>> In all honesty, the two of you will be forever linked for founding Apple, for the pranks that we hear that you two played in high school. Is there one memory in particular that when you heard the news, one memory of your time with Steve Jobs that--that really stuck out to you or popped in your head?
>> You know, when I heard the news, my mind just went blank, like I've been clobbered with a hammer. I didn't--I didn't expect it more than anyone else.
>> Even though he--
>> Over night really, a lot of the memories, things that we did together, how important they were, the way that Steve thought and he talked and, you know, his leadership from the early days and the way he founded things, you know, it's like my head is swirling in it.
>> Those--take us back to those early days. What was it like, the two of you, you know, interested in a lot of the same things, you this great energy, this great curiosity and ultimately you end up with your company, changing fundamentally the way we all do things across this world. What did you though set out to do when the two of you created Apple?
>> It was actually and unbelievably fortunate partnership but it spoke a lot of life and the--the passion for life and the energy to do things. Steve and I used to, in those days, talk about where life was going for people, what was important, what was right and what was good, and--and where did things like government field phonetic fit in and companies and great thinking and those ideas. My role was the key technologist, the scientist, the engineer that was building all these devices one after another after another and Steve was spotting them and seeing ways to sell them and talking about where they could go and talking about enhancements and improvements that would take it to the next level. He was always trying to move to the next level, to the next level, to the next level. He was almost pushed by a high anxiety and I was just sitting there designing the things I wanted for myself.
>> So slowly taking so much away from him?
>> Steve spoke to me of the illness more recently than a few months ago as something that really did bother him. He said he did not like the fact that he had been close to death and sort of survived and it kinda surprised 'cause a bit he's got a logical mind that understands, you know, as he--as he has the saying that--that death is really an affirmation of life and it's part of the circle. You know, once you have a healthy thinking like that, you're not necessarily bothered but he spoke like he was very bothered by it and I don't try to delve into people's personal lives, so I didn't ask deep questions, that a person could have ever gotten to that position and I know it's so sad for all of us because now we worry that--are we gonna miss what that would have brought us in our future.
>> As you spoke with him over the last few months, I know you saw him at the iPad 2 launch, I mean he was obviously struggling with his health for a long time. It would seem that he was a person who really like to control things, whether it was his company, whether it was a launch. How difficult do you think it was for him that he could not control this illness that was slowly taking so much away from him?
>> Steve spoke to me of the illness more recently than a few months ago as something that really did bother him. He said he was--he did not like the fact that he had been close to death and sort of survived. That kinda surprised me because a bit he's got a logical mind that understands, you know, as he has--as he has quoted in a saying that death is really an affirmation of life and it's part of the circle. You know, once you have a healthy thinking like that, you're not necessarily bothered but he spoke like was very bothered by it and I don't try to delve into people's personal lives, so I didn't ask deep questions.
