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AT&T's business model: why your mobile bill keeps going up

By | November 13, 2010, 10:46am PST

Summary: Do mobile carriers want to sell you a phone? Only if you’re a heavy data user, what the industry calls a “high-quality integrated device subscriber.” And if you want to get accepted into that club, be prepared to pay.

In my latest post on the Windows Phone 7 update brouhaha, I wrote one paragraph that I thought was perfectly uncontroversial:

Carriers don’t want to sell you a new phone. They want you to pay them a monthly bill, preferably a big one with a full data plan and a bunch of add-on services. New phones cost them money, in the form of subsidies they pay the handset maker in exchange for getting you to agree to a two-year contract to pay that big monthly bill. You pay off that subsidy over the life of your contract. When the contract is up, your carrier is perfectly happy if you keep paying the big bill.

I have now received a handful of e-mails and comments, most of them anonymous or using fake return addresses, from people telling me they think that my belief is “clueless” and “stupid” or that they heard someone else say that.

Well, the anonymity makes it impossible to continue the discussion directly. And playing the “stupid and clueless” card as part of your opening statement is not exactly a conventional debate tactic.

But I think the discussion is worth having, so let me add a few nuggets of good solid evidence for my argument. Mobile carriers want to ratchet up your bill by getting you to use high-margin data services. And that’s not just my opinion; it’s right there in published documents from one of the world’s biggest carriers, AT&T.

AT&T is Microsoft’s most prominent partner for Windows Phone devices in the United States so far, and the company has an exclusive partnership with Apple in the U.S. AT&T moves a lot of product for a lot of handset makers. This official statement from June 2009, part of AT&T’s iPhone 3GS Frequently Asked Questions document, is refreshingly candid. I’ve boldfaced the interesting sections:

AT&T, like most U.S. carriers, offers a variety of phones that we sell below our actual cost when customers agree to sign service agreements. In general, the more a customer spends with us, the quicker they become eligible for a price break on a new device. For example, iPhone customers who spend more than $99 a month per line with us generally are eligible for an upgrade between 12 and 18 months into their contract. [emphasis added]

They sell the phone for below cost. The difference between the price you pay and the price they pay is a subsidy. They guarantee that they’ll collect that subsidy by charging you an early termination fee if you try to back out of your contract before it officially ends. And you can’t get a new subsidized phone until you’ve worked off the subsidy on your current phone. (In practice, few people pay the ETF. AT&T says their churn rate, or the percentage of customers leaving for other providers, was 1.32% in the most recent quarter, and it was even lower for the smartphone category.)

A little later in the same document, they cover the case of customers who still have a year left on their two-year contract:

Q. What about customers who bought in July, August, or September 2008 but don’t spend over $99 a month?

A. We value the business of all our customers. Getting a new subsidized device is based on several factors including monthly recurring charges and having an account in good financial standing. In general, the more you spend with us, the less time you have to wait to get another device. This is a very fair system. That said, we do offer early upgrade pricing only for iPhone for those customers who don’t want to wait. [emphasis added]

You can find similar evidence if you look in AT&T’s financial statements, which talk about the value of “high-quality integrated device subscribers.” Those are what the fast-food industry calls “heavy users.” In this case, they love you if you spend over $99 per month and use lots of data. They love you today even if you’re using an iPhone 3G whose contract has expired.

In the just-ended third quarter, AT&T reported “record integrated device sales,” including, one would imagine, many iPhones of the 3GS and 4 persuasions. Again, I’ve boldfaced the interesting part

More than 8 million postpaid integrated devices were activated in the third quarter, the most quarterly activations ever. More than 80 percent of postpaid sales were integrated devices. (Integrated devices are handsets with QWERTY or virtual keyboards in addition to voice functionality and are a key driver of wireless data usage.) [emphasis added]

A little later in the report, under the heading “Wireless Margins,” the company notes that activating all those new integrated devices resulted in “increased operating costs.” However, the report notes that “growth in the company’s high-quality integrated device subscribers helped partially offset these costs.” In other words, they have more people spending $99 per month or more per device.

Those specific statements are from AT&T, but you can apply the basic business model to every successful modern carrier. Update: In its just-concluded Q3 2010 financial results, Verizon bragged that its average revenue per user (ARPU) for data services was up 19.0% over the past year. The ARPU overall was up a mere 1.8%. As that example makes clear, getting you to pay for more data is where the carriers see financial growth. (And as an aside, it’s going to get worse as carriers try to steer people into data plans with bandwidth limits, just as mobile media is beginning to take off. Keep an eye on that discussion in future financial statements from these companies.)

To repeat: Carriers don’t care about the phone, except to the extent it allows you to use more of their services. They care about your bill, which is based on how much you use that phone. So, if you and I buy the same subsidized smartphone today, what will happen a year or 18 months from now? That depends. If you’re a cheapskate on the bare-minimum data plan, you’re not going to be offered an early upgrade discount. But if you’ve signed up for the top-of-the-line unlimited voice and data and text package, you’ll probably get offered a special deal to upgrade.

This is why I’m still unconvinced by the argument that carriers will decide to block Microsoft from delivering updates to some devices. Every single current-generation Windows Phone being sold is an integrated device capable of using gobs of data. If you’ve got one of those devices, AT&T and its fellow carriers want you to use it more, not less.

Update: In the Talkback section, Orcmid makes an astute observation:

I also think that Microsoft is going to help with those products, and it is going to help by the superb quality of consistent service that every WP7 user will be able to call upon. As I unwrap my HD7, I see it in how Amazon Cellular is able to support discounts and the initial experience consistently for all of the Windows Phones it sells. I can see how this frees the carriers from having to provide increased support for the flexibility (and possible mess-ups) that users of expanded services may require, since so much of it can be in the common on-line support and buddy support that is growing around the WP7, from first-time users to developers.

This may be different than developers-developers-developers (but maybe not), but Microsoft as providing a consistent experience and an integration gateway between devices, applications, users and now carriers may have even better magic than what was accomplished in making the PC safe and appealing for users, manufacturers, and developers.

That didn’t dawn on me until I started scrutinizing the purchase, delivery, and open-the-box experience of my HD7 acquisition. It will be interesting to watch.

That ties in very neatly with a conversation I had with a senior Microsoft executive back in June, before the first developer models of the Windows Phone had been released. This statement makes more sense in retrospect:

One of the important changes is who we think of as our customer. Previously, you could argue that we thought about the mobile handset and the operator and eventually the customer. Our primary customer now is the person using the phone.

There’s no question in my mind that Microsoft is trying to remove that layer of friction by relieving carriers of the significant headaches of updates and support. Time will tell whether customers notice.

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RE: AT&T's business model: why your mobile bill keeps going up
cgeier77 27th Jan
@Ed Bott While I agree with your premise that maintaining a current user in his current phone with a data plan makes the most financial sense for the carrier. For some reason that same carrier is in no rush to support that money making phone with updates. They just don't seem to be interested in providing the updates except for Apple products which for some reason seem to get a pass from all the carriers. I believe that is the reason for the difference between what the "Podcaster" is saying and what I percieve to be a reasonable economic analysis.

I do listen to the podcaster I believe you are refering to and both of you make good points. I keep relatively informed about the status of updates on WP7 and AT&T (even as the premier partner), seems to drag their feet on each one. This is especially troubling since MS more or less sucessfully does a lot of the testing for the carrier. Yet I have not seen any indication that the gen 1 windows phones are going to get the updates soon. Not to mention discussion on Tango or Appolo being applied to gen 1 devices (of course that is the OEMs choice as well).
Here's my theory, from doing some work with alternative long-distance carriers too many years ago. The product of the service providers is your bill. Yes there is a network, there is capital investment, but the product is the billing plan. I completely support Ed's take on this.

I also think that Microsoft is going to help with those products, and it is going to help by the superb quality of consistent service that every WP7 user will be able to call upon. As I unwrap my HD7, I see it in how Amazon Cellular is able to support discounts and the initial experience consistently for all of the Windows Phones it sells. I can see how this frees the carriers from having to provide increased support for the flexibility (and possible mess-ups) that users of expanded services may require, since so much of it can be in the common on-line support and buddy support that is growing around the WP7, from first-time users to developers.

This may be different than developers-developers-developers (but maybe not), but Microsoft as providing a consistent experience and an integration gateway between devices, applications, users and now carriers may have even better magic than what was accomplished in making the PC safe and appealing for users, manufacturers, and developers.

That didn't dawn on me until I started scrutinizing the purchase, delivery, and open-the-box experience of my HD7 acquisition. It will be interesting to watch.

[And I continue to think that it was brilliant to go worldwide after GSM devices first.]
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Is this a joke?
ABR2195 Updated - 13th Nov 2010
I find it very strange that anyone would contest what Ed is saying, he shouldn't have to prove his statements because they are fact (or so I was under the impression they were). Do people honestly believe that carriers sell phones at cheaper prices than retail "just because" and that carriers don't want you to have big bills? Those ideas simply aren't true, cellular carriers are businesses, after all.

Ed, thank you for your response but I am not sure you should have even bothered (no offense). Anyone who is ignorant enough to contest this sort of common knowledge is clearly unscathed by facts and logic.

If I'm missing the point I apologize, but honestly I hope I am. I was a bit shocked by the fact that you would have to argue this point at all.
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That's all I know. wink
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How disappointing
ABR2195 14th Nov 2010
@Ed Bott
The stupidity the internet is capable of fostering is truly amazing, I would be interested in finding this podcast to see what other incredibly valuable insights the person hosting it has to offer.

Although I will hand it to you Ed, you blog never fails to impress in my eyes.
@Ed Bott When the trilateral commission reconvenes he'll be all over that as well.

On the logical next step seems the carriers have to be thinking about what happens when a decent quality dual-mode phone is available they have to compete on service and price - basically disintermediated pipe services. I think this will be very good for consumers as competition, if left to true market forces, will drive prices lower and quality/speeds up.
@Ed Bott While I agree with your premise that maintaining a current user in his current phone with a data plan makes the most financial sense for the carrier. For some reason that same carrier is in no rush to support that money making phone with updates. They just don't seem to be interested in providing the updates except for Apple products which for some reason seem to get a pass from all the carriers. I believe that is the reason for the difference between what the "Podcaster" is saying and what I percieve to be a reasonable economic analysis.

I do listen to the podcaster I believe you are refering to and both of you make good points. I keep relatively informed about the status of updates on WP7 and AT&T (even as the premier partner), seems to drag their feet on each one. This is especially troubling since MS more or less sucessfully does a lot of the testing for the carrier. Yet I have not seen any indication that the gen 1 windows phones are going to get the updates soon. Not to mention discussion on Tango or Appolo being applied to gen 1 devices (of course that is the OEMs choice as well).
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If I am not mistaken,
Jared Neale 13th Nov 2010
isn't what the Telcos do called Socialism? Spreading the costs evenly among subscribers and non-subscribers to fully offset their costs and the costs of certain high-usage customers. It seems to work for them....they seem not to ever have a problem balancing their budgets. Just saying...
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You are mistaken.
msalzberg 13th Nov 2010
@Jared Neale

Look up 'socialism' in a dictionary.

What the telcos are doing is called 'capitalism.'
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What msalzberg said
frgough 13th Nov 2010
but let me help you. You see, the cell phone provider has to PERSUADE you to GIVE them your money. They do this by offering GOODS, SERVICES, and INCENTIVES (like a price break on a new phone). That's CAPITALISM and its core tenet is your individual FREEDOM to do with your MONEY as YOU see fit.

Now, in socialism, the STATE decides when you have too much money, and TAKES it from you by FORCE. The STATE then takes YOUR money and gives it to people the STATE deems more worthy than you to have it, in order to create a DEPENDENT class of people perpetually OBLIGATED to the STATE. This is SOCIALISM and is the ANTITHESIS of FREEDOM.

Got it?
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In one aspect, the do want to sell you a new phone.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 13th Nov 2010
I agree, they want you to continue to pay the same bill after your penalty phase expires, no question. That said, they do want to sell you a phone and will push for one because they love predictability. Few break their contracts, it is a guaranteed and accountable revenue stream. This allows them to predict and plan expenditures more readily.

Specifically, it reduces churn when you lock/entice a customer to commit. The more prepaid or pay as you go customers you have, the harder it is to predict revenue.

TripleII
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Ed Bott 13th Nov 2010
@TripleII A free agent is a telco's worst nightmare. That's why they start sending the incentives for contract extensions a little before your contract expires, or well before in the case of oe of those high-value customers.
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Some people just HAVE to complain.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 13th Nov 2010
@Ed Bott
If you were rich and simply gave out 100 $100 bills to 100 random people, 90 would be happy, 3 would be suspicious, and 7 would complain with reason's varying from begin offended "Do I look like I NEED your charity" to "You are evil because you didn't give it to a registered charity". grin

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@Ed Bott
Too true.
One of the four lines on my plan is data and once my "time" was up, they have been sending "offers" like crazy...

chuckle
Note also that after we reach the end of the 2 year contract (was 1 year for my first two phones), they do not reduce your monthly bill. The part of the charge that was for paying off the subsidy now goes straight to the bottom line.

Do they want you to buy a new phone after you get to the off-contract state? Yes for sure if the new phone will drive you to a higher-cost plan; yes anyhow if they think you might be intested in someone else's phone.

At least the ETF now declines a bit over the life of the contract. That's a new feature...about a year ago one of the carriers did that as a competitive talking point and the FCC told the industry what a good idea it was. (I'm not sure whether the commission mandated or suggested strongly.)

And then the ETF escalated by $75 to $100 at the start.

If you're buying a juicy enough phone plus contract from a new carrier, some of the carriers will pay your ETF on the old carrier for you. I'm guessing that doesn't apply to third party stores. I'm guessing Verizon--if the alleged Verizon iPhone is real sometime--will do that a few months after they start carrying the mythical Verizon iPhone. (Not right away--they'll get plenty of jumpers early on.)
Along these lines, I'm curious as to whether AT&T will create a middle tier price for iPhone users who want to jump to Windows Phone before having "earned" the full new-device subsidy. (I skipped iPhone 3G, so I didn't have to use that tier...and I had decided to pay for a no-contract 3Gs if I did jump.)
@John Baxter
Depends on the contract and what plan you are currently on.
For both the 3GS and i4, ATT offered me full discount to upgrade to any smartphone at the 1yr mark. It was integrated into the iphone offer.

FOr a smartphone, it doesn't really pay to buy your own unless you plan on switching. The plan costs the same and you have just paid a lot more for your phone.
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Verizon extra charges are worst than AT&T (not by a lot).

Singleling out AT&T on this issue is ignoring the abuse by pretty much ALL the carriers.
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I'm not singling anyone out
Ed Bott 13th Nov 2010
@wackoae I'm using AT&T as an example of the business model. All of the carriers have a similar model.
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In that case why single out a company?
wackoae Updated - 13th Nov 2010
Using AT&T as an example is simply saying that the others don't have the same issue when in fact they do ... and in some cases are worst.
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It's. An. Example.
Ed Bott 13th Nov 2010
@wackoae

That means it is typical of others. I'm sure I could go find examples in Verizon documents saying similar things. It shouldn't be necessary.
@Ed Bott

While I understand what you're saying, your piece doesn't leave the reader with the impression that you're just using AT&T "as an example."

It shouldn't have been necessary for you to clarify this; it should have been noted in the piece itself.
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How much more clear could I be?
Ed Bott 13th Nov 2010
"Those specific statements are from AT&T, but you can apply the basic business model to every successful modern carrier. "
more egregious than AT&T, with their lockdown of phone features and nickel and dime-ing you to death. Oh. Wait. AT&T sells the iPhone. Got it. Nevermind.
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Ed Bott Updated - 13th Nov 2010
@frgough

No, AT&T is the premier partner for Windows Phone and the exclusive partner for iPhone in the US. I also use both of those devices. So it seemed appropriate.

Do I need to type slower so you can understand?
Oh. Wait. AT&T sells the iPhone.

frgough is such an idiot. As you pointed out, AT&T is also the WP7 premium partner. frgough's first though whenever he reads anything though is: Is this item 110% pro Apple? No? Then it is 110% anti-Apple and I'm going to make a fuss.
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@wackoae Maybe it's just me but I figured out that Ed was using AT&T as an example rather than saying AT&T is the only one doing this.
@wackoae
Sorry wack - if you read, I mean really read Ed's article it is pretty darn clear AT&T is an example...

chuckle
@wackoae
I have them both (don't ask) and Verizon's pricing is pretty much the exact same as AT&T's. And so is Sprint and T-Mobile....
so they use a phone as an incentive to get you to spend more money, but they don't want to sell you a phone...

Reminds me of Vecini in the Princess Bride. "Just wait till I get going!"
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You are such an idiot
NonZealot 13th Nov 2010
@frgough
but they don't want to sell you a phone...

Why don't you actually read what Ed wrote which was that they don't want to sell you a new phone. Once you've purchased your phone and an AT&T plan, there is absolutely no incentive for AT&T to sell you a new phone 1, 2, or 3 years later. Actually read what was written instead of what you guess Steve Jobs wants you read. The funny thing is that Steve Jobs probably wouldn't even disagree with a single thing Ed wrote.
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They sell the phone at a loss
Ed Bott 14th Nov 2010
@frgough Companies don't normally like to sell products for less than they paid for them. If they do it lpng enough, they go out of business. In this case, they make up that subsidy with ever-increasing data prices. And the subsidies vary depending on how much you spend.

Just for you, I went and found some data from VZW to establish that they do the same thing. You happy now?
I'd have to agree with you on this Ed. My wife and I have been with Cingular/AT&T for a little over 10 years now and being a gadget freak our bills always run on the high side. I know that we have generally been notified we qualified for an upgrade anywhere from 6 to 8 months prior to our 2yr commitment ends. Just last week I had another pleasant surprise. I went in to upgrade from my old WinMo 6.5 device to the new WP7 Samsung Focus. I was all set to pay the $199 but as the transaction was being ringed up the system came back with something to the effect of, "Thanks for being just a great customer" discount and took $100 off the bill.

The end result for them is I'm now "hooked" for another 2 years and I'm loving the Focus so you can bet I'll be racking up the data usage $'s. Although I may not be as lucrative as the next guy for them as I'm on the grandfathered "unlimited" data plan.
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RE: AT&T's business model: why your mobile bill keeps going up
fone connoisseur Updated - 14th Nov 2010
Ed's right.

A plan on AT&T will run $134.99 a month, or $3269 over the 24 month contract period. Over 24 months, you can save almost 30% or $1,080 by going to prepaid with an unlocked phone. It's amounts to some serious bread!

I know it doesn't work for everyone, but it's a fresh approach to see a major company offer these types of choices. I hope this model becomes more common because it helps to realize the "true value" and distinguish between both the phone and contract.
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RE: AT&T's business model: why your mobile bill keeps going up
fone connoisseur Updated - 14th Nov 2010
I want to post an update. It also looks like that other company's plans expired because now they changed the website around and rolled rate plans without phone programs into prepaid. This is a disappointment. Any way you look at it, the contract plans are still expensive over two years. Me thinks it may be the cost of managing billable services at a granduar level, or the carrier/handset revenue partnership that can be forged with a contract customer. It seems that if people want a subsidized phone, they will pay substantially more in the long haul.

So, I ran the numbers again under what is called "Prepaid service" now. For $70 a month (actually 9.99 less than yesterday) one carrier offers unlimited minutes, text, picture, roaming, long distance and 2GB/mo. It's still less than Verizon ($124.99/mo with data) and AT&T (74.99 but supports a max of 200MB of data) Very interesting economics. The interesting one is Cricket which does a prepaid model exclusively. That's only $55 a month with data services.
My wife and I are done with big phone companies with big phone bills. We found a great alternative through Cricket which offers unlimited everything for $49 a month, no hidden fees or anything. Besides the lack of coverage outside of our city, we have had zero issues with our service with them, but of course we were tracking the coverage areas before we switched over. It just makes me wonder why Att and Verizon get away with offering the same data plans at 3 times the cost, but as long as people have to have the newest smartphone thats out, they know they will continue jack the prices up every 6 months or so. What really did for us was when one of our "smart" phones went out, I had to resort to using a 4 yr old Palm Pre which Att told me was still considered a smartphone which required the more expensive data plan, I said NO WAY, you've got to be kidding right? But sure enough it was all just another way for them to get me to buy into a iPhone or something similar. I really wish the federal gov't would regulate the amount these carriers can actually charge for these data plans, but that's never going to happen.
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@charlesdjones1

Thanks for the tip! I checked out Cricket as you mentioned and they seem the most straightforward. $129 for an android phone and $55 a month is very impressive, so thanks for the tip and I'll give them a whirl. I also ran sample savings with Cricket.

They will run $55 a month in my area, or $1320 over 24 months versus AT&T's $139 a month or $3239 over 24 months. This is a savings of around 55% or $1919 over two years.
@fone connoisseur, that really puts things in perspective when you write it out like that, for me and my wife that comes out to $3838 over two years that att isn't going to get of my money now. I hope the service is working out for you, some areas its spotty at best.
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@fone connoisseur, that really puts things in perspective when you put it like that, for me and my wife that comes out to $3838 over two years that att isn't going to get of my money now. I hope the service is working out for you, some areas its spotty at best. thankfully at our house we have full bars.
@charlesdjones1

Charles, while I am happy to jump on the AT&T bandwagon (to illustrate your point I am only there for the iPhone, which I love), some of your points need clarification. First, I am assuming you meant a Palm TREO, not a Pre, as the Pre just came out last year and would OBVIOUSLY be considered a smart device which pulls a lot of data.

Second, my understanding of the beauty of SIM cards is that you can stick them in just about anything either locked to the same particular carrier, OR unlocked. So really, if you don't want to pay for smartphone service, I think you could just as well tell them it was some Nokia feature phone and they'd be none the wiser. Of course, the onus would be on YOU to disable any data features the phone might try to use once active, or it could result in a far heftier bill than you would have seen from the service alone.
@Playdrv4me, ur right, it wasn't the Pre, it was the 3 1/2 year old Centro which by todays standards is far from being a smartphone. and ur right about att phones using sim cards, and yes i could take the lesser plan with the centro but i am happy with having everything at less than half of what i was paying before.
@Playdrv4me, ur right, it wasn't the Pre, it was the 3 1/2 year old Centro which by todays standards is far from being a smartphone. and ur right about att phones using sim cards, and yes i could take the lesser plan with the centro but i am happy with having everything at less than half of what i was paying before.
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Ed, for someone who is reportedly "clueless", I'd have to say those are some pretty hard facts. I'd love to hear how your buddy Paul would attempt to refute this information. It's too bad you don't guest on TWiT more often, because this is getting good.
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They have to invite me first
Ed Bott 14th Nov 2010
@Playdrv4me

I'd be happy to debate this issue on Paul's show, but he seems content to debate straw men.
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Leo is not a straw man
webdev511@... 14th Nov 2010
@Ed Bott
LOL Ed, Leo isn't a straw man and I don't think Paul would try to refute this. I doubt that it's at the top of his list of things to talk about.

What I do find interesting is the idea that two years down the road, AT&T or any other carrier might block updates for devices that are two years old, but then again since they make more money if you DO NOT buy a new phone they should be content in letting you update your old phone as long as you want, well provided they can still push their extra billable widgets on you.
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@webdev511

On the latest episode of WW, he seems more than willing to call my point of view "clueless." And he spent an unusual amount of time talking about the subject without ever mentioning anyone who disagrees with him. Just "some people say..." That's called a straw man.
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Ed Bott Updated - 14th Nov 2010
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Traditionally, Carriers have been held hostage by MS
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 14th Nov 2010
And, indirectly, that places the customer at a disadvantage as well.

That has all changed with Android and the Apache Software License and carriers are quite happy with the current arrangement. They get to control when software changes occur and I understand that. Seems to me, so are the customers. That is reasonable.

If you don't like that, then you still have the option of buying a fully unlocked version of your favorite Android phone and you can wait for the OEM version of Android as updates occur. I might add you can do just about anything you want with an unlocked Android, unlike WP7 phones.

Android cellphone sales are eclipsing the competition.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate - Dude. Seriously ... I know you have an abject hatred of Microsoft, but sometimes you leap into the pool of insanity with both feet. This is one of those cases.

Most carriers offered one, perhaps two Windows Mobile phones along with Nokias, Palms, Blackberries and more recently, iPhones and Androids.

The number of Windows Mobile phones offered by carriers were dwarfed by the number of featurephones and alternative smartphones. Indeed, until iPhone came along, Windows Mobile only ever reached some 23% of the smartphone market.

So, no, carriers were not being held hostage by MS. Not even close.

In FACT, the carriers previously prevented MS from delivering updates to Windows Mobile handsets. The only way to get your phone updated was to plug it into your PC ... which VERY few phone users did.

Oh ... and FWIW, most carriers hate having to deliver handset updates and support because it costs them a small fortune. Most carriers would MUCH rather deliver handsets running an OS which has the cellular networking code (cell-core) nicely separated from the rest of the platform so that it can be updated and tested independently. This way, when the cell-core works as required, there's little for the carrier to need to update and test.

If the handset and/or OS vendor agrees to perform all maintenance, updates and support for the handset/OS, then the carrier is even happier still since they now have a VERY low cost of operation and handsets with increasing functionality which in turn results in more customers paying higher monthly fees for more high-margin services such as data.

Blackberry proved this, Apple proved this and now Microsoft is entering the market with a similar approach.

In the meantime, the carriers will increasingly feel the pain of having to support and update multiple versions of Android over multiple versions of multiple handsets each with their own architectural differences. That cost is going to drive a lot of profit out of Android product lines.
Ed, I think the point is they do make money on the sale a new handset before the contract has expired / reached discount. That's when you pay full price. Blocking an update could enable them to do just that. Eg, buying iPhone 4G less than 12 months after 3GS means paying full price (and a lot of people did that). They do make money on those sales.
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Ed Bott Updated - 14th Nov 2010
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The examples I used were from the specific period when the iPhone 3GS was introduced. AT&T specifically gave discounts to its best (highest-revenue) customers. It's not the phone, it's the user. Why is that so hard to understand?

Anyway, you've got the economics wrong. Let's assume Apple sells AT&T a new 16GB iPhone for $399. They sell that to new customers or those eligible for upgrades for $199. That's a $200 subsidy they recoup over time. If I'm not eligible for an upgrade, I have to pay $399 AND sign a new two-year contract. AT&T does not sell iPhones with no-commitment prices. The Apple Store will sell you that phone on a no-commitment basis for $599. Either way, Apple gets the profit, not AT&T.

The carriers might make some money on the phones, but that's not their business model. The handset makers are the ones trying to make profits on their devices. The carriers use them as a way to get customers to pay large monthly bills.

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