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Microsoft declares victory over Linux, names Apple and Google main rivals

By | August 15, 2011, 3:00am PDT

Summary: Normally, reading a company’s annual report is an exercise in sheer boredom. But this year Microsoft’s lawyers allowed some actual competitive insight to sneak into the 10-K reports it files with the SEC. Linux has been neutralized, and Apple is first on the list of archrivals.

Most of the time, the boilerplate text in annual reports of public companies is the next best thing to Ambien.

But every once in a while, an insight sneaks in. And on even rarer occasions the lawyers allow top management to tell the unvarnished truth. In public. Under penalty of perjury.

That happened recently when Microsoft released its 2011 annual report, filed with the Securities Exchange Commission as form 10-K.

By itself, the document doesn’t immediately raise any eyebrows. But compare the block of text beneath the Competition heading (under Windows and Windows Live) with the same section from last year’s 10-K and it’s downright revealing. Here is the marked-up version, courtesy of the SEC filings page at Microsoft.com, with a technological assist from Microsoft Word 2010 (naturally). The strikeout marks indicate text that was in last year’s statement but was removed for 2011; the underlined text is new this year:

The big takeaways:

Linux is no longer a desktop threat. A few years back, it looked like Linux might carve out a niche on low-end, low-priced netbooks. But the iPad took care of that hardware category, and this year Microsoft confidently eliminated Linux from the list of competitors to the Windows operating system. That shouldn’t be a surprise. Even a self-professed “Linux guy” like my ZDNet colleague Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, acknowledges that cold, hard reality. (On the server side, of course, Microsoft continues to acknowledge that Unix and Linux are strong competitors.)

It’s a three-horse race. Last year, Microsoft used Apple and Google as examples of “well-established companies” that make up its main competition. This year, it threw in the word mainly. “The Windows operating system faces competition,” according to Microsoft, “mainly from Apple and Google.” Full stop.

Mobile matters. Desktop doesn’t. I’ve been making that case for a while. Microsoft has now publicly acknowledged that they get it, too. Last year the threat was from “new devices that may reduce consumer demand for PCs.” This year those devices are no longer new, and it isn’t just consumer demand that’s threatened.

The online battle is now inside the browser. As a professional wordsmith, I’m fascinated by the rhetorical shift from last year to this year. In 2010, Microsoft specifically called out the competition to Internet Explorer. This year, it struck all references to the browser itself and focused instead on the services delivered within it. In the list of competitors to Windows Live software and services, Apple (and, implicitly, its upcoming iCloud service) now gets a shout-out, right alongside Google and Yahoo.

Security is in, “innovation” is out. For as long as I can remember, Microsoft has bragged in its public filings of its record of innovation—a word that’s almost as overused in Redmond as revolutionary is in Cupertino. So it’s especially gratifying to finally see Microsoft’s top management literally strike through the tired “delivering innovative software” line. It’s even more interesting to see them confidently add the word security to the list of Windows strengths.

Is Microsoft getting more serious about the hardware business? My eyebrows almost hit the ceiling when I saw the new sentence added to the end of this year’s Competition section:

Our PC hardware products face competition from computer and other hardware manufacturers, many of which are also current or potential partners.

Now, Microsoft is no slouch in the hardware business. Some very nice keyboards and mice come out of Redmond. But it’s never been more than a footnote on the P&Ls, so the increased emphasis on this category seems a bit, well, odd. In the coming fiscal year, is Microsoft planning to expand its presence in the PC hardware market? I wouldn’t mind seeing a Microsoft-branded Windows 8 tablet, and there’s been some not-so-crazy speculation that Windows 8 could ship as early as April 2012—well before next year’s 10-K is due.

One thing I’ve heard through the years from Microsoft employees is that the company does its very best work when its back is against the wall. Linux may be neutralized as a competitive threat, but Apple and Google are formidable, even existential competitors. The next 12 months promise to be very interesting indeed.

So, what do you think? Is Microsoft’s assessment accurate? Or have they missed a key part of the competitive picture?

(Hat tip to Wes Miller for pointing out the revised 10-K text, via Twitter.)

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Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications.

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Richard Flude 15th Aug
Embedded tick
Phone tick
HPC tick

Declining desktop market cross

To bad Linux;-)
@Richard Flude While true, it isn't the same old Linux that we heard about for 13 years.
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It is...
cosuna 15th Aug
@Peter Perry : ...and that's the reason Android has been so successful...

For example, take an hypothetical Atrix 2...

...want to add printing...just use CUPS...
...want to add access to Windows drives... use SAMBA...
...want to add a built in Web Server... Apache...
...want to add a proxy... Squid...
...want to add a faster dock with a hard drive... just add a combined eSATA/USB port... connect that to the dock as Ethernet rather than USB... add a 1gen Atom ($25 bucks tops) to it and forget HDMI, opt instead for X-Windows and let the dock handle all the display hardware...
...last but not least...
...want to add Windows 7 support (ouch)... just add x86 VMWare at the dock level, make a SSH connection between both systems and have the phone boot Windows from the hard drive...

All this sounds convoluted... it isn't, if you have minimal Linux knowledge... if Motorola doesn't do it... any entrepreneur could ensamble the building blocks and create it in no time... with no license fee need... except Android...

Linux strength is its legacy support... just as iPhone has apps, Linux has drivers... the fact that the driver model hasn't changed since kernel 2.0 makes it have more drivers than Windows Embedded, Vista and 7 combined... it's only topped by XP... but guess that operating system is no longer supported by Microsoft...
@Peter Perry.. give me a freak'n break... now, even though the whole desktop paradigm itself seems to be on it's last legs.. these guys are still pointing to how good the Linux version of the old, tired paradigm that's being abandoned even at MS and Apple and is on it way out... can you say dinosaurs? lol..
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Actually Peter it is ( kernel.org )
Richard Flude 15th Aug
And Ed I thought the SEC filing was about threats to MS revenue. The desktop monopoly has always been critical to MS profitability. it looks like the end is being driven not by desktop competition but new platforms. And these platform aren't windows!
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To bad what?
jrgrooters@... 15th Aug
@Richard Flude
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Contributr
@Richard Flude

This is about the desktop.
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MS can reinvent ...
P. Douglas Updated - 15th Aug
@Ed Bott

... the desktop around touch in Windows 8, to do new and exciting things we've never seen before. If touch along with services can cause revolutions in mobile computing, it certainly can cause the same in desktop computing. All MS has to do is bring much of the User Experience innovations and technologies found in MS Surface and the Courier to Windows 8. I guess we have to see what is revealed at the MS BUILD conference next month. I however don't see the end of the desktop coming soon. Rather I see its possible rebirth coming in Windows 8.
@Ed Bott

Psst. Ed, your heading specified Linux. NOT desktop Linux. Hence Richard Flude's post.

Ed, you need to understand what "Linux" is before writing about it for the world to see.

Richard's post is correct and on point. You said Linux in your heading.
I would advise you to read up on what Linux is before posting on the topic. Or you could ask "Your Linux Advocate". It will help your readers a lot in their understanding of what Linux really is. You write about Linux as if you are a Windows expert, and it shows.

PS. You muddy the water just a little bit too much for my taste. I'm sorry, obfuscation just doesn't work here.
@Ed Bott

And what is the desktop ?

IBM called the PC dead.
@Alan Smithie

"And what is the desktop ?

Ed's definition: A computer running Microsoft Windows in a rectangular shape device with a mouse and a keyboard, printer optional.

PS. It's patented too.
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Touch...
SenorAlejandro 15th Aug
@P. Douglas I'm not really trying to feed a tangent, but really... Touchscreens may be useful for playing Angry Birds or flying the Enterprise, but zero of the functions I perform on a desktop PC can be enhanced by touch interaction. Typing without tactile key response is stupid, because you have to stare at your "keyboard." Photoshop work requires pixel-precision that isn't offered by a blunt fingertip. Playing real games is dang-near impossible on a touch-screen; even a top-down strategy title would be tricky without mouse scrolling. No, the notion of trying to magically bridge mobile and desktop interfaces is a nightmarish idea in my opinion.
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"This is about the desktop."
vulpine@... 15th Aug
@Ed Bott: Actually, no, Ed; it's about the overall digital market from desktops all the way down to smart phones and MP3 players. You only need to read the statement to see that Microsoft is fighting on a very broad front.

Microsoft's phones fell to stability and reliability issues to the point where WP7 is having difficulty living down that reputation despite its visible differences.
Microsoft's tablet drive went ten years without making an impression on the market where Apple's iPad sold more overall units in a mere nine months.
Worse, sales of Windows PCs have slowed almost to stagnation--very little growth and even a backwards slide with some brands while Apple's Mac growth has consistently been higher and when adding the iPad to the mix has driven Apple to the top of the computer market. Windows is slipping and quite honestly Microsoft hasn't yet been able to stop that slide.

No, Microsoft needs to seriously reinvent itself and it needs to do so soon. This passage in the SEC filing merely emphasizes that they now recognize the problem and intend to do something about it. We'll just have to see how successful they are.
SenorAlejandro,

First, look at this video to get an idea of what is possible with large touch screen computers. Large touch screens lead to much more immersive, and intuitive experiences than what is possible with GUIs. This leads to not only the creation of applications that were prohibitively difficult (to create and use) before, but also leads to the significant enhancement of current day apps.

Regarding the physical keyboard: it is anything but ideal. Software keyboards can be created that have advantages that exceed those of physical keyboards, that they wind up being more accepted more than their older counterparts. You are seeing something similar today in the area of smartphones, where the overall touch experience and soft keyboards of most smart phones, are overshadowing the physical keyboard advantage of Blackberry devices.

So many things can be done with soft keyboards that are not possible with physical keyboards. Users could e.g. triple tap on the screen with their index fingers, and halves of soft keyboards could appear under their fingers, and they could straight away begin to type - instead of looking down at physical keyboards, to ensure that their fingers are properly positioned. Users could rely on muscle memory and optionally audio feedback, in lieu of tactile feedback. Also, people rely on visual feedback (i.e. they look at the screen) with physical keyboards, to ensure that they are typing correctly. The same will be true with soft keyboards. Soft keyboards additionally can provide a ton of other advantages over physical keyboards, to make the latter seem quaint. This is precisely what word processor software did to physical typewriters. In fact, a number of people will swear to you that several old electronic typewriters were much better and simpler to use than PCs with word processor software. But others may ask these people: can these typewriters erase errors; easily allow for the selection of fonts; do bold, italic, etc. texts dynamically, etc. When those making the queries hear that they can't, they will become non-interested very quickly. Therefore soft keyboards merely have to initially edge out physical keyboards in the advantages and user experience departments, then widen the gap over time in order to succeed.

So how can soft keyboards edge out physical keyboards? They can be dynamically customizable - including providing easy access to the full set of ANSI, as well of custom fonts. They can come with excellent word and phrase prediction capabilities, making it possible to create notes faster. Soft keyboards could come with basic word processing features (including spell check) allowing users to leverage these features in every text box they go to. Soft keyboards can complemented with virtual trackpads and virtual representations of other physical devices, bringing unprecedented levels of control use cases to users of software - far more than what is possible with the mouse today.

What the above means for current software, is that e.g. Photoshop could be far more natural, intuitive and engaging to work with, because users could e.g. use a metaphor of dragging with their hands, layers onto and around their work areas. Users could still manipulate arrows with a virtual trackpad, or use a stylus, which would be more natural and intuitive to control. All of the above would ultimately lead to greater productivity on the part of users, and open up possibilities not present in GUI software.

I therefore believe touch computing brings a significant advantage to the desktop, that goes way beyond the current paradigm, or what is even possible in touch based mobile computing.
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The decline of the desktop
ScorpioBlue 15th Aug
Sorry, fanboys. 15 years ago, the desktop was the only way to access the internet. Now with smart phones and tablets, people are using their desktops less and less. It's not unusual for people to use tablets and phones for most of their computing needs.

Notice I sad "most", not "all". Only Luddite fanbuis in denial believe otherwise.
@Ed Bott

No this article is not about the desktop. Didn't you read your article?

You mention the word Desktop exactly twice.

Take away number one: "Linux is no longer a desktop threat." Where you talk about how the netbook (not desktop) threat was neutralized by Ipads (also not Desktop).

Take away number two: "Mobile matters. Desktop doesnt." Where you attribute the growing irrelevance of Desktops to new devices that may reduce consumer demand for PCs.

Take away two is about MS, Apple and Google being a three horse race. You can't be talking about the desktop market as Google is not competing with apple and MS in the desktop market.

Take away four is about browsers and services and has nothing to do with desktops.

Take away five has to do with Microsoft shifting from their (unwarranted) bragging about innovation to its (unwarranted) bragging about security. Again, nothing to do with desktops.

take away six has to do with hardware that, again, has nothing to do with desktops.

So just how is this about the desktop Ed?

Microsoft's annual report did not mention Linux as a competitor so you wrote an article with a false and misleading title just to stir up a little controversy. Linux is not a company like Google, or Apple or Microsoft but perhaps you should read the very first sentence in the wikipedia article on Chrome OS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS

This is really one of the worst articles I've read from you in a while, Ed.
@Ed Bott Do we think webOS could be a threat on the desktop? Where are we putting tablets? Desktops? (Because I'm sure you're thinking about Windows on a laptop being a "desktop")

I don't think this battle is over, and Linux (or more properly a "Linux powered" OS) is done quite yet. HP releasing webOS on bigger systems could yet propel Linux onto the "desktop".

We haven't seen Canonical give up. We've yet to really see what ChromeOS has to offer (at present the devices are foolishly expensive).

I think the celebration is a little early yet.
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@Ed Bott
Hey Ed, we keep hearing from certain corners that the desktop "doesn't matter" anymore. Well, perhaps from a "number of units sold" perspective as compared to mobile devices, but thats not exactly what many of these statements purporting that the desktop doesn't matter seem to be implying. When statements like that are made, it comes across strongly that the reason "desktops don't matter" is because they are not selling due to mobile computing taking over.

I would submit that if that is what people are implying it can easily be that they are a long way from right.

I also see the frequent statement that people are doing more of their computing from mobile devices.

Again, I would suggest that this may be true, but unless one characterizes the comment properly, it may be misleading. And I would go further to say that all this is linked and a more important truth may exist that puts the whole situation into a little better perspective then much of what has been implied, if I am correct.

Firstly, of course people are doing a lot more computing by way of mobile device, but is that actually taking much away from desktop/laptop computing, of is the majority of it simply "NEW" computing, or additional computing that just wasn't readily available to be done until the mobile smartphone became cheap enough that people could afford them en mass.

I know from personal experience and from everyone I know with a smartphone that in fact the vast majority of their smartphone computing is new computing and the majority of time it replaces little to no computing they otherwise do by way of desktop or laptop.

And are slowing PC sales largely the product of mobile computing taking over notable segments of the computing marketplace? I'm saying that I don't see that as likely at all. One of the telltale signs that such a thing would be happening would be if I ever heard a person or two state that they were going to get a mobile device instead of a computer. While I am betting in a world of so many billions, its been said a number of times, I've never meet one, and I know hoards of people with all kinds and types of desktop and laptop computers and mobile devices of every description. There is zero 'common man' talk about peoples mobile devices replacing their home or work computers. Reality tells us that just ain't happinin'.

What I do hear people saying more and more often is they don't feel the need to purchase a new computer as often, not nearly as often as they used to. Its a long way from the old days where you get yourself a brand new PIII 800 and a little over a year later your neighbor is showing you his new PIV 1.7 he paid 15% less then you did for your 800.

For large numbers of people, and in particular at the workplace, even the lower to midrange computers can steam along doing exactly whats required for longer then ever before. Massive amounts of cheap RAM has been available for ages, gigantic HD storage for next to nothing...who is going to purchase a new computer just to jump from a 500GB drive to a 1.5TB drive if otherwise the thing is in good operating order.

And there was a day when people made the decision to get a new desktop or laptop to get the newest OS. And that last big push of that kind was when people were jumping ship from Win98 to XP. As we have seen, to this day there are large numbers of people who don't want to spend the bucks on a new OS if XP is plodding along just fine.

Sure, I use my iPhone to do all sorts of online computing, computing I simply never did at all before for the most part. But by the same token, mobile devices are useless for large parts of computing I want to do and when I am around a desktop or laptop, the mobile device is almost always second choice for any meaningful computing I want to do.

So the question is, how much of the slow down in desktop sales really is due to the opening up of the mobile computing market, and how much is just due to people not wanting to spend the bucks on a new machine they don't feel needs replacing?

I know a number of older people who only purchased their first computer in the last 2-3 years, or they purchased their first "replacement" computer 2-3 years ago and they have no need to replace their current one...until lets say it breaks so bad it cant be fixed. They may go years yet before such a thing happens.

Whats your knowledge of this issue?
@Ed Bott
@Cayble

Good explanation Cayble. But let us not forget the disposable factor to this argument as well. You have a desktop PC, what's the most dangerous situation you could put it in, a cup of hot tea sitting on the desk might accidentally spill, almost a million to one odds of an accident befalling your PC if it's just sitting there. Your mobile device though, the accidents list is LONG. Dropping it while walking, Dropping it in the pool; the lake; the bathtub; the river; the toilet, it gets run over by a car, you leave it on the subway/bus or at a restaurant or the office. So it's a 10 to 1 that something might happen to that $500 smart phone.
I'm not forgetting laptops now, they could be fall the dangers of that smart phone. But it's so large pretty much your going to pick it up or keep a grip on it and you won't be using it while walking or driving.

As far as Linux Powered Operating Systems go, if the community could pull together and produce ONE unified, simplified, Linux Distro they yeah you might see some competition. Of course the list of other things like mobile device compatibility (Mostly iOS) and then drawing more application developers to the platform, possibly through ease of use application delivery like the App Store but with out the profit percentage. I know people may be tired of hearing about stuff like that, but I have to remind you linux is not meeting it's full potential.
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Soft keyboards are a fad
rock06r 16th Aug
@P. Douglas

I don't think you understand the major drawback of "soft" keyboards and touch screens - they are good for data consumption, but are absolutely atrocious for data creation. I can easily outtype anyone with an 1980's style AT keyboard, even if my competitor were to use a swipe-style enhanced software keyboard. And I only type ~35-40 words a minute!! Imagine holding your hands up to a screen for 10-20-30 minutes on end. Talk about cramps and carpal tunnel. I can easily rest my hands on a keyboard and the desk it's sitting on.

Then there's those other tangible differences - hey anyone want to pay $150 for a keyboard? Anyone want to wipe down their touch-keyboard a few times a day? Anyone want to peek underneath their fingers to see what letters are displaying on the keyboard just now?

The predictive features you are talking about are readily available to traditional keyboards. There's all kinds of software in use for disabled people, for example. There's no reason to believe that this technology couldn't be adopted to non-disabled users. So my question to you would be: Why isn't it found all over the market, why don't we have this on everyone's desktop right now? I believe it's because we prefer our own direct control over machine prediction, we prefer to keep $120 in our pockets, and no, we never wipe the cookie crumbs from our keyboards.
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Virtual keyboards NOT "da bomb"
blarman_z 16th Aug
@P. Douglas. When these products are actually out on the market and programmers have enough time to build products to support all the gestures, we'll see. That is going to take years, however. And having used virtual keyboards and touch interfaces - the biggest problem is resolution. I seriously can not imagine trying to do any kind of CAD work without a mouse - your finger covers thousands of pixels, while the mouse gets you down to just the one you want. Those virtual keyboards are also so touchy - and not in a good way - that they are useless to anyone who wants to type faster than 20 WPM.

I'm not about to hype up a product that doesn't exist yet. Show me the money!
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security?
Tom6 15th Aug
Lol, the old line that keeps making me laugh is the one where MS keep claiming their stuff is secure, then shortly afterwards we hear of yet another BIG problem in ActiveX or something. Of course it's all the users fault. It's even funnier that so many people keep falling for the same line time after time ad nauseum.
Regards from Tom happy
@Tom6

Thats the power of advertising, if M$ and their partners keep telling people that their products are secure people will believe it, especially non technical users.
However some of us know better.
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@Tom6
I'm the owner of several Windows based computers and use a Windows laptop at work, and I am at a complete loss, as I'm sure are hundreds and hundreds of millions of Windows users around the world as to what you are even talking about.

Your post is clearly implying that Windows is not secure because of frequent problems with Active x and other areas. Well, we know as an absolute fact that that is not true so what are we left with on reading your most peculiar post?

Sorry to say that we are only left with two real possibilities as being likely. Firstly, that you are trying to be funny with some sarcasm, or that you are simply a liar.

Given that you don't seem to be trying to be funny that carves things down to one lone option.

And thats where it does seem s odd. Its odd because it never fails to amaze me that someone could sit there and post such complete nonsense on a tech website where it should be more then abundantly clear that the majority of people who would ever read such a post would automatically know better. So it begs the question; whats the point of even writing something so stupid.

Possible troll I guess. Simply amazing.
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Linux still here
tim.w.jung@... 15th Aug
@Richard Flude
What was the name of that OS that Google is using? Oh wait I remember it's Linux. Linux hasn't gone away. It is still there just in ways that may not be obvious to some people.
@Richard Flude

Actually, Linux use on the desktop is growing, slowly, as it has for the past ten years. The difference is that the desktop is a shrinking market.

But that doesn't matter to the Linux people. Desktop is just another system to them. The people who use Linux don't care about the battle, or about the advertising. Linux is on close to 10% of PC's and laptops right now, But, there is a lot of overlap. But then both Windows and Linux are on a lot of Mac desktops too. But, the new devices sales are already declining for Desktops, and are flat for laptops. Mobile is where the growth is taking place. Windows has a very minor share of that market. That is because the basic design of Windows is taken from the VAX workstations of the 1970's, and makes some assumptions that aren't relevant to this market.

In short, too many people have tried Windows phones and been burned in the past. iPhone is advertised out the wazoo, and most people know other people with Android phones. People tend to go with what they trust. Right now, that is either Android or iPhone.

However, to write off Linux on the desktop is premature, as Microsoft can't survive without the desktop money.
@YetAnotherBob
" The people who use Linux don't care about the battle"
... so, why post?
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MetaPhaze 17th Aug
@Richard Flude
google, facebook and many others run linux duh.
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Nah, Desktop Linux never had a chance with the average user as the communities of developers building the Desktop didn't want end user opinion on what matters to them.

Also, the GPL isn't friendly towards corporations that Develop commercial software.
@Peter Perry Your point, though true, is trite. Developers will develop for whatever platform will be profitable.

The reason why Linux has acceptance problems is because there are so many people out there who are lazy. They don't ask the questions: "why is my only alternative Windows?" "why does my company only use windows desktops?" "is a catchy slogan reason enough to pull the election lever?" ... I could go on, but this is not about that.

People respond to whatever is in their face, day after day after day. If their employer gives them Windows desktops, well, their IT department MUST have analyzed all the options and chosen it, right? Same with MS office... a application suite so well structured that people have to take classes on how to run pieces of it. (The whole thing would take longer than the development cycle of a new, incompatible revision).

Certainly, the big box stores select Windows because that's what works best, right? No profit motive at all. How about the Dell's and HP's out there? Offer an alternative OS and the price per copy goes up on all their volume. Their decisionmaking is done on a purely technical merit, too, I suppose.

Take the best lawyer in the world with the strongest case, and he will lose to the mega law firm with retainers the size of small countries' GDP's. It is so certain that The Rainmaker was a work of fiction. Linus Torvolds and Richard Stallman are geniuses and heroes.... along with the thousands of developers without whom Linux would not be the awesome opus it is... but Microsoft is using their size to buoy their truly crappy raft of product over GNU/Linux.

I don't believe this fight is over. GNU/Linux only need exist and continue to improve at its own pace. Data centers / supercomputer builders / embedded developers and mobile manufacturers know something that Joe Average Desktop doesn't even know he doesn't know.... anything MS has that is good has been recently purchased will soon be corrupted by MS and the whole thing will choke on its own rot soon enough.
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@trailbarge1

"The reason why Linux has acceptance problems is because there are so many people out there who are lazy" is elitist nonsense. The reason why there are so many people out there that do not use Linux is people want solutions that just work and work together. That's is why Mac adoption is greater by a factor of 10x over Linux in a shorter window.

Linux or *nix derivatives win in embededded, purpose-built devices because integration and useability are not requirements for success. Does the router route? Yes. Win.
@trailbarge1

Very good points. I would only add that collaboration issues also have an adverse effect on adoption of an alternative solution even if that solution would otherwise less expensive or even be arguably superior. That along with people being creatures of habit and prone to deferring to apparent authority rather than questioning the "authority".

Linux acceptance is much higher in areas of specialization in both functionality or usability where custom rather than familiar interfaces (subject to "look and feel" lawsuits) yield productivity gains. If it weren't for questionable copyrights and patents that stifle competition and innovation, MS would never have become a market leader with such shoddy products.

@facebook@... You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
@trailbarge1 ..with their time.. do you honestly not understand that regular people do not give a rat's behind what the hell you propellor heads are talking about?? they go to their job, they get sh*t done and then they go home and enjoy their time with their families... works best? who cares when works good enough is enough.. familiarity IS important.. again who except propellor heads who actually enjoy learning new tech has to time or the inclination to learn something new.. again, good enough, is good enough.. what tech heads (and i count myself in the propellor tech head community) needs to learn is that YOU DO NOT THINK LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE, NORMAL PEOPLE ARE NO INTERESTED IN TECH OR HOW THINGS WORK.. THEY JUST WANT TO GET SH*T DONE..
@trailbarge1

Oh boy, and you accuse him of being trite, while your arguments are irrelevant.

Yes, people are lazy. They want to turn on their computers and have them work. They want something they already understand. They want something that works. That means Windows.

This isn't about which is better.

And it isn't about using size to buoy a crappy raft. It is about the deals MS worked to put Windows....and before that DOS, on boxes by default. Most people are lazy, and so they don't want to go through the process or reimaging their machine, so they stick with Windows, and all its faults.

But, those faults don't involve hunting down drivers all over the place and finding some things don't work. I won't give specific examples, but many devices on portables have shipped working with Windows while Linux has lagged behind.

Linux does have a great community, and as long as you are willing to throw yourself into that community, you can use Linux as well, or even better, than Windows. But it does take work.

I cannot agree with Peter's contention that Linux developers don't listen, but sometimes it took a while for new hardware to be given stable drivers.

I always thought that Dell's experience with Linux was very instructive. Dell opened Talk2Dell, where the public could tell Dell what they wanted, and one of the first things to come out of it was....Linux. Lots of people said they wanted Linux. Dell listened, and within 6 months Linux was available on some Dell systems. I think they experiment lasted 18 months or less. No one bought them...well, at least not enough for Dell to continue supporting them. To me, that was the moment when I knew that Linux had lost the battle for the desktop.

Of course the biggest problem that Linux had is that no one was truly pushing Linux. Let me restate that. No ONE was pushing Linux. Linux was and always has been fragmented, not by the multiple versions that are the bane of Android, but by all the distros. There really is no single voice that preaches Linux, like MS preaches Windows.

But, Linux is still strong in the server market, and especially web servers, so it will be around for a long time.
@trailbarge1

Well said!!
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tim.w.jung@... 15th Aug
@AudeKhatru
Interesting. I have never ever had to download a single driver for Linux when I have installed it. I have had to install lots of drivers for Windows or hook it up to the Internet so that it can download drivers. I have even had Windows refuse to work with a device because it didn't like it or it was a bit older and Microsoft refused to allow it to be supported anymore.

I have never ever had any of those problems with Windows. Most people buy a computer with some OS already installed on it. So for them the issue of drivers has already been solved by the manufacturer. If you actually installed generic version of Windows and not a custom OEM version, then you would see far more problems with Windows than Linux. I have seen this first hand when trying to reinstall someone's Windows when they lost the OEM Windows disks. They go out and buy a copy of Windows and it is never pretty or pleasant. Linux has come a long way and Microsoft could learn a lot from Linux.

It doesn't matter how new or old a device is I have always been able to just plug it in under Linux and it just works. The only thing that I have ever seen that doesn't work 100% is Apple iPods & iPhones and that is because Apple uses encryption for their app installs and saves and won't share the details with anyone. Everything else works just fine on Linux. I can add songs, remove songs, create playlists whatever I want. It is just the app part that Apple has refused to talk about.
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@trailbarge1
Its not nearly as simplistic as you make it out to be. Its a fact that many people have tried Linux, I tried Linux, I know people who tried Linux and using myself as an example, while I found Linux to be more impressive then I hoped in many areas, it was less then I hoped in too many others.

It doesn't matter if your a Linux fan or Apple fan, if you are going to make your argument for your choice of OS based on the notion that it works better then Windows you would be making a bad argument. Although I gather the reason many have switched away from Windows is that at some point in their life Windows gave them a headache so severe that they swore off Windows and took up with a competing OS. While I have sympathies for such a situation, as it must have been horribly bad, the fact is that the majority who use Windows do not face such catastrophic disasters and for the most part Windows works exceptionally well.

And that is the real problem that many in the ABM crowd cannot get over, they don't even want to get over it. Choose to believe it or not; common sense would tell anyone that if the oh so many horrible problems that many of the ABM crowd claim existed with Windows, on any kind of a regular basis, most people would be more then willing to switch, particularly to a free OS.

What is the real reason people don't switch to Linux? More than any other single reason, its because most people like Windows because it works and works well. When you have reasons like that, its a killer and just about every other reason is just icing on the cake.
@facebook

Linux has no advertising budget. That says it all about the whole spread of Linux. There never was or will be a 'year of Linux' because that would require a major advertising campaign. But that doesn't mean that Linux isn't still growing. It is.

Linux has already won on the 'big iron' machines. On the vital machines for Industry, the Military and Commerce, Linux skills are a ticket into much greater salaries than mere Windows certs can ask.

The Embedded spaces have the war in a closing phase. Phones are really just a small part of this.

Linux isn't going away, it is still getting stronger. There are now close to 3% who use only Linux on the desktop. You never see them in 'surveys' because those only measure what was shipped. There are contracts (probably in violation of US and European anti-trust laws) that mean that manufacturers pay for Windows even if they ship Linux. So, most Linux users either dual boot, as I do, or they wipe Windows, and replace it with Linux. Thanks to dual booters, there is around a 5 to 10% overlap in users that gets ignored. The total isn't 100%, it's more like 115%. That means that Linux is growing with future growth in 3 years or so of 15% of the total desktop market.

As i said, it's a long slow growth, but it is happening.

For the future, I believe taht we will see a system where there are mobile devices, think tablet and Chromebook and TV and Stereo, and a server in the house. All connected by Wifi. The server would be headless, of course, as would be any printer, or 3D printers installed. There would be applications run on the server, with server backup. You would access your server over the internet, if outside, or over your secured WiFi, if home. it's a pure client server solution. Use a thumb drive for storage for travel, and it's a complete system. The server would also operate your security and home automation systems. It could also using IP V6 operate as your web portal for friends and so forth.

In many ways, it would be much the same, and in many ways it would be very different. But, we will wonder why we ever thought that the phone, the TV and the computer were anything different. It will be a converged world.
@trailbarge1
Your comment is the best condensed reading of why the actual consumers have placed *NIX in an easily discarded box. Like it or not. You could also attempt to fight gravity while you're at it. Good luck.
@Peter Perry There is nothing in the GPL that stops you creating commercial closed source applications that run on Linux (just ask Oracle).

The developers are interested in "normal users" but developing such a desktop is FAR harder than it looks.
I recommended Linux many times for friends, they all skipped my advice and still using Windows XP. I myself don't think about Linux mainly because of my daily usage, which even a Mac machine wouldn't be enough.

I think Linux is no longer a threat.. frankly I thought that years ago.
@Gon_M_KO

You are correct unfortunately desktop Linux was never really a threat other than in theory, however, at one point, Microsoft did consider it to be a threat in theory.

Apple, on the other hand was once a threat in reality back in the early days before Microsoft dominated the desktop market. Mac barely survived the extinction the other desktop PCs faced and has not been a threat in theory since then. Instead they carved out a niche market which, for them, has grown into an even healthier niche recently. But they are not and will not realistically represent a threat or competition to Microsoft in the desktop market until the desktop market dwindles as more and more people decide they don't need desktops and opt for appliance type devices like pads for consuming Internet content.

Google (which is Linux in fact, Ed) is not and will not be competition on the desktop market. Chrome OS can not be considered a desktop OS. It is also more accurately described as an appliance or a consumer application designed to allow access to Internet services. Certainly as things move towards that computing model it will cut into the desktop market but it will do so as a competing or disruptive technology not as a competitive desktop OS.

As a "professional wordsmith", Ed needs to learn to word his articles more appropriately. I know its hard to resist creating controversial titles to your articles Ed but at least try to keep the content of the articles in line with your thesis.
I read your comment on 081411 - Please reread what I wrote - from your prior 081211 log post about Windows Security. (Some might call that late post a CYA comment. Others might see it for a mere comment clarification. Or, some might conclude, you added that comment so you could post this Blog article about Microsoft's main rivals)

So, with tongue firmly in cheek, please let me remind you of some important blog "ground rules" regarding what I expect from your posts in the future.

Please, I ask you politely, as a reader of your posts I DO NOT CARE ABOUT LINUX so please refrain from mentioning this word again. As a loyal reader of your posts, I only care about Windows and Apple products.

There, its done. That was distasteful and I admit it. But being distasteful is the nature of feuds. So please, in the future, can we let all advocates have there say in the talkback comment section without editorial rebuttals?

Now, as to your article content, I have only one question. Does this Microsoft filing indicate Google's Search Engine business is a direct competitor to Microsoft's Bing business arm or does it also include Google's Chrome Operating system as a rival to its Windows OS? (I ask that because it was my understanding that Chrome OS was a Linux variant.)
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Or to put it another way...
Ed Bott 15th Aug
@kenosha7777

Microsoft DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LINUX.
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Is Microsoft in Denial?
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 15th Aug
@Ed Bott
And I don't mean a place in Egypt.
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Go ahead, make your case
Ed Bott Updated - 15th Aug
@Dietrich

If you think so, make your case for why Linux on the desktop can succeed AS A BUSINESS. For once, it will actually be on topic here.
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Why Linux on the desktop can succeed AS A BUSINESS
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate Updated - 15th Aug
@Ed Bott

The question is an interesting one.

I can answer it and I think your readership would be equally interested in your point of view as to *why not*.

First let's differentiate between Linux, the Kernel, and the Distributions, aka, Distros, which run 'on top' thereof.

Bridging our differences

We can agree:

o Microsoft is engaged in commerce selling closed source products and services for profit Nationally and Internationally

o IBM, RedHat, Canonical, SuSE are engaged in commerce offering subscription-based services (SaaS, IaaS, PaaS) utilizing 'commercial' variants of open source Linux Distros.

We can also agree that the above companies are 'profiting' to varying degrees, noting that RedHat have sustained record year-over-year +$1B sales growth.

Canonical are best known for their global business solutions provided by Ubuntu Linux, perhaps *the* most popular Desktop Linux and an equally popular Server Edition. Still they provide subscription-based Enterprise/Business support and Cloud offerings.

These few examples all point to the fact that Linux is being used in a business setting in both Server and Desktop roles for profit and successfully .

I could go on but I think I've hit oil, so I'll stop drilling. :/

Thank you for being a Gentleman.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

Microsoft is a far greater threat to Microsoft than Linux. Pirated copies of Microsoft' OS and productivity suites are far more numerous than Linux desktops. Or, are you in denial that people would be more willing to commit crimes than use Linux?
"Is Microsoft in Denial?"

Denial about what? That it's gonna take 100 years at the current rate of growth for Linux to become a real threat on the desktop?

Too little, too late. The desktop is changing drastically, and they're still struggling to convince people that yes, their crappy UI really is as good as Windows or MacOS.

I'm sorry, it's not. Look at the artwork. CAREFULLY. No, it is not clearly of the same caliber as MacOS or Windows. Not even close.

How long did it take for for Gnome to get rid of poop brown as their official color? And why did they choose eggplant purple as the first replacement? Wasn't until Gnome 3 that they decided to use a decent blue.

There's a reason why Apple and Microsoft usually choose a blue (usually a light blue) as a default color. Take some psychology classes to find out. No, they didn't choose the color based on a lottery system or by rolling dice.

And no, two identical looking bars in Gnome is not gonna attract more people than the cleaner looking interfaces of MacOS and Windows.

Windows puts everything in one place, and only puts what you really need there. MacOS makes the top menu and the bottom dock look visually very, very different. There's good reasons why neither of them chose to put two similar looking bars on the screen at the same time. It looks visually cluttered.

And they've gotta quit harping on security as their only redeeming feature. Two reasons:

1: People actually don't care that much. As much as we'd LIKE people to choose their computers based on security features, they don't. That's just a fact. Get used to it.

2: MacOS has it. What are people who care about security choosing? The Mac. Not Linux. MacOS X.

In addition, Linux has to get rid of the power user attitude that "deep customization beats good defaults." I'm sorry, that's wrong. People actually do not want to tweak their systems to death before using them. They want to get started on their work as soon as they turn their shiny new systems on. No, "bbbbbbbbut YOU CAN CHANGE IT!!!!!!" is not an excuse for poor defaults and poor UI design. It's a power user attitude that won't go far on the desktop.

Finally, take a look at Windows 8 and MacOS X Lion. The traditional desktop paradigm is going away completely. It's changing drastically in the next few years. It's too late Linux to take back the traditional desktop. Far too late.

"I can answer it and I think your readership would be equally interested in your point of view as to *why not*."

The answer to that is plain and simple: "Why not?" doesn't sell computers. If you can answer "why," you'll go much further than "why not." People don't want an OS that is "at least as good as the others." They want one that rivals the others in ways they think is significant. And yes, that has be be more than just security. It has to be in the UI and other places as well. Having a UI as good as the others isn't good enough to make people switch. It has to be better.

How about "why is it not succeeding already if it's so great?"

"IBM, RedHat, Canonical, SuSE are engaged in commerce offering subscription-based services (SaaS, IaaS, PaaS) utilizing 'commercial' variants of open source Linux Distros."

Oh, I thought we were talking about the desktop :/.

"We can also agree that the above companies are 'profiting' to varying degrees, noting that RedHat have sustained record year-over-year +$1B sales growth."

. . . on the backend. On the servers. Linux is a great server OS.

The desktop, on the other hand, needs work. A lot of it. And frankly, it's too late anyways, as MacOS X Lion and Windows 8 have shown glimpses that the traditional desktop model is due for a major, major overhaul and what we know as the "desktop" will be dead in the next few years, as least as a UI model.

People don't want "power." People don't want complex. They want "it just works." They want simple.

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