I choose Apple products because of the good user experience. Having Flash apps would make my experience more frustrating as it does on my PC. If I wanted every junk app that could be had I would have bought an Android device or stuck to my PC. I applaud Apple for stuccoing up for their loyal customers and not just going after the unwashed masses to lazy to learn to appreciate the Apple way.
All Adobe has to do is output HTML 5 and they'll be allowed within the walls. They're just being stubborn about being standards compliant.
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@MikeFM output html 5? Do you even know what you are talking about? Flash is vector based apps with its own unique scripting language. You cant just say hey flash output html 5 lol. html 5 is a loose term describing a still not complete revision for html. html alone is not a programming language. Some of you people touting html 5 seem to think it alone is some new language that can replace vector based apps or streaming video. It cant. There are other pieces like canvas and codecs that come into play for that all to work with html 5 as well as javascript etc.
@MikeFM Every Corporate American Junk Food Web site that runs FLASH on their own site. Now has an App in Apple's market place, to replace their own web advertising. Consequently you have Apps for: http://www.wienerschnitzel.com/ etc... that the rest of us don't need, for crying out loud. Apple HOODWINKS you all into believing Steve Jobs is the modern day Wizard of Oz, by keeping the curtains closed when Apple manipulating and controlling every single one of you!!!
Everyone else on the web can view these sites, without being forced to call it App, while Apple uses them to pad their numbers they brag about ....for McD's, BurgerKing or whoever! Apple locks you all up in a Walled Garden Prison and HOODWINKS YOU ALL into believing you are somehow Elite. When in reality you are just another worker bee in their 1984 Commercial, wearing all the same uniforms, with exactly the same haircuts and exactly the same Apps and exactly the same phone. The only thing that's DIFFERENT about any of you is your iPhone SERIAL NUMBER stamped proudly on your foreheads!
While out here in the FREE OPEN WORLD we can still cut our hair different, use a physical keyboard if we want, choose the color, manufacturer, chip maker, chip speed, Buy or use FREE Web FLASH APPs if we want. Watching you Apple followers while you're forced to NOT to use FLASH or Not install certain programs that the Apple Party/Government deems are you shouldn't be able to. You're all ending up being a bunch of Stuffy ELITISTS, believing only what they tell you.
Apple equals "The Borgeoisification of the Web"! (marked by a concern for material interests and respectability and a tendency toward mediocrity).... but in reality you are only the common worker bees, enabling the true Borgeois to live like FAT CATS on Starkissd Tuna, while YOU are all struggling to keep up with the Jones!
Everyone else on the web can view these sites, without being forced to call it App, while Apple uses them to pad their numbers they brag about ....for McD's, BurgerKing or whoever! Apple locks you all up in a Walled Garden Prison and HOODWINKS YOU ALL into believing you are somehow Elite. When in reality you are just another worker bee in their 1984 Commercial, wearing all the same uniforms, with exactly the same haircuts and exactly the same Apps and exactly the same phone. The only thing that's DIFFERENT about any of you is your iPhone SERIAL NUMBER stamped proudly on your foreheads!
While out here in the FREE OPEN WORLD we can still cut our hair different, use a physical keyboard if we want, choose the color, manufacturer, chip maker, chip speed, Buy or use FREE Web FLASH APPs if we want. Watching you Apple followers while you're forced to NOT to use FLASH or Not install certain programs that the Apple Party/Government deems are you shouldn't be able to. You're all ending up being a bunch of Stuffy ELITISTS, believing only what they tell you.
Apple equals "The Borgeoisification of the Web"! (marked by a concern for material interests and respectability and a tendency toward mediocrity).... but in reality you are only the common worker bees, enabling the true Borgeois to live like FAT CATS on Starkissd Tuna, while YOU are all struggling to keep up with the Jones!
@MikeFM, so for the sake of argument let's assume that everything Apple says about Flash is true. If so, then shouldn't Microsoft announce that it will no longer support iTunes, the worst Windows app ever written. I mean iTunes on Windows is basically the same UE as Flash on a Mac, so shouldn't iTunes be dropped?
Can you imagine a vinyl seat cover maker complaining that BMW, Mercedes and Cadillac have built a "wall" around their product and essentially banned vinyl from their products?
WTF? If I make a product I am under NO obligation, moral or otherwise, to make your product workable in my product.
Adobe needs to SELL to Steve Jobs, not the other way around. Adobe went where the money was by developing better for Windows years ago. Now, they have to pay the piper.
Microsoft has kept PLENTY of people out of their platform for a variety of reasons and with some consequences.
I think Apple has justified why Flash isn't approvable by them for their products: it will ultimately generate complaints about battery life, slowness, etc.
Tough beans, Adobe. Grow up, compete and sell your wares if you want Apple. Apple is under no obligation to open their platform to you if you don't want to meet their high standards.
What a whiner!!!
WTF? If I make a product I am under NO obligation, moral or otherwise, to make your product workable in my product.
Adobe needs to SELL to Steve Jobs, not the other way around. Adobe went where the money was by developing better for Windows years ago. Now, they have to pay the piper.
Microsoft has kept PLENTY of people out of their platform for a variety of reasons and with some consequences.
I think Apple has justified why Flash isn't approvable by them for their products: it will ultimately generate complaints about battery life, slowness, etc.
Tough beans, Adobe. Grow up, compete and sell your wares if you want Apple. Apple is under no obligation to open their platform to you if you don't want to meet their high standards.
What a whiner!!!
they don't work. The reason it doesn't work is because no car manufacturer controls their products even after they are sold. Sure you may not be able to buy the car with vinyl seats, but that doesn't stop you from putting that material on your seats or replacing those seat after you purchase your car. Apple tries their hardest to first make a product where they control every aspect before and after the "sale" and if that can't work they will make sure you invalidate your warranty if you do.
@MikeFM...You mean the unwashed masses that actually know the difference between the different spellings of the word "to".
@MikeFM...You mean the unwashed masses that actually know the difference between the different spellings of the word "to".
Because they are selling an experience, not a car. Can you modify a car after you buy it? Yes, but you don't complain about the car manufacturer once you've modified it and the manufacturer doesn't have to warranty your experience once you have modified the car in an unapproved way.
If Apple lets Flash onto the iPhone and it's a bad experience, Apple takes the rap, not Flash. so Flash is out until Apple says its in.
Just like GM engines are not allowed on a Ford as long as Ford is warrantying the car.
The 3-4 year life expectancy of an iPhone justifies Apple having strict control over the performance of the phone.
If Apple lets Flash onto the iPhone and it's a bad experience, Apple takes the rap, not Flash. so Flash is out until Apple says its in.
Just like GM engines are not allowed on a Ford as long as Ford is warrantying the car.
The 3-4 year life expectancy of an iPhone justifies Apple having strict control over the performance of the phone.
@Jared Neale Well, I think it does work. No vinyl seat cover manufacturer went to the car maker and tried to force them to sell the seats. And force them to install the seats. And force them to support the seats if something went wrong.
And if you really want to install the app, you can jailbreak the phone. Just don't come crying to Apple if your phone dies.
Just like if you really want to install that high performance chip you can do so. Just don't go crying to the the car manufacturer when it blows up your engine.
And if you really want to install the app, you can jailbreak the phone. Just don't come crying to Apple if your phone dies.
Just like if you really want to install that high performance chip you can do so. Just don't go crying to the the car manufacturer when it blows up your engine.
Flash is a universal content delivery mechanism which, if adopted on iPad and iPhone, will cut Apple out of a revenue stream (think iTunes). It's not wrong of Apple to want that revenue all to itself but it is wrong of Apple and Mr.Jobs to lay mountains of hogwash and lies on consumers, and ultimately, to engage in a fantastically uncompetitive behavior.
My issue with Flash is Adobe's excessive lack of security. Its a real problem. Thos blinky ads you see on hundreds of websites may be annoying but they never had the potential to install malware on your machine just by letting web page load in your browser. Today thats VERY much the case. And one of those gaping holes is flash. Adobe get your security in check. Heck I'd have more faith in Microsoft's silverlight in regards to security over flash.
With that said, I do not hate flash. I like that it has standardized video delivery. I love what it has done for streming video. God people forget how craptastic it use to be using seperate little players like realplayer, quicktime or wmf to view video in different websites. I only have issue with Adobes lack of security built into their technology. Plus, I dont support Apples hypocritical stance on flash. We all know why Apple wants to kill flash and honestly its really not about security or html 5, its about control.
With that said, I do not hate flash. I like that it has standardized video delivery. I love what it has done for streming video. God people forget how craptastic it use to be using seperate little players like realplayer, quicktime or wmf to view video in different websites. I only have issue with Adobes lack of security built into their technology. Plus, I dont support Apples hypocritical stance on flash. We all know why Apple wants to kill flash and honestly its really not about security or html 5, its about control.
I agree. A vendor should be able to lock everyone else out and restrict user choice.
Boo-Hoo... Last time I checked. HTML, CSS and Java Script were far more "open" then navigation, assets and functionality embedded into a .swf file. Its long been a bandwidth hog, and a leading contributor to crashes on the MacOs.
hmm, in order for Adobe to compare what happens now to railroad gauge standardization, they ought to make of Flash an Open standard. As it is not the case AT ALL, unfortunately his argumentation falls short.
Flash- Proprietary Freeware
HTML5- Proprietary and Royalty Enriched
HTML5- Proprietary and Royalty Enriched
Haven't watched the video, but I find the comparison to railroad gauge humorous. The railroad gauge we have now is really too narrow for many uses, and particularly for passenger trains requires the use of some very sophisticated technology to make the train ride comfortable for passengers. So if the comparison is that Apple is blocking Adobe's attempt to standardize on inferior technology, then I'm all for wider rail gauge and HTML5.
Looking at that headset, I initial thought that was some kind of growth on his face. Black seems to be a better idea as it seems less distracting. I keep thinking is flesh.
Adobe should innovate not cry about a non open standard proprietary application!
Flash is dead! Open standards a life!
Flash is dead! Open standards a life!
if Lynch is consistent, then Adobe has no problem with anybody writing a plug-in for photoshop/acrobat/flash/nameyouradobeproduct that slows, crashes, or leaves the computer vulnerable while at the same time displaying a window naming the Adobe product as the culprit for your computer woes.....
Jobs' disease has affected his mind, for the worse. There's no way he or Apple are going to win such a negative, downright evil fight. Jobs is killing everything Apple was.
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