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If you love Windows XP, you'll hate Windows 7

By | January 1, 2009, 12:21pm PST

Summary: My colleague Jason Perlow has been playing with Windows 7, and he hates it. The sad thing is, all the things that he hates are improvements, in my opinion, which just goes to show that you really can’t please everyone. Jason describes a reaction I heard from plenty of diehard XP users when Vista was released. If you insist on using techniques you learned back in the last millennium, you will be frustrated. But I believe that an open-minded XP user who actually takes a few minutes to learn how the new UI works will be more productive very quickly with Windows 7. I’ve taken Jason’s three examples to prove my point.

Special Report: Windows 7

My colleague Jason Perlow has been playing with Windows 7, and he hates it. The sad thing is, all the things he hates are improvements, in my opinion, which just goes to show that you really can’t please everyone. But what’s sad to see is that every setting Jason describes as broken is in fact easily customizable so it works the way he wants it.

The crux of Jason’s complaint is simple: “I learned how to use Windows in 1998. Don’t change a thing.” Here’s his main argument in a nutshell:

I find it difficult to believe that Windows 7 was created to be easier to use than Vista — if anything, they’ve introduced a number of UI changes that make the system much harder to navigate, particularly if you’ve never used Vista and are going direct to Windows 7 from Windows XP, which is the path that many users will experience.

Yes, there’s a learning curve. And if you insist on using those techniques you learned back in the last millennium with software that was designed differently, you will be frustrated. But I believe that an open-minded XP user who actually takes a few minutes to learn how the new UI works will be more productive very quickly. The secret is breaking old habits and developing new ones. Let’s take all three of Jason’s examples and work through them.

Jason: “The ‘Run’ option is no longer directly accessible from the Start Menu, you have to get to it via a Search.”

Where do I begin? First of all, the Search box at the bottom of the Start menu does nearly everything the Run box did, and much more. If you begin typing a command, it appears in the Start menu, where you can click or press Enter to run it. With the Run box, I have to type a command in full and possibly even include its path. If I mistype the name, I get an error message. Want to play Solitaire? With the Search box, you can begin typing sol and the first choice on the list will be Solitaire, ready to run when you press Enter:

The Windows 7 Search menu is easier than the XP-style Run box

But the worst part of the Run box is that it requires you to learn the names of executable files. In XP, if you open the Run box, type solitaire, and press Enter you’ll get a cryptic error message. You need to know that the name of the executable is sol.exe. Want to play Minesweeper? You’re SOL with the Run box until you learn that the executable is named Winmine.exe. The Vista/Win7 Search box, by contrast, works with program names and executable files.

Still not convinced? You want the old- school Run box? So just press Windows key+R. That shortcut has been around since the mid-1990s and still works in Windows Vista and Win7.

Not good enough? Fine. Customize the Vista/Win7 Start menu to add the Run command and you can party like it’s 1998. Right-click Start, choose Properties, click Customize, and select this check box.

Customize the Vista/Windows 7 Start menu to add the Run box

Jason: “Another thing that greatly frustrated me was the fact that a fresh install of Windows 7 gives the end-user a blank slate on the Desktop, removing the familiar ‘Computer’, ‘Network’, ‘Control Panel’ and ‘My Documents’ icons, requiring users to get to those functions and folders via the Start Menu.”

Jason thinks this is “change for the sake of change.” I disagree. I’ve been talking to Windows UI designers and usability testers for years, and I can tell you that moving this stuff off the desktop is a huge usability win for novices and experts alike. If you rely on desktop icons, you have to minimize all open windows first before you can even see the icons on the desktop, then you have to click them. That adds unnecessary steps to every navigation option, and adds still more steps to get back to the windows you were working with previously. Once you wean yourself from desktop icons, all you have to do is tap the Windows key or click the Start button and you are one click away from any common file storage location. You can also press Windows key+E to open Explorer, where common locations are neatly arranged in the navigation pane.

Jason thinks the option to restore those desktop icons is “not intuitive.” Well, if you open the Start menu and type “desktop icons” in the Search box, the very first result is “Show or hide common icons on the desktop.” There’s another shortcut that’s even easier to discover. Every Windows user quickly learns how to right-click the desktop and choose Personalize, so they can adjust the desktop background (you old-timers remember it as wallpaper). When you do, you’ll see a very prominent “Change desktop icons” option at the top left. It leads here:

Put old-style icons back on the Vista or Windows 7 desktop

Jason: “I also find the Windows 7 Control Panel to be less intuitive than XP’s […] you now need one additional mouse click to see all the Control Panel options — of which there are now approximately double than which existed in XP. Clearly, they could have done a better job at consolidating functions, or at the very least, provided a better UI for navigating such a long list of stuff.”

The Windows XP Control Panel intuitive? A folder filled with icons, many with cryptic/technical names, doesn’t seem intuitive to me. I think familiar might be a more accurate word to describe the reaction of someone who learned where everything is the hard way. Meanwhile, if you want “a better UI for navigating such a long list of stuff” it’s right there already. See that search box in the upper right corner? It’s a huge improvement on the old folder full of Control Panel icons. If you don’t believe me, try changing your screen saver from the Windows XP Control Panel. Does it make sense that you have to click the Display icon and then choose the Screen Saver tab to get there? You know those steps because you’ve been doing it that way for 14 years, but it’s hardly intuitive.

By contrast, in Windows Vista and Windows 7, you type the word screen into the search box, and the list automatically filters as you type. I think this result list is pretty helpful:

Use the Search box in Control Panel to filter the list of optionsFor an even better example, try finding the option to show hidden files in Windows Explorer. With XP, you have to open Control Panel, double-click Folder Options, and then click the View tab. Now, would the average person know that file settings are under Folder Options? That hardly seems intuitive.

By contrast, type hidden in the Control Panel search box and here’s what you see:

Another example filtering the Control Panel options in Windows Vista and Windows 7

The very first option on the list takes you to the correct tab on the correct dialog box, with exactly one click. That’s a huge improvement over the XP solution; in fact, when I open Control Panel in Windows XP I am enormously frustrated over the inability to do anything except drill down into icons to find the right one.

The real problem most XP users will have when migrating to the Windows 7 interface is that they need to unlearn those old navigation models. The longer you’ve been using PCs, the more likely you are to reflexively assume that the solution is to pull down a menu or double-click an icon. Those techniques worked fine back in the 1990s, but today, with instant search available just about everywhere in the Windows UI, those old techniques are as dated as a pair of Dockers.

If you’re an XP veteran, take some time to learn why the new interface was designed the way it was. Believe me, those designers and  usability professionals didn’t just make this stuff up. If you’re willing to learn a few new techniques, I guarantee your productivity will increase over time.

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Windows 7 is completelu a waste of time and energy and for revenue only!
win7suckssobad 15th Mar
I agree with this gentleman Windows 7 completely sucks! Windows XP was finally the 1st real quality product Microsoft turned out in all these years. I have went from XP to 7 and actually went back and installed another hard drive and put xp back on it just for sanity reasoning and because it is so much more practical and better. Microcrap has gotten way out of control conitinually creating these new Operating systems to keep the cash flow rolling in which they don't even support decently since the most retaarted policy in the world called "END OF PRODUCT LIFE CYCLE" who are they to say if 95 works great and a customer shelled out the cash they should still fully support it and improve its flaws. I am so dissapointed in windows 7 and after looking at what Micro Crap has planned for windows 8 7 will absolutely be the last os I ever buy from them. Thhat operating system is so foolish and if you thought Vista sales were poor win 8 will make that look like the greatest product created! IT WILL NOT SELL people don't want that crap we like the way our PC's have worked for years. I bought my first Mac and I don't care to get a argument going here but being I am in the tech business the fact the Language is so much stronger the os is written in, and how inavative APPLE is I will never buy another MS based PC again and will only own Appple in my home from now on. MY MAC is exactly what they been advertising since macs were made and there statement couldn't be more true in the world "IT JUST WORKS"! And damn well I might add! I hope MS goes under with all its overboard mindless development. Who will they look to RIP off now that Steve Jobs is Dead and rip him off ever since the begining and if you were in the business like I was since it all started in the late 70's and early 80's you would know this to be so true. Call me fan boy what ever the hell that means I am just a smart consumer. And Steve Ballard is a mindless untalented sheep. You have to loo no further than the windows phone to know where Micro Crap is heading in the toilet and that is what they are basing windows 8 off of. Good Bye Microsoft and GOOD RIDDANCE!
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Loving Windows XP
ddougherty@... 1st Jan 2009
I don't understand what would be so difficult in giving users a chance to select "Use XP Interface" for those who don't relish leaning new commands for things they already know.
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BINGO
jperlow 1st Jan 2009
Why force change down user's throats? Every single enhancement in Vista and Windows 7 could have been presented in the same context as Windows XP.
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Things change - move on
planruse 1st Jan 2009
So should all interface design stand still because you can't be bothered to spend sometime learning what has changed and what the new ways of doing things are!

I don't recall car manufacturers having an option to choose the old style dashboard when you buy it either. Most normal people spend some time having a check where all the controls are and what the buttons do. I am sure they have even had a quick read of the manual if they are not sure!
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Not a good analogy
jperlow 1st Jan 2009
Changes in cars are relatively easy to comprehend because the basic controls for their operation haven't changed in at least 80 years. Sure, a modern car has a lot of extra gizmos and buttons than they did than 20 or 40 years ago, but at the end of the day, the steering wheel, the transmissions, accelerator and the brakes have remained the same. And by the same token, the most high-end sports cars in the $200,000 and up range have not changed their basic layouts in 40 years -- they are even simpler than most $20,000 family sedans. A 1960 Ferrari and a 2009 Ferrari or Maserati are just as easy to drive, because their controls are easy to use. It's optimized for driving and for the least amount of driver distraction.

PC Operating Systems are much more sophisticated than cars, at least from a learning and usability perspective. Minor changes can severely impact productivity and what may seem "more intuitive" is not readily accepted by end-users. Consider which age groups are using the system and how long it takes for a typical enterprise to roll in a new OS to its user population.
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but point still applies
planruse 1st Jan 2009
Maybe not a good analogy but the basic controls of Windows hasn't changed either. We still use mice, keyboards, monitor, etc. The taskbar is still at the bottom, the start button on the left, clock on the right. There is still a programs menu, accessories, control panel, etc. It still has letters for disk drives!

I don't find Windows 7 any harder to 'drive' from Windows 95 or XP either. I would say that I have found car stereos to have not got easier to use though!
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What age group are you in?
jperlow 1st Jan 2009
Are you a milennial? Under 30?
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What?
planruse 1st Jan 2009
I am over 30 but not sure why that matters. I could ask the same of you as I assume you are of the age where you are set in your ways wink
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What age group am I in?
Michael L Hereid Sr 2nd Jan 2009
Age in May of this year= I'll be 67 years young-do I find new UI's difficult? -NO. Just a learning curve is all-most are improvements of what was previous offered. Once learned is actually better-faster than before.
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Perlow is an illerate
code_Warrior 5th Jan 2009
Perlow, you call yourself a computer consultant.

Stop running a scan on unsuspecting individuals who end up paying for your worthless services.
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Mars Lander One to Skybase...
mstexas 5th Jan 2009
Do you read me? We are 3 minutes away from entry. Our system malfunction appears to be caused by Windows 2023. We are switching over to emergency XP. Things should be good to go at that point. Of course we won't be able to play 3D Martian Golf on this trip. Rats.
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pico_D 5th Jan 2009
And I found Vista a breath of fresh air, after XP. I think it was the Fisher Price/Tellitubbyness of XP which put me off.

I started programming on a VAX in the early 80s, moved through various home computers and mainframes, worked with MS-DOS, Windows and Apple System/Mac OS over the years.

After the release of XP, I went to Linux for a while, then to OS X and with Vista, I came back to using Windows on a regular basis. XP felt childish when it was released, and the "Classic" look made it look "so last century".

I much preferred the way OS X and Linux worked, over XP. Vista has brought some of the better functionality changes of the other OSes to Windows.

I switch between XP, Vista, OS X and Linux several times a day and they are all as easy to use as each other - some have advantages in one area or another, but in general, with the exception of XP, they are much-of-a-muchness these days. XP is still my least favourite OS; I can't wait for 6 o'clock to come around, so that I can get out of the office and carry on working at home for a couple of hours on my Vista or OS X machines...

On another note, my mother came to visit a couple of years back and she used my old laptop when she was there. She said, "your Windows is so much easier to use than mine!" My Windows was SUSE Linux 10.0! :-D

She now uses SUSE as her preferred operating system and she was over 60 when she switched to Linux!

Age has nothing to do with it. Some people are open to change, others aren't.

One of the biggest problems I've found (and I am not accusing you of this, it is a general observation I've seen repeated many times over the years) with moving to a new operating system or application is the "power" user. The novice user and the expert user generally don't have any problems moving from one OS to another, they just get on with it and they pick up the changes pretty quickly.

The "power" user, on the other hand, has taught himself a few "smart tricks" to make himself look like an expert. Somebody who people come to when they have problems. They don't understand the basics of how an operating system work, or how a particular type of application works, they know how to tweak a particular version, which makes them look good.

They are scared about moving to a new OS, package or version, because they will go from "power" user to "normal" user, until they learn the tips and tricks for the new version and that represents a loss of face, until they have found a source of useful tips-and-tricks on the internet or in a magazine.

This group of users are often very hostile to new versions of applications, whether they are better or not.

In one instance, I was working on as a fill-in on a helpdesk when a client switched from DisplayWrite IV to WordPerfect 5.1. The secretary of the CFO didn't want to switch. She kept logging calls with the helpdesk for the same problems (page size, tabs and printing - the converter from DW4 to WP5, for example, set the paper size to American Letter, not the International A4 that all the printers in the company worked with, which meant you needed to set the page size on a converted document before printing). I think the record was 6 calls in one day for the same problem on 6 different documents (and that was after a 3 day training course)! She wanted to show that WP5 just wasn't as good as DW4 and was just causing problems.

The CFO complained about the sharp escalation of calls with the switch-over. We had expected the change to colour the figures slightly for the first couple of weeks, but we had seen a rise of around 120% in the number of calls. We showed him the anaylsis, take out his secretary and the number of calls had actually fallen 5% in the first month!

After that, we didn't hear another peep out of her and the number of calls for the helpdesk returned to expected levels.

Back on topic, Vista isn't perfect and it did have problems when it was first released - many caused by OEMs looking to kill off old kit by not providing support under Vista. But the situation wasn't a lot different to when XP was introduced. The big difference is that users have had an extended period to get used to XP, as opposed to the regular upgrade cycle of Windows before XP came along.

Mix the "power user" syndrome with users generally getting complacent about XP, the switch to Vista's new interface has caused an uproar.

Me? I find the switch down to XP at work a pain. I'm used to hitting the Windows key on my keyboard and starting to type the name of the application I want to launch - a bit of a supercharged "run" command...
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the real problem is
coffee junky 5th Jan 2009
most are unaware that an super thin version of XP is available for purchase and Microsoft has announced it will be supported for approximately another 8 years ? it is called EMBEDDED XP, cost per copy is @ 90, while it is primarily for use in kiosks - Several computer manufactuters did use it as their base version. Vista will eventually be available in the embedded format - you can thin out every thing you do not like. Why recommend to your CIO cost per station is much less, stability strong, reliability higher, and on flexibility a good candidate.
.. you might consider buying the minimum number of copies as a test - before rolling out.

so if you don't like something - no problem leave it out.... simple
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code_Warrior is an illiterate?
ShineOn 5th Jan 2009
The proper phrase is "running a scam," not "running a scan."

I'm sure that could have been a typo, but when you're calling someone illiterate it pays to double-check your spelling and grammar before clicking "add."

Besides, "illiterate" doesn't apply - that means you can't read. Sounds like someone using big words to try to seem impressively intelligent, and failing miserably.
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Freak'n Old ...
escapepod 5th Jan 2009
At 61.75 years old, and still having my original set of Windows 1.1 floppies (5 1/4"), I find that when using Vista, I can run circles around the XP dweebs.
And now, I'm looking forward to learn the changes in Windows 7, so I can continue to teach the latest OS down at the nursing home.
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A simple solution...
Information_z 5th Jan 2009
...Is for Windows 7 to have a simple switch to run it in XP mode. A menu list to toggle the changes on and off individually allows people to ease into these so called improvements.

Microsoft should be wise enough to not alienate people who are sensitive to change. If we look at the percentage of the population that is over 50 it is easy to understand why this is just good business sense.
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What age group? How about over 55
SnoBoy 6th Jan 2009
And I agree. Yes Vista is a change, but I have to agree with Ed. Once familiar, it is easier adn It does keep my desktop clearer. I always do some customization - I use the Quick Launch for commonly used stuff, including a link to Computer. At first I didn't see much need for the sidebar, at least until I used it to display RSS feeds, security alerts, time, and a really cool RAM/CPU meter that shows my quad processor. I just bought a new PC for home with Vista Home Premium x64, which is becoming my main media station. I even run Vista Ultimate x32 on my Macbook Pro, which I like much better than Mac OSX 10.5, BTW.

FYI: I am an IT administrator/Security professional.
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An Illiterate !?
medcombwb 6th Jan 2009
Grow up... I don't always agree with Perlow, but resorting to childish name calling...???

Disagree, make your point why and move on !
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I'm 61. And I find Vista to be a far better version than WinXP, especially since SP1. I'm looking forward to Windows 7.

I'm not standing still for anyone. You could call me an above average user, as I'm not a tech geek. That means I'm not as heavily invested into the tricks of tweaking an OS, as a person such as yourself might be. I use my Vista every day for long periods and when I need to change something I just do a search either in the OS or the Internet to get the info I need. It's not hard. happy
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Simple Fact
kebija 8th Jan 2009
You bloviate about Vista and Windows 7 about how difficult it is to use; then you ask what age group people are in. People have gotten spoiled from Microsoft leaving XP on the market for so long. The average OS last 2 to 3 years before a new one is rolled out. You are telling me that people will have trouble figuring out how to use Win 7; the average person still does not know how to use XP. I have clients that are afraid to move from many of the legacy platforms. I loved those platforms but have also grown to appreciate what XP has to offer. My complaint is that Microsoft is attempting to make the PC more user friendly and ultimately taken more control away from myself and other power users. Get over yourself and start to apply some logic, it is us users that will make Windows 7 better not Microsoft. Oh just a little FYI, you can make Vista\Win 7 look pretty close to XP.
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Points apply to computers
jalexoid@... 2nd Jan 2009
Points apply to computers in general, but not to Windows in this context.
More precise comparison would be that the positions of pedals and the gears would have changed. Its like going from automatic gear box to manual or to flapy pedal gear box. It's not exactly radically different, but still a major PITA in the beginning.
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You are a smart guy, but....
ScottLander Updated - 1st Mar 2010
The reason you don't find Win7 or Vista any harder to 'drive' is because you are probably an experienced OS user. Probably been using computers for a long time, and because you are such a marvelous and smart guy, you like to point out that you are capable. Good for you. But ask your mom or dad, who spent the last 10 years trying to figure out how to use Win2k/xp, if Vista/Win7 makes computers easier for them. I guarantee you, the answer will be NO.

I am an advanced user like you. But heck, I have to say that the UI of Vista and Win7 had me stumped a few times. Sure I eventually figured it out, by researching and reading articles/comments like this. I can see the average computer users (like everyone who isn't as marvelous at computers like you), to have just as much difficulty learning Vista/7 as they did learning 2k/xp! For sure! This is why it raises the question and criticism - why change the front end so much? All it will do is make previous users bitter, and no improvement in learning times for new users! Stupid strategy, plain and simple.

Personally, I think the guy who wrote this article to be coming off as an apologist more than anything else. The guy he is criticizing (the one who hated Win7 UI) knows more about things and makes way more sense IMO.

After I played around with Win7 I was glad I still use XP. I don't see why M$ can't improve the engine without having to re-haul the exterior surface.
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Because..
AzuMao 1st Mar 2010
..in the Windows world, "modularity" isn't even a word. The GUI is permanently fused with the OS, completely inseparable, so the only way Microsoft know how to let people know the OS is new and improved, and is to give it a new GUI.
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Jason, you need to Watch "Top Gear"
Morgan_Reed 1st Jan 2009
Sorry, but your 2009 Ferrari analogy couldn't be more
incorrect. The sophisticated traction control, magnetized
shock towers, and multi-select power controls have
become their own particular form of "upgrade hell".

The most popular car show in the world, called "Top Gear"
and findable on BBC-A in America (or in snippets on
YouTube) has had entire segments dedicated to the start-
up procedures on modern supercars.

Just like Vista or OS X, they have a lot more technical
capability that just was not found in the Drum and Disk
140 bhp Ferraris of the 60's.

So before you pull the 2009 Ferrari analogy out of your
"pocket", go drive one. You'll be shocked with how far car
tech has come.

Morgan (Who doesn't own a supercar....yet!)
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Yes, another "Top Gear" fan!
msalzberg 1st Jan 2009
My dream car is an Aston Martin - you know, Sub-Zero on
the Cool Wall. But I'll take a Jag XF.
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Top Gear ROCKS!
Wolfie2K3 2nd Jan 2009
I'll have the Buggati Veyron... Or the Lambo Reventon... They only made 20 of those.. ;-(
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I'll have an Audi R8...
Sleeper Service 3rd Jan 2009
....but more realistically an A5.

*sigh*
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I've watched the program
jperlow Updated - 2nd Jan 2009
But it's still not a good analogy. If you compare a 2009 Ferrari Enzo or 2009 Maserati (identical car, same chassis/platform) and you compare the driver layout with a 1960s/1970's model, or let's say something like a 308, they fundamentally drive the same. They are still Ferraris, still sports cars. Almost no skill transition is required -- you know how to use a manual transmission, you know how to use the clutch. Yes, you do need to know about torque and how the gear ratios respond, how the car is going to respond to acceleration, but any seasoned sports car driver will know very easily how to adapt between a classic sports car and a supercar. Fundmentally the essentials do not change. You can make all sorts of cool enhancements under the hood, but at the end of the day, it's still a sports car.
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GuidingLight Updated - 2nd Jan 2009
Consumer electronics?

Model to model, manufacturer to manufacturer, the setup/features interface is different on each.

What do you do? Do you not purchase a new television, instead watch television in another room?

Or do you accept that fact that you purchase a new system, and once you take a few moments to learn it, you know where everyting is next time you have to access the controls?

Why is this such a monumental issue?
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If you'd been watching in the past couple of weeks, you would have noted Jeremy Clarkson reviewing the new Ferrari. There's all the electronics that control the suspension, the flappy paddle gear shift - these are all bits of knowledge that would help get you from making an arse of yourself on the track. But beyond that, he DID say it was a rather good car - better in many ways than the car's previous incarnation - the 430.
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Lousy messenger --> Time to get shot
Patanjali 3rd Jan 2009
What sort of writer about technology are you?

As a Tech Writer I have to get up to speed about technologies I have never come across. But as a writer for a technology site, you would have to deal with a lot more varieties of technology than I would, yet you are claiming to have a problem running a new VARIATION of Windows. Give us a break!


All sports (and 'normal') cars do not drive the same. There are ideosynchrasies, especially when pushed, that will create problems if you do not adjust for them.

In Australia, being a right hand drive country, most have the wipers activated by the left hand stick on the steering column and turn indicators by the right. However, several European manufacturers (such as Volvo) swap these over. After a couple of times of turning on the wipers to make a turn (accompanied by cursing), I learnt to get used to it. Everybody who drives these HAS to.
Moral: Change happens and if you want the car, you get with the changes!


The various versions of Windows ARE very similar, but to expect the GUI presentation not to evolve past XP is rather unrealistic, especially when things have changed under the hood. The XP interface was not the pinnacle of GUI design. And you CAN change the GUI to be more like you have been used to.

Most will probably find little difficulty getting around any version of Windows after having used one of them. Most would probably never use Run, except when following instructions from support or a web site. The next time they might need to use it, they would follow the instructions relevent to the new version of Windows.

To me it just reads like another beat up.
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FAIL!
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Jan 2009
Sorry Jason, but no.

In some parts of the world, most people have only ever driven cars with automatic gearboxes. Take one of those people and put them in a Ferrari or Lamborghini and tell them to get to the other side of town as quickly as they can. I recommend getting an ambulance on stand-by because blood would be spilled.

Driving a brand new high performance sports car does have some similarity to driving a 40 year old VW beetle, but the new sports car definitely demands new skills.

And herein lies the point. You can't/won't be bothered to adapt your skills to learn new ways to operate your computer. Read Ed's response to your issues - particularly the one about the usability of the new start menu & search box - far superior to Run in every conceivable way
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"flappy paddle gearbox"
Dr. John 5th Jan 2009
The "flappy paddle gearbox" is a common phrase on Top Gear when speaking about modern supercars. Didn't exist back when. i-drive style controls on newer cars didn't exist back when. ABS, didn't exist back when. Push start button to turn on the car, then push start button again to start car, didn't exist back when. The list of differences goes on and on. A different analogy should have been chosen.

hmmm... What????

Oven? Nope. Stove? Nope. Fridge? Nope. Faucet? Nope. TV? Nope. Toothbrush? Nope.

Silverware! A fork's still a fork! Hey! Found one!
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No shift lever!
escapepod 5th Jan 2009
In most of the Ferrari's and Maser's you just mentioned, there isn't a shift lever as you recall it from the '60s -- with their dual clutch disks, you change gears using the shift paddles mounted on the steering column stalk, and most likely, those models don't even have a clutch pedal, either.
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Now, be fair and logical
mustang_z 6th Jan 2009
Some cars of today are quite different than those 10 years ago. Some have barely changed.

And while it's true, car makers don't like to make too many changes that affect the driver (most changes do not involve the driver's knowledge), many cars do have paddle shifters, navigation devices, more sophisticated audio systems with MP3 connections, hands free phone devices, and relocated common controls.

Anyone new to some of these "improvements" or features will have to take the time to learn how to use them. That is very much the same as with Vista. Now, if you want to get technical, the improvements in cars are mostly hardware based, while Vista, WinXP, etc., is software.

Vista and WinXP still let the driver, oops, I mean the user move the OS to do what they want to do with it. Vista still can be driven to the Internet, just as XP. Actually, Vista even does MORE than old XP, kinda like those newer cars with their paddle shifters, fancy audio systems, and built-in automatic improvements just as ABS, movable headlamps, wiper sensors, etc.

I really think that your arguments are simply formed to try to support your view. What I mean is that picking apart the rather simplistic car analogy offered as a comparison of the differences between WinXP and Vista is a way to dismiss the logic.

Okay, go ahead. I hope your blanket keeps you warm for a long time.
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Reminds me of a story....
cstater@... Updated - 5th Jan 2009
We were walking past a swanky, downtown restaurant with the whole valet staff around a 'supercar' (my son knew what it was, I just thought it was cool...) and they were trying to figure out 1) how to open the door, 2) once in, how to start the thing and 3) how to actually make it move...for 5 minutes we had a good laugh, took a few photos...

Once they got it moving, I bet they had fun!

I am surprised the owner left it in their 'professional' automotive hands.
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Top Gear BBC!
agohige 5th Jan 2009
Great show, too bad the American version is kinda lame...
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American version?????
Dr. John 5th Jan 2009
What American version?
Though the prospect of rampant Americaphobe Jeremy Clarkson doing a version of TOP GEAR set in the US does have a certain wrongheaded appeal.... wink
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Jason, you need to Watch "Top Gear"
pseudoperson 5th Jan 2009
I think the point wasn't that car tech hasn't changed. It's obvious that it has. And for the most part for the better (mileage on average is still an issue.) Better tires, suspension, anytime all wheel drive, brake technology, cars now require less maintenance (fluids, plug and wiring last much longer), body and frame resistance to rust and the list goes on....

The basic feel of sitting in the cars has not changed much. The USER interface hasn't changed much.
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TOP GEAR! WH00T!
drprodny 5th Jan 2009
Hey, something Windows, Mac AND OSS fanboyz can agree on - TOP GEAR rocks! grin

@ Doctor "Jeremy Clarkson" John - settle back, have a nice warm milk, and give the Bentley Brooklands a calming spin around the track, there's a good fellow....

...Just don't hit the SPORT button! wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihY-kkTJJfo
I do sympathize with alot of what you are saying, but in the end, its all for naught because you are missing the big point. Entirely.

You do sound a bit like the old man climbing into his new Ford and complaining that they just don't make 'em like they used to. They have gone and moved the cigarette lighter, the electric door locks keep getting you confused with the power window switch, and why does the stereo have so many consarned buttons now?

Unfortunately for you, what the "old man" sees as change for nothing but change itself, is going to be found by new younger users as the better way to have things. Because home computers are such a new thing we really haven't had a decent opportunity for reflection on old OS's, after all, there are still some out there who are using Win98. But rest assured, years from now there will be some very good opportunities for reviewing and reflecting on decades old operating systems long since fallen out of use. And I am sure that one of the first things that will be said about XP will be that despite the literal hoards of negative press it got in the early part of its life it turned out to be a very reliable and effective operating system that gave new operating systems a yardstick to go by.

I'm also sure that in future retrospective analysis of Vista, Windows 7 and operating systems yet to come they will point out that despite the numerous detractors of these new OS's the best the complainers could do was to carp and whine about what were minor changes that actually improved the user interface in the long run, but like most old men the complainers really hate change, even when its for the best in the long run.
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RE: Not a good analogy
seamountie 5th Jan 2009
Horse droppings. If you dropped a driver from the
60's into one of those things, s/he might figure out
is was "automatic", but paddle shifters would flummox
them, they couldn't find where to put the key, nor how
to turn on the lights, nor the windshield wipers, nor
how to change between high and low beam. All these
basic controls have changed, and all but one without
option. You are either young, or have forgotten.
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RE: Not a good analogy
pseudoperson 5th Jan 2009
I've owned numerous cars from the 60s. Driving the car hasn't changed that much. You sound like you a describing a car from the 40s.

OK, turning on the brights use to be a button on the floor or a dashboard pull knob. Still it was a push or a pull or a flip. It wasn't first pull this then push that then you get the option to turn on the brights which is what Vista does.

The move from one way of using the brights was intuitive based on previous diving experiences (which by the way is what intuition is - assumed knowledge based on previous experiences). They never changed it so you had to open a dashboard compartment and search for the switch in the dark.
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I agree
fayeeyaf2002@... 5th Jan 2009
I have to agree here. My main gripe with Vista wasn't really anything to do with the interface. I loved the interface. It's just that they changed the stuff under the hood, much like when cars went from being purely mechanical to having a computerized brain. I /liked/ being able to pop open the hood and replace parts without having to worry about reprogramming the 'brain'. I don't like having to take my car in to a mechanic or buy thousands of dollars of high-end diagnosis tools just to figure out my spark plugs are dead, then replace them.
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Everything changes
ambercromby 5th Jan 2009
I find it funny that when equating an OS with a car and say that most drive an automatic and switch to a manual is difficult, but if recall correctly, automatics came out after manual transmission (I think they called them hyper-drives back in the day). Ask someone that has never driven an automatic drive one, be sure if you're riding shotgun you have your neck brace handy, they will slam on the break because of the habit of clutching.

Also cars from 40+ years ago didn't have as many features and features that we would no long like. I still have yet to see a Ferrari with a crank coming out of the front of it. And some for the better, seat belts come to mind, that many find cumbersome and don't use at all.

Changes happens, some good, some not so good. I recall going form Windows 3.1 to 95, what a pain, but I survived and embraced the changes. Same with NT to 2000 or XP to Vista, they are different. You say you want to have an option to switch to XP (heck why not an option for an OSX gui), then you would go on about how bloated the software is.

Granted I use XP and Ubuntu as my main choice for an OS, but I have no issues with Vista, just don't need to make that change yet. And I also would prefer a standard transmission Subaru over an automatic Ferrari. Call me sick.
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Right ON!
tjaraujo@... 5th Jan 2009
Almost verbatem that is what I have written Microsoft over and over again. We have over 2000 users and if Microsoft thinks that every three to five years we have the time energy and money to retrain our users to re-learn an operating system and supportive programs they are insane!!! Maybe if they were toys that users play on they would have the time and inclination to spend the time to become proficient. Where does the retraining costs come from. Everyone talks about ROI, well, by the time you are achieving this a new system comes out and you are back to square one. I suggested that everyday while the designers are working on these systems that mechanics should be in the parking lot at Microsoft rearranging the vehicles and how they operate so that when they come out to drive homes it will take another 8 hours to re-learn how to operate their vehicles and hopefully be able to drive home and back to work the next morning!
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What?! Not a good analogy?
mustang_z 6th Jan 2009
What planet are you from??

Change is change. There are all sorts of analogies that can be made here, but a closed mind is just that. And change in anything rarely conforms to such a mind. Changes are made (usually) to make things better in the long run. Closed minded folks only see themselves and what they want or what they "had", they don't see beyond that.

I'm 61 years old and I've gone from using a Mac in 1984 to using Windows 3.1, 95, 98, Me, XP to Vista. For me Vista is by far the best. It was different than XP but even I managed to learn the differences (and I'm still learning).

Should software developers go back to making old software just so closed minded folks can remain unchanged? I don't know of anything in this universe that does not change either by force or intent. Why did you change from Windows 3.1 all the way to XP, that's what I would like to know. Oh, soft improvements. Easy little steps I suppose. Nothing to challenge you, your mind.

Everything is evolving. In the chess world, the database software has changed as much as Windows has since 1984. It's by far more sophisticated today than ever, just as Vista is now.

In the world of genealogy, The Generations Network, owner of Ancestry.com has developed the most sophisticated software application to date (Family Tree Maker 2009)! Totally redesigned with newer programming techniques that allowed them to do so much more with the software's ability to search for records at their website and to allow access to other sites within the software. The software changed dramatically between Family Tree Maker 2006 and the complete rewrite of Family Tree Maker 2008, which has been updated to version 2009. Many users of the old software were very upset about the changes, just as the old (and I do me old) WinXP users are about Vista.

You can delay changing from WinXP as long as you like, but one day WinXP will be the old Win 3.1. You might feel comfortable with it now but you will not have learned how to use Vista, the forerunner of Windows 7 and future Windows versions. And you CANNOT learn Vista (or Windows 7) without using it.

So, you can either cling to your blanket or let it go.
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Of course things change.....
ghot@... 3rd Jan 2009
...but if they don't change for the better...then they are useless. Your' comparison to the automobile industry doesn't hold water either...THEY don't make their cars MORE difficult to use...quite the opposite!

There's a reason 90% of the WORLD is grimly hanging on to XP....because it IS a better OS...not because they are afraid to learn. They already KNOW that adding a severely bloated and UN intuitive GUI is NOT going to improve an OS....change for the sake of change is pointless....change for the better is the way to go. MS isn't laying off employees in January because they made GOOD decisions, but rather because they tried to browbeat the consumer into buying an OS that isn't and hasn't turned out to be either more productive or more intuitive.
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Users are the issue.
agohige 5th Jan 2009
If my users are going to have to learn a whole new GUI, why should I make them learn Vista or Windows 7? If they have to learn something new, have them learn Ubuntu & Open Office and keep the $$$$ in our pockets and not in Microsofts. Microsoft chose to break a very easy to use GUI.
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That would make sense though
AzuMao 5th Jan 2009
The whole reason people claim Vista is superior is
because they don't want to make sense. They like to
try and stir up **** for no reason.
I agree with this gentleman Windows 7 completely sucks! Windows XP was finally the 1st real quality product Microsoft turned out in all these years. I have went from XP to 7 and actually went back and installed another hard drive and put xp back on it just for sanity reasoning and because it is so much more practical and better. Microcrap has gotten way out of control conitinually creating these new Operating systems to keep the cash flow rolling in which they don't even support decently since the most retaarted policy in the world called "END OF PRODUCT LIFE CYCLE" who are they to say if 95 works great and a customer shelled out the cash they should still fully support it and improve its flaws. I am so dissapointed in windows 7 and after looking at what Micro Crap has planned for windows 8 7 will absolutely be the last os I ever buy from them. Thhat operating system is so foolish and if you thought Vista sales were poor win 8 will make that look like the greatest product created! IT WILL NOT SELL people don't want that crap we like the way our PC's have worked for years. I bought my first Mac and I don't care to get a argument going here but being I am in the tech business the fact the Language is so much stronger the os is written in, and how inavative APPLE is I will never buy another MS based PC again and will only own Appple in my home from now on. MY MAC is exactly what they been advertising since macs were made and there statement couldn't be more true in the world "IT JUST WORKS"! And damn well I might add! I hope MS goes under with all its overboard mindless development. Who will they look to RIP off now that Steve Jobs is Dead and rip him off ever since the begining and if you were in the business like I was since it all started in the late 70's and early 80's you would know this to be so true. Call me fan boy what ever the hell that means I am just a smart consumer. And Steve Ballard is a mindless untalented sheep. You have to loo no further than the windows phone to know where Micro Crap is heading in the toilet and that is what they are basing windows 8 off of. Good Bye Microsoft and GOOD RIDDANCE!

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