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Seven big questions about the new Windows Phone 7 Series

By | February 17, 2010, 10:18pm PST

Summary: I watched this week’s announcement of the new Windows Phone 7 Series from afar. Still, even over the Internet, it was an impressive demo, and the post-announce buzz has been positive. I’ve come up with seven big questions that stand out in my mind, wondering about the missing apps, the long wait, and whether that awkward name is really a liability.

I watched this week’s announcement of the new Windows Phone 7 Series over the web. It was in Barcelona, and I was stuck here at home digging out from under a mountain of work that piled up after a pleasant vacation. Still, even over the Internet, it was an impressive demo, and the post-announce buzz was uniformly positive. (ZDNet’s coverage includes excellent posts from my compadres Mary Jo Foley, Matthew Miller, and Joel Evans, analysis by Larry Dignan, and a slick image gallery.) After looking at the announcement and thinking over its ramifications, I’ve come up with seven big questions that stand out in my mind.

Is this a complete reset of the Windows Mobile line? And can Microsoft pull it off?

This is a new operating system, a new user interface, and a new set of requirements on hardware makers. What’s left? All in all, this is indeed a complete reset and a pretty spectacular admission that the old Windows Mobile line was years past its sell-by date.

The ZuneHD wasn’t a mere media player, it was a stealth, hidden-in-plain-sight workout of a new hardware platform.

It does invite shuddering comparisons to the XP-to-Vista transition, doesn’t it?

Fortunately, this isn’t as big a leap as it appears. The hardware, the OS, and the new UI have already had a pretty thorough shakedown in the evolution of the Zune hardware, which culminated in the ZuneHD, which is impressive technically even if it hasn’t been a hit sales-wise. For Zune-watchers who wondered why Microsoft was persisting in its seemingly quixotic competition with the iPod juggernaut, you now have your answer: The ZuneHD wasn’t a mere media player, it was a stealth, hidden-in-plain-sight workout of a new hardware platform. Based on the ZuneHD experience, we already know what the UI and hardware can do at a minimum, and there are some pretty impressive new technologies in the Windows Phone 7.

There’s a lot we can’t evaluate about the Zune/WinPhone7 platform, because it’s so opaque. Long Zheng identified the Zune’s “Iris” UI framework several years ago, but we still know little about it. In a private conversation yesterday, Rafael Rivera called Iris “a huge blackbox of a framework” and promised to tear it apart to see what makes it tick. I’m looking forward to reading about his discoveries.

So yes, there are unmistakable similarities to the reset that resulted in Windows Vista, but three years later I think there’s no question Microsoft has learned from those mistakes. No one within a thousand miles of Redmond wants to be associated with anything even remotely like another Vista, and there’s enough understanding of where that project went wrong that I think history is unlikely to repeat here.

Page 2: Where are the apps? Why the wait? –>

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Sounds good to me....
johnmckay 20th Feb 2010
I've been thinking about a new phone too and had the pleasure of someone showing me the win mobile 6.5 (6 or 6.5) apps etc.

What I hadn't reaslised till then was that the iphone has no multitasking and you can only run one thing at a time. The win gadget however was able to kick-off google maps, word processer, download from internet, and let you hop between them.

I'm holding of till I see win mobile 7, and maybe Blackberry connect ut that's maybe getting greedy.

It's too much cash to outlay on a gadget at the moment and might as well wait and see what makes it into production. Looking good though !
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Good balanced article and...
BondiGeek Updated - 18th Feb 2010
I think that pushing Silverlight on to what appears to be a very cool mobile OS
could be just what Microsoft need to kick start the uptake of Silverlight.

If we can develop slick graphical apps for Windows Phone 7 then this opens
the door for advertising on the phone like Flash Ads have done on the
PC/Mac...something we can't currently do on the iPhone or iPad as Apple flat out refuses to support it.

Personally as a developer in the digital space I can see $ signs on the horizon
and increased job security for some time now happy

BondiGeek
1. I like my ZuneHD very much (I don't love hardware). I use the ZuneHD or at least the Zune software to listen to the MacBreak Weekly podcast. The "Zunishness" of the 7 series phones is a very positive thing to me.

I also like the Zune store (although some aspects of search there still are beyond my ken: that applies to iTunes store too).

2. I would like to believe that Microsoft learned from the PlaysForSure debacle just as they learned from the Vista problems (I say "problems" rather than debacle because Vista worked just fine for me, thanks.)

3. Silverlight should be a big plus.

I don't know whether I'll buy a 7 series phone (obviously, since what it is is mostly unknown). But I'm not making any iPhone 3G replacement decisions until the 7 series is out and I can play with it. I don't even know whether I will stay with a "smartphone".

A phone just smart enough to receive text messages (ie, pages) on a prepay basis, plus something like an iPad, is a clear alternative to some smartphone. I don't use many phone minutes; I don't send text messages (except once in a while to comment to a co-worker about a page).

It's going to be an interesting year.
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Sounds good to me....
johnmckay 20th Feb 2010
I've been thinking about a new phone too and had the pleasure of someone showing me the win mobile 6.5 (6 or 6.5) apps etc.

What I hadn't reaslised till then was that the iphone has no multitasking and you can only run one thing at a time. The win gadget however was able to kick-off google maps, word processer, download from internet, and let you hop between them.

I'm holding of till I see win mobile 7, and maybe Blackberry connect ut that's maybe getting greedy.

It's too much cash to outlay on a gadget at the moment and might as well wait and see what makes it into production. Looking good though !
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Another question I'd like to add ...
TV John 18th Feb 2010
Will it run legacy apps? One of the bonuses of using Windows Mobile or whatever it's currently called is the huge number of applications out there, even if they are a somewhat mixed bunch spread out all over the internet. In fact, the absence of one particular app (Laridian) is currently preventing me from looking seriously at Android, so I think this could be an important question for some.
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That was actually question #8
Ed Bott 18th Feb 2010
wink

But I don't think we'll know the answer till MIX10 next month.
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The real app compat question is...
Johnny Vegas 18th Feb 2010
Will WP8 support WM6x apps? If not then best to make the break here and make sure that WP7 apps follow the same shell/app model as WP8 apps will so we don't end up with neither WM6 or WP7 app running on WP8
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Here is THE question
Jeremy W 18th Feb 2010
Why would any handset manufacturer use WinMob7 when it can get
Android - arguably a far better product - for free? In addition,
WinMob has a well deserved reputation for being simply junk. (Doubt
it? Ask Mary Jo!)

In addition, now that WinMob7 has been announced, WinMob "Classic"
(why are MSFT dying products always renamed?) sales will dry up,
accelerating the power dive of WinMob market share. From a position
of nearly 50% of smart phones, WinMob is irrelevant and becoming
miniscule. Probably by the time WinMob7 is released, the share will be
down to 5%.

Also, it comes with integrated Zune. Wow, is that not the NSA-CIA
music player that no one has ever seen and no one wants? What great
marketing! - integrating a music player no one cares about or wants.

Long story short: THE question is: who cares about WinMob in
whatever form, now or in the future?

WinMob was a clunky, kludgy, monotonously stupidly designed (I had
11 of them and they got worse over time!) monopoly defender
product. WinMob was only intended as a stopgap so that corporations
could impose it on their workers - "This is what head office wants you
to use; it works with Windows.....

Anyone who ever used its browser knew that it was merely a tediously
inept and shrunken version of Win without any thought given to the
limitations of smaller screens. Simply, the browser was unusable and
got worse over time. It was another "To hell with the end user; he has
no choice; he MUST use us" product.

MSFT never saw that handset velocity is 3X that of PCs and has
completely lost its position. As handsets become the dominant
product, MSFT has, after 3-5 years, seen the light and wants to sell a
product that is now only two years out of date. Good luck with that
BloatFarm!

The real question is: Why has a management that has such a titanic
record of product failures (Zune, SPot, Vista, Xbox, WinMob) not been
replaced years ago. (Did I mention the lamentable LiveSearch?)

WinMob has been a disappointment and failure; its top management
should have been pastured years ago; no amount of shilling will
change that.
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XBox a failure?
rynning 18th Feb 2010
I thought the XBox was successful, and Windows 7 is doing very well. Office continues to sell. So it's ok that they missed the boat on mobile.
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WM has been great for me
gadgetlover Updated - 18th Feb 2010
I respect your opinion, but my experience has been the opposite of yours. I have owned over a dozen WM PDAs / Smartphones starting with PPC2002, and all have been reliable, stable, did what I wanted quickly / easily, and lasted years. I favor the bigger screen devices, and even the standard WM interface is finger friendly. I can't remember the last time I used a stylus on any of the devices. I still use a PPC2003SE Toshiba e830 daily without a stylus. I will shed a tear when that device finally fails. The 4" VGA screen is a pleasure to use without a stylus. I have tried using the slicker UI shells, and although they are nice, I usually return to using the standard UI enhanced with the Pocket Plus application.

One of the nice features with WM Classic is the abilty to use multiple browsers. Even though Pocket IE gets constant negative press, the older versions were excellent for reading the mobile web. You had your choice of layouts, and text size. A great feature was the text would reflow when you zoomed the page so you could read the page with a comfortable text size without the dreaded horizontal scrolling something the iPhone / iPod touch has problems doing with some single column pages. Yes, Pocket IE did not do a good job displaying full web pages, but it was never designed for full pages. In addition, when Pocket IE was released, the mobile data speeds were so low you would not want a full page. I prefer the mobile web on screens 7" because all the zooming, pannng, and scrolling required to read the full web gets tiring. For those who like the full web on a small screen, there are a plethora of alternate browsers for WM which do a fine job displaying the full web. I used NetFront 3.2 / 3.3 on a WM VGA device long before the iPhone was released, and I was able to log-on to my checking accout on-line, and do everything my desktop could including displaying copies of canceled checks. At the time, the bank did not have a mobile site. Even though another company advertises it gives the full internet experience, the only browser which can display the full web consistenty is the free Skyfire which was available first for WM, and recently for RIM.

The standard WM UI was modeled after the Windows desktop which 95% of the potential customers had used to minimize learning curve. Wow, you may have to spend 10 minutes learning an interface, and for that 10 minutes of time, you gain years of doing things many other devices could not do, or do as well. Good trade IMO. If you prefer a slicker UI, many free, or low cost alternatives are available.

I did not purchase an iPhone because it is too feature deficient, and controlled for my needs. I did purchase an iPod touch so I could gain extensive experience with iPhone OS, mobile Safari, and multi-touch (all grossly over-rated IMO) which is why I have experienced mobile Safari's failure to reflow text when double tap zoom does not work, and you use pinch zoom. Many times with the iPod touch, you have a choice between reading a page with about an 8 point font, or using pinch zoom, and horizontally scrolling to read each line which gets old after about 2 lines. From a stability pov, I have to soft reset the iPod touch due to Safari freezes much more frequently than any WM device I have owned, and I use the WM devices much more frequently.

Again, I respect your opinon, but did want to relate my positive experience with WM.
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Interesting
rynning 18th Feb 2010
It's interesting that's you've owned over a dozen WinMo devices in 8 years. Do you buy one every 8 months or are they given to you?

I'm glad you've had a good experience, and I'm sorry for you that Microsoft is essentially abandoning the platform for R7. My experience was pretty bad for the WinMo phone I had for over two years. In my opinion, it could certainly do a lot, but nothing very well. The iPhone was a breath of fresh air.

"The standard WM UI was modeled after the Windows desktop which 95% of the potential customers had used to minimize learning curve."

Yeah, Microsoft didn't have a lot of imagination when it came to WinMo, right down to the "start" button. That was the problem. It took Apple to "reinvent" (Microsoft's word, not mine) the mobile interface. In my experience, the learning curve on my iPhone was much shorter than on my WinMo phone.
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Agree to Disagee
gadgetlover Updated - 18th Feb 2010
I am a gadget geek, and buy a lot of devices. They were all bought, none were gifts. I do respect your opinion, but again, my experience has been excellent with WM devices. For me, WM did things most other devices could not, and did them well. Even the iPhone today cannot do things (without jailbreaking) that every WM device has done out of the box, such as file explorer which I use multiple times a day since I have many devices to share data with.

Concerning UI, I disagree with your opinion. Since WM was designed for business users, and basically a mobile extension of their desktop computer, it made sense to mimic the desktop UI the users already knew. The main goal of users at the time was to be productive, not entertained. The Windows desktop uses a start button, hence a start button on WM. Click the start button on WM and you have easy to understand menu selections such as programs, settings, IE, mail, contacts, calendar etc. along with your most used applications. A main feature of WM (at least Classic) was the ability to customize it to your liking. If you don't like the standard UI, customize it to your liking using included tools, or low cost utilities such as Pocket Plus. If you want a slick, animated UI, those are available as well. Mobile Shell is as glitzy, and slick as the iPhone's if that is your thing. Try customizing a non-jailbroken iPhone.

Concerning the iPhone, IMO it was not the great leap foward many stipulate, in fact, in many ways, the feature deficiency was a step backward. The iPhone does have a great sceen, bigger menus, and a powerful, yet flawed for single column pages browser included. The main UI is a series of icons like every Palm OS device out there with a few slick transitions added before the selected app is shown. Older WM devices came with a Home app that had a similar icon arrangement. When you select the program item from the start menu on WM, you have a series of finger-friendly icons listing all programs. You scroll vertically with WM's program listing rather than horizontally on the iPhone, and could scroll with a button rather than flicking. One thing the iPhone did was enlarge the menus etc. to be more finger-friendly which is a good thing, but for me, that was a small evolution, not revolution since I rarely use a stylus with any of my devices.

When WM was first designed, screen technology was certainly inferior to what is available now. I am not saying different approaches to UI design are bad, I welcome new approaches since user options are always great. I am not defending the concept of a start button per se, but I am defending why the start button was included in WM when the interface was designed as it was years ago. Five+ years later with a magnum increase in available technology, Apple evolved the experience a bit. I know many think Apple evolved the experience significantly. I respect their opinion, but don't agree with it.

As indicated in my original post, mobile Safari is great for multi-column sites, but leaves a lot to be desired for single column pages, and forums. There are many browsers available for WM that do mobile, and full well.

No mobile OS is the best for everyone. The iPhone is too feature deficient, controlled, and consumer oriented for my needs. I bought an iPod touch so I could experience iPhone OS, mobile Safari, and multi-touch extensively (all over-rated IMO). The iPod touch is definitely fun to use. Then I try to do the things I need to do, and the iPhone / iPod touch are big failures. I don't care how slick, fun, and pretty a device is if it can't do what you want to accomplish, it is a failure for you. If the iPhone meets your needs, fine you have a slick, solid device. IMO, the pendulum has swung way too far in the direction of how slick, fun, and animated the UI is vs. can the device do what you need easily, quicky, reliably with a minimum of inputs. Most of the press, both mainstream, and tech oriented, range between salivating, and orgasmic when they cover the iPhone with barely a mention of the missing features that are avaiable, and used on other platforms.
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I had so many WinMobs
Jeremy W 18th Feb 2010
because they kept falling apart.

HTC truly makes junk. The hardware/software
integration was silly and tedious but the hardware was
certainly not up to "enterprise standard."

WinMob devices show a gross lack of detail to software
and hardware.

I have owned an iPhone for almost two years. My
experience is far, far better than WinMob. Plus, the Os
was updated twice. That never happened with the junk
from MSFT. It was clunky and kludgy and never got
better. The only people who were advantaged by the
WinMob devices were landfill operators.
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Had great experience with WM hardware
gadgetlover Updated - 18th Feb 2010
You can have problems with any mobile device,
including Apple. Unfortunately, your
experience has been negative with WM in
general, and with HTC hardware. All my WM
devices were well built, and have lasted for
many years. The only thing
I replaced were batteries after a couple of
years which took all of 15 seconds to replace,
and in most cases, $10 on eBay.

My current phone is a HTC Touch Pro which has
worked flawlessly for a year and a half now
even though it has been dropped several times.
It has dings, and chips from the falls, but
still works great. My prior phone was a HTC
built PPC67600 which worked flawlessly for two
years before being replaced by the Touch Pro.
I still use the PPC6700 today via WiFI, and
still works great. It too was well built, and
the slide-out keyboard is still solid. The
only thing I have replaced is the battery for
about $6.00 on eBay, and 15 seconds to remove /
replace the snap-on back cover. Try that with
your iPhone when it is time to replace the
battery.

A friend of mine with an iPhone used it for
phone, and email only. After two years, it
failed. He went to the Apple store, and they
could not fix it for less than the cost of a
new one with a new contract of course. I
belong to a mobile user group, and several
users had iPhone failures in the first year
which were replaced under warranty.

Before I owned WM devices, I had about a dozen
or so Palm OS devices. With the exception of a
cracked screen due to drops on concrete, all
the Palm OS device worked fine, were well
built, and gave many years of use. If I put 2
batteries in my Palm III, it would boot up fine
today.
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Xbox
Jeremy-UK 18th Feb 2010
Kinda depends doesn't it? As a games console - yeah, pretty
successful. As a "trojan horse" to get into the living room, not so
much.

The Xbox project has shown that Microsoft can get a lot right, Xbox
Live is simply the best multiplayer service out there. The Xbox 360
hardware has been less than a stellar success (though at least
Microsoft has done the right thing by customers). Lots has gone
horribly wrong too - the HD-DVD thing? (oops!) The whole "it's more
than a games console" thing.

Then there are the UI mistakes, the "Blades" UI wasn't brilliant, but the
new one is actually worse. Of course, these seem positively inspired
compared to the shambles that is Sony's Xross Media Bar (XMB).

Of course, most people will look at the games, and here Microsoft
have pulled some sheer brilliance, Halo (developed by Bungee) is
fantastic, but other Xbox exclusives help cement the brand (Gears of
War, Project Gotham Racing, etc.)

So the "success" of the Xbox is a patchy thing,
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XBOX is a failure
Jeremy W 18th Feb 2010
because $billions were squandered on its development
and ore $billions were wasted fixing it numerous
times.

The result is that so much money was spent on it that
it can never return a positive ROI to shareholders.

It is another in a series of brilliant failures at MSFT.

With its current top management, $billions are spent
on wasted efforts: Zune, LiveSearch, WinMob, SPoT,
Vista, etc.

The top management should have been pastured
almost a decade ago but lives on from the monopoly
rents and squanders shareholder wealth.

Few companies could tolerate "successes" like Xbox.
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If you have to ask "why"
GuidingLight 18th Feb 2010
then you would not understand (or most likely hate) the answer, so it is not worth explaining to you.

Just keep up with your overlly bloated posts Jeremy, You are still amusing at times. happy
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Did you even watch the announcement webcast?
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 18th Feb 2010
Make no mistake - WinPhone is NOT WinMo; they're entirely different beasts.

Oh, and in case you missed it, most of WinMo's management team have indeed moved on and have been replaced with a FAR more capable team.
Because your post ignored the fact that this is a totally DIFFERENT and NEW OS for phones? It doesn't have anything to tie it to the old Windows Mobile, and in fact is a refreshing break from MS trying to put Windows onto underpowered hand-helds! Trust me grumpy! When Microsoft turns out a product that will work better than Apple or Linux phones or any OTHER phone OS, People WILL buy IT!
Your post is like any other from a (Microsoft/Apple/Toyota, name your poison) hater, ignoring the facts, just hammering away at the keyboard to try to make us feel the same as you! Got news for ya! It doesn't work! Some of us are adults that try before they buy! I like Apple, I like Microsoft, I like RCA! If Microsoft turns out a product that, after using the beta and RC's, I DON'T like, I won't buy it! I didn't like Vista, I didn't buy it. I like Windows 7 and I have it! I bought a Palm-Pre and I love some things, don't like some things, and have to wait for some things! If they don't come by the time my contract is over, and Microsoft has what I want in a Phone OS I'll buy it! If Not I'll look at Android and Iphones IF they are offered by the CARRIER that I want! But just downing a brand 'cause you bought something you don't like is childish!
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They did have a real device...
DevStar 18th Feb 2010
Joe was using real hardware and hooked it up to the video out. It was prototype hardware, but it was not just slides.
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Watch the damn webcast and THEN comment ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 18th Feb 2010
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/default.aspx

THEN we might be able to have a sensible debate about the subject.
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I have, and he's wrong.
MarkKB 19th Feb 2010
Er, I watched the webcast the day after the keynote, and he was definitely controlling the device physically for the first half of the demonstration. He even lost the connection between the device and the projector mid-way through.

Additionally, several publications, including Engadget and Gizmodo, posted hands-on videos of people actually using the device. So, yeah.
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Better Name
P. Douglas Updated - 18th Feb 2010
It would probably be better if MS calls its new phones, Windows Phone - The 7 Series.

I'm certainly happy, like most others, with what MS has done. In addition, I think if MS could get quite a bit of exclusive content on its Zune network, it could advertise the Zune network in old media (along with its exclusive content / artists), and try to aggressively sign up people for subscriptions to Zune when they buy Windows phones. Therefore Windows phones could be used as important opportunities to sell users compelling subscription services (which could be simply added to the users' monthly payments) which could help further monetize Windows mobile.
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Zukuzu and Jeremy W
BondiGeek 18th Feb 2010
If you are going to comment on this article then it might help to educate yourselves a little on the subject matter. It's obvious that you haven't seen what was demonstrated at MWC this week.

Rather than wasting time making comments that show you just have an axe to grind it would be far more mature to do a little research and then provide your opinion. As it stands your comments have no credibility and add nothing to the discussion here.
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You are asking for maturity from Jeremy W?
GuidingLight 18th Feb 2010
you would have a better chance of gettin blood from a stone before Jeremy W would answer constructively.

Even with positive reviews of a Microsoft product, he allways shows up spouting the exact same nonesense as he has done above.
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Ah right
BondiGeek 18th Feb 2010
Good to know who the time wasters are from the regular contributers...if it wasn't already blatently obvious happy

Cheers guidinglight
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Happy with Windows Mobile
MSBassSinger 18th Feb 2010
I have a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone, using AT&T as my carrier and hosted on a Samsung device.

It works fine for me. I send and receive email on two different accounts, using the built-in Outlook. I can read and edit Word and Excel on my cell phone, though I haven't tried PowerPoint yet.

I write .NET mobile apps that run fine on my phone, including using the built-in SQL Server database.

I look forward to Windows 7 Mobile being even better.

Sometimes the problem isn't the tool, its the person using it.
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Why Microsoft will fail...
rynning 18th Feb 2010
"Sometimes the problem isn't the tool, its the person using it."

Spoken like a true programmer.

My brother actually bought a WinMo device last year, because the salesman said, "You can edit Word documents on it." I asked him the other day if he actually ever done it. He said "no." Of couse, the problem is not the tool, it's him...
I've been a PDA user since the Palm Pro days. I've owned a smart phone since the first Treo was released. Up until my current HTC Mogul, running Windows Mobile 6.1 (upgraded from 6.0), all my smart phones have been basedon the Palm OS, with the last one being a trusty Treo 650.

I HATE Windows Mobile and have wanted to throw my phone out the window on more than a handful of occasions. Compared to my Treo 650 it's applications run slow as molasses. Compared with the iPhone or new Android smart phones, it is standing still and has a user interface that is positively stone-age in comparison!

If the Windows 7 Zune Phone doesn't run faster, offer a more intuitive multi-touch interface, offer an online application store and developer program that is superior to Google's or Apple's and cost less than it's Android competitors, the Windows Mobile platform will be finished! The only way I would buy a Windows 7 Zune phone is if it could be purchased for $300 without a contract, activated on a Voice+Txt only (no data) plan and/or on value service provider networks like MetroPCS!

Never again will I be shackled via a onerous and overpriced 2-yr contract, to a sub-standard piece of technology that can't be upgraded or easily switched to a different carrier. Microsoft is big and rich enough to break the mold and truly offer superior smart phone technology, that integrates seamlessly with both their desktop and cloud (SAS) offerings. Whether anyone at MS is bright enough to figure out and act on what I've just said, is another matter altogether.

My prediction for the Windows Mobile 7 Zune phone... R.I.P. 2011
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as my WinMobile 6.5 phones runs fast, and fine.

It appears that Microsoft has learned well from the past, so this has all the earmarks of a success, as they did with Windows 7.

Only a handfull of Android phones I have seen run fast and smoth, some of the less expensive ones seem to drag a bit, So if Microsoft can get this unit to run smoth on the less expensive phones, it will be an enticement to the purchasing public.
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Bad comparison
Synthmeister 18th Feb 2010
Windows 7 is a good OS, but with 90% of the PC market and Office Suite
market, OEMs and consumers have no choice but to buy it when they want to a
new PC.

The mobile space is completely different. IT is usually not in charge of
purchases and the OEMs are not going to push MSoft's mobile solutions like
they are forced to push MSoft's PC solutions. Right now they are all distracted
by Android or rolling their own OS (Samsung, Rimm, Intel, Nokia and Palm) and
no one uses mobile IE except MS. Even RIM has started using webkit! Right
now the best MS can hope for is to be one of the 3 or 4 major mobile OSes left
standing in 5 years. Since they have $30 Billion in the bank, WinMo will
probably survive.
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Bad comparison
Rob.sharp@... 18th Feb 2010
"Right now they are all distracted by Android or rolling their own OS" Say what?

MS will become the new distraction once it's released!
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WinPhone7 versus Android
jimfrost 18th Feb 2010
Perhaps. I think it will be interesting to see
Microsoft compete with $0 royalties. Make no
mistake: Going with WinPhone7 will cost the
handset makers significant money, at least in
the long term. The question
is, is there enough gain versus Android (an
established player, no royalties, rapidly
growing application base) to make it worth the
money?

I very strongly suspect Microsoft is
subsidizing the initial round of devices.

jim frost
jimf@frostbytes.com
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totally wrong
Rama.NET 18th Feb 2010
Microsoft makes $15 or less on each device (at least with current Windows Mobile). for that they give complete Windows CE and Platform Builder with full support to OEMs to develop their custom extensions. On the other hand Google handovers the Android and let OEMs play with it. Why do you think LG recently signed an agreement with Microsoft to develop 50+ models in the next two years. Why would HTC still makes Windows Phones or Windows Mobile Phones even after they have signed up an agreement with Google. Why would Samsung signed as partner with Microsoft on this or Dell after having android tablet and phones announced. There is no such thing called free meals. Free means source code is free not the support.

--Ram--
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Intriguing development...but
Mythos7 18th Feb 2010
I was wondering why Microsoft was even bothering trying to maintain a presence in the mobile space. But I must admit the Windows Phone 7 stuff is quite intriguing and it appears they are throwing a ton of money and resources behind this effort. Plus there is a massive pool of .NET developers out there and if Microsoft can entice (or just blame bribe) them to start developing for it then game on.

But there is that mind share thing--they have a mighty mountain to climb and some wicked competitors that will be dropping rocks down on them as they attempt their ascent.
A platform that, combined with moonlight support, lets mobile app devs quickly build a single mobile app with a fantasic user experince for WP7 and iphone and android. You can fully expect to see all existing iphone/android apps rebuilt (much better) with Silverlight for WP7 and the majority of future iphone/android apps built first for WP7 with Silverlight, then recomiled for iphone/anrdoid with moonlight. The disparity in app store app availability will be nothing but history in a couple years.
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Two Huge Problems to overcome?
Synthmeister 18th Feb 2010
MS has two big problems with WinMo even if it is spectacular.
1. None of the OEMs are going to beat down their door for WinMo 7. Think
about it, Sony is using Android, Intel/Nokia is using MeeGo, Moto/Android,
HTC and LG are using Android, Samsung is using Bada and Palm, RIM and
Apple all have their own mobile OS. In the old days, MS got a free ride on
IBMss coattails which allowed them to monopolize the PC market. That ain't
gonna happen this time. OEMs might have lined up behind Plays-for-Sure,
but I think they will hedge their bets this time and continue to keep other OS
options open, will keep the mobile market relatively fragmented.
2. They still need to figure out how to make real money. With only 10% of the
market, $8 to $15 license fees don't cut it, especially when Apple is making
$600 per iPhone before music, movies, e-books, apps and peripherals are
counted.
3. From what I've read, WinMo 6.5 apps will not be compatible with WinMo 7
so MS will be losing that base of users like Apple did when it made the
transition from Apple II to Mac. It won't be nearly as compelling to stay with
MS if WinMo 6.5 and 7 aren't compatible. Maybe this will change next month.
4. Android and Apple keep sucking all the oxygen out of the room which is
very bad when you have less than 10% marketshare. Google partners keeps
one-upping each other with new Android phones every two weeks while
Apple has the iPad, iPhone OS 4.0 and the next gen iPhone monopolizing the
rumor mill for the next six months and the retail channel for the 6 months
following.
I'm not saying WinMo 7 won't be a success, but MS has a huge mountain to
climb. They really needed this thing two years ago.
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Read more about the announcements ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 18th Feb 2010
... because then you'd find out that Qualcomm, Asus, LG, Toshiba, HP, Dell, Garmin, HTC, Sony Ericsson are already signed up to offer devices and that AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Vodaphone and others have signed up as carriers.

Just because Dell sell PC's with Linux preinstalled doesn't mean that they can't/won't sell PC's with Windows preinstalled too.
I think the question that wasn't asked was:

"Isn't this just a warmed over 2007-era smartphone?"

I watched the demos and aside from some integration
with social services -- which you already have with
various iPhone and Android apps -- it's basically
another iPhone clone.

It strikes me that this is the phone Microsoft should
have released circa 2006, when it was releasing videos
on Surface. At that point Apple was polishing an
actual consumer product, right? But even if Microsoft
was incapable of making such a leap circa 2006, why
did it take them one to two years longer than all of
the competition -- even the competition that had to
start from scratch, like Google and Palm? Seriously,
by the time the thing ships the iPhone will have been
out there on the street for about three and a half
years.

It's clear that Microsoft's phone division needed a
complete reboot, and this is it, but they should have
been all-hands-on-deck scrambling from the moment the
iPhone was released. At this point their phones will
be the last from any manufacturer to support such an
interface, and starting from zero applications -- and
with higher royalties than options like Android -- I
think they will be hard-pressed to compete.

jim frost
jimf@frostbytes.com
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Rama.NET 18th Feb 2010
>>It's clear that Microsoft's phone division needed a
complete reboot, and this is it, but they should have
been all-hands-on-deck scrambling from the moment the
iPhone was released.
It is already been rebooted and thats why you are seeing it little late.
--Ram--
Who is drinking the Kool-Aid now? Can you imagine MS announcing Windows 7 and promoting that no XP apps will be supported? Can you imagine announcing Windows 7 and no longer allowing wallpaper or personal screen savers? Is this not what Ballmer and his buddies just did? The smart phone is evolving into a primary computing platform and Microsoft is getting excited about being less flexible? Since when are "rigid" specs something to be praised?

WinMo7 is DOA in my book. I am going to Android where what I want still matters.
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Can you imagine MS announcing Windows 7 and promoting that no XP apps will be supported?

At this point, we have nothing to go on but rumors. Microsoft hasn't actually said or "promoted" anything definite on the matter.

Can you imagine announcing Windows 7 and no longer allowing wallpaper

Microsoft hasn't said anything on that either.

However, the lock screen is customisable. Additionally, I'm quite sure I saw a Dutch article which featured WinPhone 7 phones with wallpaper behind the menu. I'll see if I can find it.

Since when are "rigid" specs something to be praised?

Um, better experience? For years Microsoft has been plagued with phones running WinMo that are too slow for it. By establishing a baseline, Microsoft a) helps the customer, since they don't get a slow phone, and b) help themselves, since most people blame WinMo for the slowness of the phone, not the manufacturer. The manufacturers can innovate or compete on top of that baseline.

They're also doing this with PCs, as I recall. This is a Good Thing.
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Be patient...
Nsaf 18th Feb 2010
Answers in due time.
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"Whether this new ecosystem can make a dent..."
matthew_maurice Updated - 18th Feb 2010
I think this will be rough on handset manufacturers, and
within a few quarters we'll see a lot fewer of them.
"Phone makers have already seen a similar combo work
just fine for AT&T with Apple."
True, but Apple controls
the software and the hardware, plus it only competes
with itself in it's ecosystem (i.e. you can only buy an
iPhone OS device made by Apple). With "a rigid hardware
spec, a UI that device makers won?t be allowed to modify,
and a Microsoft-run media ecosystem"
handset makers
will only be able to compete on secondary features and
price, further fragmenting their market if not creating a
"race to the bottom" on margins. Their strategy only works
if the OS becomes wildly popular allowing the various
OEMs to find their niches along a Windows Phone vertical,
and does anyone really think this is going to be
anywhere near as popular as the iPhone?

IMO, a smarter move would have been to allow all their
WinMo OEM agreements to expire, not license the Win
Phone 7 OS at all, contract with HTC to make a device
or devices, and retail unlocked Microsoft Phones a la Xbox.
It may not be very profitable, but it might have worked. My
bet is that in two years handset manufacturers will look
back fondly at the shafting they got from PlaysForSure.
For me the real iPhone deal-breaker is the cost. I can buy a 32GB iPod Touch for ?200 or a 32GB iPhone 3GS for ?800. You can't tell me that adding the phone functionality to an iPod costs ?600! When I can get a more capable Win Mo phone for ?500 and make it totally functional with my copy of SPB Mobile Shell then it really is a no-brainer.

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