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For consumers, finding competent PC support is a challenge

By | October 26, 2011, 6:09am PDT

Summary: What happens if something goes wrong with a Windows PC? Good luck finding honest and competent help. Right now, somewhere in the world, an incompetent support professional is performing “repairs” that make things worse and suggesting useless “upgrades” that line their pockets and slow down PCs.

One reason people love Macs so much is the simplicity of the support experience. If you buy a Mac, your hardware and your operating system come from the same vendor, which makes support a dead-simple experience. When something goes wrong, you call Apple. In the worst-case scenario, you haul your hardware into the nearest Apple Store, where a trained support tech can diagnose and repair most problems.

So what happens if something goes wrong with a Windows PC? Good luck finding honest and competent help.

I’ll be making a house call later this week to undo the damage a major PC vendor’s support professionals did to a neighbor’s PC. He had called them for assistance because his computer (a year-old, high-end laptop) was running slowly. I had helped him set up this machine less than a year ago and I know it’s working well.

The tech he reached collected a $79 fee up front and then rolled up his sleeves and went to work. When he was done, the formerly fast machine was a hopeless mess.

  • There was no malware on this system, but the tech installed and ran Malware Bytes anyway.
  • The agent recommended that my neighbor install a “system optimizer” program “to erase crap your PC accumulates.” Not coincidentally, that will be another $40, please.
  • Although he had a functional, up-to-date copy of Microsoft Security Essentials, the guy at the other end of the line (halfway around the world, by the way) recommended he purchase McAfee antivirus software instead. “You need more than just a free service.” Oh, and ka-ching! That will be another $80. McAfee software is at the top of my “not recommended” list.
  • The support tech uninstalled Internet Explorer 9 and restored IE8. “Folks are having problems with IE9,” my neighbor was told. He, of course, had been perfectly happy with IE9, which is considerably more secure than its predecessor. In the process of removing it, they also disabled the LastPass plug-in, which meant he could no longer access his collection of saved passwords and automatically log on to websites.

And here’s the best part of all. The reason he called for support was a slow computer. After spending an hour on the phone with the PC’s manufacturer, his computer was still slow. He was $80 poorer, and the tech had tried (but failed) to sell him $120 worth of additional software that would have made his PC even slower. After he hung up, he tried what any competent support tech should have done first: “I unplugged the cable modem and reset it … and things immediately started running faster.”

A similar scene is probably being repeated every minute of every day, somewhere in the world, as incompetent support professionals perform “repairs” that make things worse and suggest useless “upgrades” that line their pockets and slow down PCs.

The irony is that it doesn’t take a genius to work at one of Apple’s Genius Bars. Their limited hardware selection and support for a single OS means that a little training goes a long way. Apple also charges enough for its hardware and its AppleCare add-ons that it doesn’t need to squeeze out extra profits by selling needless crapware.

Maybe if Microsoft had a network of retail stores as large as Apple’s it could step in and offer this service. For now, though, finding a competent PC support professional is a challenge as big as finding an honest auto mechanic.

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RE: For consumers, finding competent PC support is a challenge
John Hanks 30th Oct
I keep quite busy because I have 25 years experience and am honest. People appreciate you talking at their level and that kind of communication skill isn't too common from what I've seen.

I also have become quite the detective, sometimes having to interpret a variety of terms describing problems. Often, the fix is easy once you figure out what people are talking about.
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Wow. What a douche. "Folks are having issues with IE9"? "You need more than a free service"!?

If I could reach through the phone and choke him, I would.


"I unplugged the cable modem and reset it and things immediately started running faster."

So, he didn't have a slow *computer* , he had a slow *Internet connection*? Big difference there. Still doesn't excuse the douche on the other side of the phone line.
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Ed Bott 26th Oct
@Cylon Centurion

The tech was so busy to start "fixing" things that he didn't even diagnose the problem.

Maybe there needs to be a Hippocratic oath for PC support professionals: "First do no harm."
@Ed Bott I agree...he needed to do a little diagnostic work before starting to "fix" the issue.

The first question should have been, "What do you mean when you say your computer runs slow?"

He would have quickly figured out that while applications are running ok, the internet was slow to load.

The problem with an Oath like that is that the "Big Guys" would be the ones writing it and policing it and ignoring it, while the little guys like me would get hammered by it.
@Ed Bott

It's pretty clear here, that whoever this was, had an agenda. First rule of diagnostics is not to go in and immediately change anything.
@Ed Bott As a support and IT pro, I usually uninstall all the crap from a PC, even if they only have a slow internet connection.
Most of my clients don't check what they're doing and end up with 16 Browser toolbars, outdated Anti Virus, old browsers etc.
I also recommend MSE. I've been confronted by hundreds of AV suppliers to sell their '****' but I just kept telling them I recommend only MSE.
As for IE9, its also the only browser I recommend. Support 'pros' are usually tech junkies that try to shove their 'favorite' crap down customers throat.
But yeah, I always tell my clients to call me when they have a problem, I offer lifetime support on anything I sell.
@Ed Bott Well, on my company PC, the hard drive made a "ting, ting, ting" sound as the heads landed on the platter, when I turned it off (old Compaq 386 with 40MB drive).

The repair guy turned up and removed the hard drive, removed the cover and pulled the air filter out, claiming that was what was causing the noise! shocked

Trying to get my bosses head around the problem why the support wasn't good was a laugh, he was saying "of course he had to remove the cover to get at the hard drive," he couldn't get his head around the fact that the tech had actually dismantled the hard drive itself!

Needless to say, we got a new drive from the support company...

Then there was the time they sent the same tech to repair a Canon BJ. The purge unit was dead, he argued it was just air in the pipe between the ink resevoir and the head (yes, because the purge unit was dead!). He pulled the tube off and sucked, hard... Until he got a mouthfull of ink, which he spat all over the personnel managers desk! He then legged it to the toilet to wash out his mouth.

The personnel manager turned to me and said, "he never sets foot in the building again!" :-D
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@Ed Bott : Then MS, Adobe, McAfee, Norton, and many many others would be out of business. Remember the parts of all the EULAs that say "We are not responsible for any damage, whether it is our fault or not, that occurs while using this product."?
As for installing and running MalwareBytes: It's free (unless they tried to sell him a full version) and doesn't run unless called upon, so I doubt it "broke" anything, and malware *IS* one of the biggest causes of slow PCs, and ALL the antivirus suites miss SOME of the viruses, so a second line of defense is always advised.

However, that tech is most likely a victim of a greater corporate machine that tells him he has to upsell or the implied "or else..." takes effect. Who's fault is that? This does not excuse his lack of diagnostic acumen, nor his inability to ask the right questions. However, when a manager is sitting over your shoulder counting "finished" calls instead of "Successful" calls, it puts a better lens on the matter. I'm not trying to say he's not at fault, but there's more going on in addition to just the incompetent tech.
@Ed Bott

Riiiight, because that oath thingie worked out so well for Michael Jackson...
Even medical doctors can't do the Hippocratic oath because is incompatible with modern society needs.
@Ed Bott

99% of the time PEBKAC
@Ed Bott - and one registry clean later, if it is determined a registry cleaning will fix those nasty little "gremlins", is it the tech or the software's creators that get blamed? Anybody knowing how the registry works knows problems can creep in at times and cleaning the thing usually resolves them. Unless there is underlying system corruption.
@Ed Bott - and comconcepts' final paragraph is spot-on, based on other industries and oaths made.
@Ed Bott

I AGREE with Cylon Centurion where there were hard-line marketing policies in place and support was being utilized as the vehicle for: networked partner promotions and up-selling at a minimum. I jumped a software vendor about the same practice and got an immediate response where they apologized for any misrepresented facts and assured me that they weren't marketing over support channels; right, and they didn't get busted either being left to save face. These fools can spare me the B.S.

The problem with these clowns is that they have no real life experience to draw from where they would realize that they aren't always talking to a sixteen year old child just getting into computers. It's nice to notice the fact that they have considered their audience/market and segments. Basic production practices are definitely not at the forefront with most which lends itself to the old type-casting that they are obviously only interested in making a fast dollar.

In a conclusion of my own, I tend to stay away McAfee security; strange how everyone I know, including myself, would always wind up with a system re-install scenario shortly after un-installing a McAfee anti-virus product. Equally disturbing is the fact that optimization programs are trash; the only thing an individual needs is the knowledge of how to set a few little configurations in Windows for optimized operation with any number of free utilities and they're done.

I ran into issues using Malware Bits in the past where the tool was installed and shortly after un-installed and for some odd reason I started having issues with the "Genuine Advantage" system of my Windows & 64bit Ultimate system. As much as I would like to use it and believe it is as awesome as I have been told, I am not seeing it and will not be back for that one.

It's good to know that I am not a dying breed who trusts in common sense and see that digital technology is without exception. Thanks to you Ed and everyone else here on this thread for taking the time and spending the energy to keep your heads screwed on right in a world of garbage tag-lines, smoke and mirrors.
@Ed Bott

I run a small computer repair shop in a rural area. I definitely have a personal Hippocratic oath perhaps due to pride, but also because If I don't "resolve the issue" the computer comes back and I have to get it right for no charge for an unhappy customer : ).
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Probably not now......
linux for me 26th Oct
@Cylon Centurion

But there were significant problems with IE9 and Adobe flash plugins not too long ago. These were almost exclusively on Vista machines and rolling back to IE8 fixed the problem until Adobe finally got around to fixing Flash.

The OEM support overseas that you get today is a money machine that breaks your system so you can call them back and pay them more money to still break your system. They use old fixes that are not valid, question software tools, and no troubleshooting, among others.

Add to that the language barriers, and you have a support nightmare. The really sad thing is that there are too many of those type of support people locally too.
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RE: Wow. What a douche.
fatman65536 26th Oct
@Cylon Centurion

It looks like this douche forgot the first rule of troubleshooting:

C heck
T he
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S ----!

He failed to completely define the problem.

Now, considering that he is paid by the hour (or procedure), it is quite likely he is trying to pad the bill . The recommendations are an example of that.

As a Linux user, these days, I can now say to my Windows using friends: "Like the maid says, 'I don't do Windows!' " That stops the pleas for help cold.
@Cylon Centurion

Agreed; I love the bone heads that try indirect marketing when someone actually has a problem and is looking for much needed resolve. To me, it is like the prostitution of business driven ethics where the consumer is thrust back into the stone-ages of commerce.

In addition to the support ******, my favorite incident of little urgency is contacting a support technician only to be directed to a board/forum directly to solutions that have been publicly recognized as incompetent for the given problem.

I have been told directly that the consumer oriented end of business is going full support -- sounds general enough -- and if the current state is any indication of what's to come in the future we had better stay put. Until we learn how to conduct morale and ethic business on a basic level consumer support as an industry has nothing to gain or even work from. I would really like to meet some of the so-called experts that predict those shifts in business and economics and ask them if they have ever owned a computer. It isn't like lousy support is an isolated case as it's widespread across P.C. platforms from the floor up and often includes third party developer groups.

It's awesome how the "experts" get to live on Mars while everyone else is stuck on the Earth with real world issues that are evident and accessible at anytime across the web. Maybe they should make reading and comprehension mandatory for a diploma again like the good ol' days.
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Never trust a tech who tries to sell or install software to "fix" a software issue! Sadly I agree this is such a true story.
@jenifer.nech@...

That and a tech that asks for money right up front. When customers pay up front they are more reluctant to say no when another charge comes up since they're in $80. Some places would rather hire sales people than techs.
Ed, how is the tech supposed to know that there isn't a malware infection on that machine? I would have run Malwarebytes (and a full MSE scan) as first steps, though I agree with the rest...system optimizers are junk, along with McAfee.

I think this is where Linux users have a bit of an advantage, in that they are encouraged to join online forums for their distro, to discuss issues with their device. I trust community support much more than giving it to some tech, as you're right...good ones are difficult to find. Sadly, the typical Windows user either isn't aware of this type of help, or isn't sure where to turn for it.

It used to be commonplace back in the early days of PC's to consult User Groups for advice, and I always thought that was very effective, even now (if you can find one). Common shared experiences are a big help, in choosing someone to repair your machine.
@johnf76@... "Check the forums" isn't really a good argument. Windows users have similar community support. However, if you're even there in the first place, you're probably at the very least, a little bit tech savvy. "Typical Windows Users" aren't aware of this type of help because they aren't technical people. They wouldn't be able to install Linux if they even wanted to, and even assuming every PC in the world came preinstalled with Linux, they wouldn't be making use of those forums for the same reason the typical Windows user doesn't.
@johnf76@... "Ed, how is the tech supposed to know that there isn't a malware infection on that machine?" Ask questions before starting anything. Otherwise, it's like going to the doctor because you have a sniffle and they immediately rush you in for open heart surgery... without checking anything else.
@johnf76@... I have heard of people getting help forum online forums, but in over 15 yrs being a PC support person i have only found help on a online forum once. I will always just go to the source (MS,HP,Epson ETC;) you get the idea. And with going to the source i have never been steered wrong. As for PC people not knowing where to go for help they are far from the only ones i have a long list of MAC people also who do not know ( or have had very bad issues with mac tech) where to go and get help. And as mac has become more popular the issues have grown with it in tandem.
There are plenty of malware infections that are not obvious to the regular user. I have yet to see where a Malware/AntiSpyware/NOD Online scan has caused issues with a PC. In any case, you can always remove legitimate Anti-Malware software after scanning.

BSM, I haven't been as lucky as you have going to the official sources. While they do respond eventually to issues, there is often a considerable lag or the information is not as easy to find. I've had an issues with Microsoft (and some other) official sites tech note links being broken, for example.
You are so right. Finding decent and competent technical support is actually worse than finding a decent and competent auto mechanic. OEMs have, clearly, abandoned that part of the total sales experience. Even when you pay for some kind of "enhanced" support, you end up with some script-restricted person in a third-world country who does not understand US idiomatic English. You might as well be talking a foreign language to them.
@TsarNikky
Think about what you said.... you ARE talking a foreign language to them!
@jrcooperjr You made me laugh out loud (for real). It's funny, the things that we don't really think about on a day to day basis. I can honestly say I've never actually stopped to think about it that way, and in most respects I'd like to believe I am a fairly intelligent person.
In general I stay away from service contracts and extended warranties especially for appliances and consumer electronics. However a reasonably priced extended warranty for a computer, supplied and administered by the manufacturer puts the user and the repair tech on the same side of the money table. Fix it fast. Fix it cheap. And fix it right. No "he says, she says." No finger pointing.

Bonus idea: Buy the computer you want from the manufacturer. Don't try to save a few bucks buying a stripped down unit and adding stuff yourself. You'll end up with a system about which you are the world's only expert.
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Geek Squad isn't much better...
GoodThings2Life 26th Oct
...although I can't imagine they're much different whether it's PC or Mac. They're well known to have clueless techs that swipe your pics and such while they're cleaning house.

But, let's face it... how many people these days don't know a good techy person? My coworkers and I get requests every week for help, because we're good at it, and they trust us.

Apple's support model is good, though, I'll give them that. It's a reason I wish there were more Microsoft stores.
Ed, you are comparing calling tech support versus getting support in person. Usually they are two different things.
If I was calling a major PC manufacturer's support for help, I would start to question why they were trying to sell me extra service, or even why they were charging, for that matter. Phone support always follows a "Script" and they end up doing things that may not be required becuase they have to follow a process. Better off to either have someone come in, or take it to a shop licensed to do work on that model of computer.
Like getting your car serviced, you don't have to know how it works, but you can ask questions. The more you know the less chance you have of being ripped off.
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One wonders why this is the norm
ego.sum.stig@... 26th Oct
After all, it's not as though Windows is so shiny and new that only people with an recent exit visa from Redmond know anything about it.

Ah well, at least with mainframes you tend to know who to hurt until the problem is solved.
A friend googled "Microsoft support" and called the first place in the results, thinking it was Microsoft. When they started trying to sell him 3rd party products, he got suspicious and asked the guy if he really worked for Microsoft. The guy confirmed that he did - a complete lie. This ended well for my friend, who hung up on the fake support rep, but badly for me because I had to fix the PC.

There are reputable repair facilities everywhere, but IMO it's important to find them by word of mouth, or at least by examining their time in business, money-back guarantee, their location, and other factors that indicate their reliability.
@DaveN_MVP Interesting. I tried the same thing. The top regular hits are all MS. However the ads at the top all say Microsoft support, but are not Microsoft web sites... Same for Bing, by the way.
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RE: For consumers, finding competent PC support is a challenge
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 26th Oct
Obviously the technician didn't have a clue. I wonder if he was contracted out from the vendor, I've seen those guys screw up a laptop before. I'd say this is an extreme and rare case, you can find some good tech support people around or do that angie's list thing and check them.
Microsoft are not allow to release their own browser on their own operating system with out the Anit-Monopoly courts getting involved.
Could you imagine what would happen if they created their own hardware platform with their own shops....
I'm Surprised apple are allowed to continue without something happening to them.. oh but then iForgot everyone loves apple....
@msalzberg Tularis must be a typical brain-damaged Microsoft fanboy who doesn't understand that selling Windows to hardware OEMs is Microsoft's business model, and to build their own Windows PCs would be cutting their own throat. Apple belatedly recognized that they could not both license their OS to others and build their own computers at the same time, so they killed off the Mac clones when Steve came back to the company to save it.

Note that I'm not saying that all Microsoft fanboys are brain-damaged, just this poor sot.
But they are out there, Ed! happy I am one! A great place to look is Angie's List. There you can tell what kind of results they are getting.
With very few exceptions. like laptop hardware issues, I always have and always will diagnose a system for free. It always pi***d me off when any tech wanted to charge me a fee to tell me something was wrong with my system. No S**t, I knew that when I came through the door.
I have a standing rule in my shop, "If we don't fix it, You don't pay!" If we tell you we can fix something, then we can. If we can't, we damn sure won't try to peddle a mountain of crapware on some poor customer, claiming that THEY should have known better.
The same rule applies to any technical trade or skill. If you go for a haircut and the guy/gal shaves your head, he's not gonna get away with the "Well then, you should have cut it yourself", excuse is he? The problem with computers is much the same as automobile repair. Even if you take it back to the dealer, you can still get ripped off.
I'm personally not a fan of Apple, but recently a customer who had just received a repair estimate from the local Apple Store for $900 to replace a defective motherboard, brought it to us for a "second opinion". Long story short, he picked up his Mac 3 hours later with a new power supply and repair bill of $125. Proof that even the geniuses at Apple aren't necessarily the brightest bulbs either.

PS the Mac is still working great 4 months later.
@Kevin Reeves

We have the same policy in my shop. Diagnosis is free, and if we can't fix it, you don't pay. Should be the standard everywhere.
@Romberry The problem I keep running into with this is that people seem to think "I don't want you to fix it, it costs too much!" is the same as I can't fix it. We charge a diagnostics fee for everything and then remove it from the bill if the repair work is done. If you don't want me to fix it, you still owe me for looking at it.
You get what you pay for.
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The windows OEM model is a huge fail
Richard Flude Updated - 27th Oct
Charge a few dollars for a slapped together OS, then outsource support to the lower in PC business. A joke.

Exchange down again today, no surprise. Unix servers still powering on!
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A "competent" technician...
GrizzledGeezer 26th Oct
...would have to have the knowledge of a degreed EE, and at least some experience repairing electronics, either his own or in a repair shop. (I have all of these.)

Such a person would demand a salary of at least $75K. Do you think he'd be hired?
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RE: Do you think he'd be hired?
fatman65536 26th Oct
@GrizzledGeezer

Are you kidding?? Of course not.
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A couple of things...
Romberry 26th Oct
First, you mentioned that the tech working on your neighbor's PC installed and ran Malwarebytes AntiMalware in your lists things done wrong. Have to disagree with you on that. As a matter of course I run either SuperAntiSpyware Portable or MBAM (and sometimes both) on pretty much every machine I touch these days. These are both quality utilities and the free versions don't leave a process running on your system after the scan is finished. Anyway, I disagree with your inclusion of this step on the list of what was done wrong. Looking at your list, I'd say that installing and running MBAM is perhaps the only thing the tech did right.

Second, on Apple support at its retail stores I have to comment that this is indeed a fine thing, but the fact is that Apple stores with their "Genius Bar" are far from ubiquitous. For example, if you live in Alabama and your city is not Birmingham or Huntsville, you're out of luck. In Georgia, if you live anywhere other than the area known as metro Atlanta, you're out of luck. Alaska? Anchorage or bust. Arkansas? Little Rock or a long ride.

OK...so what about Apple's phone support? That may be their saving grace. Or maybe not. Recall the way that Apple support was directed to respond to the spyware/malware outbreak directed at Macs a few months back? (Deny that there is a problem. When it becomes impossible to deny, do nothing to help.)

PC support is an issue. Can't tell you how aggravating it can be to work with tier 1 support where the "techs" know nothing that isn't on their flip chart and step two of every solution seems to be "reformat and reinstall everything.' (I'm sure I don't have to tell you about the aggravation. I'm sure you already know.)

Apple is able to do some of what it does on support because frankly, Apple has some very fat margins on its hardware which means there is sufficient profit to cover the associated costs. PCs by comparison are practically a commodity and margins range from extremely thin to practically non-existent. Something has to be cut to keep even those margins, and support is usually first on the list. That said, the vast majority of consumers remain price conscious first and foremost. They buy what's cheap and complain later. (Personally, I'd rather see manufacturers of PCs add 25 to 50 dollars to the price of every system and use one hundred percent of that money to implement first rate support with competent techs who know how to do more than flip through a flow chart. But I won't hold my breath on that one.)

The bottom line is that people are paying for that famed Apple service. It's built into the price. But even then, that service for most people in most places won't be in an Apple retail store unless they are willing to drive for hours (or more) to stand in line.

Good PC service is out there. My advice to people is to find a local tech, preferably one who is independent or associated with a local computer store. And stay away from Geek Squads and any squad of any type you might find at a big box retailer near you.
For a brief period of time, I was invested in Sony Laptops (due to work) and all of them succumbed to slowness which only brightened up after a complete restore (would take a weekend). Support was no help -hours of hold, and basically impossible to figure out over the telephone, and fuggedhabout the Geek Squad. CompUSA here was ethical and well informed, but no more. My Vaio's all died soon after their 3 year warranties, and I happily have stayed with Apple ever since. BootCamp lets me use Windows when I absolutely have to.
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cne@... 26th Oct
ED -

It sounds as if your "user" was just that a "user" and illtierate to boot. Do you look at TV. It is full of adverts for just the kind of fix your buddy got himself involved in. You say this was "tech support" for the manufacturer but you don't say who that was. As a tech support person I have never run into this kind of behavior, from anyone except the software vendors. If you hate McAfee, by the way, just try Norton Internet Security if you want to see a real slowdown.
On the contrary, my experience with Apple Care was a repeated nightmare and my long-term experience with first Compaq and HP 24/7 help (priced about equally), has been very good.

On three different occasions, the Apple Core person I got either claimed that it wasn't their problem (I had bought the software installed and it was a "____ for Mac" item, or they couldn't help and I should return the computer and it would take 3 weeks AFTER I got an appointment.

For 9 years before that and 2 years since I have been back on first, Compaq's and recently HP's PC's. Over all that time, I've had maybe 2 people who were unhelpful. On the contrary, I've had really competent people on the phone for more than an hour, never trying to sell me anything, offering me replacement software, and solving the problem every time. It's Apple you can keep. ingrid wiegand
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The reason?
theflash21 26th Oct
"halfway around the world"

These guys don't know how to fix PC's ... period. They should not be allowed to help customers without some sort of real-world experience and training.

Same goes for State-side support, but overseas support is a plague for American citizens, and companies should be ashamed (if not punished) for using outsourced support ... AND incentive-based sales programs.
I keep quite busy because I have 25 years experience and am honest. People appreciate you talking at their level and that kind of communication skill isn't too common from what I've seen.

I also have become quite the detective, sometimes having to interpret a variety of terms describing problems. Often, the fix is easy once you figure out what people are talking about.

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