ie8 fix
madison

In the battle for the living room, the ghost of Steve Jobs looms large

By | October 23, 2011, 6:00pm PDT

Summary: The major battles in the post-PC era will be fought in the living room, and the den, and the dorm room, and just about any place where people watch movies and TV programs and listen to music. Apple, Microsoft, and Google are all positioning their forces now. What will it take to succeed, and who will lead?

We can argue endlessly about when the post-PC era began and how steeply the market for conventional personal computers will decline. But there’s no question that process has begun, and the next battleground is engaged.

That war will be fought in the living room—and the den, and the dorm room, and just about any place where people watch movies and TV programs and listen to music.

It’s been an open secret for years that Apple will make a play for the living room eventually. Despite Steve Jobs’s protestations that Apple TV was “just a hobby,” a high-definition TV is the inevitable next step in the natural evolution of the Apple ecosystem.

And sure enough, the most recent excerpt of the Steve Jobs bio contains what appears to be definitive confirmation of those plans.

“I’d like to create an integrated television set that is completely easy to use,” Jobs reportedly told biographer Walter Isaacson before his death. “It would be seamlessly synced with all of your devices and with iCloud. … It will have the simplest user interface you could imagine. I finally cracked it.”

That’s bad news for Microsoft, and even worse news for Google, both of whom are Apple’s chief rivals for this space. So what does it take to “crack the code”?

As someone who has been watching the digital living room for years, I think there are three elements:

First is user experience. Not just the process of using the system, but avoiding the hassles of setup that have relegated home theater systems to hobbyists and gadget geeks.

Second is the business relationship with content providers worldwide. Digital music is simple by comparison, and it has taken years for iTunes to build the global network that allows anyone to buy songs and albums with a click or a tap. Amazon and Microsoft are still playing catch-up, and Google is getting ready to enter that market. With movies and TV, you have a thicket of licensing and distribution models originally built to protect exclusive viewing windows. Cracking that code would make nine-dimensional chess look easy.

Third and last is the cable/satellite infrastructure, which is protected by government regulations and business relationships that will be difficult to disrupt. HBO and other popular programming providers have been notoriously resistant to anything that involves distribution over the Internet. Microsoft embraced cable support with Media Center, with little commercial success. I believe Apple wants nothing to do with the mess that is CableCARD, and is much more interested in bypassing cable and satellite providers than in partnering with them.

Apple’s introduction of iCloud is obviously the first piece of the puzzle. Even more important is the company’s unbroken record of protecting content with digital rights management (DRM) with no interference from third parties. The one and only attempt was Rhapsody, which Apple fought fiercely and won. There’s no more DRM on music, but it’s still there for other types of content.

Microsoft has a greater toehold in the living room thanks to the success of its Xbox consoles. Gaming was the Trojan horse; the real reason for Microsoft’s willingness to spend years and lose billions to succeed in this market is its early and prescient determination that this would be a key battleground. The new Xbox dashboard has the potential to be a winning interface, and the existing relationships Microsoft has built with music publishers and Hollywood will be huge assets in the next stage of this battle. Abandoning the PlaysForSure DRM ecosystem seemed like an admission of failure. In retrospect, rebuilding the DRM infrastructure around Zune, with Microsoft in complete control, was probably key to competing with Apple’s DRM.

And then there’s Google, which flopped miserably with Google TV in its first incarnation. Google starts from far behind in this race. Hollywood certainly doesn’t trust the company, especially after its initial experiences with YouTube. And user experience has been the great failure of the company across the board. Even in its most successful non-search-related product, Android, Google admits that it hasn’t created “an emotional attachment” with its users. Catching up with Apple’s iTunes juggernaut and the entrenched base of Xbox consoles is a daunting challenge.

It’s hard to see any other competitors stepping into a major role. Amazon has had impressive success with the Kindle, but it’s far more likely to strike a content deal with one of the big three than it is to try to compete with them directly. Microsoft is the most likely partner in those scenarios.

Netflix and Hulu and other platform-agnostic content providers will have to scratch and claw to fit into the new living room. Google needs them most urgently.

Anyone in the dedicated hardware business has a particularly gloomy future. Cable boxes are probably a dying market, and it’s hard to see how TiVo fits in—except perhaps as an acquisition target for Google.

One thing that’s particularly clear is that this battle will not be fought and won overnight. It will take years, and it will involve tremendous amounts of resources from some of the largest corporations in the world. The fact that it will be dominated by the ghost of Steve Jobs makes the outcome much less clear than it would have been in a world where he survived to lead Apple directly.

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily e-mail newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications.

Disclosure

Ed Bott

Ed Bott is a freelance technical journalist and book author. All work that Ed does is on a contractual basis.

Since 1994, Ed has written more than 25 books about Microsoft Windows and Office. Along with various co-authors, Ed is completely responsible for the content of the books he writes. As a key part of his contractual relationship with publishers, he gives them permission to print and distribute the content he writes and to pay him a royalty based on the actual sales of those books. Ed's books written prior to fall 2011 have been distributed by Que Publishing (a division of Pearson Education) and by Microsoft Press. As of November 2011, Ed is a partner in the independent publishing company Fair Trade Digital Exchange, which exclusively publishes his books.

On occasion, Ed accepts consulting assignments. In recent years, he has worked as an expert witness in cases where his experience and knowledge of Microsoft and Microsoft Windows have been useful. In each such case, his compensation is on an hourly basis, and he is hired as a witness, not an advocate.

Ed does not own stock or have any other financial interest in Microsoft or any other software company. He owns 500 shares of stock in EMC Corporation, which was purchased before the company's acquisition of VMware. In addition, he owns 350 shares of stock in Intel Corporation, purchased more than two years ago. All stocks are held in retirement accounts for long-term growth.

Ed does not accept gifts from companies he covers. All hardware products he writes about are purchased with his own funds or are review units covered under formal loan agreements and are returned after the review is complete.

Biography

Ed Bott

Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. He's served as editor of the U.S. edition of PC Computing and managing editor of PC World; both publications had monthly paid circulation in excess of 1 million during his tenure. He is the author of more than 25 books on Microsoft Windows and Office, including the recently released Windows 7 Inside Out.

Related Discussions on TechRepublic

Did you know you can take part in these discussions with your ZDNet membership?
44
Comments

Join the conversation!

Just In

Your site is good Actually
xiaosun11 2 days ago
Really your post is really very good and I appreciate it. It???s hard to sort the good from the bad sometimes, but I think you???ve nailed it. You write very well which is amazing. I really impressed by your post.156-315.71//156-915.71//352-001//642-731//646-206//650-179//PW0-100//PW0-104//
Not in my living room thank you. An Xbox/Kinect and a Win 7 PC are all I need. Attaching a cable connection gives me even more choice, but I could get by just with the PC.

You also haven't mentioned the mostly illegal Torrent use, which delivers more TV and movies than Google and Apple TV combined. Producers should look toward mechanisms that allow honest people to pay for these downloads as they offer something broadcast and cable don't - no ads.

And if a salesman cracked the code, I think we have considerable time before Apple can steal the actual tech from someone else wink
0 Votes
+ -
@tonymcs@... can generate more revenue than a $10 product. Just look at indy musicians and Angry Birds.

Producers should embrace companies like Netfix, Hulu, Apple and Amazon instead of trying to destroy them. In fact, since movie theaters started charging $10+ for matinees (and $12 for microwave pizza), they are mostly empty all the time. They don't understand that a family of 4 can't afford to spend $100 per movie every weekend or even once a month. Movies are now a luxury, instead of a family affair.

The more they increase the price of movies and prevent people from renting movies at an economical price, the more people are going to resort to downloading torrents.
Well, at least technically it is majority of the people who make laws through their representatives, so if the majority of the people believes they're ripped off, then, perhaps, we will finally get affordable prices. And Hollywood less bragging about another film that made hundreds of millions. I think dozens of millions would be sufficient for the industry to carry on without serious disadvantage.
@wackoae

Buy a studio and sell YOUR content for cheap and let us know how it worked,
0 Votes
+ -
Not in my either.....
linux for me 24th Oct
@tonymcs@...

And that also includes anything Microsoft too...
I'll keep my MythTV which does everything I need much easier than either Apple or Microsoft can do.

Now if we can only get some real bandwidth to every home........
0 Votes
+ -
Nah, Myth sucks
otaddy 28th Oct
Media center could have been much more...MS was on to something, but they blew it. Myth TV gives you all the hassles of desktop Linux...right on your TV. And Google...well they are another MS.

I hate to admit it, but Apple will probably get it right.
@tonymcs@... Remember, this is a battle that is re-fought with the introduction of each new console, and each new generation of console. The investment in televisions is much longer-term than other devices such as the console, DVD, DVR, etc. so the "Disruption Opportunity" is frequent. As of this very second, I think Microsoft owns it. Among other reasons, if you look at the sales (in dollars) of video games vs. all other forms of video entertainment (movies, tv, etc.), the biggest chunk seems to be in console games. Until someone beats XBL and the 360, it seems like a no-brainer.
0 Votes
+ -
sdfd
jywhy888 7th Mar
Wholesale Binoculars Wholesale Mirror http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Vase/ Promotional Gifts
Wholesale Clothing Wholesale Flag http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Wine-Set/ Ruler
Wholesale Scale Computer Accessories http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Poncho-Raincoat/ Automotive Products
Wholesale Whistle Wholesale Scale http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Pen/ Clothes Rack
Consumer Electronics Cleaner Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Sport-Support/ Bag
Coin Bank Photo Frame http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Garden-Decorations/ Gift Box
Bottle Opener Wholesale Mobile Phone http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Kitchenware/ Pedometer
Electrical Gifts Wholesale Socks http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Golf-Items/ Name Card Holder
Electroluminescent Wholesale Gift Bags http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Solar-Products/ Fishing Supplies
Promotional Items Wholesale Swimming Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Clap-Hands/ Flash Gift
Wholesale Magnifier Gift Box http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Tape-Measure/ Golf Products
Money Bank Tape Measure http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Health-Care-Products/ Album
Wholesale USB Products China Wholesale http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Tag---lable/ Manicure Set
Sport Support Products Wholesale Towel http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Gift-Bags/ Stress Ball
Wholesale Helmet Wholesale Dartboard http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Home-Appliances/ Scale
Home Appliances Wholesale Vase http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-USB-Flash-Drive/ Glasses
Wholesale Calculator Wholesale Album http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Vocal-Concert-Products/ Shoe
Silicone Products Heating Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Ruler/ Lady Beauty Care
Wholesale Mirror Bottle Opener http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Baby-Suppliers/ Promotional Items
Wholesale Keychain Wholesale Compressed Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Audio-Video-Equipment/ Mug
Digital Photo Frame Wholesale Bag http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Giveaway-Material/ Solar Products
Wholesale Compressed Products Crystal Gifts http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Playing-Card/ Racks
Wholesale Vuvuzela Coin Bank http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Puzzle/ Stationery
Wholesale Banner Wholesale Clap Hands http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Radio/ Calculator
Wholesale Knife Wholesale Bracelet http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Banner---Flag/ Flashlight
Giveaway Material Wine Set http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/ Badge
Manicure Set Garden Decorations http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Tellurion/ Umbrella
Wedding Favors Wholesale iPod iPhone http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Earphone/ T-Shirts
Wholesale Halloween Gift Men Beauty Care http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Book-Light/ Pen Holder
Wholesale Speakers Pen Holder http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Racks/ Furniture
Wholesale Jewelry Wholesale Tableware http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Pom-Poms/ Knife
Wholesale Apron Wholesale Furniture http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Lighting/ Bangle
Wholesale Pen Money Bank http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Album/ Christmas Gifts
Voice Recorder Wholesale Kitchenware http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Mat/ Cleaner Products
Wholesale Badge Advertising Material http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Stuffed-Animals/ Vase
Wholesale USB Flash Drive Wholesale Bookmark http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Banner---Flag/ Money Clip
Sport Items Wholesale Ruler http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Flashlight/ Eye Mask
China Wholesale Wholesale Clocks http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Memory-Card/ Clocks
I personally like owning physical media and that's why Apple TV will never cut it for me...

As for controlling the living room... I have an Xbox 360, a windows 7 PC for media center connect through XBox 360 and a Sony Bluray Player.

Not a single piece of Apple tech exists in my living room.
@Peter Perry If you have a PS3 or XBox, neither Apple TV or Roku will give you any value.

If you don't, then getting a Western Digital (WD) TV Live Plus HD is a much better purchase than either product.
@Peter Perry ... yes, I like owning the physical media as well, but I suspect we're part of a dying generation (like 'if you can't scratch glass with it it's not real money). However, I can't see the likes of Apple TV really taking over until there's universal high speed broadband.
0 Votes
+ -
Itâ??s pure speculation
Mikael_z 25th Oct
@TV John
The ambition Apple has is to create the universal digital hub around the Mac and they have practically accomplished this.
What might be left to do is to make things faster and more powerful, and possibly even easier to do.
People should not be so gullible and believe everything Jobs said during an interview. Why on Earth would he want to inform the world about what Apple plan to do ten years from now, or even next year?
The sad thing is CableCARD is decent technology that would make the consumer happy. It just keeps getting stymied by law makers and regulatory bodies (CRTC here in Canada). Otherwise, we'd all be currently watching TV and our personal movie library through an Xbox.
@PeteK68

An Xbox, how quaint. Can it run win95 ?
0 Votes
+ -
As long as...
wright_is 23rd Oct
I can switch it off! I have an Apple TV and I can't turned the darned thing off! Even if I don't use it for a few weeks, it sits there sucking power, no stand-by mode.

We generally disconnect the power and plug it in when we need it... That said, we only use it as a music jukebox and photo viewer.
0 Votes
+ -
turn off
bannedfromzdnetagainandagain 24th Oct
@wright_is
when you are in the main menu, hold the play button for two seconds. that puts it off.
0 Votes
+ -
turn off
bannedfromzdnetagainandagain 24th Oct
@wright_is
when you are in the main menu hold the play button on your remote for two seconds. that will turn it off.
@bannedfromzdnetagainandagain I'll give it a try. I've been using the "off" menu option under settings (translated from German, not sure of the exact wording in English). That just seems to turn off the video, when "off", it is still in the WLAN network, still syncs with the iMac and the hard drive spins 24/7...
0 Votes
+ -
MS will likely win
P. Douglas Updated - 24th Oct
If MS is able to have Xbox Live support an ecosystem of TV apps that can be routed to the PC, Windows Phone, the Xbox, and other consoles, MS should be able to dominate digital video entertainment - at least financially. On the PC side, slates and all-in-ones will likely act as smaller TVs throughout the home, while consoles which support Xbox Live will drive large TV screens - also throughout the home. Xbox Live will also drive games on these devices. Hopefully it will also drive radio. Therefore using Xbox Live as an entertainment engine, MS can turn hundreds of millions of devices into modern, state-of-the-art entertainment systems.
[ SOS ] Complaint about Human Rights Violations by IBM China on Centennial

Please Google:

Tragedy of Labor Rights Repression in IBM China
or
How Much IBM Can Get Away with is the Responsibility of the Media
or
IBM detained mother of ex-employee on the day of centennials
I have an acer aspire revo running win 7 x64 and media center. I use 2 HD HomeRun tuners for a total of 4 tuners. A Hulu+ subscription and I'm golden. I just ditched uverse. I'm completely happy and saving a ton of money now
This is not the post-PC era. People will always need PCs, and audio/video is not their main use. Entertainment (other than games) is another issue. This is the post-radio/CD/DVD/broadcast TV/etc. age.

And it's ridiculous that Roku wasn't even mentioned in this article. It's going to be Apple's biggest competition, in my opinion.

It's also ridiculous how this bio is slowly being leaked, so that you can write a new story every day or two. I guess someone thinks it's a good marketing scheme.

If you want some good contrasting stories, you should check out Stephen Levy's new book about Google.
An fully functional integrated HDTV/PC with an operating system of your choice will win out I'm sure long run..so Steve Jobs was right but I doubt it was his idea. I have thought of it since 2004 and I'm sure the idea has been around for a couple decades...
0 Votes
+ -
iTV
bannedfromzdnetagainandagain Updated - 24th Oct
what u.s. americans tend to forget (because for some crazy and totally ridiculous reasons they think they are the center of the world), apple doesn't care much about the american tv landscape. all their products try to be global. there is one thing that apple hates the most, making local versions of their products (yes, sometimes they have to do for legal, language or other reasons) but they would rather sell the very same product everywhere in the world. (the ipad or the gsm iphone is exactly the same device anywhere in the world without much localisation). so an apple tv or iTV will not deal with balkanized tv landscaped in hundreds of countries. it will be all about itunes content and icloud integration. and yes your cable or satellite box will probably be able to plug in. or a dvbt-signal (like here in germany) or whatever tv signal there is around the world.

but i have a different theory: what if apple somehow mastered it to integrate a soundbar into the tv to make it one device? like the bose cinemate but slim and beautifull. sure it wouldn't be the highend surround sound but probably more surround sound than most people ever had in their living room. all in one nice package without any cables. plus itunes tv and movie subscriptions + icloud integration.

i take one.
@bannedfromzdnetagainandagain

He, he, he. Sound integrated with the TV. Can't tell how long you've been around, but you know, that's what TVs used to be like. While they're at it, they could invent corded telephones, so the batteries won't drain so fast.
Get a DLNA TV and a NAS, who needs windows ?
0 Votes
+ -
Cable boxes a dying market?
peter_erskine@... 24th Oct
Ed, do you expect satellite or 4G dongles to replace them?!
for a couple of weeks we have now a wd tv live in our living room and it's really added that what we looked for many years, its small, you can connect a lot, well you can even run your old startrek movies in avi format on it...
0 Votes
+ -
Boy Bott, where have you been,
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 24th Oct
CNN reported this morning, that Apple has been awarded a patent in this already. http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/24/piper-jaffray-apple-is-already-building-prototype-tv-sets/
0 Votes
+ -
Too bad
NoAxToGrind 24th Oct
Too bad Jobs won't be aroudn to see this flop,,, AGAIN.
0 Votes
+ -
The future of Television, is the World Wide Web.
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 24th Oct
Why buy content from a cable provider, who has a monopoly in the area, when you can get content either through several providers such as Hulu, Vudu, Netflix, Amazon, and iTunes.

If like me you watch only 4 or 5 shows regularly, and get news on the Internet, it is actually cheaper for me to buy just my internet, and purchase season pass from iTunes or other vendor for my show. Now obviously this gets a little skewed when you have several people in your household, all competing for TV time. But lets just view it from a single person. Bundled package is $150 per month or $1,800 per year. Now I have about six shows that I watch religiously, for a $30 per year season pass, that is only $180. 10% of what I am paying. Now of course if I un-bundle my TV package down to just internet of course then the Cable provider charges me $100 just for the internet that kicks the bill back to $1,380. Still a savings of $420 per year.

This is where cable companies need to evolve, and many are not, and this is why Cable lines should become common carrier, to encourage competition, rather than having a monopoly for cable carriers in every city. We did it for the telephone companies, it is time to do it for the entertainment biz, so that consumers get choices.

I have Mediacom, and I still can't get HBOGO. Ticks me off that they haven't brought this online yet, and the HD selection of channels just sucks @zz. Since people are pretty much locked into them for service, they don't feel that they need to improve their services, and this is why everyone hates their cable companies.
0 Votes
+ -
Doing what exactly?
rhonin Updated - 24th Oct
For the Apple TV to loom large you would need good hi speed Internet (challenge 1), integration into all social networks including Facebook, G+ , Twitter, etc... (challenge 2), ability to integrate with home physical media (challenge 3), plays well with Satellite and Cable providers (challenge 4), and play really well with the current movie/tv power houses (challenge5).

An Apple tv and infrastructure is not cheap folks. It is a lot more than buying your next smartphone. Never mind the $1000's people have invested in gaming systems, sound systems, video, etc....

Apple does not like to share. That I see as the single biggest roadblock.
0 Votes
+ -
Good Hi-Speed is a challenge in the US
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 24th Oct
@rhonin, Why? Because it seems America has seen it's better days. Hong Kong has Gigabit service running into every home and Apartment for about $30 per month, and here we are lucky if we can get 12Mb, 50 in the Bigger cities, again for a high premium.
@Snooki_smoosh_smoosh
Yeah. And Hong Kong is how much smaller than the U.S. and has how much less people? I hear the Silicon Valley has pretty good connections, too, completely unlike North Dakota...
I don't think they will be getting into the actual TV set productions. I don't think they need to, to bring in a disruption (and a disruption is desperately needed).
I still think AppleTV is the link. What if they've managed to reduced the size of AppleTV even further. And reduced the price dramatically while at it. Or to truly cause a disruption make it free with the purchase of an iDevice.
There's a wealth of content on cable (maybe via Tivo) not accesible on iCloud. How are cable companies in trouble?
If the bits don't have a pathway into the living room, nothing gets there. The cable (and fiber) folks will resist for a long time letting us have enough bits at a rational cost.

Meanwhile, my bankrupt cable provider (Broadstripe) seemingly did sell WA and OR at auction to Wave cable Oct 24--Seattle City Council has the shift on its docket for November 9. It appears that most consumer plans at Wave have a 100G cap--OK for me until all TV arrives as Internet bits.
0 Votes
+ -
Sony is the only other potential player I can foresee. Not sure if they will be able to get it together - history indicates they will stuff it up somehow.
The other potential, particularly in Asia, is Samsung. A Samsung / Sony partnership could be a challenger but I doubt they could come to terms.
Samsung or Sony partnering with any of 3 you mentioned is also another possibility. Particularly for Google this could be an option.
who is this author.. does he know anything about technology?
@linuxforhumanbeing
Which rock have you been living under? You may disagree with Ed, but to accuse him of ignorance of technology is plain ridiculous.
Until Apple sort out the miserly 5Gb allowance on iCloud, without need to

a/ Buy all your **** from them, either directly or via iTunes Match
b/ Buy an upgrade to yous Cloud allowance.

They have enough cash to give everyone a competative 50-100Gb gratis to owners of Apple hardware or peopel who have bought something from iTunes of late, and put most other cloud storage players out of the game.
Siri, I would like to watch a movie with Steve Martin in it.

"OK, I have N's of movies with Steve Martin in it. Here is your list."

I might have space for a T.V. like that. Never much for Apple but Siri is a game changer for me.
@NeoZon@...

Bingo. Siri with maybe a tiny remote (just like Apple TV's) is all you really need hardware wise. All that other mess with the cable companies is another matter.

I can't wait to say something like "I want to see that Seinfeld episode from a couple of weeks ago" and Siri finds it for me happy
0 Votes
+ -
Your site is good Actually
xiaosun11 2 days ago
Really your post is really very good and I appreciate it. It???s hard to sort the good from the bad sometimes, but I think you???ve nailed it. You write very well which is amazing. I really impressed by your post.156-315.71//156-915.71//352-001//642-731//646-206//650-179//PW0-100//PW0-104//

Join the conversation!

Formatting +
BB Codes - Note: HTML is not supported in forums
  • [b] Bold [/b]
  • [i] Italic [/i]
  • [u] Underline [/u]
  • [s] Strikethrough [/s]
  • [q] "Quote" [/q]
  • [ol][*] 1. Ordered List [/ol]
  • [ul][*] · Unordered List [/ul]
  • [pre] Preformat [/pre]
  • [quote] "Blockquote" [/quote]
ie8 fix
ie8 fix

The best of ZDNet, delivered

ZDNet Newsletters

Get the best of ZDNet delivered straight to your inbox

Facebook Activity

White Papers, Webcasts, & Resources
ie8 fix
ie8 fix