Where's Netbook's niche?

December 4, 2008, 12:50pm PST | Length: 00:03:15
ZDNet correspondent Sumi Das talks with Editor in Chief Larry Dignan about Netbooks, the "mini-me" of laptops. Dignan discusses the gadget's intended use vs. the everyday reality and how Netbook sales are shaping up this gloomy shopping season.

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Where's Netbook's niche?

>> Sumi: Hello, I'm Sumi Das for ZDNet, joining us now is our Editor in Chief Larry Digman, Larry thanks for being with us.

>> Larry: Anytime

>> Sumi: So there's been a bleak consumer spending holiday shopping outlook, it's all gloom and doom, right? But, there's a gadget that

had a really good cyber inaudible and has been selling rather well, you have it with you.

>> Larry: NetBooks, they're little baby laptops, essentially.

>> Sumi: It's cute.

>> Larry: Yeah, it is cute it's --

>> Sumi: So, what is it good for?

>> Larry: That's what I'm still trying to figure out. And what's scary is I actually bought one of these things --

>> Sumi: Yeah

>> Larry: and I own it and I'm still kind of thinking, okay, where does this fit in my arsenal of gadgets, so to speak. There are

tradeoffs and I think the biggest tradeoff for me is just the keyboard. I tried to do a blog post that didn't quite fly, my fingers

are just too fat for this thing. But for Web browsing it's pretty handy, but there are some serious tradeoffs here, and actually there

are ports for USB port for a keyboard and a port for a monitor.

>> Sumi: That's handy.

>> Larry: Chances are I'm probably gonna hook it up to a monitor and a regular keyboard and use it that way because it's just not --

it's not big enough.

>> Sumi: We've got a 10 inch screen here, right?

>> Larry: Yeah

>> Sumi: And so, that's a decent size.

>> Larry: Actually it's not it's a 9 inch.

>> Sumi: Okay, so 9 inches it's a decent size but at the same time I'm kind of with you if I'm not gonna use it as a -- it's not gonna

replace my Smartphone.

>> Larry: Yeah

>> Sumi: It's not gonna replace my laptop, so --

>> Larry: Why do I need it?

>> Sumi: when would I need it and why, yeah?

>> Larry: And that's what I'm still trying to figure out. Like, it has some key features like you have, ya know, Dell put a nice

dashboard on this where it's -- this is a Dell Mini, it's your Bunto phonetic, it's open source and, ya know, these little gadgets,

actually they're toys -- Toys R Us sells these things so they're almost toys, really.

>> Sumi: It looks like a toy; it looks like something I might give to a child.

>> Larry: And it kind of is, yeah, like my 6 year old looked at this but then she ran back to the MacBook. So I'm not sure --

>> Sumi: Even she rejected it.

>> Larry: Yeah, I'm not sure where the market is.

>> Sumi: But they're selling well?

>> Larry: They're selling well and I think the big question for me is just how they sell in the future. Like, I bought it as, ya know,

so I can have a laptop --

>> Sumi: curiosity

>> Larry: downstairs, I can check Fantasy scores, ya know, whatever.

>> Sumi: The important stuff.

>> Larry: Yeah, it's just a handy little thing to have lying around the kitchen. Some folks are gonna buy this thinking they're a

laptop replacement but they're not. So, I kind of wonder what happens in early 2009 when folks are looking at this and they're going,

alright, so, --

>> Sumi: It's not gonna take the place of my laptop.

>> Larry: Yeah, it's not gonna take the place of my Smartphone, so what do I do with this? Ya know, are we gonna have a bunch of

door-stops, or are they -- I mean my hunch is there is a market here and there is a need for something between a Smartphone and a

laptop but I'm looking forward to the, ya know, 2.0 version of these things because I think that'll be, ya know -- and maybe, you know --

>> Sumi: Do they need to be cheaper, I mean, what's the price point on something like this?

>> Larry: They run anywhere from like 250 to 500 bucks.

>> Sumi: Okay

>> Larry: So, ya know, it's -- the price is comparable to what you'd pay for a cell phone so I think it's gonna be interesting to see what the next version of these look like.

>> Sumi: Alright

>> Larry: I don't know if I'll run out and buy one next year or not, but.

>> Sumi: Okay Larry, thank you so much, we will keep an eye on the NetBook to see how it finds its way in the business. For more

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Talkback Most Recent of 59 Talkback(s)

  • Re the netbook video
    I bought a netbook for the portability. You do more than a smart phone, and better to carry than a laptop. I'd buy the next generation when it has discreet video processor strong enough for games. I tweaked my Asus EEEPC 1000H and it performs quite well enough just about everything with what a normal laptop can do. Better power consumption too, giving me up to 5 hours.

    Janeil Arlegui
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    Janeil
    5th Dec 2008
  • RE: Where's Netbook's niche?
    I have a Sony laptop with a huge display. I like it,
    but it is heavy and BIG. I take it ONLY when I need
    to run Windows based software.

    I work at an airport that has free wifi, but our
    company computers are so locked down, there are no web
    sites I can get to, even ones that would benefit my
    work.

    I bought the Acer Aspire with the solid state drive
    and Linux OS just to have a computer to get to the
    web, do email and IM, and the odd document here and
    there. It is the perfect solution for me.

    The smart phones are nice, but the type is too small
    for me to view easily. I get way to much email to
    ever want it to be sent to a phone type device where I
    pay by the byte.

    So, I have a Razr for my phone, and my Netbook for
    everything else. Perfect!
    ZDNet Gravatar
    jross@...
    5th Dec 2008
  • Netbooks are fine, IF
    You are only going to be doing light tasks: downloading off the internet, surfing the internet, light watching of videos, etc.

    If you are doing any hard-core photo editing or game playing..... get a better PC. Gateway has one that met all my expectations and THEN SOME, that only costs 1300 dollars.
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    Lerianis
    8th Dec 2008
  • RE: Where's Netbook's niche?
    I've been using the Asus 701 for about 6 months. The two things it does for me is boot up really fast and travel light.

    My Windows laptops take FOREVER to boot up. If I want a quick look at my email, the Asus is the one I use.

    If I want to use a laptop at one of those tiny coffee house or Barnes & Noble tables, Asus is my choice.

    The 800 pixel width screen should be OK for most websites, but isn't. A slightly wider screen would be better.

    I don't touch type, so the keyboard is no more of a problem to me than any keyboard. I did buy a foldup keyboard for my wife to use since she does touch type.

    In general, I'm moderately pleased.

    -- Barts
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    abarten
    5th Dec 2008
  • Forever to boot up?
    I've got Windows PC's, and they take less than a minute to boot up to Windows, to the point where I can start doing the things I wish to do.
    If your Windows laptops are taking longer than.... 3 minutes to boot up..... run a Disk Defragmenter like PerfectDisk. It will put EVERYTHING necessary for bootup (if you haven't cleared your pre-fetch logs) in the front of the drive, so it will boot up much faster.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Lerianis
    8th Dec 2008
  • 3 minutes s what out I mean
    I should have mentioned that my Asus has Linux installed. We're talking about 30 seconds vs. 3 minutes. ALL of our Win PCs take forever (3 minutes) to boot. They've ALL been defragged ad nauseum. Win machines come with or collect a lot of garbage.

    -- Barts
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    abarten
    9th Dec 2008
  • Long boot times.
    I purchased a Dell Mini 9, and found that the boot
    partition on the Flash based hard drive was fully
    compressed with Windows compression. ACK! After
    uncompressing the whole drive, XP booted as fast as I
    would expect any computer to boot XP. Not the fasted
    boot ever, but not bad either.

    I can see why they compressed the whole drive, it is
    only 16 Gig in size, which is paltry compared to other
    modern drives. But this step only saved about 1/2 of
    a Gig of space. Not enough to put up with the slow
    response of the OS. I did re-compress only the My
    Documents folder, as that's where it makes the most
    sense. But for the OS, compressing is murder on
    speed.
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    Narg
    8th Dec 2008
  • RE: Where's Netbook's niche?
    How about the K-12 market as a student device?
    ZDNet Gravatar
    lynn.mcnally@...
    5th Dec 2008
  • How about the College Student, While We're at It?
    Not as a main computer, certainly - but honestly, have you seen those monstrosity desktop replacements most college kids drag to class? For notetaking and writing term papers, a small, durable SSD drive Netbook would do more than well enough - anything they need to keep they can transfer via USB key to their main laptops.

    While we're on the subject, how about long-haul truckers (like my kid brother)? All he needs is a Web browser, e-mail access and a spreadsheet template for logging trips that he can run as easily in OpenOffice as MS Office. A couple games and a legal way he can watch videos would also be nice...but not necessary....

    The same goes for quite a few road warriors. Most of them don't really need much more than Web/e-mail access and a simple office suite, and some ways to entertain themselves during their downtime.

    It seems to me that the first company to come up with a easy way to install games more sophisticated than Solitaire or Tux Chase, and a legal way to watch movies and television on a Netbook, will rake it in big....
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    drprodny
    8th Dec 2008
  • RE: Where's Netbook's niche?
    It's totally a replacement for a laptop due to boot
    speed and it's far more portable. Why we are using
    smartphone and laptop or netbook in the same sentence
    is unclear as I have never seen anyone holding a
    laptop to they're ear and talking.?. What exactly does
    a laptop do for the average user that a netbook won't
    ?
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    vat1993@...
    5th Dec 2008
  • RE: Where's Netbook's niche?
    Does she type on her smartphone? Couldn't believe that video. I have a Palm wifi with an infared keyboard. Practically useless. The price for both? About $75 cheaper than a good netbook. My thoughts about this video? Practically useless
    ZDNet Gravatar
    rayrock710
    6th Dec 2008
  • RE: Where's Netbook's niche?
    I have a Palm PDA with an infared keyboard. Practically useless. The combined cost? About $80 less than a decent netbook. My opinion of this video? Practically useless
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    rayrock710
    6th Dec 2008
  • Why is everyone insisting on "niche".
    For geeks, it is not a desktop replacement, however, 3 friends who have them now, it is their only computer. They IM, they listen to music, they search the web, they upload photos, etc. For now, the only drawback to it not being the primary machine for a very non "niche" portion of the population is the SSD sizes. (yes the windows versions come with HD drives, they are XP, they are not ideal).

    With WallyWord offering 2 4 GIG SD cards for $20 online, prices will drop pretty quick. Anyway, I use it and my desktop (work) and the D620 is gathering dust. It even works for on site work great when you are actually in a noisy lab, lol.

    I still ask though, why does it seem that industry keeps trying and hoping to make these into "niche" machines (well, I know the answer, $s rule, but customers will either use them all the time or they will die as a market).

    For me, 10" 1024x758 and 32 gig SSD drive (probably mainstream sub $400 bu next June), you have an entirely capable laptop and desktop replacement for non geek users.

    TripleII
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    TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827
    7th Dec 2008
  • True, for a lot of people
    This is a good computer, that will meet all their necessaries (minus a DVD burner) and then some if they have the memory maxed.
    However, for children, for adults who game (who are more of the market than you would think), for people who play even flash based online games...... these netbooks will not meet their needs.
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    Lerianis
    8th Dec 2008
  • Actually, Lerianis, I think you're wrong there
    Most of your notional "kids" (of whom my wife and I mentor several) prefer to game on a PlayStation 2, xBox 360, Wii or (for portability) DS rather than a PC - which the full-sized laptops they use couldn't really run games anyway. The lack of a DVD drive IS an issue, admittedly - but not an insuperable one, especially if the Netbook isn't their main PC to begin with.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    drprodny
    8th Dec 2008

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