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Adobe and Skype top my Foistware Hall of Shame

By | April 28, 2011, 2:07pm PDT

Summary: I am sick and tired of software companies that try to make a quick buck by tricking their customers into installing programs they don’t need. It’s time to name and shame the worst purveyors of foistware out there. Adobe and Skype are at the top of my list. Can you add more nominees?

I’m in the process of rebuilding a PC here—blowing out dust, upgrading some hardware, restoring the OS to factory-new condition, and installing fresh copies of apps I use regularly.

Along the way, I keep running into a sleazy trick that some software vendors play, and I’ve finally reached the breaking point. I am sick and tired of companies that try to make a quick buck by tricking their customers into installing software they don’t need. I’m experienced enough to bypass this stuff most of the time, but many of my friends and family members aren’t. And guess who gets the call when some add-on or toolbar has slowed their system to a crawl?

I call it foistware, and I’ve decided it’s time to name and shame the worst purveyors of foistware out there.

April 29: On the basis of reader suggestions, I have updated the gallery to include three new programs: CCleaner, Foxit Reader, and RealPlayer. April 30: Added DivX.

If you’re not sure what I’m talking about, here’s my definition of foistware:

Unnecessary third-party software that is offered as part of a program’s installation and that will be installed if the user accepts the default setup options.

This category typically includes toolbars and other browser add-ons, but I have seen software makers push browsers and system utilities as well. I do not object to platform components that are required by the app, such as Adobe Air or Silverlight or the .NET Framework. That’s a necessary and related part of the program. I also don’t object if a company wants to fund its free software by offering a third-party program if they leave the installation option blank and give the user an actual, unforced choice.

[No, Apple doesn't fall into this category, because they don't deliver third-party software as part of their packages. But Cupertino is still in a league of its own. For details, see Slimming down the bloated iTunes installer, What Microsoft can teach Apple about software updates, and Apple continues to deceive users.]

Here are examples of the wrong and right way to make this sort of offer:

THE WRONG WAY

When you use Internet Explorer go to Adobe’s web site to install the Flash Player, this is what you’re offered:

Now, I’m not certain why a company the size of Adobe needs to be adding to its revenue by pushing Google’s toolbar. Maybe it’s a condition of the deal in which Google builds the Flash Player directly into Chrome. Whatever the reason, that’s their business (literally).

I do object, strenuously, to the fact that this check box is selected by default. Anyone who just clicks through the dialog boxes to install the thing—in other words, just about everyone—will wind up with the Google Toolbar installed in IE. Yes, it’s easy to remove, but it also isn’t as benign as it might seem. Privacy expert Ben Edelman of Harvard documented some serious issues with Google Toolbar last year, for example.

it shouldn’t be included as part of a default install. Oh, and give Adobe bonus “Oh no they didn’t” points for telling users “You may have to temporarily disable your antivirus software.”

THE RIGHT WAY

IZArc is a file-compression utility that I use regularly. It’s free, it’s easy to use, and it does everything I used to do with paid products like WinZip and WinRAR. As part of the installation process, it offers to install a third-party program; the program’s author is presumably paid a commission for each successful installation. In this case, the offer is for a system utility called Advanced Registry Optimizer.

Now, I hate registry optimizers. In general, I put them in the same category as snake oil, and they typically do more harm than good in the hands of inexperienced users. But IZArc has done the right thing here. They didn’t pre-select either box on my behalf. The choice is mine, and I cannot continue the installation process until I select one of these options.

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Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications.

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RE: Adobe and Skype top my Foistware Hall of Shame
danielsweb 8th Nov
@Cylon Centurion Abode takes up too much resources on the PC. Total waste
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Add itunes and Apple Software updater. I believe the first time you install Safari is checked by default!
@jatbains: Add itunes and Apple Software updater. I believe the first time you install Safari is checked by default!

And Apple releases a lot of upgrades to iTunes.
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RE: Adobe and Skype top my Foistware Hall of Shame
Pete "athynz" Athens 28th Apr 2011
@jatbains This talkback would not be complete without someone taking a jab at Apple... imagine that.

However Ed is right on in - finally - calling out ALL of the companies that do this... Apple included.
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Let's amend that
ScorpioBlue 29th Apr 2011
However Ed is right on in - finally - calling out ALL of the companies that do this... Microsoft included.
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@ScorpioBlue
If you feel the need to amend that, my guess is it's because you say that Apple doesn't do this?
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Your guess is wrong
ScorpioBlue Updated - 29th Apr 2011
Both of them do it, although as Ed said, in Apple's case it's their own crapware, not somebody else's.

Why you ask? I don't own an Apple.
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Much ado about nothing
Economister Updated - 30th Apr 2011
@athynz

I do not think Ed is "right" in most of the cases. If someone provides something of value free of charge, and STILL gives you the option of NOT installing the associated "crapware", I think they have behaved VERY reasonably. If you cannot be bothered reading/selecting the appropriate install options, then you get what you get. This blog strikes me simply as unjustified and pathetic whining.

Lets not forget the elephant in the room, MS who until they were forced by the authorities, did not even give you the option on not installing IE. Maybe Ed could point that out also.
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Lets not forget the elephant in the room, MS who until they were forced by the authorities, did not even give you the option on not installing IE. Maybe Ed could point that out also.

Good point.

And if their shills around here had their way, they'd still have it embedded. We'd be back to everybody using IE6 and see little change. 'Business' as usual.
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@athynz
However Ed is right on in - finally - calling out ALL of the companies that do this... ZDNET included.
@jatbains Totally agree with you here! I just want to view AVI's, I care nothing for iTunes. But Crapple keeps trying to get me to download it!
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@Streaks
I need Flip4Mac, from a close MS partner (it was, or it is distributed straight from MS website); so every time you try to install it it make MANDATORY to install that silverlight crapware.
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@theo_durcan

You don't have to install Silverlight with Flip4Mac, click the customize button before the install and you can make it go away.
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@jatbains

GOD yes, how could iTunes be left out? They are the WORST! I am forever fighting them off.
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Contributr
@phil.hawkins@...

I have written plenty about Apple before. I added those links to this story, in italics, just above the picture of the Flash installer.
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Itunes install:
magallanes Updated - 29th Apr 2011
@jatbains
Not optional:
-Bonjour
-Apple Mobile.
-Quicktime stand alone and ad-ins.
-Apple update.

Optional:
-Safari
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@magallanes While it's not exactly a supported means, you can download the 7-zip, open the itunes installer, and extract the MSI's. Then just run each one that you wish for independently.
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@jatbains
Plus their software does not play nice with windows machines! It completely hosed my Outlook 2003!
And what the heck does BonJour do anyway?
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@tech_ed@... I don't know either!! I think it is supposed to do something useful and important, but I'm darned if I know!
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@tech_ed@... OK, after some research on the apple site, it is networking software.
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@tech_ed@... Bonjour is like Network Magic, useless networking software. Although Apple says it is required with the newer iPods, iPhones, and iPads.
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@jatbains And when you don't install Safari, they pester you to install it on every update.
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Java seems to try this sometimes but not others - the worst I've seen is when they pre-checked to install Carbonite.
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@DaveN_MVP If you install JDK they don't really try to add anything on. If you install JRE, I think they try to get you to install Yahoo.
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Contributr
Java has cleaned up its act
Ed Bott 30th Apr 2011
@DaveN_MVP

There are no longer any unwanted installs. At least for now.
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CCleaner as well sometimes has Google warez in it's installer.
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@Cylon Centurion 0005 ... I particularly HATE Google crap being bundled, but at least CCleaner is a decent product.
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@GoodThings2Life

Google's crap finds its way into everything, sadly. I wonder how much of Chrome's market share is due to this fact.
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@Cylon Centurion 0005
Can you give a single example of something installing Chrome as foistware? Further, it order for it to contribute to market share, it would have to actually be USED by the end user. If we accept that it's typically less techie people who install foistware, then they're less likely to use Chrome, because it would involve launching a brand new program when their IE6 still works just fine.
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@p0figster:

"Can you give a single example of something installing Chrome as foistware?"

I'm not Cylon Centurion 0005, but I can give you that example: Adobe Flash will foist Google Chrome on you if you already have Google Toolbar installed, assuming, of course, that you're using Internet Explorer to install Flash.

-- Tim
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A lot less than....
Economister Updated - 30th Apr 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005

the market share of IE as a result of it historically being "integrated" into the OS, so you did not even have a choice.

Nice double standard.
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@Cylon Centurion 0005

CCleaner is another one but if you wait a few days after the update comes out, you can download the slim version under builds.

ccsetup305_slim.exe

This is a lot easier than unchecking everything to make sure nothing else gets installed. You know what is even more aggravating? It is when you uncheck the boxes (not ccleaner) and it installs it anyway. Those programs are called malware liarware.
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The last CCleaner regular update I installed yesterday, didn't have google crapware included. And this is before the slim version has been released.
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@ScorpioBlue

I would not know because I always do a manual update. You can also 7zip the executable and copy over the internal executable, (the 64 one if you have a 64 bit version of windows) to the ccleaner directory. I like to keep the executable on hand to cleanup customers computers. Part of a anti-malware library on the thumb drive.
@osreinstall ... and they won't have come from the real Google, either. Get them from Google and nothing is pre-selected except the must-have stuff.
Much as I might dislike Google, they do a lot of things right.
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@osreinstall
No, it's the regular full .exe version. Didn't see it in there.

Maybe they got wise.
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@tom@...

I get the installer from Piriform. Don't see the Google version free from Google. I will check it out.

@ScorpioBlue

Maybe I was optimistic on the time. It will eventually show up. The portable version is there and it is a zip file.

http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download/portable

Just downloaded it, extracted it, and there is no Googleware.
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Kind of ironic isn't it?
ye 28th Apr 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005: CCleaner as well sometimes has Google warez in it's installer.
@Cylon Centurion Abode takes up too much resources on the PC. Total waste
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I have a list of offenders...
GoodThings2Life 28th Apr 2011
1) Adobe ... why do I need their download manager to download a 10MB file? Why does it then try to shove Google Toolbar down my throat? They also used to shove some sort of Symantec AV cleaner down your throat.

2) Apple ... why do they install Apple Software Updates even if I UNCHECK the option to install it? You give me a choice, now RESPECT IT!

3) Java Runtime ... Yeah, they also bundle Google toolbar now (since Oracle bought Sun). All I can say is WTF?! Why does a company of Oracle's stature need this as a revenue source?

It really comes down to this... Browser Toolbars are ALWAYS crap. I don't want them. I don't need them. Vendors who shove them on users can go "F" themselves! (Please pardon the expression.)

I do understand it when it's a small business offering free software, but when you're a big corporation making billions on high-end products like Adobe, Apple, and Oracle, you deserve a special spot in Hell for this nonsense.
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@GoodThings2Life I am guessing the kickback they are getting is not that small because there are millions of users installing their products.
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@GoodThings2Life: When installing Flash I always click cancel on their download manager crap, click the troubleshooting link and eventually you can download just the plugin.

Why do they make it so complicated? I really don't need the Adobe Download Manager also installed just to install Flash.

I completely agree about Apple Software Updates. You choose not to install Safari, MobileMe etc... but each time you check for iTunes updates you have to remember to untick them again!

I also agree about browser toolbars. They 100% of the time just waste space, consume resources and offer nothing of value you cannot get elsewhere but better.
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RE: Adobe and Skype top my Foistware Hall of Shame
ScorpioBlue Updated - 29th Apr 2011
I completely agree about Apple Software Updates. You choose not to install Safari, MobileMe etc... but each time you check for iTunes updates you have to remember to untick them again!

The last update I did to iTunes (Windows version) had Safari and MobileMe unticked by default.

Maybe they changed their tune? wink
@GoodThings2Life
Had a call from a user about their browser being "too thin". They had installed so many toolbars the remaining browser space was 2-inch slit at the bottom. It was like viewing the internet while driving a tank.
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@kenift I bet it moves like a tank too. I always try removing as much crap as I can from users' machines. You don't need these toolbars and the browser will be much faster without them.
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@kenift

Do you mean something like this???

http://www.woosk.com/2008/08/friends-dont-let-friends-use-ie.html
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@fatman65535 ... yeah, exactly like that, except that it's not just IE anymore... Google and Chrome also have just as many toolbar addons available now.
@kenift ... I wonder; did you just covertly delete them all, or show the user how to do that? Or did you just turn them off and explain it to the user so the user could decide which ones he'd like to turn on. They CAN be useful to some people, not others.
Anyone that made a unilateral decision to remove ANYTHING from my machine without my permission would find themselves roundly chastised. Ask me frst and I might agree with the reason.
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RE: Adobe and Skype top my Foistware Hall of Shame
ColinABQ Updated - 28th Apr 2011
And yet, if Adobe has stopped offering McAfee stuff in their installer downloads (on an opt-our basis, of course), perhaps we should celebrate. Just a little. Okay, that's enough.
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@ColinABQ:

Adobe still offers McAfee Security Scan Plus if you have Google Toolbar and Chrome installed. So they're still offering it; they've just shoved two other programs up the preferences stack.

A bit more from me below, if you're interested.

-- Tim
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All of the software companies are shameless
terry flores 28th Apr 2011
They use deceitful tactics like these plus more. I also have much experience with software that:

1- does not even tell you other software is being installed
2- installs add-ons even if they are unchecked
3- improperly cleans up after installation
4- prevents deinstallation
5- hijacks browser and registry settings.

These "reputable" companies are using tactics that would make a used-car salesman blush. I don't know why the public and the courts accept this kind of behavior at all.

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