuzzy too. and these are the reasons why apple will never take over the enterprise. and everyone who hates windows seems to forget that M$ doesnt control every aspect of a windows system, they dont own the HW, so you are able to purchase what you need instead of what apple thinks you need, and what kills me is now apples are basically running on the same HW as any PC, yet the prices are still outrageous.

      @Random_Walk then maybe she should learn to not do the things that screw it up, as for you PowerMac, Congrats, I had a friend who spend 110 bucks on a keyboard for her powerbook, and I spent more time working on it than I did any of my PC's, so your 1 story of good luck is hardly contradictory to my point.
      nickdangerthirdi@...
      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

        @nickdangerthirdi@... Wouldn't it be nice to combine cheap PC hardware with operating system as good as Apple's? That was free?
        james.vandamme
      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

        @nickdangerthirdi@... Mac is cheaper in terms of reliability, support and useful software that comes with every piece of hardware. Most Mac users can figure out what to do when trouble comes because the OS is smarter at its core.
        jeff.fostermedia@...
      • Get a clue nickdangerthirdi

        @nickdangerthirdi@... <br><br>The comparisons have been done already... Get over it doofus... You are spewing myths...<br><br>A Mac compared to its equal PC is about the same price (sometimes less).<br><br>And with the Mac you get the ilife suite as well as a much better OS.<br><br>Macs last longer and are much cheaper to maintain and own (the TCO studies have been done as well)<br><br>Also.. Apple doesn't release patches on a quarterly basis. They release them as needed and that is more often than quarterly. You know nothing about Macs... <br><br>Your friend spent 110.00 for a keyboard that production was halted on at least 5 years ago (there are not very many of those left that are not in use or used condition). Your friends powerbook is at least 5 years old and considering you have no experience with a powerbook, it's not suprising it took you awhile to work on it. Also, Apple only keeps parts for 7 years and then you have to get them through a third party.

        Also, I can replace any part in any powerbook in less than 40 minutes and that includes reassembly. I can replace the keyboard in less than 4 minutes... So I am left wondering... What was it that you had to do that took sooooooo much time? Perhaps unearthing your thumb from an orifice?
        i8thecat
      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

        @nickdangerthirdi@... <br><br>You are incorrect here. The Macs are cheaper to maintain, I have run operations running both systems and have found the Macs require significantly less support then comparable PC. They have a longer useful life span and are generally more reliable. This can be confirmed by Consumer reports surveys and testing. I have also found the Macs to be more user friendly allowing user to more easily solve issues without having to call our help desk. The Mac OS are also more logically laid out then Windows, I believe this is the fault of MS creating overly complicated OS in order to create a training and certification revenue. I will agree that Macs are around 40% (rough estimate) more expensive to buy and are far less upgradable but this is often compensated for by the longer life span and the ability of older Macs to effectively run newer OSX versions. It also goes with out saying that Apple is the leader in computer innovation and design.<br><br>An interesting point of comparison, I had a friend who ran IT operation for a University a number of years back. Their lab had equal numbers of Macs and PCs to support and he told me his support budget was 3 times more expensive for the PCs then the Macs. Also for the recorded I have been running PC shops for the last 15 years with only infrequent Mac use so I do consider my opinion pretty even side. Mac just makes a better mouse trap and if they didn't Windows would not have been copying it for the last 20 years.
        Kabcock
      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

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      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

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    • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

      @nickdangerthirdi: That's funny... I've had to repair my wife's Vaio about six times over the three years she's had it. My old dual G5 PowerMac has had to be repaired zero times.
      Random_Walk
      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

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    • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

      @nickdangerthirdi Only the upgrades are more expensive if you buy from Apple Store. Otherwise, they (the builds and componends) cost nearly the same, but they aren't built the same. This is why Apple products last, break down the least, are easy to carry and use, and win design awards. Jobs gave their scores a passing mention in the Back to the Mac keynote.
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  • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

    Last night I dreamed that I was Santy klauz and brung them new fangled things called toys to little girls and boys. Ride on! Ride on! Nothing worth watching here!
    eargasm
    • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

      @windozefreak

      And those toys were iPads and iPhones, right?

      I dreamed I was `San(i)ty Clause, and I too brought kids toys. They were computers which displayed `Ubuntu` on the boot splash screen, and somewhere in the distance I heard Ballmer screaming: "NOOOOOOOOOO"!!!!.
      fatman65535
      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

        @fatman65535 <br><br>"in the distance I heard Ballmer screaming: "NOOOOOOOOOO"!!!!."<br><br>Aaah. Zhe Children of zhe Night, vhat sweet music zhey make..."
        Jkirk3279
      • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

        @fatman65535 Remember Microsoft Bob and Windows ME, now those were toy OS's! Vista on the other hand was a more of a virus than a toy!
        jeff.fostermedia@...
  • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

    For ME at least, the key section of the Video clip was the confrontation of two diametrically opposed (and categorical) statements of "fact". Ballmer said Windows is "Gaining market share", the other guy said exactly the opposite. Clearly, one of them is misinformed. Yet nobody (else) here seems interested in saying which guy was correct, and which one was simply WRONG.<br>Wikipedia isn't much help, but <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/2010/08/02/operating-system-market-share-windows-7-climb-continues/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghacks.net/2010/08/02/operating-system-market-share-windows-7-climb-continues/</a> suggests that Windows is gaining.
    BigRonW
    • RE: Ballmer defends Windows as Apple gains

      @BigRonW because like with all statistics, you can make anything sound the way you want....
      nickdangerthirdi@...