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I'm switching to a Mac. Here's how (and why)

By | November 15, 2010, 6:00pm PST

Summary: I’ve had a Mac sitting alongside my PC for more than a year. This week, I decided to get serious about my cross-platform experiment. But I’m not “switching” in the way that Apple defines this term. I’ve found a better way.

It’s true. I’m switching to a Mac. Of course, I’ll be switching back to a PC shortly after, and then switching back to the Mac sometime later, and then back and forth - switching from Mac to PC and vice versa - for the foreseeable future.

For more than a year I’ve been trying to figure out the best way to add some Mac and OS X experience to my portfolio of PC skills. I bought a Mac Mini almost exactly a year ago, trading an older model for the most up-to-date model Apple offered at the time, with a Core 2 Duo processor and discrete Nvidia graphics. I’ve used that machine sporadically over the last year, sometimes for lengthy stretches, other times for brief experiments and simple tasks. I’ve done several reinstalls, with and without Time Machine backups, and at least one full OS upgrade along the way.

But last week I finally decided to get serious with this experiment. After a few tweaks and some careful cable-swapping, I now have 24-inch monitors lined up side by side, each running at full 1920×1200 resolution and sharing a single keyboard and mouse.

Here’s what my desktop looks like. The shared keyboard and mouse are about 21 inches in front of the dual displays and not visible here. (And yes, that is a SpongeBob Squarepants pen holder on the left side of the desk. Eat your heart out.)

  • The display on the left is being driven by an HP Pavilion Elite desktop PC with an i7-920 CPU, 10GB of RAM, and an upgraded Nvidia graphics card. I bought it as a refurb from HP’s official outlet site more than 10 months ago for a mere pittance. The PC I received was new, in its original box with a factory warranty. (It cost $659, and I added about $300 worth of after-purchase upgrades). [Note: this paragraph has been updated to reflect the source of the PC.]
  • The display on the right is connected to the Mac Mini. This model doesn’t include user-upgradeable memory (and I don’t feel like prying it apart to do the upgrade). I purchased it as a refurb from the Apple Outlet for $744 (it arrived in original box and was indistinguishable from a new machine). I paid another $100 for the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. It has its stock 2GB of RAM and a 320GB hard drive.

The beauty of this setup is that I’m not “switching” in the way that Apple defines this term. I’m not forswearing one way of doing things for another, not undergoing a religious conversion, not pledging allegiance to a brand identity. I’m not giving up Windows and using a Mac exclusively, or vice versa. Rather, the goal is to be comfortable enough to move between machines and use the best tools on each one with as little friction as possible.

The secret of truly being able to use these systems side by side is a free, open-source program called Synergy, which runs on both the Mac and the PC and allows the use of a single keyboard and mouse without any switching. If I drag the mouse pointer to the far right side of the PC monitor and then keep going, the pointer appears on the Mac, where I can click or double-click any object on the Mac desktop. Dragging the pointer back to the left edge of the Mac display and then beyond moves the pointer back to the PC.

It wasn’t especially easy to set up Synergy, but after a few false starts I got things working properly. On the next page, you can see what the Windows Synergy control panel and corresponding Preference Pane on the Mac look like.

Page 2: Getting everything set up just right –>

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Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications.

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RE: I'm switching to a Mac. Here's how (and why)
Swift2001 27th Dec
@mike2k Well, there's the refurb market. That takes a good chunk off the price. Go on the Apple site and look for refurbs. There's eBay, too. You can pick up a used Mac for a bigger price reduction, though the AppleCare will be shorter (the AppleCare goes with the machine.) You know, I can remember when Windows computers were $2 grand, and Macs were more. Can you get a Windows desktop for less that about $500? A hundred more gets you a Mac mini. The MacBook Air is selling so well that it's many people's favorite computer. Light, fast, and starting at $999. Also available refurbed. Don't know if you can get used, people hang on to them.
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Thanks you
Richard Flude 15th Nov 2010
Looking forward to hearing more about your experiences.
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Experiences...
jacarter3 Updated - 16th Nov 2010
@Richard Flude

I have been doing essentially the very same thing for the past 3 years. But I do it a bit differently. I run only a MacBook Pro with 8GB RAM which is way more than adequate for the Snow Leopard OS. Then I run Windows 7 Pro x64 or Win XP Pro in a VM that gets its very own monitor. Win XP gets a 3GB allotment of RAM as it cannot address more than that. Win 7 gets 4GB which is adequate for it to run easily and the virtual GPU with a "dedicated" 256 MB RAM is more than adequate for Aero and all of my 3D CAD programs (all 64 bit builds).

Thanks to VMWare and the nVidia graphics with 512MB of dedicated RAM, 3D apps in the guest are very smooth and have yet to be a performance issue for SolidWorks 2010 loading and manipulating large assemblies with 4 or more levels of assembly hiearchy. It is a common myth that the host OS and hypervisor unduly load the CPU and guest performance suffers greatly. Performance impact is on the order of 10%-15% which I can live happily with given all the other advantages.

Now I can move my mouse back and forth and select which OS I wish to interact with. But even more importantly, I can cut and paste between OSes and their apps as well as transfer files with a simple drag and drop (not needing drop boxes for file transfers). Also VMWare allows for shared folders obviating the need to run synchronization software in both host and guest.

Even better experiences come at the end of the day, obviously =) I just minimize the Windows window to the dock and close the machine. It stays in standby until the next morning or time I need it when I open it and immediately start to work. Click on the Windows dock icon and it's back to full screen too. How nice! No booting! Just instant on computing in any OS or application set that is best for the tasks at hand.

BTW Office 2011 for the Mac seems just a little more easy to use but is not substantially different than Office 2010. I have mot had any formatting issues or file translation faux pas yet.

And I agree that simple photo editing on old or free Windows apps is just easier than the ones that came with the Mac. Unfortunately, they don't work in Win 7 Pro x64 so I am force to close it and start Win XP to use them. Fortunately, Adobe Lightroom is more than able to do most of the same simple tasks and runs in both Windows and OS-X (legally with the same license).

I have found that having a foot in both Mac and Windows camps has its advantages.

I am glad that Ed is starting to see these as well.

Just shhhhhhh....

don't let NonZealot hear about this...
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Oh, but NZ has a MBP...
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 16th Nov 2010
@jacarter3... on which he runs Windows 7 strictly. He claims that Steve Jobs threw him under the bus on NZ's purchase of the Mac.
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That sounds like him...
jacarter3 16th Nov 2010
@Snooki_smoosh_smoosh

Gee, I hope the bus is okay...

LOLOL wink
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RE: I'm switching to a Mac. Here's how (and why)
bvonr@... Updated - 16th Nov 2010
@jacarter3 I am using Windows 7 Pro on a Core i7 940 with 12G of ram and found a hackintosh ISO image I put on VMWare Workstation with dual monitors so I could try out OSX just because I wanted to know what a Mac was like. I have no intentions of buying a Mac (or iPad) I am strictly a Windows guy. Having them side by side I am able to use both at the same time which is far better than having to reboot to a different partition or machine. I also have Ubuntu and BSD on VM's for the same reason. I use XP Mode (but not very often as Win 7 runs everything I have thrown at it)
@jacarter3

NZ was fired, that's why is not here 9 to 5 anymore. Don't worry, they hired a bunch of other full time bloggers.
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@Richard Flude "Looking forward to hearing more"

Indeed, this is interesting, not so much about a platform conversion, but the software used to share a keyboard. I would really like to see one of these multiple machine configurations in person. My first question is whether or not the clipboard (copy & paste) is shared, and secondly whether volumes (HDDs and CD/DVDs) are shared and whether files can be moved from desktop to desktop (meaning the actual file on one desktop can be copied or moved to the other platform's desktop).

It sounds like great stuff, especially for handing off CPU tasks to another machine, like using another Mac or PC to do video encoding. I hope for a followup article, Ed!
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@Geotopia

Synergy does support clipboard copy & paste between computers. Occasionally it flakes out and I have to restart both client and server to get it to work again.

Synergy does not map drives nor synchronize files. Ed's post says he uses Dropbox and Windows Live Mesh on both machines to keep files synchronized between machines.

Synergy does work on Linux too.

-Craig-
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fair go
Tom6 Updated - 16th Nov 2010
Good to see Ed giving Mac a 'fair go' with 2Gb Ram against a Windows machine of 10Gb Ram. I am sure his style will give equally fair comparisons.
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Wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't a Mac
cquirke Updated - 17th Nov 2010
@Tom6

It wouldn't be a problem if it was a cheap generic PC; just add RAM, or pull the old RAM and replace it. But some Macs both solder in the RAM and offer no free slots to add - so in a way, the comparison is entirely valid.

And, as Ed says, the two machines cost the same - so if Apple gives less bounce for the buck, let the comparison reflect that.
@cquirke

Could you name one? Slips my memory.
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@Richard Flude

I have to use Macs to test our software compatibility and I'm so glad I use Windows for work and play. I find the Mac UI to be a mixture of the 1990s and a game designed by a 14 year old boy with ADD. I'm so happy when I get to go back to Windows.

I know you can get used to anything and obviously Mac users love it, but it still feels like a mess to me. That top menu bar is so Lotus 1-2-3.

In the end the OS is just the platform for applications and I've seen nothing on the Mac that didn't have a better choice (and lots more of it) on Windows.

So good luck with it Ed, but I really can't see the point wink
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@tonymcs@...

... were lifted directly out of OS X. Since Windows 7 still has code in it from the 1990s, I wouldn't be so quick to judge.
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Of course, RationalGuy
Mister Spock 16th Nov 2010
A great many people tend to like the new UI of Windows 7, so let us try and minimize Microsoft's work and vision on it by crediting Apple for it.

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@tonymcs@... 2 words Garage Band & Logic Audio for Musicians these are best in class and in Garage Bands Case has been copied by many but not in a good way so Tony your talking rubbish i also fix PC's that come in from my fellow Musicians and they are usually atrociously slow so don't talk crap buddy cause you hav'nt experienced enough apps to comment!
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RE: I'm switching to a Mac. Here's how (and why)
john_gillespie@... 17th Nov 2010
Did you ever notice that in Windows there is a menu bar for the 'desktop' and another for each application? ... unless you maximize then you would call it Window and not Windows.
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RE: I'm switching to a Mac. Here's how (and why)
dave@... Updated - 21st Nov 2010
@johnpall: Garage Band is just a poor toy of a copy of an older version of Sony's (formerly Sonic Foundry's) Acid. Logic was an also-ran PC DAW program (also on the Mac and the Atari ST) when Apple bought the company. There are much better options on Windows: Acid, Sonar, Nuendo, Protools, etc. Or even on the Mac, for that matter (the latter two at least used to be fully supported in MacOS, i assume they are still around).
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Exploration and Productivity
iluvmsft 15th Nov 2010
Writing an article using iPad would have been awesome (reality: painful). For exploration, I think the experiment of Windows + (Synergy) + Mac is ok. But for productivity, I seriously doubt. Why would you write an article in Mac and post it using Windows Writer? You can all do this in Windows (with ease).
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Certainly you can!
jacarter3 16th Nov 2010
@olePigeon

Just as long as it's MS technology

LOLOL wink
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@olePigeon

I never understood this either. While it is no secret that Windows is my platform of choice I try to get as much information on all forms of technology because I simply enjoy technology. Of course everyone has their favorites but should understand that no one technology is best for everyone.
@olePigeon I'm a fan of good technology with a purpose. New for the sake of new is really a waste of time and resources.
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@iluvmsft

My customers use both PC and Mac, so it makes sense for me to use both.

Also, my Mac mini stays on my desk and is always available. My PC is a laptop that I shutdown and take with me occasionally. Inevitably I need a file, need to check mail or find something on the web once I shutdown my laptop... but my Mac is ready an willing to oblige.

-Craig-
required mixing a stable with a "latest packages" you hunted down on a mirror site and then manually copying dlls. On OS X, you ran the installer and did a "few clicks."
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Yes, isn't that interesting?
Ed Bott 15th Nov 2010
@frgough It's almost like some things are easier on one platform and some are easier on the other. Who would've thunk it?
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I will be interesting ...
RationalGuy 16th Nov 2010
@Ed Bott

... to see how the two platforms fair against each other over time in a literal side-by-side comparison. Please keep us updated on how this setup works out in practice.
of the fence is network browsing and connecting to shares. Every time I have to make a network connection in OS X, I want to hit Jobs with a clue stick. But for everything else, using Windows is like suffering death by a thousand paper cuts; it's an extremely annoying operating system.
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Can you provide details?
ye 16th Nov 2010
@frgough: But for everything else, using Windows is like suffering death by a thousand paper cuts; it's an extremely annoying operating system.

I hear this all too often from Mac fanboys but they fail to provide examples other than personal preference.
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Networking isn't that bad on OS X
nix_hed 16th Nov 2010
@frgough If you have multiple workgroups, it can be annoying. However, I find it harder to use Windows networking now, especially when I have to log into a share to access certain files and folders or gain read/write access instead of just read-only access, since Finder gives you that nice "Connect As" button in the upper right-hand corner of the window.

Otherwise, I still find it ironic that Microsoft ended up copying Apple on the UI front again with Windows 7.

@ye - I was sitting in a Micro Center yesterday (waiting on the sales guy to bring me my AppleTV), and some potential switchers were looking at the new MacBook Air. They didn't know what to do at first, but when I told them how the UI worked both on-screen and through the trackpad and keyboard, the woman in the group was like "This is a lot easier than my HP ever was." 30 seconds and they both knew how to use it like they've been basic users for years - that's the magic of OS X.

Moral of the story is sometimes people can't explain the brilliant simplicity of Mac OS and you just have to experience it for yourself. Now don't take this as "Mac OS is better than Windows", because that's not the point - both operating systems have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm just advocating to try it with an open mind.
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Windows Annoyance Details? Where do I begin. I've used DOS and Windows machines to make my living for 25 years, but some Windows annoyances still surprise me. Like, how easy it is to hang a machine tight (no Ctrl-Alt-Del) when something goes awry with optical media. How about so many dialogs that are left-over from Win3.1 so they cannot be expanded and it's impossible to see a useful amount of information? And what about things like Event Viewer windows that always have to be re-sized and columns re-sized in order to be useful? How about long delays to open local network connections? And what about the right-click context-menu hangs that are so common to so many people? Is the OS that hard to write stable code for, such that even context-menus can hang Windows Explorer? I'm sure I can list many more.
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Reply to Networking isn't that bad on OS X
UnixMan2501 16th Nov 2010
@nix_hed The real problem is security. Mac are know for there lack of security. Ease and real security do not mix.

That said I do my Networking on a Mac through Terminal. That is more secure, but not much and if your not a Unix guy... Good lucky, CLI can be a real pain.
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@nix_hed: Moral of the story is sometimes people can't explain the brilliant simplicity of Mac OS and you just have to experience it for yourself.

A 30 second demo in Micro Center isn't convincing. I own both and neither is easier / harder than the other. They're just different. You can pretend there's something magical about OS X being easier but there's not. At least not that I've observed nor has anyone ever presented. Perhaps you'd be so good as to tell us what was easier that led to this woman to conclude OS X was easier?
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OS X has no annoyances?
ye Updated - 16th Nov 2010
@Mike The Cat: Windows Annoyance Details?

No one said Windows was perfect. And neither is OS X. While I don't agree that all of what you listed are annoyances (because I don't see most of them as valid) I'm not going to debate each one because there are annoyances. In each operating system. So to discuss each one of them seems pointless.
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Thats so true frogough!!
Ron Bergundy 16th Nov 2010
everybody HATES Windows because it just never works no matter what you do. If Apple could get the price down on their stuff to that of a PC we would see the world rid of M$ (and Dell and HP) in about 6 months time no questions asked!!!
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@ye, dude, you asked for examples that support that other persons complaints about Windows (annoyances). You didn't really expect that people were going to correctly guess YOUR ideas instead of actually answering your question, right? Just because you don''t mind having to perpetually expand windows and columns in Windows own tools, that doesn't mean the rest of us are fine with it. Go have a look at the display of Services.

Or for an example of dialogs you cannot re-size even if you want to, check out SQL-Server 2008 R2, running under Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, have a look at the dialog boxes used to specify indexes. How 1993. Is there nobody on MS staff who has the time to update this stuff to 1998? Or is it all OK because people like you don't mind wasting thousands of clicks and keystrokes every day simply because you're familiar with the particular patterns of waste in your OS of choice?

Let's see, in SQL-Server I can specify an index key using many fields, representing thousands of bytes, yet I'm only allowed to see about 50 bytes of fieldnames at a time. Isn't that special!?!
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RE: I'm switching to a Mac. Here's how (and why)
DeusXMachina Updated - 17th Nov 2010
@ye
I have responded to you directly about this on other threads, so your statement to the contrary is a lie.
You want an example? Menus is windows instead of a dedicated menu bar is a waste of screen real estate (since every window needs their own) as well as a waste of time. I challenge you, even on a small 13" screen, to activate a menu item faster than I can on the mac, simply because, being at a screen boundary, you can NOT overshoot the menu in the vertical dimension. As such, their is no need for "inertial dampening".

There are countless other examples.
try comparing expose to Flip 3D for a good laugh.

Whether you agree or not, the numerous examples given by several posters here makes the next time you say that no one has given you examples, that much more egregious of a lie. I am quite sure, however, given your past posting record, that this will not stop you for an instant.
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What's the point?
ye Updated - 17th Nov 2010
@Mike The Cat: dude, you asked for examples that support that other persons complaints about Windows (annoyances).

I know there are annoyances in Windows. You'd be a fool to think they don't exist. But what constitutes an annoyance to one person may not be for another. Hence the "personal preferences" qualification of my statement.

The same applies to OS X. There are just as many annoyances in OS X as there are Windows. For example I know people hate the idea of having to resize a windows from just the lower right hand corner. Nor do people like the behavior of the "maximize" button. All annoyances to them but I don't have an issue with either of them.

With that said I see no reason to get into a *** for tat discussion about annoyances. They're primarily based on personal preferences or some trivial thing which are essentially irrelevant to productivity. For every Windows annoyance you name I can name one for OS X. So I see no reason to do so. I acknowledge Windows has its annoyances. The question is: Will OS X users (aside from myself) acknowledge they exist for OS X?
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@DeusXMachina: You want an example? Menus is windows instead of a dedicated menu bar is a waste of screen real estate (since every window needs their own) as well as a waste of time.

This is your personal preference. Personally either one is fine with me.

I challenge you, even on a small 13" screen, to activate a menu item faster than I can on the mac, simply because, being at a screen boundary, you can NOT overshoot the menu in the vertical dimension. As such, their is no need for "inertial dampening".

Seriously? Did you really just challenge me to something some trivial and lame? Is this what counts as increased productivity by the Mac fanboys? That it takes 1/10000th of a second less time to reach a menu? Seriously?

Whether you agree or not, the numerous examples given by several posters here makes the next time you say that no one has given you examples, that much more egregious of a lie. I am quite sure, however, given your past posting record, that this will not stop you for an instant.

Your inability to comprehend what I wrote does not make me a liar.
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@Mike The Cat

You can "Author" the mmc window to customise it.
Run the mmc as Administrator and there is an option called "Author" (I'm using Ubuntu at the moment, so I can' check the name).
Adjust the window size and settings for each console entry and then save it with your own file name (don't change the extension).
Pin your new mmc to the Taskbar (or Quick Launch) and use it instead of the built-in one.
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Not really a Windows/Mac issue
daftkey 16th Nov 2010
@frgough -

I've been using Synergy+ for quite a while to share my keyboard and mouse with my desktop and my laptop when working at home. My installation (on Windows) has been exactly that - double-click an installer, set it up, use it.

Not sure of the problems Ed ran into, but if the procedure has changed from "click-install-run", then it's a stupid open-source developer problem, not a Windows/Mac problem.
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RE: I'm switching to a Mac. Here's how (and why)
StupidTechZealots-23432415690276115908309621553360 Updated - 16th Nov 2010
@nix_hed I built a hackintosh and ran it for 6 months. For 6 months my wife yelled at me for putting stupid Apple software on it. I'm a technology nut so I want explore new things. She wanted it to just work and be able to do the stuff she always did. She didn't want to completely relearn everything so she could use OSX. She never figured it out. And she was so happy when I put Windows and Ubuntu back on it. Funny thing is, she loves Ubuntu. She took to that instantly. She thinks that is a great OS because everything is free and it has tons of games that you can download in seconds. It was very easy to learn. She also loves her Android phone. She figured that one out too. Just something about OSX annoyed the hell out of her. And is the magic of OSX. Honestly, it's not a bad OS at all. It has lots of nice features but so do Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.10 with Compiz Fusion. I don't think any one OS has a significant lead over the other two.
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@frgough

IMO, this has to do with Synergy being open source and not currently under support. Great tools. It's about time that someone developed it as a commercial package. Absolutely worth $20 per machine.

Just my $0.02. happy

-Craig-
I've been wanting to do this for a couple of years now. I need to increase my experience with Macs and the OS so I can expand my tech skills to my friends/family that need help. One thing in the way....$$$$$$$ Can't bring myself to pay so much for a Mac
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@mike2k - Macs are no longer expensive, they start around $589 and go up to $1,200. Plus, since Macs are built so well, you get a lot back when you upgrade, with PCs, you lose most all your investment when you buy, that's why people good with money always have Macs.

Go to: www.macprices.net - for the full national matrix of all the various vendors and prices... or even go to Apple for the special deals. You pay more if you by Macs from Apple, but not always.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac

Macs haven't been expensive since 1998, so it's time to join the party!
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RE: I'm switching to a Mac. Here's how (and why)
mike2k Updated - 16th Nov 2010
@Pederson

In what world is "around" $589 not expensive?

and thank you for assuming that only "Macs are built so well..." I take pride in my PC that I built from scratch and is a gaming beast. The Mac equivalent (if there even is one) would cost 3x that easy

So, i don't have a Mac, which means, according to you, I'm not good with money. Your comment is insulting and thoughtless
@mike2k Well, there's the refurb market. That takes a good chunk off the price. Go on the Apple site and look for refurbs. There's eBay, too. You can pick up a used Mac for a bigger price reduction, though the AppleCare will be shorter (the AppleCare goes with the machine.) You know, I can remember when Windows computers were $2 grand, and Macs were more. Can you get a Windows desktop for less that about $500? A hundred more gets you a Mac mini. The MacBook Air is selling so well that it's many people's favorite computer. Light, fast, and starting at $999. Also available refurbed. Don't know if you can get used, people hang on to them.

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