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Defective McAfee update causes worldwide meltdown of XP PCs

By | April 21, 2010, 2:02pm PDT

Summary: Oops, they did it again. Early this morning, McAfee released an update to its antivirus definitions for corporate customers that mistakenly deleted a crucial Windows XP file, sending systems into a reboot loop and requiring tedious manual repairs. It’s not the first strike for the company, either. I’ve got details.

[Update, April 22. More details in my follow-up post, McAfee admits "inadequate" quality control caused PC meltdown.]

Oops, they did it again.

At 6AM today, McAfee released an update to its antivirus definitions for corporate customers that had a slight problem. And by “slight problem,” I mean the kind that renders a PC useless until tech support shows up to repair the damage manually. As I commented on Twitter earlier today, I’m not sure any virus writer has ever developed a piece of malware that shut down as many machines as quickly as McAfee did today.

Here’s how the SANS Internet Storm Center describes the screw-up:

McAfee’s “DAT” file version 5958 is causing widespread problems with Windows XP SP3. The affected systems will enter a reboot loop and [lose] all network access. We have individual reports of other versions of Windows being affected as well. However, only particular configurations of these versions appear affected. The bad DAT file may infect individual workstations as well as workstations connected to a domain. The use of “ePolicyOrchestrator”, which is used to update virus definitions across a network, appears to have [led] to a faster spread of the bad DAT file. The ePolicyOrchestrator is used to update “DAT” files throughout enterprises. It can not be used to undo this bad signature because affected system will lose network connectivity.

The problem is a false positive which identifies a regular Windows binary, “svchost.exe”, as “W32/Wecorl.a”, a virus.

McAfee now has its own KnowledgeBase page posted, with details about the problem and the fix. The symptoms are described, tersely, as “Blue screen or DCOM error, followed by shutdown messages after updating to the 5958 DAT on April 21, 2010.”

Update: Engadget’s Nilay Patel quotes a statement from McAfee downplaying the impact on consumers:

The faulty update has been removed from McAfee download servers for corporate users, preventing any further impact on those customers. We are not aware of significant impact on consumer customers and believe we have effectively limited such occurrence.

That’s bad news for McAfee. Corporate customers are likely to tally up the one-day cost of fixing this damage (or multiple days, if Engadget’s report of tens of thousands of affected PCs within single companies is accurate), and they’re likely conclude that it’s time to find a new supplier of security software. At the very least, McAfee is going to have a lot of explaining to do at contract renewal time.

McAfee says it has already replaced the faulty virus definitions with an updated set, so if you update your definitions using the most recent set you will not encounter this issue. The company’s official recommendation for repairing the damage involves copying Svchost.exe from a working system and manually copying it to an affected system. The McAfee technical bulletin doesn’t include details about how to get to a command prompt on a system that’s been temporarily bricked. (Using an XP installation disk allows a tech support professional to boot to a recovery environment and copy the necessary files from a command prompt. The good folks at BleepingComputer.com have published a tutorial that explains the process. Third party recovery tools also provide access to the file system from command-line environments.) This sort of repair is not a job for end users, certainly, and generally requires a skilled support professional.

Update 2: An e-mail correspondent from a large U.S. company  (see full text at end of this post) says that multiple files in addition to Svchost.exe mght be affected and claims that simply replacing Svchost.exe might not be enough to repair the damage. I’m still looking to confirm this report.

Update 3, 22-Apr: McAfee has released a repair tool it calls the SuperDAT Remediation Tool. Details are on this page. Running this tool is still a manual process that requires booting from portable media and running the executable file, in safe mode if necessary. 

Now, it is hard to imagine picking a more crucial file to torpedo. Svchost.exe is one of the most crucial of all Windows system files. It hosts the services that make just about every OS function possible. As the symptoms described here suggest, Windows simply won’t start if Svchost.exe isn’t there.

The bigger question is how on earth an update like this ever made it out of the testing lab and onto a production server. This should have been caught at the very beginning of the testing process.

Unfortunately, though, this isn’t the first time McAfee has had a screw-up like this. Back in 2009, when the Conficker worm was making the rounds, I took a close look at how McAfee was handling its response to the new threat and was appalled at the sloppy, error-ridden documents they published for consumers and IT professionals. Here’s what I wrote at the time:

Security is serious business, and details matter. When a company as large as McAfee is this sloppy with its public response to a high-profile issue, it makes you wonder how tightly the engineering, development, and support sides of the business are being operated.

Now we know.

Ironically, one company that was apparently affected by this issue is Intel, which was identified by the New York Times. It’s the second major security headache for Intel in six months, following a widely publicized breach of its systems in China around New Year’s. (Intel acknowledged the “recent and sophisticated incident [that] occurred in January 2010″ in its 10-K report filed with the SEC earlier this year.)

If you’ve been affected by this issue, leave a comment in the Talkback section, I’ll add further details as I come across them.

Update: I’m beginning to hear directly from people who were affected by this coloassal screw-up. One correspondent says he just fixed over 300 PCs: “Looked so much like Blaster from way back. Horrible clean up too as no network access. Moving clients to something with more centralized control ASAP.”

A report from a university IT pro says 1200 PCs on his network were knocked out.

Another e-mail from an IT pro at a large U.S. company says that “hundreds of users” in his organization were impacted:

This issue affected a large number of users and is not resolved by simply replacing svchost.exe.  You must boot to safe mode, then installl the extra.dat, then manually run the vscan console.  You then remove the quarantined files.  All users had at least two and some had up to 15.  Unfortunately, using this method, you have no way to determine if some of the files you are restoring are vital system files or virus files.

I’m still hoping to get confirmation from Intel, where at least one anonymous source says “tens of thousands of PCs” were hit.

A report from Australia says 10% of the cash registers at the country’s largest supermarket chain were knocked out, forcing the closure of 14-18 stores.

Via e-mail, I’ve heard firsthand reports from people who had to manually repair PCs at some very large corporations and arms of the U.S. military.

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RE: Defective McAfee update causes worldwide meltdown of XP PCs
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Yeah yeah, we know. Windows blah blah blah, Apple blah blah blah, Linux great. So what's new?
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Apple?
Asiafish 21st Apr 2010
There is no McAfee for Apple, and none is needed. There is no
svchost.exe for Apple, and none is needed. Oh, your just one of those
Linux-zealots who spews Linux, Linux, Linux everywhere hoping that
people won't notice the lack of key industry standard applications, the
requirement for geek-knowledge to make anything work and that the
free apps may be substitutes, but sure aren't replacements for the
commercial apps they are using now.

Sorry, my mistake.
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No McAfee for Apple?
cdgoldin 21st Apr 2010
"There is no McAfee for Apple, and none is needed. "

That's interesting, because both McAfee and Symantec got their start with an anti-virus program for the Apple Macintosh.
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Classic vs OS X
Jeremy-UK 21st Apr 2010
You're talking about Mac OS "classic", rather than Mac OS X. They are as
different as two operating systems can be (despite the similar name).
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Not McAfee, SAM was...
Liliana Pubill 23rd Apr 2010
Back in the days the only commercial Antivirus for Macs was SAM (Symantec Antivirus for Macintosh) and the last one was shipped in 1994-1995, there was one Norton Antivirus for Mac after that, it didn't sell well, so they discontinued it.

McAfee has just been recently available for Macs advertised as "Complete protection for PowerPC and Intel-based systems". Which means it is for intel based Macs. The freeware antiviruses that existed Disinfectant and ClamXav are (I think) gone for good.

I'm not saying we'll not need them one day, but for now we're ok.
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RE: Not McAfee, SAM was
Ghostman52 24th Apr 2010
Sorry, but I stock Norton Anti-Virus for Mac in my store.
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McAfee for Mac
levinson 21st Apr 2010
Yes, there is a Santa Claus. And there is a McAfee for Mac.
McAfee Security for Mac for OS X 10.4.11 - 10.6.x
McAfee Virex 7.7 for OS X 10.3.x
McAfee VirusScan for Mac 8.5 for OS X 10.4.x

Not sure how useful they are, but since my company has a site license, I
have McAfee Security for Mac installed.
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McAfee for linux too.
Alzie 22nd Apr 2010
VirusScan Enterprise for Linux

I didn't want anyone feeling left out.
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??
rag@... 22nd Apr 2010
What is it allegedly protecting you from?
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unless it was my sworn enemy's only computer. I learned McAfee was purely crap about a decade ago and would'nt wish it on any one, especially where it will never be needed like on my Mac.
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No McAfee for Apple?
kwagner_z 21st Apr 2010
"There is no McAfee for Apple"? Really? Someone better tell McAfee:
http://www.mcafee.com/us/enterprise/products/system_security/clients/virusscan_for_mac.html
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Apple?
richdave 21st Apr 2010
You are just so wrong on so many fronts. Talk to me at richdave2000@yahoo.com and I will be more than happy to tell you why.
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Why does everything
becabill 21st Apr 2010
degrade so rapidly to Apple-vs-the world?
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Apple.
apostate 21st Apr 2010
He doesn't sound like a zealot, you sound like a
flat-Earther.
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RE:Apple?
enawn 22nd Apr 2010
"the
requirement for geek-knowledge to make anything work and that the
free apps may be substitutes, but sure aren't replacements for the
commercial apps they are using now."
Really?? This is your argument?
Dude you are a dork.
I have been into computers SINCE the early 80's. And this is your argument?!? In lots of cases the replacements are comparable to commercial Apps. OH, BTW, that is how I have made mine through out the years is by being "the geek" and my "geek knowledge base". Dude you are an amateur!
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In lots of cases
tracy anne 22nd Apr 2010
The Free Software is Commercial Software.

What is being referred to here as Commercial software is in reality Proprietary Software.

Free (as in Free Open Source Software) Software can also be Commercial Software (in fact the GNU GPL expressly states that software licensed under that license may be sold "for whatever price the market will bare", What does anyone think Red Hat's Distribution of Linux (mostly licensed under the GPL) is if it's not Commercial Software.
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Geeks my @ss
maxtov@... 22nd Apr 2010
Hey,
Nobody gives a rats ass about what you're using on your personal machine down in the basement or garage.
Ever tried to port 150 hospital clinical apps written for Windows to Linux or whatever?
You can start now. And then support them. To the end of your days. We have 12000 machines waiting for your "geek knowledge base" to be applied.
Ever hear tell of VistA?

http://www.worldvista.org/AboutVistA/copy2_of_index_html
Open Source VistA Platform

The complete Open Source VistA stack consists of:

GNU/Linux
The combination of the GNU tools and the Linux kernel, which together provide a robust, scalable OSFS operating system.

VistA
Veterans Health Information Systems and Technology Architecture, a Healthcare Information System (HIS). VistA is widely believed to be the largest integrated HIS in the world. It was originally developed and maintained by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, based on the systems software architecture and implementation methodology developed by the U.S. Public Health Service jointly with the National Bureau of Standards. It is designed to provide a high-quality medical care environment for the country's military veterans. VistA has a proven track record of supporting a large variety of clinical settings and medical delivery systems. VistA is in production today at hundreds of healthcare facilities across the country from small outpatient clinics to large medical centers. The software is currently used by the Indian Health Service and a number of other healthcare organizations around the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistA
The Veterans Health Information Systems and Technology Architecture (VistA) is an enterprise-wide information system built around an electronic health record, used throughout the United States Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) medical system, known as the Veterans Health Administration (VHA).[1]

By 2003, the VHA was the largest single medical system in the United States,[2] providing care to over 4 million veterans, employing 180,000 medical personnel and operating 163 hospitals, over 800 clinics, and 135 nursing homes.
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Apple has their problems...
Senrats 22nd Apr 2010
http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=apple

Linux, Mac, and PC.. meh. I like what ever works. Why fight over an OS. Linux is cool because it's free and you can do just about anything with it. Macs are cool because they are pretty, but they cost too much (some people like that). Windows good because it is what we know (it took me a while to even come up with that one).

I'd rather debate iPod or the MS Zune player!

P.S. I pick the Zune. happy
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Only obscurity saves apple
SlithyTove 22nd Apr 2010
Considering that OS X is considerably less secure than windows 7/vista (based on the results of the hacking contests), and considerably slower to react to known vulnerabilities than MS, it would seem that the only thing saving apple from the same virus issues is its small global marketshare. It also has virtually zero presence in the locations where a lot of hacking hits come from, like China and Russia so many hackers simply don't have experience with the platform.

If apple continues to grow it will, sooner or later, become a victim of its own success and enter the same virus rat race windows has to deal with.

Linux OTOH, is both obscure and secure, whatever its other faults may be.
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If an Apple had a worm
kandrew@... 22nd Apr 2010
Would anyone care?

Not really
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Hacking contests a joke
rag@... 22nd Apr 2010
These hacking contests are a joke. OS X is far more secure than any version of Windows. And it has nothing to do with market share - and everything to do with the basic design of the operating system.
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First NVIDIA now this??
Liliana Pubill 23rd Apr 2010
Can't PC software engineers stop screwing up for once? About 2 months ago, NVIDIA released an update that fried their video cards and now this...

I use Macs and I can't say I ever downloaded an update of anything that did as much as slow my computer down, let alone crash my system so I dunno where this technological world is going.

I hear hubby say all the time "I gotta get rid of this update it sucks!" every now and then, almost every time his laptop runs automatic updates; I'd hate to be in his shoes.

I'll stay with my trusty old iBook.
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@Asiafish I have been into computers SINCE the early 80's. And this is your argument?!? In lots of cases the replacements are comparable to commercial Apps. OH, BTW, that is how I have made mine through out the years is by being "the geek" and my "geek knowledge base". Dude you are an amateur!
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My, oh my
fredb 21st Apr 2010
A mention of a windows problem and you go apoplectic against Apple. Defensive are we?
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Apples are perr-ty
riluve 21st Apr 2010
I definately like the look and feel of Apple hardware. But hey, I have work that I have to do and Apple simply doesn't run any productive software. In fact I don't know a single person with an Apple who doesn't also have WIndows installed or emulated on it.

That must drive Steve Jobs crazy. He is not happy unless he is controlling his little Apple Zombie followers. I mean seriously, buying Apple has to be the best example of S&M in the public sector. Apple people just love how pretty their products are and never seem to "get" how much they have over-paid for a hamstrung piece of hardware.

I don't get it. I mean, MS is evil - like Texas Chainsaw Masacre evil, but Apple is evil like Childmolester evil (or Catholic Priest evil). No one ever really defends MS, but these apple zombies will defend Apple to their own death!
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I do run MS Office 2008 for Mac on it, but other than that the iLife suite
and MS Office are all I need on my Mac. You call it hamstrung, I call it
liberating. To each their own.
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Oh, and I love how even a thread for an article named "Defective McAfee
update causes worldwide meltdown of XP PCs" has some idiot insulting
Apple in it. Just hilarious.

So, on my Mac, I have internet browsing, email, photo management,
video processing, word processing, spreadsheet, presentation, DVD
creation, music processing, calendar, backup, chat, turbotax, and a
dozen other things. What else do you need?
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Yeah. and I have all of that on Win Vista and Linux at a substantial fraction of the cost. Your point is?
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The point is
fredb 21st Apr 2010
it was stated that Apple has no productivity software...IT DOES!
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Fraction of the cost. Funny.
rpsin 21st Apr 2010
You do realize that you get what you pay for? All the competition on the
PC hardware side drives inferior components. Of course, if you go Sony
or other premium hardware the price difference from Apple is not that
big since they actually are similar quality level hardware.

And comparing Vista or Linux to Mac OS X is laughable. And, my iPhoto
and iMovie apps blow the doors off anything you can get on the PC.
Facial recognition in iPhoto. Editing capability in iMovie. I've used PCs
up until 3 years ago when I bought my iMac. There is no comparison.
Apple blows Vista and Linux away. Period. End of story. Bye bye.
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Facial recognition in iPhoto.
tracy anne 22nd Apr 2010
I've got that in DigiKam.
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Really? Not seeing it.
rpsin 22nd Apr 2010
Tracy Anne, I went to digikam.org and searched through Overview,
Features, and a few other areas. No mention of facial recognition.
Maybe there is a plug-in that has it. I'll give you the benefit of the
doubt.

But Linux... Wow. No digikam for windows yet. So, Linux, OK, it's
free, or at least cheap, because you always donate to help support the
developers, right? That's the right thing to do if you use their stuff.
So, donate for Linux. Install. Then, donate for digikam. OK, so now I
go to the Download link and see this:

Before you can use digiKam, you must first download and install it.
There are three ways to do that:

"Use a package provided by your distribution
This is the preferred way. It is easy and stable, but it might be a
version which is somewhat older.
Compile a tarball which we provide
This is a bit more complicated, but you can install the most recent
stable version.
Compile the KDE4 latest versions (svn repository) where we currently
work in.
This is even more complicated, but as recent as it gets. This is needed
when you want to help us to find bugs or help us develop. Old KDE3
code is there but it's not maintenend anymore.
You can choose the one which fits you best. We provide detailed
instructions for each of them."

OK, so now I spend an hour reading instructions, on top of the hours
I've already spent to download and install Linux, or get the DVD for
Linux ($$$), then set up internet connection, drivers, etc. Maybe easy,
maybe not. I have no clue. But OK, so I am now 5 or 6 hours into
this. Now I see this: "Note: check the dependencies before trying to
compile digiKam." Dependencies, what the heck is that? So I click
that link and, "digiKam requires a lot of libraries. So, before compiling
yourself digiKam, you'll have to download and install them. To get an
up to date list, check the README file"

OK, so, hours more, and now I see this:

"Note that this method will provide the dependencies of the packaged
version of Digikam, current svn version may contain more
dependencies.

Here's a partial list :

libqt
download it
kdelibs
download it
libkipi/libkdcraw/libkexiv2
download it
libgphoto2
download it
liblcms
download it
libtiff
download it
libpng
download it
libjasper :
download it
Don't forget to configure it with --enable-shared
libkdepimlibs (optional)
download it"

Holy crap. Now it is 4 AM, I am tired, frustrated, my wife hates me
because I am choosing a PC over her, and my kids have softball games
in the morning. But darn it, I am going to get this, because it is
freaking free (actually just cheap because I donated), but I am so
confused over Packages, SVN, Tarball, Dependencies. Jesus, I just
want something to WORK!!

So, I buy an iMac. I open the box. I plug it in. I turn it on. I get that
wonderful start-up sound. I get, "We have detected a wireless internet
connection, would you like to connect?" I say, why yes, I do, and here
is the encryption code. It says, "Thank You, Ron. I love you." I pat it
on the side and say, "I love you too." It opens up to Snow Leopard and
says, "Would you like to connect to the PC on your network." I say,
"Sure." It does, and then I drag the folder on my PC with 24,432
pictures in it that I have been manually organizing for years because I
hated all the windows photo management software that I have tried.
So, I drag the folder onto iPhoto and it imports and organizes ALL of
my photos!! Then, I pick a few pics with my face in them and assign
them to Ron, and it finds all other pictures of me!! Wow, that was
easy!!

So sorry for dragging this on, but you did say digikam for Linux. Now,
I make pretty good money, and time is money, so let's see, I would
estimate to get Linux up and running, connected, networked, drivers
installed, then downloading digikam and figuring out Packages, SVN,
Tarball, and Dependencies, and then trying to figure out how to get all
of my 24,432 pictures imported in, I am probably about 15-20 hours
into it. The value of my time I estimate to be (based on what my
company pays me, discounted a bit since this is my 'free' time) about
$50 an hour. Don't balk at that, as a good plumber charges at least
that!! (No insult to plumbers). So, $50 * 15-20 hours is $750 -
$1,000. Wow, so I can use digikam and "save" the cost difference of a
Mac but waste $1,000 of my precious time, or just buy a Mac with it
already installed and so easy to use I don't have to read anything. In
my younger days, I would love the challenge of Linux. I remember
hacking my original TiVo box to add a second hard drive. But, I am 42
now, with three daughters, and time is more precious to me. I'd rather
spend my time with my family. Not to say that approach is for you,
but I decided 3 years ago that this approach is for me!!

Thank you for humoring me by reading my excessively long post.
Have a great day!!
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Stuff you mentioned...
statuskwo5 22nd Apr 2010
Everything you mentioned is for video/graphics
editing and we all know Macs are good in that
area. Why is that news? Also, why compare Vista
when Win 7 has been out for some time. Here, I'll
do the same. Windows 98 blow the doors off
anything you could get on Mac OS 9 in 1999.
Richdave said: "Yeah. and I have all of that on Win Vista and Linux at
a substantial fraction of the cost. Your point is?"

So I was responding to him.

Statuskwo, you acknowledge that Macs are good in specific areas, but
there are many others that don't give credit at all to Macs. Those are
the ones I feel I must respond to. Not sure why, but I feel I must. In
the whole realm of things, I guess it doesn't really matter.

happy
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Ok...
JosiahB 22nd Apr 2010
I have photo editing software with facial recognition running on both Linux and Windows, I have modie editting in both as well.

But thats actually a minor point compared to the 'get what you pay for' rambling in your post, I can buy high quality hardware and put together a windows/linux PC for a fraction of the cost of your shiny half eaten piece of fruit and I'm not hamstrung my Apple's protectionist approach to everything it builds. You can waste your money if you like but I'll go for value for money myself.
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I won't argue with you Josiah
rpsin 22nd Apr 2010
If you prefer PC hardware, that's fine. I have no problem with that. I
also have a WIn XP machine sitting right next to my iMac. I am only
responding to those who give no credit to Apple at all.

Yes, if you build it yourself, you can put high quality components
together for cheaper than buying preassembled stuff. My Win XP
machine was built by me, and it is still running strong after 5 years. I
don't believe it is at a "fraction" of Apple cost, but it is less expensive.
But in the end you get a quality piece of hardware and then you have
to BUY windows and you have to BUY McAfee and you have to BUY
photo editing software and you have to BUY movie editing software
and you have to BUY DVD software etc. etc. etc. Sure you can use
freeware, but definitely not the level as purchased windows software
or Apple software. When you BUY Apple you get all that and more
already installed.

Your "protectionist" comment is for another thread, but as usual
people miss the point of what you get with Apple. How much did your
photo editing and movie editing software cost? Windows? McAfee?
Not free.

Oh, and there is only a bite taken out of the Apple Logo. It is not half
eaten. See? Can't even cut Apple a little slack with the freaking logo,
can you? happy
"You can waste your money if you like but I'll go for value for money
myself."

So, you are saying Linux is "value for money"? Are you serious? I
encourage you to read my record-length post a page or so up from
where you are reading this. Do you not assign value to time? I guess
not. You are probably young and have loads of free time to learn,
install, and set up Linux, and then more loads of free time to learn,
install, and set up digikam or whatever other Linux software you are
using. Well, for me, time is money, and you can spend your hours
wasted learning Linux and digikam while I quickly and easily work on
my Mac. More power to you. I'm just an old guy that is too busy to
deal with that.
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Productive.
apostate 21st Apr 2010
"So, on my Mac, I have internet browsing, email,
photo management,
video processing, word processing, spreadsheet,
presentation, DVD
creation, music processing, calendar, backup,
chat, turbotax, and a
dozen other things. What else do you need?"

You need a bunch of MS software that is
"standard" because I said it is. Nothing else in
the IT world makes documents or draws pictures.
Nothing. Only MS Office enables anyone to be
productive on a computer. Duh.
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rpsin 22nd Apr 2010
happy
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I like apples and XP
General Ludd 21st Apr 2010
Hi: I recently installed Parallels 5 on my Mini running Snow Leopard. I installed XP Pro as a virtual machne which runs well. When i read the article i started XP and it seemed a little funny. I uninstalled McAfee which was always annoying me with unsolicited messages.

Anyway I don't do much on XP that i can't do with Apple. XP seems to work better with Windows Media Player.

Regards:
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McAfee Annoyances
oldscarecrow 21st Apr 2010
I dropped McAfee last year because of all the annoying warnings and phony renewal notices -- I'm just a single user these days with three machines running, but that apparently was one of my better decisions.
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Use free antivirus software
statuskwo5 22nd Apr 2010
Use Avira/ZoneAlarm/Ad-aware combo for XP. They
are good, yet free antivirus programs that I use
and I have never had any problems.
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Hi, let me introduce myself.
hill60 21st Apr 2010
I use a Mac without having windows installed, actually I still have the
Microsoft Office Disk that I got for free with it still wrapped in shrink
wrap.

I can't be bothered installing it, too much effort to type in the license key
for something I don't need.
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Work at home
Chiatzu 21st Apr 2010
And you have so much productive work on your Windows machine to do
that you have ample time to write teenage trollish drivel. What a waste
of your valuable time that must be.
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Never let any system roll out automatic updates or changes to software configurations without First running the updates through a test bed of all impacted configurations.
Allowing auto updates is a loaded gun, randomly spewing untested code across your organization!
For all those who lost hundreds or thousands of machines, now they know not to be lazy and leave the auto-updates on auto-pilot.
Every system configuration used should be based off of a stable configuration image.
If the system admins want to use the blanket update rollout programs, configure the system to roll out such updates to a batch of test machines, test them for a few hours or days as needed, confirm the update works on all corporate test images, then roll out the update in batches - first to the least critical groups, and then up the chain to the most important groups who cannot afford to suffer down time.

Yes, you have to do that even for virus scanner updates, windows updates, MS office updates, etc...

For engineering firms and law firms and others that bill - by - the hour, lost time is lost money.

If the organization is more free wheeling and lets anybody do anything they want with company equipment, then they have no one to get upset at except themselves for the lost productivity and expensive network wide workstation down time.
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What fantasy world do you live in?
tricktytom 21st Apr 2010
For a variety of reasons, it's impractical to implement a lab test policy for all updates.

A batch of test machines? Are you serious? Who has a "batch of test machines" these days?

First, there often isn't time to lab updates on all flavors of machines that larger organizations may be running.

Second, some issues don't manifest for hours or days, so you would be taking a risk by running your machines without the latest patches.


Third,
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Not fantasy.....
OhTheHumanity 21st Apr 2010
but more like a hard truth. A test batch could be a select few systems that can test the patches out for a few days and roll out the patches to the rest after. You don't have to take it to the extreme, but a little testing could have caught this for sure so the basic point is very valid. Won't cost much either because these systems will be in full time use. Much easier to fix a few over a hundred or a thousand. You have some points, but nothing is perfect so yes you may get hit even with testing, but you reduce chances of that happening.
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Huh?
BCADMINISTRATOR 22nd Apr 2010
As a network manager with around a thousand mschines I rely on the vendor to test virus definition updates, what planet are you on saying you roll out hourly virus definition updates to a test bed for a few days? Just passed your Network plus have you?
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Ok.......
OhTheHumanity 22nd Apr 2010
So you don't have a group of systems you could roll patches out to first before you send them out to thousands of systems? I think its a great idea and may not catch every problem and you would have caught this one for sure. Not sure what the network plus cert has to do with it?

Its never a bad idea to test things before implementation and anyone that suggests otherwise is just foolin themselves.
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