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Apple: Still a Mac company now?

By | July 22, 2010, 7:03pm PDT

Summary: While crowing this week over its record quarterly sales of 3.47 million Macs in its latest fiscal reports, Apple opened up a bit on who’s buying the iPhone 4 and iPad. Of course, they are Windows users.

While crowing this week over its record quarterly sales of 3.47 million Macs in its latest fiscal reports, Apple opened up a bit on who’s buying the iPhone 4 and iPad. Of course, they are Windows users.

Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook pointed to the deployment of iPhones in the enterprise, a market that is certainly Windows country.

If you look at the iPhone, we’re now up to more than 80 percent of the Fortune 100 that are deploying or piloting the iPhone, and we also see very good momentum in the Fortune 500. In fact, over 60 percent of the Fortune 500 are deploying or piloting iPhone. This is also transcending into education institution, and we see around 400 higher education institutions, which have included the iPhone for faculty, staff and students.

And on the iPad front, it appeared to be a similar story.

The iPad, very surprisingly in the first quarter, during the first 90 days we already have 50 percent of the Fortune 500 that are deploying or testing the iPad. This is incredible. That is the Fortune 100, excuse me.

Of course, the iPhone and iPad aren’t Mac products, nor are they designed to connect only to Macs. Rather, these devices are their own iOS platform that can connect to either Macs or PCs. Apple makes software for Mac and Windows hosts that support the Apple mobile Internet and AV content devices.

My ZDNet colleague Mary-Jo Foley at All About Microsoft just posted about buying her first Apple product. This decision wasn’t an easy one for her and she had to overcome the Wintel derision often voiced by Mac fans. Or as she put it: “the negative, hostile and condescending interactions with not just Apple fanboys, but regular Apple users.”

But the lure of the iPad was too much for even her.

Microsoft has promised that its partners have some cool slates running Windows 7 coming this year. If  they’re out there, they’ve waited too long to show/leak them. If I had felt there was a compelling Windows slate that would ship this year, I’d have refrained happily from buying an iPad.

At Microsoft’s consumer showcase in New York in June, there were lots of Windows 7 PCs on display, but not a single slate. (When I asked one Microsoft evangelist why I shouldn’t buy an iPad, he retorted “You have five hundred bucks. Go  buy one” instead of offering me anything concrete to convince me otherwise.) I say show me a Windows 7 slate with 10+-hour battery life, instant on/off (i.e., hibernation that really works), and an interface that is as fun and responsive as the iPad’s and I’d still consider buying one.

Sure you would … not! After making an investment in time, content and software in the iPad, will users really move off the iPad platform and onto a Wintel slate with fewer programs and less support? Maybe not.

Later in the Apple analyst call, Cook responded to a question about the analyst refrain over the past few months that there would be significant cannibalization of Mac purchases by the iPad. The question asked whether instead, the Mac might see a halo effect from the iPad. Remember that more than half of the customers buying new Macs in the Apple retail stores are Windows users.

… I do agree that I think most people external to Apple focus on cannibalization has been negative, and internally we are focused on exactly the opposite the synergy between both technically and from a demand point of view. If you look at the iPod historically, all of the people here felt that the iPod created a halo for the Mac, and in fact as the iPod volumes kick off you will see a dramatic change in the Mac sales back in time that we experienced.

And so could that happen on iPhone and iPad. You know, we’ll see. I don’t want to predict it but I do think that with our Mac share, the Mac has outgrown the market 17 straight quarters.

However, the Mac share is still low and so there is still an enormous opportunity for the Mac to grow and certainly the more customers we can introduce to Apple through iPads and through iPhones and through iPods, you would think that there would might be some synergy with the Mac there, and there may be synergy between the iPad and the iPhones and so on and so forth and so that’s the way that we look at it internally instead of the negative although I know everybody is more focused on the negative piece of it.
You know, this is for it’s great to be to have a lower share because if it turns out that the iPad cannibalizes PCs that I think it’s fantastic for us because there is a lot of PCs to cannibalize. It’s still a big market.

Welcome to Apple, Ms. Foley. Your Mac is waiting for you.

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dvm Updated - 22nd Jul 2010
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James Quinn 22nd Jul 2010
Not sure I can add anything to the swell of good Apple news of late:P

Pagan jim
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@James Quinn Yeah antennagate is great news!
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Yesterdays news my friend.. Literally.
James Quinn 22nd Jul 2010
@munsta
Pagan jim
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
richardw66 23rd Jul 2010
@munsta

Yes it is - it highlighted Apple - and all publicity is good publicity.

The negative and inaccurate stories also contained inadvertently information that many people were buying the iPhone 4.

And since the whole thing is now slowly being put back into perspective, the lasting impression is that Apple products sell well. And that Apple can move past a seeming disaster, so they are not going away any time soon.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
ahh so Updated - 24th Jul 2010
@munsta
I don't see a mass refund in the making. Have all those windoze users who bought the iPhone returned their iPhones yet?

Please tell us they have and that they're waiting on WP7 mobile vaporware coming out sometime in the next 100 years.
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And?
James Quinn 23rd Jul 2010
@jamsdwy
How many Mac's have been infected by what malware of late? The only thing about bug fixes that would bother me is if Apple did not do them in time to prevent malware infection. Otherwise I look at bug fixes as a good thing.

Pagan jim
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
geoff@... 23rd Jul 2010
@jamsdwy Strange, never had a virus on any of my Macs, my wife's Mac or my daughters mac and they surf the web all the time. Could it be a sensationalized announcement. Apple has the most listed vulnerabilities in theory; so what? Most the ways you can infect a Mac require Warez pirated software and pirates don't get my sympathy if they get infected; otherwise you have to jump through hoops if you want you Mac infected. I will go ahead and just keep my macs despite the FUD reports of Apple's being the least secure. Real life scenarios and usage demonstrate otherwise.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
drphysx 23rd Jul 2010
@geoff@...

That's the problem with you Apple fanboys. You are so clueless, you wouldn't even notice when someone takes over you computer, because all you've ever heard of are viruses, which are almost extinct today.

Nobody creates viruses anymore. And nobody cares about viruses anymore.

Today, criminaly are more interested in taking over your computer and either make it distribute spam or steal your data.

And guess what? The Mac is by far the easiest target. It's so easy to take over a Mac and the best thing is, Mac users are so clueless they don't even know such threads exist.

One thing is for sure, OS X is by far the most insecure platform you can use. There's a reason why it gets hacked within seconds every year at Pwn2own.

Sad but true, Apple doesn't give a **** about your security. Stupid fanboys spread their lies about the Mac being secure, they don't have to really secure it, as long as people believe they're secure and don't realize when their Macs get pwned.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
richardw66 23rd Jul 2010
@geoff@...

That's the problem with you Apple fanboys. You are so clueless, you wouldn't even notice when someone takes over you computer, because all you've ever heard of are viruses, which are almost extinct today.

No - sorry I am rather experienced with infections on PC platforms, I have spent many an hour removing infections from Windows PCs that the anti-virus software either missed or could not remove.

Before you shoot your mouth off about other people's skills you should get a Mac and get experienced enough to make a comment.

You speak from ignorance, I speak from 30 years of experience of many platforms.

And I speak with experience of supporting other users and the PCs that they ask me to look at that have become useless to them
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
Jkirk3279 23rd Jul 2010
@James Quinn

This 'PC guy' I met at college told me Thursday he's been thinking of getting a Mac if 'someone' would show him how to use OSX.

And the Dean of the college's IT sector just bought a Mac for his office.

Certain people were quietly stunned...

I was talking to one of the college IT people that was enthused about a "new" virtualization mode they're going to, where the PC gets pushed a fresh image every time it boots.

I said, "Oh, like Apple's Netboot?"

She said "what?".

I said "Netboot". "You set the Mac to boot off the network image. Been out for eight years."
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
condelirios 22nd Jul 2010
Fewer programs? Huh? Windows offers WAY more programs than iPad and most companies already have licenses for them. I think these figures are bogus still haven't seen a major company deploy iPhones. Pretty much all Blackberry in the enterprise.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
Jimster480 23rd Jul 2010
@condelirios your very right piloting means using or evaluating just as cook said the other day. Just because companies are looking at their products doesn't mean they are adopting or deploying them anywhere.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
richardw66 23rd Jul 2010
@Jimster480

no - it doesn't mean deploying - but it means a change in attitude, and an opening of mind.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
drphysx 22nd Jul 2010
I agree with most of your article.

Hovewer, I don't think Mary Jo will ever buy a Mac. Windows 7 has set the bar so high, that, with Apple focusing almost exclusively on iOS, there will most certainly never be a competitive version of OS X again.

I'm sure lots of iPhone/iPad users will purchase a Mac, out of curiosity, cause they like their iPhones/iPads. But after the initial excitement of using something 'different' wears off, they'll realize that Windows is the much more advanced operating system.

Apple will make tons of money with their mobile devices and Mac sales will still grow for some time, but not forever - Apple's future looks bright, but the Mac's future doesn't, unless Apple turns around and spends some of their 40+ billion dollars on making it competitive again, but I don't think that's going to happen.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
Robert penn Updated - 22nd Jul 2010
@drphysx
Can you prove your oppinion, "Apple's future looks bright, but the Mac's future doesn't"? Apple won in mobile devices with iphone, ipad, even ipod, not like google doing these and doing those, losing all.
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It's true.
Lester Young 22nd Jul 2010
@Robert penn

OSX usage share has stagnated since the release of Win7. The old memes that were used to market Macs ("I'm a Mac..") are dying. Most of Apple's growth isn't in Macs. Hint: what is the bulk of Apple's advertising compared with a year ago?
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
scherzva@... 23rd Jul 2010
@Robert penn iOS is OSX just a scaled down version of it.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
drphysx Updated - 23rd Jul 2010
@Robert penn

Actually Google has already won the smartphone war.

They're now selling 15 million smartphones per quarter, compared to 8 million iPhones.

Google's smartphone sales are growing exponentially, doubling every few months, while Apple's iPhone sales are staying almost flat.

Apple is already losing smartphone market share at an increasing rate, while one out of four smartphones sold worldwide, which is 25% of all smartphones, will run Android in a few weeks, compared to 10-15% running iOS and there's a good chance that Google will own 60% of the smartphone market, while Apple will drop to 5-10% at best.

Now, that does of course not mean that Apple's future doesn't look bright. They won't have a big market share, but they will still make boatloads of money, because the iPhone is a premium priced product.

It's exactly the same as what happened in the "Mac OS vs. Windows" war. Windows now has over 90% market share, yet Apple still makes boatloads of money by selling software and hardware together.

The same will happen in the smartphone market. Apple will not reach a high market share, but they will make lots of money.

That's why I said their future looks bright. It does.

Meanwhile, the Mac's future does not. Apple is focusing on iOS and there is no innovation anymore on the OS X side. Windows 7 is a much more advanced OS and there are no signs coming from Apple that they are going to change that.
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Win7 is a clone of OSX
wackoae 22nd Jul 2010
Given that many of the features added to Win7 are clones of features OSX had for years, your assertion that OSX is running behind is just plain stupid.

Or did you conveniently forgot when MS actually said that Win7 will include features "borrowed" from OSX????
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cloned?
Lester Young 22nd Jul 2010
@wackoae

Adapted and improved upon. And, yes, there are some more advanced features under the hood with Win7 (and Vista).
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THE reason Mary needs a Mac
Richard Flude 22nd Jul 2010
Like the iPhone and iPod, buying a Mac is essential for MS commentators. They can use it for a heads up about MS products / features several years from now;-)
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
MSFTWorshipper 23rd Jul 2010
@wackoae Ever hear of embrace, extend and extinguish? hahahahhahaa
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GeoffMichael 23rd Jul 2010
@wackoae I have both Windows 7-based PCs and Macintosh Snow Leopard-based PCs in my office and home. While Win7 is a very good OS, I've certainly not noticed it's any better than Snow Leopard.

Furthermore, I do believe Apple will continue to update and improve their OS just as they have always done. It makes no sense to believe otherwise.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
richardw66 23rd Jul 2010
@Lester Young

No - they aren't improved upon. They are fairly stupidly implemented, they make changes, sure, but they do not make improvements.

Windows 7 still has the same issues that Windows has always had - and these are time consuming and made worse by the layers of pretence of improvement.

I speak here from experience of Windows 7 and days lost trying to fix issues.

Every so often I lose 2 days to a Windows PC solving stupid issues, I have done this with ME, XP and Windows 7 PCs.

Ok under each new version the number of reasons for problems reduces, but the reasons for my 2 days lost to Windows 7 go back a long way, and ultimately I had to go old school to fix the issues, once I realised that nothing had changed except a layer of interface masking the real way things were working, I could fix the issue.

To fix the issue I still had to get creative and hack a driver installer, but it ultimately worked.

And most of the problem was caused by the new Windows 7 'Features' misleading me.
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@drphysx

Sorry i've never heard anyone making the claim that Windows is much more advance than OSX. They're both solid mature OS.

And why switch back when you can run Windows on Macs now, and it runs better users are claiming.
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@drphysx You are mistaken. The bar is set, and is maintained by OS X. Windows 7 isn't even close in terms of usability, power and opportunities be be productive through using the three different scripting environments, UNIX built in and all the tools of the environment that are much easier to get to than on Windows. Plus a clearly superior user interface that is proven by the fact that you don't see many people going from OS X to Windows. But half of the people buying Macs are former Windows users.
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drphysx 23rd Jul 2010
@ewelch

I bet you have never actually used Windows 7.

OS X Snow Leopard does not even come close. Windows 7 is much more enjoyable, easy to use yet powerful - in short, better than OS X in every possible way.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
jeff.fostermedia@... 23rd Jul 2010
@drphysx
What do you mean the bar is so high in Windows 7? Windows 7 is popular because it fixes what was wrong with Vista. I don't see where the OS is better than Mac. A case study.

We have a new iMac and a new Lenovo Thinkpad with Win 7 at home and wife works on her Thinkpad and then wants nothing to do with technology at all when she's done. Everyone else in the family runs to the Mac even if the Thinkpad is available.
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Say what?
godsfault 23rd Jul 2010
@drphysx Congratulations. You have posted one of the silliest predictions yet in the blogosphere: "...there will most certainly never be a competitive version of OS X again."

BTW, are aware that Apple enjoyed a 30% increase in sales of Macs over last year's similar quarter? You are? Then why the silliness?

drphysx logic: increased sales figures of Macs means Apple won't improve OS X.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
condelirios Updated - 23rd Jul 2010
@godsfault Yep well aware. Also note that Windows 7 was on more computers after 30 days of release than all versions of OSX combined including the scaled down version known as iOS. Windows 7 has now after 10 months sold 165 million copies, and we haven't even gone through back to school season yet. OSX never really was competitive.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
kodrat.wasono@... 24th Jul 2010
@drphysx
" they'll realize that Windows is the much more advanced operating system"
I'm administering hundreds of Ms based system and a few macs. I'm a PC guy but also own a macbook. You know what, there's never a big issue with mac. I have been doing IT since 1995 with windows, and I know very well that claiming windows is more advanced is a lie. At the time being the best MS product is not windows of any kind, but MS Exchange Server. Ms Exchange is outstanding. But other products will not survive the competition this decade. Pretty sure of it.
Remember my words. In the next 4-5 years when everybody in the world is using iPhones and iPads, Apple will announce that their products will no longer support PCs no more.

This is how they work. This is what they have been thinking since the time they started selling the first iPod. And no, it's not evil. It's Apple.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
Rahul Mulchandani 22nd Jul 2010
@Dealing
Not possible.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
Jimster480 23rd Jul 2010
@Dealing everyone in the world? The iPhone has been out 3 years and hasn't even gotten 20% of the world market. And now it is losing marketshare to Android every quarter so I'm not sure where u get Ur ideas from but maybe u should get yourself checked out.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
View from Here 23rd Jul 2010
@Dealing
I think people will remember your words, but not in the way you think. I'd bet there'd even be a chuckle along with the memory wink
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
drphysx 23rd Jul 2010
@Dealing

That will be the day when everyone throws away his iDevices.

People are not going to use OS X just because of their iDevices.

The iPhone, iPod, iPad are fine, but Windows is just so much better than OS X... people are not going to give that up.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
richardw66 23rd Jul 2010
@drphysx

But everyone I know who has got an iDevice rapidly drops their fear of Apple, and switches to Macs.

I am not making this up - the Windows users I knwo who get iPhones have gone from being afraid of Apple computers to buying one.

Like my friend who bought his wife a new PC 2 years ago, he would not take my advice and buy her a Mac then because she 'Hates Apple'. 18 months or so ago she got an iPhone, which she loves.

12 months ago her PC got impossibly slow. My friend went out and bought her an iMac.

Now she is raving about her iMac, and how much better the software she uses is when she uses it on Macs.

I have another friend who asked me what Laptop to buy - he is sick of putting up with his Dell Laptop, which is full of viruses/trojans etc. (yes it could be reased/reinstalled - I offered to do that).

I advised him to get a MacBook - he got worried about moving away from Windows - because other people use Windows. FUD was winning.

Now he has been issued with an iPhone by his new employer - and he is raving about it.

I doubt he will buy a Windows machine again.

Your statement that Windows is better than OS X is just rubbish, and people are giving up Windows, not based on any strange argument about features or fancy schmancy technology, they just are sick of slow computers making their lives difficult.

When your PC runs like a dog, who cares if some IT expert likes the memory management better than OS X, because they don't even bother to use it to find out anyway.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
richardw66 23rd Jul 2010
@Dealing

I think your statement is intended to mislead - who do you work for?

Apple has open sourced everything they can.

Apple has based their OS on Unix - which is a standard.

Far from lock-in and limits they have been making everything possible as standard and cross platform as possible.

MS are playing catch-up to Apple on the standards front, it is MS who are finally realising that they can't lock everyone in to their proprietary technology.

Apple would be stupid to lock out Windows users, as the iPod/iPad/iPhone are working to get people over the fear of Apple product, and past the lies of people like you who try to tell them that Apple products will lock you out of the Windows world.

Once people try an Apple product and find that they are not cut off from the world, and that the Apple product is so much better than their PC, they look at Macs.

I am speaking here from the experience of people I know.

And so Apple will not build a wall between Windows users and the iPad/iPod/iPhone as they are the best tool they have to gain Mac users from the Windows user base.
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iPhone and iPad are more Mac than not.
matthew_maurice 23rd Jul 2010
As iOS and the hardware that supports it grows in capabilities the divide will become narrower. OS X is fully mature, and has surely been on a kind of development cruise control, while first iPhone and then iPad reached a release stage. I predict that when the iPad gets to parity with the iPhone in regards to iOS support and integration, then then iOS and OS X will enter a stage of convergence where Apple firmly tiers its product line into a somewhat overlapping vertical that brings a seamless user experience across all three devices.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
richardw66 23rd Jul 2010
@matthew_maurice

OS X is how old now? It is mature.

I would say that OS X 10.1 was not mature - but still very good.

The iPad will be at parity with the iPhone later this year.

The user experience is fairly seamless across the iPad / iPhone now.

The only issue with the iPad / Mac integration is the file sharing. If they make that a little simpler then it will be a very nice integrated system. Being able to move between the desktop and the iPad without thinking ahead would be very nice.

I have to say I have not yet tried MobileMe for this, which I believe would be easier than without it.

But Apple products are a somewhat overlapping vertical already. With the advantage of fitting PCs into the vertical to some extent.

The OS is very much a mature overlapping vertical already, the history of the iPhone interface technology goes back to NeXT, as does the OS X interface.

The differences between the environments is about device resources and about the user's needs in different situations and with different screens etc. Everything where appropriate is the same across iPhone/iPad and Mac.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
non-biased 28th Jul 2010
@richardw66 I use MobileMe to keep my iPhone & several PCs synced and love it but don't try it just yet. With the updates to iOS, iTunes for Windows and MobileMe control panel the syncing is not working. Might be fine on a Mac but on Windows it isn't working right now and no word from Apple on it. They released another update to the control panel but that didn't do anything to help.
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Did it ever occur to Foley that the condescending attitude coming from Mac users is because of all the years of Foley telling them they're stupid for using Macs? She really has no clue why the hostility is aimed at her specifically? Why Mac users don't give her much credibility?

All she would need to do is wait a bit, tell Windows fans that she's using the iPad, and then maybe then, she'll see what we've seen in her all these years.
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Does Foley read...
godsfault 23rd Jul 2010
@ewelch this column? Apparently not or else she purposely casts a blind eye towards "the negative, hostile and condescending" attitude expressed by pc people here every day.

So, stop pissing and moaning every time a good news story or blog comes out about Apple. I've rarely gone to a pc site unless the story is about one of my Apple devices, and, when I do, I do not post a reaction because, frankly, this Apple/pc war seems juvenile...though amusing.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
richardw66 23rd Jul 2010
@ewelch

Yes - the condescending attitude comes from that - precisely.

When You put up with DOS users telling you that GUIs are for Wimps - you can't possibly take them seriously.

You especially can't take them seriously when they talk as if Word and Excel are reasons you have to use Windows - when Word and Excel are Mac software ported to windows.

The thing that is very obvious to Mac users, who usually have PC experience, is that Windows users just talk rubbish out of ignorance, and put down Mac users because they want computers to be a skill that only they have. Macs being easy to use takes away their special powers.

And after 30+ years of this rubbish I for one am sick of the lies, manipulation and insults from these ignorant and arrogant people.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
scherzva@... 23rd Jul 2010
Microsoft might of won the OS battle. I agree Win7 is decent, still not as good as OSX but it only took 15 years for Microsoft to it close. The issue is that we are moving more towards "cloud" computing to the idea of a desktop OS are going to be a thing of the past. Most people use a computer to check email, shop, or network (Facebook, LinkedIn) and a mobile device like the iPad suffices.

I am sure we will see more companies move to SaaS solutions like Salesforce in the future as well, which will make an OS like Win7, Win8 or whatever it is called then irrelevant.
As far as I can remember, Steve Jobs has always insisted on making the simplest interface possible.

Until the last few years, I was under the impression that this was done with the intention of being nice to users, especialy those who don't care about the technical part of using a computer, and those who "just want to get the job done".

But over the years OSX and Macintosh computers have evolved so much, that it can be argued these machines now offer more tweaking possibilities than Windows compatibles.

As a result OSX has become a rather complex system to operate for those who are not programmers, stearing away from Jobs' (Xerox PARC really) original concept. And as this was happening, Windows got simpler to use.

By contrast, the iOS is perfectly in tune with Jobs original vision : it's simple enough for almost anyone to use. You can't modify or tweak it much or it becomes a brick, for the very same reason that Apple wants to retain the look and feel of iOS, and wants to scare away those who can't be happy unless they crack a case open to pimp it.

But best of all, having the simplest (some will say dumbest) OS possible keeps the users well coraled. As a result, Apple ends-up with a captive bunch to whom it can sell its wares, it also makes big money on selling access to that captive market to other companies.

Contrast this with OSX, where users can do pretty what they want, not even see an Apple ad if they want to... high-maintenance users who will never be happy with what OSX has to offer, for whom there's always a need to compare with cheaper PCs.

Last but not least, there's also the fact that no matter how hard it tries, Apple will forever be locked in a niche in the computer market, while it's in a much more enviable position in the smartphone market.

So it makes sense that at one point, if staying in the pole position in the phone market becomes to demanding, Apple could just get bored of OSX and Macintoshes altogether.

I'm personally on hold to buy a new Macbook and I will not do so, until Steve Jobs himself comits to making new products for the Macintosh platform and OSX, for at least another ten years.
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I just talked to S Jobs today...
godsfault Updated - 23rd Jul 2010
@Silex and he says Apple is prepared to draw up a personal contract with Silex. "Anything he wants," Steve said.
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
james@... 23rd Jul 2010
The shame of your response is that you clearly have no experience with OSX. I would suggest you keep you mouth shut or at least point out this fact before you offer comments like window 7 is superior to OSX. I use both and can tell you that your statement is absurd. OSX is clearly a better OS. Win 7 is a hugh improvement over previous versions of Windows and I will happily give credit on that point. But to say the Apple OS is not competitive is just not true. It is truly as capable and powerful as you might require.... right down to the Unix command line. If you don't want to use it... so be it. I am sure the Microsoft will continue to sell you their OS. But stop muddling the waters for Windows users that are interested in trading up to a better computing experience. @drphysx
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RE: Apple: Still a Mac company now?
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