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Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)

By | September 18, 2007, 10:44am PDT

Windows Vista includes a new set of features that allow playback software to work with protected media. This DRM infrastructure is bitterly controversial, and it’s given rise to an enormous amount of misinformation. No one has been more active (or successful) in spreading FUD and misinformation about this technology than Peter Gutmann, a researcher from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.

In Part 1 of this three-part series, I discussed some of the technical errors in Gutmann’s paper that illustrate his lack of hands-on experience with the technology he’s trying to cover and his fundamental confusion over how Windows Vista content protection features work. (You’ll find more examples in Part 3.) If you think I’m nitpicking over these details, you miss the point completely. Gutmann is an academic researcher, and the way scientists have worked since the end of the Dark Ages has been with a rigorous set of principles: You start with a thesis, you design experiments that test that thesis, and using those experimental results as well as those of your peers, you assemble evidence that proves or disproves your thesis. Then you publish.

As I noted last month, Gutmann has completely skipped the “experimental” portion of this time-tested process. He has literally no firsthand evidence to support most of the outrageous claims he makes, and much of the secondhand anecdotal evidence he has assembled is either taken out of context or is of questionable relevance. As I show later in this post, some of his evidence is just plain made up. When someone who claims to be a scientist publishes a paper filled with provably wrong facts, that person’s competence is called into question. When all of those errors are in one direction, that person’s honesty, objectivity, and devotion to the truth are called into question as well.

In this part, I’m going to drill down into the more controversial parts of his paper that deal with the PC as a platform for digital media. It starts with an amazing political statement.

ERROR #5: FIRST STEP ON THE ROAD TO TOTALITARIANISM?

I include this example because it’s a near-perfect illustration of Gutmann’s willingness to link to a supporting article that has nothing to do with the point he’s trying to make. He appears to be betting that his audience won’t actually follow all of those links and notice the disconnect. According to Gutmann, Bill Gates himself is behind the Microsoft conspiracy to deny all of our digital rights, and Windows Vista is part of his evil plan to take over distribution of all digital media. His “proof” is in this statement:

Microsoft have been saying for some years now that they’d really like the PC to go away, to turn into a kind of media platform and content-distribution center for consumers. This was a major theme of Bill Gates’ world promotional tour for Vista in early 2007, and in particular something he went into in some detail at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

If it were all just about lining Bill’s pockets (and those of the long-suffering Microsoft shareholders), this argument might be tenable, if a bit cliched. But Gutmann takes this conspiracy theory farther than anyone. From that simple paragraph he segues into a short discussion of Microsoft’s evil master plan “to lock out any competitors… [And] because they will then represent the only available distribution channel they’ll be able to dictate terms back to the content providers whose needs they are nominally serving in the same way that Apple has already dictated terms back to the music industry.” It ends, in hyperbolic fashion, with a link to an online web site devoted to the history of the Soviet secret police (NKVD), with lurid details about forced labor camps and warnings about “a continual extension of the security apparatus and an ongoing escalation of repressiveness by the enforcers.” Gutmann concludes:

The many examples given in the rest of this writeup are an indication that Windows is already well down this path.

I am not making this stuff up or exaggerating. Peter Gutmann wants you to believe that Microsoft’s goal with Windows Vista is the elimination of the PC, which in turn is the first step on the road to forced labor camps and secret police. So, once again, I followed the link he supplied at the start of this section, which leads to a secondhand report at Download Squad, drawn from a Reuters report that is no longer available online. Here’s the entire Bill Gates quote from that story:

Certain things like elections or the Olympics really point out how TV is terrible. You have to wait for the guy to talk about the thing you care about or you miss the event and want to go back and see it.

How do you get from here to “Microsoft [would] really like the PC to go away” and then to Soviet-era concentration camps? I’m not sure either. A slightly more detailed report of Gates’s remarks includes this additional quote: “I’m stunned how people aren’t seeing that with TV, in five years from now, people will laugh at what we’ve had.” The prediction that delivery of TV programs over the Internet will increase in the next five years isn’t exactly earth-shattering (see iTunes, YouTube, Amazon Unbox for the first glimmerings of this trend). It certainly doesn’t predict the death of the PC.

Gates is describing something that the rest of us, those who follow the media industry and are neither professional nor amateur paranoids, have been noticing for some time. As bandwidth increases and the penetration of high-speed Internet connections reaches ever-higher levels, the Internet becomes a practical way to deliver movies, music, TV, and more. That has profound implications on the traditional media industry, which has historically relied on cable, satellite, Blockbuster Video, and other controlled channels to reach its customers. Internet-based media delivery is a disruptive technology, and it’s only natural that both Microsoft and Apple would both want to be part of this changing landscape. But to sketch a path from content protection technology to the Gulag Archipelago is truly depraved.

In fact, this assertion is one of the foundation arguments in Gutmann’s paper. He believes that “content protection [is] Microsoft’s number one priority for Vista.” Which leads us to…

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Appreciate the time spent on this Ed
nongeek 3rd Jan 2008
Ed - this is a really interesting read and full credit to you for taking the time to display the facts and clearly display the errors of his article.

The internet seems to fuel bad journalism because lies or at least ill-proven statements makes for more interesting news then facts. Thank goodness there are still journalists with good integrity and professionalism out there writing factual, well thought out pieces.
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great post!
rtk 18th Sep 2007
I look forward to reading part 3, and hopefully seeing if Gutmann has the fortitude to actually acknowledge any of this.
Eddie, Eddie, Eddie!!!
You have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. Your rant about Peter G's research is unbelievably boorish and boring. Those of us who spit when we say the name Vista due to its DRM integration understand that what Peteris really saying (correctly), is that the 500 pound gorilla in the room is that continuing to suport Microsoft means that we will quickly reach the day when we can only do with our own computers what Microsoft says we can. Everything else will be blocked. What your article SHOULD have concentrated on was to build on Peter's argument for a call to purchase a MAC or refuse to purchase any DRM crippled software or hardware. YOU can't see the forest for the trees.
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Thanks for sharing
Ed Bott 18th Sep 2007
It's always fun when a new troll comes along. Be sure to introduce yourself to the others.
...includes DRM in order to play protected content. That day will come...you can
count on it. We'll hear every excuse in the book how it's different than Microsoft.
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Actually, Leopard is due next month
Ed Bott 18th Sep 2007
And the rumors (I read it on Engadget so it must be true) say it will have either Blu-ray or HD DVD support, or both. If so, it would have to enable support for AACS and HDCP.

Given that Steve Jobs is the single largest stockholder in Walt Disney Corporation and that Disney is one of the founders of the AACS initiative, that would make perfect sense.
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Actually
HouseOfZen 31st Oct 2007
To some degree its already here on the Mac as it is with the PC. There's DRM in iTunes, Filemaker Pro has introduced activation in version 9 (I bought 8.0 and upgraded to 8.5--I stopped at 8.5, I decided to keep my money because of activation), and there are others that want to tie software to your computer. It is the software vendor's right to do that and it is the customer's decision if they want to put up with the nonsense of crippled/DRM software.

I've personally put up with it for some things and will not tolerate it for others. However, lately, I haven't agreed to purchasing anything that has DRM in it (Which is becoming harder to do).
That's a vendetta.
You an Ou are on a mission, and yet you totally fail to address the points made by Gutmann. Over and over.

The most common CPU at the time of writing (and probably even today) in PCs is the Netburst architecture, especially since all those cheap Netburst multi-cores were sold off cheap.

Gutmann AND Microsoft in their spec priced this as 20 cycles for AES.
I reckon that the Core Duo you're using does this faster.
Gutmann's point was, you'll have to upgrade to a fast new machine to run Vista.

You say, the fast new machine is cheap, so Gutman's paper is wrong. That's ridiculous.
Also "cheap" is a relative term, and with gas prices going through the roof, and real estate tanking, the "cheap" you talk about isn't necessarily so cheap for many millions of americans.
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It is not a vendetta.
always-a-geek 19th Sep 2007
The Gutman article (for lack of a better name) is quoted as an authoritative source of information about Vista and its shortcomings, and it is clearly lacking in accuracy and perspective. Clarifying the situation, and even commentary on the possible motives and thoroughness of the author is part of commentary. Gutman makes no claim toward the issues with DRM being a problem with low-powered processors (like mine), he claims that it is a problem across the board. There are so many holes in Gutman's article that it shouldn't really have taken this series to make people pause before using Gutman's work as an authority.

Vista is NOT the first time that hardware upgrades have been needed for efficient running of updated or newly crafted software, from Microsoft, Apple, Unix, IBM, or anyone else. To say that it is wrong for Microsoft to release software that is a clear advance in the features it thinks the market wants just because it doesn't run on my computer as-is is nothing more than a fallacy.
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re hardware updates.
stevey_d 20th Sep 2007
I read Gutmann's paper, and see that he's pointing out that AES encryption as specificed in Microsoft's DRM specification for encoding the HD stream will require a lot of processing power. The amount required, I think is far lower on a Core Duo due to it's architecture, than the most common CPUs a year ago.

The point is that for most people, a lot of their cpu power is required to decode the AES stream. This is burning a lot of power in your CPU to give value to the content publisher, it doesn't actually give you any enhanced experience.

This is dissimilar to say a software upgrade requiring more power. Usually you get an enhanced experience for the power taken. But in the case of the encoded AES stream, you get none.
The content publisher gets to have a bit more security over their content.

On the scale of "dumb ideas when 25% of artic ice just disappeared this year" 0-10, this is an 11.
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Was that necessary?
HouseOfZen 31st Oct 2007
NT.
Those of you who spit when the name Vista is said should take a minute to finally comprehend the DRM integration FUD, then make an informed decision.

As for suggesting that a call be made to switch to Apple, are you freakin' serious? Job's is nearing insanity now that he's got a touch of success, he's far more likely to go off the deep end than anyone at MS.

Sti
I used to like Apple. But I have to admit that Jobs fella is getting a little evangelical. You think he was giving the world the technology for us to travel to the stars rather than slapping a touch screen on a mobile phone.

Be thankful at least Bill Gates was the head of MS rather than Stevie boy. I dread to think how things would be if that was the case. Apple churches?
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I wouldn't cheer Bill too much
deaf_e_kate 18th Sep 2007
If he had his way, Windows wouldn't have had internet access as he said it was a fad.
Just as well BSD had a TCPIP networking stack to pinch otherwise you wouldn't have had internet until windows 98 or later.
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Nobody would have had it.
xuniL_z 19th Sep 2007
I feel compelled. tcp/ip, vint cerf, research paid for courtesy of the u.s. taxpayer.

Berkeley implementing TCP/IP as PART of the OS...they had to be FORCED to do it by the feds (berkeley unix development was entirely paid for by federal/taxpayer funding as well).

Berkely claimed integrating tcp/ip with the OS was a bad idea and refused until the funds were threatened to be taken away.


if berkeley had had their way...who knows how far behind things would be.

Just to keep some perspective on BSD.
and while the Apple was the object, the sin was disobedience (sp). but that's way off topic for this discussion.
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it was the "fruit of knowlege of good and evil." We only use the apple as a visual representation for alegory.

But back to relivance: notice there is a bite taken out of that apple?
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re: Bite
Badgered 20th Sep 2007
But back to relivance: notice there is a bite taken out of that apple?

Good point. Never thought of it that way. LOL
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Bite!
On Site PC 10th Oct 2007
?Bite? from the Apple possibly it refers to the tree of knowledge? If so in both cases It sure did lead to, and still is the cause of a lot of controversy and oft heated discussion.

NB. All you wonderful Yanks to whom we need to teach English:
Controversy is spelt with an O not an A and should be pronounced ?Con troh versy ( as in Of and not con tra versey as in ah) ! ah well! oh well! maybe to be consistent you should say it cun tru versy. But the the Kiwis can?t pronounce words with ?i? ?fish and chips? becomes ?Fush un Chups? Are we Ozies the ?uny wuns ut tork proper??
Oh that we could all agree on $MS and DRM!
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You mean instead of the
xuniL_z 19th Sep 2007
60 years of being locked into network or cable control of what you watch and when you watch it? Forcing advertisements down your throat every 10 minutes for 50 years? That is/was the freedom of choice we are in danger of losing?

(Is Google, youtube, yahoo and all others going to be "squeezed" out by Apple and Microsoft as well?

ha ha ha....You and Gutmann have it all figured out.
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Commercials...
Mike Hunt 19th Sep 2007
...are actually every seven minutes for most programs. Every hour has over 20 minutes of commercials, sometimes even more! Maybe this DRM crap will give rise to more indies. happy
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re: Commercials...
Badgered 20th Sep 2007
Every hour has over 20 minutes of commercials

Which is why I love TiVo
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Way too personal.
Bozzer 18th Sep 2007
Not a very enjoyable read at all. Stopped on page 3 after becoming bored with what appears to nothing more than a personal grievance.
And believe it or not, you're not going to stop people spreading the FUD no matter how hard you try. Someone will come along and spout more of it. If FUD is getting to you this much, you really could do with a vacation. First drinks are on me.
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Not personal at all
Ed Bott 18th Sep 2007
I suspect you're obje3cting to the fact that I focus on style. And style does matter in hit jobs like the one Gutmann has written. Really. he's comparing good and decent people to Nazis and Soviet secret police. So who's getting personal? (And you missed the fact that he had several personal attacks on me at the top of his web page until I asked him, politely, to remove them. He did so, but only after first adding a couple more personal attacks.)

I have no illusions that I can stop the spreading of FUD. What I do hope is that I can provide a link that someone can provide in response.

"Stopped on page 3..."

Oh man, it was only one more page!
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Personal?
tonymcs@... 18th Sep 2007
Gutmann puports to be an academic. I don't see any attempt at examination of the issues, no experimentation as Ed and others have pointed out and certainly no scientific method.

Ed has done us a favour by actually examining Gutmann's statements and showing them to be wrong.

The difficulty here is that Gutmann is actually just preaching to the choir with the usual rubbish - Vista doesn't work, MS is evil, Bill Gates is the Anti-Christ, which goes down real well with the ABMers.

For those of us who live in the real world and actually use computers for a variety of tasks, there is no substitute for Windows and its apps and devices. Sure I could use *nix for a variety of limited tasks (and have), but I could also use an abacus and a sharp stick.

Gutmann made this personal from the very beginning when people had the absolute effrontery to ask him for proof. Instead, he's just provided personal attacks and drivel.

Well done Ed for taking the time to point out the gaping holes.
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"For those of us who live in the real world and actually use computers for a variety of tasks, there is no substitute for Windows and its apps and devices. Sure I could use *nix for a variety of limited tasks (and have), but I could also use an abacus and a sharp stick."

All government agencies must change to open source software, the national government says in an action plan presented today. Amsterdam is already testing such software and will decide on whether to renew its Microsoft contract in December.
\[...\]
...10,000 municipality employees will change to open source software
Amsterdam claims to be the third major European city - after Munich and Vienna - to adopt open source software on such a large scale. http://tinyurl.com/39dmpm

That bad taste in your mouth is probable your foot. Or better still, that tasteless cool aid. devil
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Munich and Vienna still aren't there and Amsterdam hasn't even started. The bad taste in your mouth is the lack of real success in converting any large real enterprise to all open source.
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OMG, ShadeTree, i'm outta here
n0neXn0ne 19th Sep 2007
devil
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De jure standards as in standards that many have agreed is good enough for its
purpose. Being locked to one vendor is never good and what should be
understood.

Ed Bott isn't a serious journalist, just trying to serve his employer by making
people like you and me visit this site and click on a few of the ads here. It's also
very much about herd mentality here, it's "understood" here that you must write
Microsoft-friendly articles if you want to write for ZDNet at all.

Gutmann?s paper may be a lot of educated speculation but based on Microsoft's
own documentation. Microsoft is maintaining their dominance on the PC desktop
and that's no news, they are being punished for it too, most recently by the
european commission.

So I'm a lot more inclined to believe Gutmann than Bott.
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BS
Ed Bott 19th Sep 2007
"Gutmann?s paper may be a lot of educated speculation but based on Microsoft's own documentation."

You must have missed the part where I showed how Gutmann selectively misquoted from Microsoft's documentation. If you go and read the document for yourself, you'll see he was either wrong or lying.

The idea that Gutmann is somehow "quoting from Microsoft's own specs" is sheer fantasy. He's trying to make definitive statements about a technology he hasn't used. And if you read his full paper you'll see much of it is based on "reports" he's quoting from random websites. Not from Microsoft specs.
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Ed, your reply is based on Macbeth
NonZealot 19th Sep 2007
Gutmann?s paper may be a lot of educated speculation but based on Microsoft's own documentation

You used the word 'the' in your blog and that word also appears in Macbeth so your blog is based on Macbeth.

snicker, snort happy
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Gutmann was speculating but so was Microsoft, i.e. Microsoft is trying, constantly,
to find new ways to better protect their profits. You are putting an importance on
the word "use" which is out of context simply because Microsoft has not
implemented everything in their paper, YET. Microsoft is probably just viewing it
as a possible way to go, unless they they think they'll lose too much at the courts
again of course.

There's always a danger in what a dominant, hungry and less ethical company like
Microsoft is doing, that's why it's a good idea to keep both eyes on them and be
very suspicious about what they're doing. Gutmann think so, and so do most of
the world's countries too.
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Why would you believe either of them?
NonZealot 19th Sep 2007
So I'm a lot more inclined to believe Gutmann than Bott.

When I first read Gutmann's paper, a lot of it simply didn't make sense. I followed his links, read his sources, and very quickly realized that while he was technically "quoting" Microsoft specs, his interpretation of those specs was completely indefensible. Don't believe Ed's rebuttal, read the Microsoft specs yourself and look for yourself. Read reports from many, many, many users who are actually doing things that Gutmann said were hypothetically impossible.

If you choose to believe Gutmann simply because he is saying something bad about Vista, that's fine, but be honest about it at least.

it's "understood" here that you must write
Microsoft-friendly articles if you want to write for ZDNet at all.


I'm curious, what blogs do you read here? Seriously, it is a serious question. There are many bloggers here who write really nasty things about Windows. Even those who are accused of being MS shills (George Ou springs to mind) have often written scathing articles about MS. Of course, selective reading is all the ABMer zealots need to do in order to ignore all evidence that completely and utterly disproves their own herd mentality thinking. happy
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Using history as a reliable reference
Mikael_z 20th Sep 2007
Microsoft has a long history of anticompetitive behavior and Ed Bott has been a MS-
shill ever since I started to visit this site several years ago, it's really as simple as
that.

Here are lots of MS-shills at ZDNet and twisted articles to serve a higher, implied
agenda. Even you must realize that everybody need money to survive in this
capitalistic world and everything you read should be interpreted with sound
skepticism.
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I agree 100%
NonZealot 20th Sep 2007
Even you must realize that everybody need money to survive in this capitalistic world and everything you read should be interpreted with sound skepticism.

Including Gutmann's paper. Most of what he wrote in that simply doesn't make sense when you look at it. Again, don't take anybody's word for it, check the facts out yourself. If you don't want to, then may I recommend you take the word of someone who has actually done the things that Gutmann said were impossible, even when those words don't reinforce your predetermined notion that everything about Microsoft is bad and everyone who hates Microsoft must be telling the truth? You said it yourself: everybody need money to survive in this
capitalistic world
and Gutmann makes money by publishing papers.
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Piles of money of different heights
Mikael_z 21st Sep 2007
"Gutmann makes money by publishing papers."

And Microsoft make a truck-load more money, ZDNet too, than Gutmann.
Again, view the history. Neither Microsoft nor Bott are reliable sources of
information. With Gutmann I have too little to make a qualified judgement, but I
know a lot of scientists and they are usually motivated by other things than
mammon.
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The Microsoft Bubble
voska 19th Sep 2007
"For those of us who live in the real world and actually use computers for a variety of tasks, there is no substitute for Windows and its apps and devices."

Sounds like you've been living in the Microsoft Bubble not the real world. There are indeed substitutes for Windows and they work just as well if not better. The question is not if their is a substitute but if you want to fork out the money to change. Anyone saying going to Linux is cheap is a liar. In the long run Linux might be cheaper but that really doesn't matter in the here and now of 1 year budget cycles.
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Er.. Ok.. The MS Bubble..
Wolfie2K3 19th Sep 2007
Sounds like you've been living in the Microsoft Bubble not the real world.

Ok... Let's see... Windows has what? 85 to 95% of the global market share...

So that make the so called Microsoft Bubble pretty darn close to being as big as the entire world? And that IS the real world.

Sure, there ARE alternatives. 'Nix, Mac, and so forth. They're still irrelavent when it comes to the topic of THIS article - and Gutmann's spreading of the FUD.
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Fair Comment
Bozzer 19th Sep 2007
I never believed his paper when it published. Whenever anyone quoted it to me about Vista I had a silent chuckle to myself. I understand the nature of peer review in Academic circles and I can understand your desire to put this guy in his place.

Personally though I thought his article was a good barometer for sorting out those people who actually know things and those who "think" they know things. I never corrected people who quoted Gutmann, I just smiled on the inside. These are the same people who would just 'invent' their own kind of BS instead of quoting Gutmann. You will never change that kind of mindset.

I often find they are heavily critical of whatever MS does and sing the praise of Linux, but ultimately they have never used Linux and type their venom on Windows machines. The irony of it all always cracks me up.
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Re; Nazis and Soviet police
stevey_d 19th Sep 2007
Gutmanns point is that DRM is far more intrusive, restrictive and against civil liberties than Americans are used to, or generally would countenance.

Your continued tirade against him can't been seen as anything other than an attempt to destroy him, repeating over and over that his paper was wrong without pointing out with specific details of where it differs from Microsoft's DRM spec amounts to a deliberate "if you throw enough mud" campaign.

What IS your motivation?
Are the same good people you're talking about the ones who drove Microsoft to illegal activity in the US and EU? How many court judgments for illegally tying products have their been now??
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One last try
Ed Bott 19th Sep 2007
I realize you have no interest in an actual conversation, so here's my fial reply to you:

"repeating over and over that his paper was wrong without pointing out with specific details of where it differs from Microsoft's DRM spec"

I have written numerous articles documenting exactly where he's wrong, based on my repeatable results and real-world testing. I list all my equipment and methods. Gutmann has not done the same. I have shown where he selectively quotes from Microsoft's documents, leaving out portions that directly contradict his argument. In Part 3, I will show where he has smeared at least one third-party company despite evidence that his statements are wrong.

What else do you want? Hard to say.

Anyway, have a good time in Trollville. I'm tired of having you ignore the substance of everything I say and repeat gibberish, so I'll not be offering any further responses.
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Ed, you have a problem
MacCanuck 19th Sep 2007
besides the personal vendetta that's apparent (You even make reference to being upset at your name appearing on Gutmann's web site so this is payback).

Your other problem is dismissing and slamming anyone who dares question you as a troll. I've only read a few posts and 2 that don't agree with you have been branded trolls.

Speaks volumes about your credibility, or lack of... follow someones advice and take a vacation.

Signed... (by your definition and fragile psyche) A Troll

...
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I personally
xuniL_z 19th Sep 2007
think he's responded appropriately in every case debunking all incorrect beliefs and only using "troll" when repetition of the same point already answered continues to come or sarcasm and personal statements are made. A journalist should expect questions, but does not have to stand for sarcasm, personal statements..anything not of sincere rebuttal.

The irony is strong in your "fragile psyche" labeling. Comparing he and you, the fragile psyche meter pegs on your side.

It's mirror time maccanuck.
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Applause!
NonZealot 19th Sep 2007
Well done.
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The MS shill gallery speaks
MacCanuck 21st Sep 2007
You (and Zealot) get more pathetic with each post as you're often the one who replies with shrill, totally off base rants and then tries to justify them with "just joking".

You can't even be original, much like your beloved master Microsoft (I started using the "mirror time for you" suggestion after all your constant "you're the zealot, not me" delusional denials).

Though you and Zealot do make a wonderful couple :-p

...
there's DRM in Vista? Hmmm. I've not had a problem viewing content on my UMPC, my Vaio, my HP Desktop or my dedicated Media Center connected via composite cables to a Samsung monitor and TOSlink to my amp.
All of these bar the Media Center were bought as complete systems, the Media Center was cobbled together and the only thing I've not been able to do with it to date is add CableCard support (though I don't know if I want or need that).
Waiting with baited breath for Part III to discover all the other things I can't do with Vista wink
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DRM in Vista?
n0neXn0ne 18th Sep 2007
"there's DRM in Vista?"
Yes
And Stealth updates.
There is a lot you have not a clue about.
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chessmen Updated - 19th Sep 2007
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At the bar
Bozzer 19th Sep 2007
Please avoid me if you don't find that funny. Haven't you got some pencils to sharpen?
well I might disagree with this statement
"If it were all just about lining Bill???s pockets (and those of the long-suffering Microsoft shareholders), this argument might be tenable, if a bit cliched." Spelling error is yours

Since Microsoft is now collecting Licensing fees from every hi def player and hi def content(assuming it is using the AACS). They are one of the founders of the AACS system.
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Ed - this is a really interesting read and full credit to you for taking the time to display the facts and clearly display the errors of his article.

The internet seems to fuel bad journalism because lies or at least ill-proven statements makes for more interesting news then facts. Thank goodness there are still journalists with good integrity and professionalism out there writing factual, well thought out pieces.

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