Harnessing the power of waves

March 21, 2008, 2:40pm PDT | Length: 00:03:13
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom believes tapping into tidal and wave power is a swell idea. But how feasible and realistic is this new renewable-energy technology? CNET News.com's Kara Tsuboi sits down with the mayor to find out.

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Harnessing the power of waves

Gavin Newsom: We are now looking at harnessing Mother Nature in a very subsistent and significant way.

Kara Tsuboi: San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom is referring to two renewable energy programs the city is exploring, Power Tap to the Power of the Ocean.

Mayor Newsom: This is not science fiction; this is not Discovery Channel.

Kara: The first is wave power.

Mayor Newsom: These wave energy platforms exist around the world, so this one truly isn't rocket science. It' just going to require subsidized costs to be invested upfront and demonstrate a capacity to do it again on scale where we can really take advantage of the entire coast.

Kara: Proposed off the city's Ocean Beach the feasibility of this project is currently under review.

Mayor Newsom: So I don't care what the study says, I just want the study to direct us in a better way.

Kara: Even if the reports are negative?

Mayor Newsom: It just gets us to think a little differently, so we can act a little differently. I want to use that information just to make us make a better bad decision, based upon what our critics believe, but a better decision based on what our supporters believe.

Kara: Pacific Gas and Electric Company have already backed a pilot program that could potentially provide two megawatts of electricity, enough to power 1,500 homes.

Mayor Newsom: The vision also really being, replacing all the polluting oil platforms off the coast of California with green wave generating energy platforms.

Kara: The second program under review is Tidal Power.

Mayor Newsom: Just unbelievable untapped energy that comes in, it's like a toilet bowl. Every single day it sort of flushes in, and flushes out.

Kara: Mayor Newsom is referring to a site 600 meters east of the Golden Gate Bridge that can one day house a tidal power device.

Woman: It's very similar to wind turbulence except it's underwater. Because water is so much denser than wind the devices don't have to be as large as the large scale wind devices. So world class tidal current is about four or five knots, and we've got about two to two and a half knots under the Golden Gate Bridge.

Kara: This limited size of tidal power and the overall expense of the device is why a newly released feasibility study does not recommend the city move forward with the Tidal Power Project just yet.

Woman: We're hoping that there would be more potential there.

Kara: Mayor Newsom however, is undeterred.

Mayor Newsom: That's because it's a brand new technology, it's never been done. It's never been scaled commercially in North America. So it's just like solar, until you bring it to scale these new technologies are always going to cost more.

Kara: By the year 2012, San Francisco has set some audacious rules for its renewable energy programs.

Women: Well, our peak power usage in San Francisco is about 950 megawatts. So we're looking at 50 megawatts of that, only, coming from renewables, and that's going to be a big target, a big goal for us to reach.

Mayor Newsom: If we believe in energy independence, and I do, as the paramount for a policy for this country. Rather than subsidizing failed wars overseas, billions may die, I'd rather see a subsidizing more enlightened policies for alternative sources of fuel and energy.

Kara: I'm Kara Tsuboi, CNET News.com.

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RE: Harnessing the power of waves
Baronmax 26th Aug 2008
Lets go for it - this is a great idea!

What Gavin means is lets find the way to do this that addresses any environmental and economic concerns. Its easy to say 'this is unknown', 'there are risks', 'it costs money', 'don't do it'.

Like anything you have to invest to get a return, that return being zero fuel power generation without waste pollution.

In the future we may look back and wonder why we ever thought we had a choice about this.

Anything man does has an impact on the environment but in this case they are likely to be far less than generation from other sources.

Lets make the investment, take sensible measures on the initial pilot projects and measure them to see what the effects are. I doubt we'll see anything of significance.

The people who say we can't do this are the same people who thought that travelling by train or by plane was impossible....
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"subsidize failed wars..."
prochefmichael@... 4th Jun 2008
.... he's got that right!!!
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RE: Harnessing the power of waves
triblover 31st Jul 2008
Read somewhere 25-30 years ago that tapping into tidal power is not a good idea because scientists have found that it can actually slow the earths rotation down.

But thats alright, you greenie's do what ya want because I won't be around long enough to give a dang anyway.

By the way greenie's, that toilet paper you wipe your butt with is made out of trees....LOL
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RE: Harnessing the power of waves
gloamin@... 6th Aug 2008
Scotland has had tidal generators for some time and all is well, I haven't fallen off the earth as yet. happy
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Why people leave California
jim.scannell@... Updated - 12th Aug 2008
SF mayor: "So we can make a less bad decision".

This is a clear illustration why people leave California. ?Gavin? is basing his judgment on his feelings and his ambition to make a name for himself. There are WAY too many environment problems with what his financial backers are telling him to do. And notice the dig ??supporting failed wars?? What does this hack mean by that other than to distract from the real issues. Nuclear power (the Newer designs) would generate more power with less of a footprint. Consider a country that before we thought inferior to us, (although Gavin would not) France. He probably does not even know how long until NPP?s need to be refueled. Few do. Or what warfare oil money really funds world wide (I know you hate America Gavin, but it?s not us, and judging by your cavalier attitude, your probably glad they are not failing).

America, because of guys with out a clue like the mayor of SF, is becoming a moth circling closer and closer to a flame being told it is headed the right way.

Welcome to the great decline of the US. What Carter failed to destroy and bring us to a state of degradation, guys like Gavin will succeed.
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RE: Harnessing the power of waves
Baronmax 26th Aug 2008
Lets go for it - this is a great idea!

What Gavin means is lets find the way to do this that addresses any environmental and economic concerns. Its easy to say 'this is unknown', 'there are risks', 'it costs money', 'don't do it'.

Like anything you have to invest to get a return, that return being zero fuel power generation without waste pollution.

In the future we may look back and wonder why we ever thought we had a choice about this.

Anything man does has an impact on the environment but in this case they are likely to be far less than generation from other sources.

Lets make the investment, take sensible measures on the initial pilot projects and measure them to see what the effects are. I doubt we'll see anything of significance.

The people who say we can't do this are the same people who thought that travelling by train or by plane was impossible....

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