Windows Update Problems, Again

Summary: I have just been traveling for a few days on business. As I was taking carry-on baggage only, I wanted to take only the Samsung N150 Plus netbook, but I needed to be sure that it was up to date and could do the work-related things I would need while traveling.

I have just been traveling for a few days on business. As I was taking carry-on baggage only, I wanted to take only the Samsung N150 Plus netbook, but I needed to be sure that it was up to date and could do the work-related things I would need while traveling. It came preloaded with Windows 7 Starter, but in normal use I very seldom boot Windows on it.

So, of course, when I booted Win 7 it immediately downloaded all the latest patches from Microsoft. When I shut it down, it said that it was installing 16 updates. The next time I booted Windows, it took forever to start, but I didn't pay much attention as slow startup is typical of Windows... When I shut it down again, it said that it had 16 updates to install. Ugh. By that time I was on the road, and I really didn't want to have to deal with idiotic Windows problems... Sigh. I paid a bit more attention, and saw that it seemed to go normally through the process of installing all 16 updates, and then shut off. But when I booted Windows again, it said "Finishing Update Installation..." or whatever, and thrashed around for a ridiculously long time... and then said "Installation failed, backing out updates" and thrashed around for another ridiculously long time.

It never ceases to amaze me that people put up with this garbage, and then continue to post that Windows is a "great operating system" or whatever. Grrr....

I assumed that this was the same problem that I had seen once before, on my HP Pavillion dv2-1010ez with Vista. That turned out to be caused by Windows Update not liking the fact that I had replaced the Windows bootloader with GRUB. Of course, when I wrote about that problem I was told by all of the Microsoft apologists that I was "stupid" for still running Vista (which I suppose implies that I am "stupid" for not giving Microsoft even more money), and the problem was unique to Vista, and Microsoft already knew about it and of course it wouldn't happen any more, especially with the wonderful fantastic spectacular Windows 7.

This time I didn't particularly care whether the updates got installed or not (Windows is hopelessly broken and hopelessly security-compromised either with or without them, so who really cares?), but I didn't want to have to put up with that ridiculous delay every time I shut down and started up. I thought I would just mark that batch of updates to not be installed, but then since I had some time while I was traveling, I decided to try to figure out exactly which one was causing the problem.

I spent a long time in my hotel room selecting and installing them one by one... install, reboot, wait for ages, and one by one... and one by one... and they all installed without a problem. ALL OF THEM! EVERY LAST STUPID ONE OF THEM! No problems, no errors, no "Installation Failed...".

So, what was the "real" problem? Did this happen just because Windows 7 Starter Edition is just so brain-damaged that it couldn't even handle Microsoft's own updates? Or is it a more general problem with Windows 7?

Bleah.

jw 10/11/2010

Topic: Linux

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I started working with what we called "analog computers" in aircraft maintenance with the United States Air Force in 1970. After finishing military service and returning to university, I was introduced to microprocessors and machine language programming on Intel 4040 processors. After that I also worked on, operated and programmed Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-8, PDP-11 (/45 and /70) and VAX minicomputers. I was involved with the first wave of Unix-based microcomputers, in the early '80s. I have been working in software development, operation, installation and support since then.

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  • Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. I thought you would have known by now, that sometimes, not often, Microsoft will not tell the whole truth, or stretch it to ensure a sale. Maybe it was your location, or you used the wrong finger to hit the keys, or maybe you weren't facing the right direction. I'm sure, according to Microsoft, and all their fans, that it couldn't have been a problem of the OS. After all, WIN7 is the OS we have been waiting for, the solution to all our problems, the last OS we will ever need, the most stable, most secure OS on the planet.
    ator1940
  • @ator - I think you got it right, it was the finger I was using... I always use just one, and the same one, when dealing with Microsoft products....

    jw
    j.a.watson@...
  • Windows 7 updates is a huge pain in corporate environments, mainly with the end user experience. When supporting desktop PCs, updates install automatically when the PC is rebooted. In Windows XP we could bypass this and reboot (for example when installing some application in which most require a reboot). But now that Windows 7 is more aggressive with update installation, updates are installed when rebooting and end users and technicians end up sitting around longer waiting for the updates to install, in order to continue on the other task at hand.

    I've also seen the back to back rebooting where it reboots to install some updates, then reboots itself again automatically to install even more updates, then eventually boots back up into Windows.

    What makes all of this very annoying in Windows, is that Linux handles updates so efficiently and often doesn't require a reboot. People put up with Windows garbage because they just don't know that there's anything better out there (like Linux).
    Chris_Clay
  • Lol, thought I'd design a suitable sticker to put on Windows PCs to help prevent user problems...

    [IMG]http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu84/anadin96/Other%20Stuff/winwarn.jpg[/IMG]
    http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu84/anadin96/Other%20Stuff/winwarn.jpg
    AndyPagin-3879e
  • Unfortunately I help support hundreds of Windows workstations, and within the past month or so I've noticed that it does in fact take multiple reboots upon reboots to get a fresh Windows 7 system up and running. On a Intel Core 2 Duo machine with 4 GB of RAM running Windows 7 Enterprise, the system reboots at least 3 times that I've noticed, just to get itself updated with all of the patches. This process just to install the updates, takes close to 20 minutes by the time all of the rebooting is factored in. This is also not factoring in the time to download the updates, which can vary greatly depending on Internet speed. In an environment where PCs are imaged and updates need to be installed after the base CD image is used, this can cost a lot of extra time, even when updates are pulled from a local WSUS server.
    Chris_Clay
  • I was at a conference recently where a prestigious professor has been invited from Holland to talk about his research. 1/3rd of the way through his powerpoint presentation was minimized and a dialog box with something along the lines of 'Windows is restarting now after installing updates...' The technician very quickly managed to delay this, but unfortunately only by 10 minutes. Got to love it!
    duncan j murray