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Apple reconsidering anti-glare screen options; users rejoice

By | July 15, 2009, 9:28pm PDT

Apple slowly been converting all of its notebook and iMac displays to highly-reflective glass surfaces shortly after the release of the original iPhone in 2007. It really hit me where it hurts when Apple released the MacBook Air (my dream Mac) exclusively with a glossy screen. I complained about the issue in a January 2008 post Death to the glossy display!

The glossy screen annoys me so because of the incredible amount of glare that it reflects. Sure, it might be ok in a dimly lit studio, but as soon as you’re near an outdoor window it’s as reflective as a mirror. This effect is exponentially worse when used outdoors or in a car, train or airplane–the prime locations for using a notebook computer. Have you ever used a glossy display during the day in a vehicle? It’s horrible. Especially if you have a light-colored shirt on.

Almost 6,000 of you voted in a poll I posted on the topic with two-thirds of you claiming that you disliked glossy displays with the other third being evenly split between loving them and not caring either way. I’ve added a new poll at the end of this post to see if opinions have changed in 18 months.

In R.I.P. matte screen displays (posted October 2008) I wrote about Apple’s troubling trend toward glossy displays and how the company seemed to be ignoring the majority of its customers.

What started as an option on the MacBook Pro, became the only choice on the MacBook. Then the iMac. Then the MacBook Air. Now Apple’s gone 100 percent glossy across their entire line.

Later in October 2008 an Apple Core reader emailed me a picture which pretty much summed up how bad the reflection/glare problem can be with a glossy screens on a notebook, writing:

On the flight I decided to get some work done and was amazed at how unusable this is in non-optimal situations.  Like an airplane!? … for this picture I turned the brightness (up to) 100%, shut the window shade and this is an accurate picture of what I saw.

Gloss = glare = bad

In January 2009, Apple appeared to concede the point that glossy screens aren’t for everyone when they announced the new 17-inch MacBook Pro with a matte screen option. The $50 upcharge for anti-glare was a bit of a slap in the face, but at least it gave users a choice. Then everything went completely down hill when Apple released the rest of the unibody MacBook Pro line with glossy-only displays.

I don’t argue that some users prefer glossy screens. I can tolerate them in indoor environments and in low light conditions. Heck, I’ll even agree that colors can appear more saturated when viewed on a glossy screen. That’s why I’m not calling for Apple to dump glossy entirely, but rather to give users the choice of anti-glare and glossy screens — for the same price.

A story published yesterday on AppleInsider gives hope to fans of anti-glare screens everywhere indicating that Apple may have realized the error of its glossy ways. AI reports that Apple is “mulling the possibility of extending anti-glare display options to more of its Macs” and that “the 13- and 15-inch MacBook Pros would be the most likely candidates.”

Choice is always good for the consumer, pure and simple. No matter where you stand on the glossy vs. matte debate, its hard to argue with choice.

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Jason O'Grady is a journalist and author specializing in mobile technology. He has published six books on Apple and mobile gadgets and his PowerPage blog has been publishing for over 15 years.

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Jason D. O'Grady

Jason D. O'Grady developed an affinity for Apple computers after using the original Lisa, and this affinity turned into a bona-fide obsession when he got the original 128 KB Macintosh in 1984.

He started writing one of the first Web sites about Apple (O'Grady's PowerPage) in 1995 and is considered to be one of the fathers of blogging. He has been a frequent speaker at the Macworld Expo conference and a member of the conference faculty. He also co-founded the first dedicated PowerBook User Group (PPUG) in the United States.

After winning a major legal battle with Apple in 2006, he set the precedent that independent journalists are entitled to the same protections under the First Amendment as members of the mainstream media.

O'Grady is the author of The Nexus One Pocket Guide, The Droid Pocket Guide, The Google Phone Pocket Guide, and The Garmin nuvi Pocket Guide (Peachpit Press), the author of Corporations That Changed the World: Apple Inc. (Greenwood Press), and a contributor to The Mac Bible (Peachpit Press). In addition, he has contributed to numerous Mac publications over the years, including MacWEEK, Macworld, and MacPower (Japan).

When he's not writing about Apple for ZDNet at The Apple Core, he enjoys spending time with his family in New Jersey.

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RE: Apple reconsidering anti-glare screen options; users rejoice
MR.Picaba 31st Aug
It's true that Used BMW Seattle and Used Mercedes Seattle cannot work without Used Subaru Seattle.
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ofcourse!
onepersonsopinion@... 15th Jul 2009
Hah! Thats what you get for giving steve a lot of money! Spend half of that and get a standard notebook where you can choose from a larger variety of components. Or just give steve the money that he planned on bilking from you because he tricked you into buying his 'different' hardware and software and put his kids through college. oh wait all the people who bought an apple already did that.
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Actually
Pete "athynz" Athens 17th Jul 2009
HP also sells laptops with the glossy screen - and as I recall I did not have a choice either when I bought a custom built laptop from their site. So it's not just Apple.

Fortunately it is rare that I use my laptop outside when it is sunny though I did so the other day killing time waiting on a prescription to get filled - 30 freaking minutes - and was sitting in my vehicle and the glare was unreal... it was like I was looking into a mirror rather than an active laptop display. If that was a daily occurence rather than a once in a blue moon thing then I'd seriously consider looking into replacing the glossy screen with a matte one myself.
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Here it is, 2011, and Apple is still shoving idiotic glossy screens down customers' throats. No matte option on any of the computers most likely to actually leave the house: the 13" Pro or Air.

The level of stupidity there is just incredible. Way to be a "leader", Apple.
Has anyone come out with antiglare films? I have one for my
iPhone. I know it would be difficult to apply across 17", but
someone should be able to do it. I had one for my Vaio, but
it came with it and it wasn't too bad, but then it was only a
10" screen.
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This outfit does...
Player_16 20th Jul 2009
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well there you go for
xXSpeedzXx 11th Aug 2009
$20 problem fixed. Now it is up to Apple to decide whether they will make there lines with both options availible.
It's true that Used BMW Seattle and Used Mercedes Seattle cannot work without Used Subaru Seattle.
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Why the same price --senseless
javajunkie@... 16th Jul 2009
If you want a more expensive component that me, why do we have to pay the same price.

If you want a component that needs replacement more often, why the same price.

I don't know which screen is which (in terms of cost or reliability), but if they are not the same, then why does one consumer have to pay for the other?

How does that make sense? Are they identical in terms of all costs?
My office is arranged with my desk facing away from the 7th floor window of a view down town Melbourne Florida. This window is directly behind me and goes from wall to wall and floor to ceiling, almost 100 sq. feet of bright daylight.

I absolutely cannot use a glossy screen that is not coated with anti-glare (anti-reflection) materials. I can only work with an anti-glare or matte (these are different options) screens.

Apple has designed themselves right into the corner with their new unibody notebooks. The edge to edge surface that protects the screen is probably not amenable to matte surfaces. Anti-glare coatings on plastic surfaces is not technically difficult (requiring low temperature vapor deposition of precision thickness [lambda/4] materials in a vacuum) but is an expensive step in the manufacturing process. Hence it's extra costs.

However, I would pay extra for that option but it's not offered on the 15" models. I am throwing in the towel on Apple's products and searching now for an alternative Windows based laptop that had Win XP Pro down grade disks instead.

My impression of Apple is that style trumps quality and function in every product. I feel that way after spending over $1,100 to repair my MBP when the EFI chip set failed on a unit that was less than 20 months old. As an electrical engineer, I feel that the failure was due to the extremely high temperatures that the MoBo, er logic broad, endures due to poor thermal management and design. Every other brand of laptop usually has a set of vents that allow the case to dump heat when the cooling fan is active. These are conspicuously absent from any of the MacBokk Pros that I have seen. Heat is the death of high speed digital circuits and their lifetime reduces exponentially with increasing operating temperature.

Still, I would be dumb enough to buy another one because I cannot find a similarly featured Windows based notebook except for the stupid glossy screen.

Way to go Apple!
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Who would think glossy screens are a good idea?
Palmetto_CharlieSpencer 16th Jul 2009
There's a reason nobody sells an LCD monitor with a glossy screen: they suck. If it's not a good idea on the desktop, where lighting conditions are easier to control, why would it be a good idea on mobile devices?
I just went on Apple site last week (July 8) and anti-glare was an option on the 15" MacBook Pro for $50 extra but when I revisited the site today, it is not an option. Did they just make this change? I went to the Mac store, checked out what it looked like and decided I would order the anti-glare screen. Is it not available anymore?
At the petition site http://macmatte.wordpress.com there are
already over 250 comments. I think if we can assemble close
to a thousand detailed comments at one petition site, it
would make an impact on Apple.
Give customers a choice. I do not care
if I have to pay a surcharge but I will
not buy a gloss screen. It is
impossible to use for graphics
professionals. It is for watching
movies. Instead of a new MRP I got a
couple of Dell Monitors..just for
spite...Good screens by the way...
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Intel has MicroSoft ....
kd5auq 16th Jul 2009
Apple has glossy screens ....

Both are gee whiz neat, but both are a pain!
Yes. We should have an choice in this especially in this matter since screen type since the user and only the user can determine which screen type suits them. I had been using matte screens since my PB100 and my current MacBookPro has a glossy, when I still ad a choice. I only bought when I saw some digital TV screens and noticed how much sharper and better contrast the images where from the matte one. However after getting the glossy screen I was my pain of the glossy screen of glare and getting dirty easily.
However, the user/buyer should have options in this matter.
Glossy screens are for entertainment. Anti-glare is for professional work.
As a person that has viewed his computer screen on an avg.of 10-12 hours a day since early in 1975 when I aquired my first monochrome glossy crt screen, I was elated when anti-glare screens became available (at last relief to my eye strain and headaches caused by reflections).I purchased my first color cga crt in 1981 and imediatly tried every gimic anti glare shied available.I purchased my first anti glare lcd for my studion in 1999 and have not looked back; Until now that is.I have been toting my macbooks around since their inseption and am now faced with a decision, if Apple decides to continue using glossy screens I and my staff of graphic designers will be upgrading to
@#$$% MS Windows and Dell or Hp or whatever brand of PC has a non glare 15" laptop available.
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You may need to start a trend.
Player_16 20th Jul 2009
For your office, you may need this...
http://www.radtech.us/Products/ClearCal-Displays.aspx
I said it in January and I'll say it again I will absolutely NOT
upgrade my early 2008 15" Mac Book Pro to the unibody
model with a glossy screen.

Glossy screens suck and should not be used on laptops.

No matte screen no sale... Are you listening Apple?
Glossy glass screens may be Apple's
preparation for touchscreen across its entire
line. Maybe, as a previous commenter posted,
Apple should offer an anti-glare coating as an
option (different from a matte screen), which
might still be smooth enough for gliding one's
fingers across. Though I wonder how suited
matte screens might be for touchscreen use--
maybe they're not significantly different, really.
Laptops are otherwise designed to be used in a variety of environments. Designing them so that they look better (and I do agree that shiny screens look better, until someone puts a finger print on there) but can't be used in all environments kinda makes it a less portable laptop.

It's like making a laptop without a battery. It's still useful for some people (people who work near power outlets) and I'm sure it makes it better in some way (lighter, smaller) but not as portable.
I am a design professional in need of 2 new Mac computers,
but cannot bring myself to buy a glossy screen. Glare is not
really the right term for this problem; it is reflection. Hard,
crisp, bright reflections of the keyboard or anything else that
is not black and is placed opposite this screen, such as a
person. I will wait until the 15" matte screen returns, and
wait for a matte iMac as well.
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Anti-reflection glass the solution?
macheadtriper 19th Jul 2009
Glare and reflections have been solved in the art industry for years.

Visit TruVue and you can see by their "Museum Glass?" next to cheap reflective glass the big difference this type of glass makes. Also it's in acrylic too.

It's the reflections causing glare, that's causing eyestrain and headaches. Eliminate the reflection from stray sources and the glass screen is even better than what Apple is currently offering. Cost? I estimate about $60 per machine, but volume would cut that down considerably, and it's cheaper than making two of each computer model.

Glossy and matte lovers can finally agree.

http://www.tru-vue.com/

(disclaimer: no comp or connection, lots of other anti-reflective makers exist, using as a example only)
A long time ago, non-reflective CRT flat-screens were
in use by Apple. Sony Trinitron flat screens had them.
But it was the glass not the actual screens themselves
that had the coating. Because of that there was no
double-reflections. The last CRT screens were the
eMac. Strange how short peoples memories are
nowadays. I'm looking at my Cube that came with a 17"
CRT non-reflective flat glass screen. It's not as bright
as my iMac but I can hardly see myself in it when it's
off.
I'll be honest, matte is rubbish compared to non-
reflective glass. My specks have a non-reflective
coating on them and if you carefully look at the very
top of your screens, you'll notice a very small lens
there: that's a camera. Why does it have a blue or green
or pink appearance to it? That is due to the non-
reflective coating that was applied to it.
You can rave on all you want about matte screen but if
you don't ask the right question you won't get the right
answer. For a better understanding:
http://www.screentekinc.com/pixelbright-lcds.shtml
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It was because of that screen that I did not upgrade to a new MBP. That reason only.

Apple, figure it out. Glare screens ARE A STUPID MISTAKE! You understand the importance of a good user interface. The inability to see the screen is NOT A GOOD USER EXPERIENCE!
I'm holding on to my old MBP because I can't stand the glossy
screen. I've tried the new MBP at the Apple store and I would
have left my money there if the new MBP had a matte screen.
We really should have the choice.
And if Apple wants to sell only computers with glossy screens, Apple should sell as well anti-glare flat panel screens to fit in the computer. with a stiff filter (not a film), we would have the choice of glossy or matt:
- glossy in the dark when we ant to see a movie
- matt in the daytime when we want to work and avoid reflection from the various sources of light.
That would be the ideal situation.

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