Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
Summary: Recent reports suggest that Google is attempting to circumvent industry-standard privacy protections in both Safari and Internet Explorer. Google's defense cites a study from Carnegie Mellon. What they don't mention is that that study argues for increased regulation of companies like ... Google
Last week the Wall Street Journal published a report accusing Google of deliberately circumventing privacy settings in Apple’s Safari browser, by implementing a technical workaround that tricks the browser into accepting tracking cookies from a third-party site.
Yesterday, Microsoft accused Google of “employing similar methods to get around the default privacy protections in IE.”
Google fired back with a blast email message that was widely reported by tech news sites, including ZDNet. My colleague Mary Jo Foley included the Google statement as an update to her post. This sentence was a key part of Google’s defense:
Today the Microsoft policy is widely non-operational. A 2010 research report indicated that over 11,000 websites were not issuing valid P3P policies as requested by Microsoft.
The implication is that P3P is outdated and widely ignored, and that Microsoft is relying on a technicality to score meaningless points.
It took some digging, but I found the study Google was referring to. Its title is Token Attempt: The Misrepresentation of Website Privacy Policies through the Misuse of P3P Compact Policy Tokens. The study was published in September 2010 by Pedro Giovanni Leon, Lorrie Faith Cranor, Aleecia M. McDonald, and Robert McGuire of Carnegie Mellon University.
The abstract of that study makes fascinating reading. In fact. I suspect that Google’s communications staff didn’t read it carefully. If they had, I don’t believe they would have wanted to world to read it.
Judge for yourself. The Carnegie Mellon researchers say this:
We collected CPs [Compact Privacy Policies] from 33,139 websites and detected errors in 11,176 of them, including … 21 of the top 100 most-visited sites.
Let’s turn that around, shall we? Using this study’s results, these researchers concluded that 79% of the top 100 most-visited websites in the world have perfectly valid compact policies. That seems to contradict Google’s assertion that “the Microsoft policy is widely non-operational.”
In addition, those errors were, in many cases, minor:
Our work identifies potentially misleading practices by web administrators, as well as common accidental mistakes. We found thousands of sites using identical invalid CPs that had been recommended as workarounds for IE cookie blocking. Other sites had CPs with typos in their tokens, or other errors.
Indeed, a look at the detailed results from the Carnegie Mellon study shows that some Microsoft-owned web properties have errors in their CPs. Appendix D cites msn.com, safety.live.com, and windows.com—all owned by Microsoft—as having “slight differences between CP and privacy policy.” By contrast, the same appendix criticized facebook,com, godaddy.com, and hulu.com using more severe language language: “Policies do not match.” Amazon.com and imdb.com were listed as “Invalid CP, unable to compare.”
The abstract concludes:
It appears that large numbers of websites that use CPs are misrepresenting their privacy practices, thus misleading users and rendering privacy protection tools ineffective. Unless regulators use their authority to take action against companies that provide erroneous machine-readable policies, users will be unable to rely on these policies. [emphasis added]
That’s an eye-opener. The study that Google uses to justify its behavior concludes that regulators should “take action against companies that provide erroneous machine-readable policies.”
They’re talking about Google, among others.
This is a complicated topic, filled with nuance and opportunities for confusion. I'll be digging into the details more and will have a follow-up next week.
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that's very misleading
Folks, the real issue here is the technical ineptitude of apple and M$ that unlike Google, failed to implement the latest industry standards and misrepresented the privacy to the end user!
It can be safely assumed the Chrome is Google created
Pagan jim
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
obviously you are talking crazy and don't appreciate the treasure of free software and services from google that most people cherish.
The others are already free, too.
When was the last time you [b]paid[/b] to download IE, Safari, or even Firefox or Oracle?
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
Not often do I find occasion to agree with you, but on this subject we are in synch. This is the main reason I do not use any google products--none!!
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
They say they do no evil
Yeah, everybody knows how biased the Carnegie-Mellon folks are. You are wise to reject their study and believe Google instead.
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
most likely that 'study' was written by some disgruntled professor angry for not getting grant $$$ from google.
"Most Likely"?!
"Most Likely"?!?! Now you've gone from framing the facts to fit your argument (which is fine - we all do it) to rampant unfounded speculation. If I was going to take you seriously, well you just put a nail in that coffin by showing that you'll just make stuff up to argue with anyone who disagrees.
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RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
then you'll miss the outstanding user experience google provides using the latest technologies.
What outstanding experience?
Gmail has less features & is less user friendly than Yahoo Mail, in my [b]personal[/b] experience with using it. So much for "outstanding" experience or the "latest technologies".
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
Thanks for the tip! I went to the URL specified and added it to my IE 9's both the 64 bit and the plain Jane version. For people using FireFox, whichever flavor, add Ghostery to your add-on's. It too allows you to block 3rd party cookies, especially "Google" ones. It may take a little tweaking but to "Defeat the ET (Google) phone home syndrome it's worth the time and effort!!!!!!!
To The Linux Geek- keep drinking the Google Kool-Aid. Your either a paid Google shill or just in love with spyware on your machine! I'm sorry, I just had a epiphany,
you just love to stir the caldron, sit back and say to yourself : look what I did, I got them all stirred up again!!!
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
I'm more apt, as are many, to believe a study conducted by researchers with doctoral degrees and years of study with a given subject than your unfounded statements. For instance, what 'latest industry standard' did either Apple or Microsoft fail to implement relevant to this article/case?
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
you could always find a professor willing to make a phony study for a handout....err grant (or lack of grant). Google is a leader in standards and M$ and apple just have to follow the leader to fix privacy issues.
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
So the study that google sited is biased against google? Just because you love google doesn't mean you don't excoriate them when they are caught with their hand in the cookie jar
By a firefox user
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
you don't get it! It was M$ and apple being caught for not implementing the latest standards and proper privacy policies.
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
I get it fine its you who stated that the report google sited was biased against google.
Both Apple and MS have implemented the standard as its written, P3P is a poor standard and will eventually be replaced but it hasn't been replaced yet.
Google have been caught using an exploit in the P3P standard and as a company which preaches standard compliance this is embarrassing
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation
Or at least take the word 'linux' out of hour handle.
RE: Google defense cites study arguing for stronger privacy regulation