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Microsoft vs. McAfee: How free antivirus outperformed paid

By | November 14, 2010, 6:00pm PST

How effective is free antivirus software? I had a chance to see a real, in-the-wild example just this month, and the results were, to put it mildly, unexpected. The bottom line? Microsoft’s free antivirus solution found and removed a threat that two well-known paid products missed. Here are the details. [Update: After I publlished this post, a second example appeared, courtesy of a rogue commenter in the Talkback section. See the results at the end of this post.]

I’ve had Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) installed on my main working PC for most of the past year. Mostly, I use it for real-time protection. I typically disable the scheduled virus scans on my PCs and instead occasionally do a manual scan just to confirm that nothing out of the ordinary has snuck through. Last month I decided to perform a scan using the Full option. Because I have 2.5 terabytes of hard disk space, with roughly 40% of it in use, I knew the scan would take a long time. So I scheduled it to run while I was out running errands.

When I came back, here’s a snippet of what I found:

MSE had detected several files files that it considered malicious. One was a rigged PDF file (not shown here). The other was a single file in the Java cache folder on this system that contained three separate exploits. Using the information in the MSE history pane, I found the file and uploaded it to Virustotal.com, which is a free service that allows you to scan a suspicious file using 43 separate antivirus engines. The file, identified by a unique hash, had already been analyzed, so I got the results immediately:

Only 17 of 43 antivirus products detected this as a threat. The full results page showed the identification, if any, for each product on the list. Microsoft, Symantec, Avast, and F-Secure were among the engines that flagged the file. But the majority didn’t. That means one of two things. Either the file was a false positive, and I was about to delete something harmless and perhaps even necessary. Or it was real, and most AV programs were missing it.

To get to the bottom of the issue, I sent e-mail messages to contacts at three companies. I asked Microsoft to reanalyze the file and confirm that it was indeed malicious. I also asked McAfee and Sunbelt to look at the file; both of them had reported the file as clean, according to VirusTotal.

Microsoft had two analysts review the file. Here’s a portion of their response:

We have confirmed that the threat detection you received from Microsoft Security Essentials is indeed valid. There were more than 3.5 million reported CVE-2008-5353 attacks in Q3 2010, and Java vulnerability exploitations like these, while once a rare occurrence, have spiked this year. … [T]his exact file is something we have seen in the wild more than 40,000 times in the past six months.

This October 18 post by Holly Stewart on the Microsoft Malware Protection Center blog provides useful additional detail on why these types of attacks can be challenging for IDS/IPS vendors, as well as the steps customers should take to ensure that they are protected.

According to the scan results, this threat was first identified in definition 1.85.1774.0, which was released by Microsoft on July 9, 2010.

McAfee responded quickly to my e-mail as well. A spokesperson sent this reply:

Our Labs team took a look at the file you referenced and it is malicious. We are in the process of developing new heuristics to combat the effects from a stream of recent malicious JAR files more proactively, the file corresponding with the hash you mentioned is in the queue.

Sunbelt’s Malware Response Manager, Dodi Glenn, reported that this file was in the company’s repository and submitted it for detailed analysis. Here are the results:

This file contains a malicious java.class … that exploits the CVE-2008-5353 vulnerability. … We are currently testing our updated detection for this exploit and expect to release it shortly.

The good news is that my system wasn’t compromised in any way. The exploit in question was blocked by a Java update that I had installed last year. Likewise, the booby-trapped PDF file (which all of the antivirus programs detected) relied on the user having a very outdated version of Adobe Reader installed, and mine was fully up-to-date.

Last week, when I wrote about Microsoft’s decision to expand its distribution of Microsoft Security Essentials via Microsoft Update, McAfee complained that free software simply isn’t as good as its paid protection. Here’s what a spokesperson told me:

McAfee wants consumers to be safe online. Options that provide an elementary level of security are free products including Microsoft Security Essentials, however these mostly rely on traditional protection mechanisms.  McAfee products offer not only more features but most importantly, McAfee products offer real-time protection using cloud-based Global Threat Intelligence to combat even the most sophisticated threats thus ensuring complete protection and peace of mind.

In this case, at least, that protection wasn’t as complete as the free Microsoft product it was comparing itself to.

As an aside, it’s worth noting that criticizing Microsoft Security Essentials because it’s free misses an important point. MSE uses the same scanning engine and definitions as its enterprise-grade Forefront product, which is most assuredly not free.

One certainly shouldn’t draw definitive conclusions from a single anecdotal example, but as this case shows, the gap between antivirus products isn’t as simple as free versus paid, and even the best and brightest researchers can miss a threat.

Update 15-Nov 7:00AM PST: Another real world example just dropped into my lap. A commenter in the Talkback section of this thread posted a link to a news website claiming to offer a video of the full Sunbelt report. (The malicious comment and link were deleted almost immediately.) Visiting that page (which is hosted on a legitimate website that has clearly been compromised) displayed a video window with the message “Sorry, this video cannot be played. Problem: plugin is not found.” It then helpfully included a “Download plugin” link. Here’s what the browser displayed:

Of course, this is one of the oldest tricks in the malware book. The link leads to an executable file, which I downloaded (but did not execute) on a system that was not running any antivirus software and submitted to Virustotal.com. The result? 15/43 scanning engines detected it as malware. Microsoft Security Essentials was one of them. It identified the file as TrojanDownloader:Win32/Waledac.C, which was originally included in definition file 1.63.2017.0, released on August 27, 2009. The McAfee Gateway edition identified it as a suspicious file (and thus would have blocked it). McAfee’s consumer product line did not detect the threat at all.

To its credit, Sunbelt successfully identified this threat. On the list of companies that missed it? Symantec, Avast, and TrendMicro.

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Jimster480 3rd Apr
Mcaffee has been a bad antivirus for some time, and MSE works wonders. I've used it for years now on my laptop and desktop. Although I do have to say that Kaspersky is a more complete solution but it can at times be annoying, especially if you are a software developer like me.
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have a client running sav endpoint 11
g_keramidas@... 14th Nov 2010
whenever one of their workstations tried to access their as400, it would fail. figured it was a virus, so i downloaded and installed mse.

found the alureon virus and the as400 access was restored. they tried scanning, i don't know how many times with sav, to no avail.
and i've seen this scenario more than once.
@g_keramidas@... Just one problem:

ALL A/V solutions (including MSE) will miss an alarming amount of malware. Ed Bott sort of missed mentioning that part, which is rather dangerous considering that folks may just stick with (or switch to) MSE, thinking they'll be safe as houses in doing so.

I get paid quite well for (among other things) keeping Windows malware at bay... but this article underlines a very solid reason my work laptop runs Linux as its platform, and why I only use Macs at home. Not that either is perfect, but I like the odds better by doing so.
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The antivirus model is flawed
Richard Flude 15th Nov 2010
You need to restrict the users ability to run executables.

MS doesn't seem to care. Enjoy your malware.
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My Mac had a virus last week
jscott418 15th Nov 2010
For someone who claims to be so security consious. You are being a bit careless assuming Linux or especially Mac's are better? I run Sophos Free on my Mac's and to my surprise it finds Malware. I think anyone who is intelligent in security would never assume any platform to be safe.
@Random_Walk
me too. So far, the Mac viruses that I have heard about, from people who were crazy happy that Mac had a virus, require you to enter your password to give them permission to run.
@Random_Walk The BlackHat society has shown many times that the Mac and Linux platforms are at much greater odds for getting malicious software than is Windows 7. You like most Mac zealots are stuck on the past with the swiss-cheese of OSes, Windows XP. That's old news. Grow up.
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That capability exits today.
ye 15th Nov 2010
@Richard Flude: You need to restrict the users ability to run executables.

And has for quite some time. Time to join us in the 21st century.

The antivirus model is flawed

This we can agree on. I'm still wondering why people continue to recommend it and ignore other, more proactive and beneficial, recommendations.
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Richard Flude, Apple does not seem to care
Mister Spock 15th Nov 2010
Whether your Apple product has malware, otherwise
they would not imply that their software "can not be infected".

Logic would prove it is Apple that does not care.
plain
@Random_Walk I agree that they all miss stuff, but I've found through experience (by using windows / osx and linux, not isolating myself from the most used OS on the planet)that MSE is one of the better ones. Between MSE and the malwarebytes product, they catch pretty much everything.

Norton, McAfee, Trend etc are very similar. It's as if they compete with each other on interfaces, and ignore the point. Norton and McAfee top my list for most hated software on the planet, primarily due to the difficulty in removal, and the issues they cause with the remnants they leave behind.

I also get paid quite well to (amongst other things) keep malware at bay. However, I believe I am more objective about the realities of threats. As you would know (as a highly paid individual), if it is connected, it is at risk (regardless of Linux/ Osx etc). Most infections are caused by ignorance / stupidity, of which I am sure you don't suffer.

However, if you don't run some form of AV on these products, I can send a tech around to help you with that happy
@Random_Walk
Question is how long it will take malware writers to move to Linux or Mac platforms once most of the users starts using these platforms for daily tasks.
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Don't tell me what I can't run
itsme2003 17th Nov 2010
Richard Flude said "You need to restrict the users ability to run executables."

While Microsoft may do anything it wants to with the computers that it owns, I wouldn't care for them to do any more restricting of what I may run. It's my computer, not theirs, and not yours Richard.

All the security bimbos have pressured Mircosoft to make computers too unusable in their efforts to appease the security kooks, and security media. There are programs that I have to jump through amazing hoops to run. And programs that I have to tell everytime that they go to run that yes they really are OK to run. And programs that will not run at startup without an amazing amount of effort.

There has to be a balance between security and usability. The most secure computer would allow no user input at all. We could only watch what was on the screen. But I guess that we already have that and call it a television. I can't think of the last time my tv got a virus, so I guess that if we really want to elimate the problem with viruses we could just remove keyboards and mice from all computers.
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@Random_Walk, I agree and run linux for the same reason, but I think the real point of this story was the fact that free AV's are catching things that the paid AV's are missing, and I have to say, McAfee is probably the worst AV to test anything against, I have seen it miss so many virus' in my day its not even funny, I am also a proponent of free software, which is why I usually setup most of my users with Avast.

@Richard Flude Most malware doesnt come in form of an executable, its usually an active X plugin, or some other form (PDF comes to mind), so your logic is flawed as well.
@Random_Walk nice but if your have restrict the users ability to run executables. more appreciable. custom book report | buy Admission essay | buy thesis
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Linux?
Tom6 15th Nov 2010
Another case of Windows of a Windows vulnerability that linux is safe from. Also with linux when it does it's typical updates process it updates ALL programs, codecs, drivers, libraries, adobe stuff and everything. With Windows "updates" almost none of these get updated, you have to update each of those individually. Why risk staying with Windows?
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Tom happy
@Tom6 Hey, Windows 7 is awesome. I have been using it for a year and a half with no problems what-so-ever. My daughter's mac freezes at least three or four times a week and she has to reboot it to get it to work again. Virus scanners find all kinds of nasty stuff on her Mac. MSE finds all kinds of stuff on mine as well, but it stops it. I am very happy with Windows 7. It rocks and would not trade it for anything else, especially the backward, good for nothing, and fragmented Linux desktop.
@Tom6 ... Because it works for me, which Linux cannot, with its lack of needed drivers.
@Tom6

Just for the sake of joining in the fray on this endless adhoc between Linux and Windows...

The real question: Why risk staying with Linux? I mean really: using Linux exclusively is like the Patriot Act... After a while, you must realize that you aren't safer...you're just less free.

Being that you probably don't accomplish much more than web surfing on your Linux-box (oh, yeah, and Open Office Docs), you probably never run into a driver issue where an OLDER driver is more appropriate than a new one. How annoying it would be if that driver you needed kept updating to a new driver because it wanted to...

Sure, you could probably set it not to update, but isn't that sooo much trouble? Especially considering that you then have to set your download libraries and then double check those to make sure they're adhering to your requests...

I know your Linux. Well...not Linux--Ubuntu. It was fun...a lot more efficient web-surfing than any other platform. It's just when I want OPTIONS with doing other things, they don't seem provided...and I have to do quite a bit to find what I want...then I have to hope it works...

I fix machines at work. Fun job, but I don't want to bring it home. When I'm home, I want to EASILY relax and enjoy my family...

You must have time on your hands that I don't...

So why intelligently stay with Windows? Because they have experience with threats, have developed for over twenty years, have a user-base that makes it easier to discern between good and not-as-good software, and...it's the only way I can use Microsoft Security Essentials that I have been touting since earlier this year--when I installed Windows 7.

You can stay in the '60s and '70s with your technology if you want, Tom... But it's the twenty-first century...and command-line isn't cool unless you're FIXING something...
Unlike most folks who just point and click, I read the EULA.
Way too intrusive for me.
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omg i shall download this tomorrow! classic chanel bags
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First of all McAfee is crap and so are their product besides SiteAdvisor. They have a partner ship with DELL and other companies that's why so many users are forced to use their products because it comes pre-installed but the fact is Norton Antivirus and Norton Internet security are far more better than their products. As soon as I got this laptop I removed McAfee security center from this laptop and installed Norton Internet Security 2011.
@shellcodes_coder

Norton is just as bad as McAfee and it is even worse when it comes to bogging down your system and raising the cost of the subscription every year. Neither McAfee or Norton would be in my top 8 programs that I would use for antivirus.

I used to use MSE in conjunction with Avast but I find MSE is all I need now.
@Mythos7 You might want to update your data on Norton Internet Security.
@Mike (Not Cox)

Stung once by Norton. Horrible, horrible AV. I know many have said that they turned around, but once bitten, twice shy. Would never switch back.
@Mythos7
When was the last time you used nortons?
@Mythos7 - The first thing I do when I get a new PC is to uninstall McAfee and/or Norton. I'm not a big fan of Microsoft. But I'm a lesser fan of McAfee and Norton.
@Mythos7 I use MSE with Norton 360 and for sure MSE found more than Norton. I am pleasantly surprised that I can run both AV simultaneously and now recommend to my clients that MSE is the first one I would install and N360 mfor the other things it does.
@Mike (not Cox), @Stan57

I don't know why I comment here because Zdnet messaging sucks. What is with only being able to comment for 2 levels. Why doesn't Zdnet just switch to Disqus.

Anyway since I can't respond to those asking me when I last used Norton I'll reply to my own message.

It has been a long time since I used McAffee or Norton myself but I support several friends and families? computers so I keep coming across them. An Uncle recently asked me to come over to help him decide about renewing Norton because the yearly renewal was about $80 and he said it keep going up every year. I couldn't believe all the crap and processes Norton had running on his system and what is with $80 for a yearly renewal. I talked him into cancelling Norton and I uninstalled it and installed MSE and he likes it much better now.
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Funny...
Wolfie2K3 15th Nov 2010
@Mike (not Cox)
My experience with all antivirus products Norton over the past 10 years would speak otherwise. 9 out of 10 machines I came across had either Norton or Symantec AV in some variation.

All of the machines in question had multiple infections.

All of the machines in question had a failure to update definitions while the subscription was brand new and still valid.

Norton/Symantec is junk.
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@Mythos7

Symantec's Anti-Virus today is a lot more decent than it's past versions plus it uses way less resources. But still, I use AVG Internet Security.
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@Mythos7 AGREED!, Norton is trash, McAfee is trash, and both are waste of money, I stopped using norton in 03, after it became so bloated that it would kill a brand new PC
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Norton has not learned how to make an AV product with less than 1 Terabytes of space...Sad Real Sad...
@amasys

The personal computers I have seen running Norton are horribly bogged down. Norton like many others has evolved its programs to try and do many things and none of them well. Their enterprise level products are much better but still can be a resource hog in some areas and it is terribly expensive.
I tried Norton's again about 6 months ago, after being one of those people who had been stung by it in the past. The bloatware, the numerous memory hogging tsr's and the lethargy it imparts on any system it's installed upon.

At first I was hopeful. You see I was a big fan of Norton's in the deep dark past, BW (before Windows 95) and held out some small hope that his (Yes, there is a guy called Norton) products would come good once again.

But sadly this was not the case. The product was still bloatware, even if it did have a nicer interface. But what was really the bottom line, was the way it interfered with system processes in it's attempts to maintain protection. And this has always been my problem with Norton's. It tries too hard. It will protect you against Viruses at the expense of a smooth running stable system. After discovering that all the computers I'd installed Norton's on where randomly crashing their print queues I got rid of it. That was in an office of 60 odd computers, on which I installed 6 copies of Norton.
@bobiroc

What you are getting with the enterprise versions is the ability to have a central console for management purposes. Once centrally managed, those results can then be fed into a SIEM device for further analysis alongside firewall/router logs and critical server event logs. All of this allows you to see patterns and recognize distributed attacks and/or probing. It IS expensive, but you're paying for the ability to have insight into threats on an enterprise level.

As to consumer products, all AV is pretty much the same. They all identify about 99.99% of threats and aren't too CPU intensive. The CPU starts getting fried when you start including all the bells and whistles such as IDS/IPS, Client Firewall, and "Web/Identity Guard" type technologies.

It is all a moot point anyway as several other people have pointed out that the best security starts with the user anyway!
@shellcodes_coder Norton's just terrible. I'd rather have McAfee than Norton and I don't like either. I'm a big fan of CA eTrust personally.
@shellcodes_coder

Norton is worse crap.
@shellcodes_coder That, among other reasons, is why my fifth purchase won't be a Dell. I just want to buy a computer.
@Daddy Tadpole
Hmmmm....
Last Dell I bought I had the option to have no AV installed.
Looked it up today and can still uncheck.
Might be because I am an EPP member....
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@shellcodes_coder ... when I buy Dell computers, the firsth thing I do is strip out the pre-loaded stuff and stick MSE on the system.

Comcast used to provide all of their broadband custoemrs with McAfee but nor they provide Norton AV.

It's MSE for me though!
@shellcodes_coder
I'm going to make a completely biased comment now.
You want *GOOD* antivirus protection? Find yourself a Bitdefender Internet Security or Bitdefender Total Security antivirus model. I constantly find viruses with that product that McAfee, Norton, Kaspersky, AVG and a good few other antivirus products miss. I would have recommended MSE and Avast! to anyone who wanted free AV protection, but in my experience, bitdefender is the best that I've seen. And I haven't even paid for it yet, I beta test the new ones for a few months and usually win a key for the finished product for 1 year after I'm done because of all my bug reports. So I have legit, freely obtained "paid" antivirus protection. Can you beat that? happy
@D2 Ultima

Well I cannot quite argue your opinion but one of the worlds best AV reviewers shows BitDefender 2011 did quite well but MSE which is actually free fared better... Do a little research... McAfee scored at the bottom end with Spyware Doctor. Nortons did okay at most but still sub par and a effing lagger.

http://av-comparatives.org/comparativesreviews

MSE all the way baby! Just wait until 2.0 comes out this year it should be much faster and more efficient as if it is even possible. MSE 2.0 beta has been working like a charm for me and is trusted.
@audidiablo
I won't deny MSE's ability to detect viruses; they're being made by the makers of the OS. It's like Apple releasing something which will block everything that is made to harm the Mac OS X. It *ought* to work the best I think.
I use bitdefender because of its excellent virus detection rate, its other friendly features and its *stopping power*. Bitdefender surprised me as being (to my knowledge) the ONLY existing antivirus to be able to delete a virus MID-DOWNLOAD. More than once I've downloaded a file (usually a crack or whatnot) and halfway finished downloading, bitdefender informs me that it deleted a virus in X file etc. The download will finish; but the file obtained will be broken and unusable.
Not to mention it uses a friendly interface allowing things like game modes (stops popups and allows your game to do its necessary connections while game mode is on, etc) for playing fullscreen games, and completely customizable scan times, registry cleaners (with automatic backups made every time the cleaner is run) etc. Lots of great stuff.

If I ever beta test a BD product and I don't get a key from it and i have none in reserve, I shall go to MSE and probably forget about BD. But why waste a good thing, ya? =)
@D2 Ultima
Have to agree BD is very good, have been in their test program last two versions...

But....
I have switched all my pc's and friends/family over to MSE as the BD licenses ran out - why? - found the "average" user had less issues with MSE.

It was simpler and provided pretty much the same level of threat protection.
@zenwalker
I agree, the average user will confuse themselves with bitdefender once they put it on. When I put it on a system though, I set it up for them so that they can just forget about it. It will scan once a week at a time they say they won't be doing anything important (I.E. say friday lunchtime, or sunday morning while they're at church, etc). If it asks to reboot, they reboot, I keep the alerts at a minimum etc.

As for all the computers directly under my jurisdiction (in my house that my other family members use, etc) I actually don't run any antiviruses on them...
The users just go to youtube or play runescape. Never had any issues. I'll stop being lazy sometime though, and install MSE on em one day XD
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@D2 Ultima

I'm a heavy user of computers and the net and I've used a considerable number of anti-virus products for almost ten years. I have written to various companies whenever I found a stubborn threat. Some of the products I used were highly popular and some claimed themselves to be the best, but my real world experience has proved me 'BitDefefender' to be the best paid AV product that I have ever used.

However, I do not deny the existence of a very few free AV products like 'Spybot' who has really helped me to solve certain real headaches!

Care must be taken not to overload your system with a number of products running simultaneously for obvious reasons. Also, think twice before instaling
a product merely on impulse or on a reader's recommendations without you really studying about the subject.

Best Regards!
@shellcodes_coder
Tell that to an on-line gamer. You practically have to disable Norton to play.
I'm not a gamer, but Norton gave me so many false positives, I gave up.
McAfee - even cookies are rated as 'severe'.
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@shellcodes_coder
@To all the guys: Guys first of all try Norton Internet Security 2011 is fast and very light too. It took me less than a minute to install it. As usual, NIS 2011 has won PCMag's editor choice award again

@sirpaul2: Yes man I do online gaming too. I have many games installed and I've never have had to disable Norton. You might have used older versions of Norton but their products have changed since 2009. That's the reason Norton Internet Security and 360 are selling like hot cakes. Just look at the top selling software products on amazon
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We switched from McAfee to Forefront
mikefarinha 14th Nov 2010
We switched from McAfee about a year ago because a family of viruses comprimised our network. McAfee's paid product took several days before it recieved definition updates to id the exploit. We used MSE during our transition to Forefont and it ID'ed the threat right away.

McAfee has really fallen behind these days.
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@mikefarinha

Same experience here. While it didn't seem like many endpoint workstations were getting infected we were unhappy with the price and performance of McAfee. We found that it did not protect very well especially on the SpyWare side of things and when McAfee wanted extra $$$ for their SpyWare module we decided to look somewhere else. Talking with several school districts in the area we found many moved to Forefront and had nothing but good things to say about it. We made the switch and not only is it less expensive than McAfee it protects better and doesn't eat away at the computer resources. Using the management side we found a good handful of Machines that had some spyware related infections that McAfee missed as well.

I am eagerly waiting the upcoming engine update that is supposed to offer even better protection. Been running the latest beta of MSE on my laptop at home and so far it seems to perform very well and not eat away at the computer.
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doesnt surprise me
Jimster480 3rd Apr
Mcaffee has been a bad antivirus for some time, and MSE works wonders. I've used it for years now on my laptop and desktop. Although I do have to say that Kaspersky is a more complete solution but it can at times be annoying, especially if you are a software developer like me.

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