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Sorry, Dropbox, I still don't trust you

By | October 28, 2011, 6:11am PDT

Summary: Last summer, I deleted my Dropbox account after the company admitted to a horrifying security breach. This week, I reluctantly opened a new Dropbox account. Within minutes, I received a message from Dropbox suggesting that their back-end processes are still problematic. Here’s why I’m concerned.

See update at end of post with comment from Dropbox support.

Last summer, I deleted my Dropbox account. That wasn’t something I did in anger or in haste. Instead, it was the result of a series of security failures that led me, finally, to lose my trust in Dropbox.

In that June outage, a Dropbox code update caused the security underlying the entire cloud-based file storage system to break down. For at least four hours, anyone could log into any Dropbox account using any password. Some accounts were compromised. Dropbox says the number was “fewer than a hundred,” but there’s no way to fact-check that statement.

This week, reluctantly, I created a new Dropbox account. My teammates in a new work project are using it for its convenience, and I can’t afford not to be a team player.

To set up the new account, I used Ninite to install the Dropbox app for Windows. I used a different e-mail address this time around, one that I had never used with Dropbox before. I entered my account information in the Dropbox app, including a strong password I generated using a separate app. After going through the brief configuration, I was ready to begin syncing my own files and receiving shared files from my new partners.

And then, a few minutes later, I got an e-mail from Dropbox containing this welcome message:

How cheerful! How friendly! How … wrong.

I didn’t respond to an invitation from anyone to create this account. I do not know the individual whose name is on that message. It’s a common enough name, but a thorough search of my e-mail inbox shows no such invitation (nor any other email for that matter) from anyone by that name. I have a LinkedIn connection with someone by the same name, but we’ve never exchanged email and we don’t know each other in real life.

So, did this individual get a corresponding email message from Dropbox announcing that I had just accepted his invitation? Probably.

And that concerns me.

Dropbox uses a referral model to grow. If you send invitations to your friends and they create new Dropbox accounts, you get additional free storage space. There’s nothing wrong with that business model, but if you’re going to use a social strategy to grow a service that depends on secure file transfers, you had better have your back-end processes buttoned down.

And Dropbox doesn’t. Somewhere on their back end, their systems got confused. What else on the Dropbox back end is confused? I have no way of knowing.

When I dropped Dropbox in July, I quoted a post from the Dropbox CTO, who said, “This should never have happened. We are scrutinizing our controls and we will be implementing additional safeguards to prevent this from happening again.” My response?

It’s going to take more than just promises of “additional safeguards” to erase the doubt that a mistake like this inspires. At the very minimum, Dropbox needs to have a thorough security audit from an independent group to ensure that it has the processes in place to back up those promises.

I see no indication that the necessary security audit ever happened.

A message I sent to Dropbox support yesterday asking for an explanation of the mysterious email has gone unanswered. It has not even been acknowledged.

This is not how a trustworthy company operates.

Because my new teammates use Dropbox, I don’t have the option to quit using the service. But you can bet I will be extremely careful with it, and I certainly won’t share or sync anything that is remotely confidential.

Update, 28-Oct 9:00 AM Pacific. After almost exactly 24 hours, Dropbox support responded to my support request with the following note:

Hi Ed,

The reason you received that referral email is because someone invited your email address to Dropbox at some point in the past. Even if the invitation didn’t make it to you, the system remembered the referral and awarded you and the person who referred you the extra space.

Even if you don’t know the person, this does not expose any of your files or information to the inviter.

I am not reassured, especially when the original e-mail specifically said I had “accepted — —’s invitation.” I didn’t, and as the support agent notes, anyone can “invite” anyone else.

As a test, I just “invited” myself to join Dropbox, using a clean email address I set up recently. Without ever seeing the email invitation, I then used that address to set up a Dropbox account. Sure enough, I was immediately notified that the new account had been set up using that address, even though I never authorized the use of my name or responded to the invitation.

As I said earlier, I want to believe Dropbox when they tell me my files are perfectly safe, but this is just an unacceptably sloppy part of the initial sign-up workflow.

Update 2: In response to comments in the Talkback section below, I contacted Ninite co-founder Patrick Swieskowski, who confirms that Ninite does not use affiliate codes with Dropbox: “Ninite just gets the plain installer directly from dropbox, confirms its digital signature, and runs it silently with the /S switch. There aren’t any affiliate codes or anything like that.” 

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Enterprise Dropbox
nxb3942 29th Mar
Consumer dropbox solutions are convenient but lack necessary security for businesses and enterprises. Michael Osterman, President of Osterman Research, discusses this topic.
http://www.thruinc.com/resources/news-room/041912_webcast/
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I think Dropbox's referral system, like many others, uses a cookie system to track referrals, with cookies sometimes lasting a year or even more. You may have been tricked into clicking on a Dropbox referral link from this individual on that same PC at some point and now that you've gone back to Dropbox and signed up, it saw the cookie and gave him credit for the signup. It still isn't right since you are unaware that it even happened, but at least it's an explanation.
@techSage I use the much more secure SpiderOak instead of DropBox, and even I agree with you. I was trying to convince my brother to switch yesterday, saw this article, thought it would do the trick, then read it and just didn't see what the fuss was about and decided not to forward it to him. Their system matches up invited e-mails and new account e-mails... which makes sense, and isn't a security concern in any way. If anything, Mr. Bott should be happy he got an extra 250MB free! happy
Once you know the problems and the benefits you can do you compromises. People understand that and the smart ones already know that using Drop Box is very good to store stuff that is not critical to you. I agree on the fact that a online vendor that make statements must stand behind and make sure that the users understand in detail the changes that were made (I still believe that drop box did something in regards to security), in order to show improvements.
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RE: Sorry, Dropbox, I still don't trust you
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 Updated - 28th Oct
That is a pretty serious security issue. If that's on the front facing web server magine whats going on in the back end.
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That's not on a web server
Ed Bott 28th Oct
@LoverockDavidson_

It was in an email to me.
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RE: Sorry, Dropbox, I still don't trust you
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 28th Oct
@Ed Bott
My mistake
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Irrespective of how it might have happened, this is still wrong and is another indicator of the shadow world so beloved of Facebook where our information is secretly accumulated and maintained without our visibility. When my wife died in 2009, I attempted to delete her email account after a due delay. 18 months later it's still sitting there receiving mail! Not good enough for consumer confidence!
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RE: Sorry, Dropbox, I still don't trust you
michaellashinsky@... 28th Oct
@ianfos

I am sorry for your loss.
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This is proof positive against cloud computing. I said this from the beginning that I don't trust it, and this is why. I use Windows Live to sync school work between my computers, but all my important data (pictures, documents, music, etc) doesn't leave my HDDs. There's no reason I should hand over my data to others for keeping. It's not safe to do so.
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@Cylon Centurion good luck thinking that... "doesn't leave my HDD's" - um, yeah it does... and you have no control of it while it's in transit... I guarantee there's a copy of every bit of it on Live's servers somewhere...
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@NetworkPIMP The data stays on your hard drive with Dropbox too. But as Ed points out, nothing critical goes there because there's also a copy out there on the cloud where it can be accessed if there's a security breach. For collaboration on a project each collaborator (and doesn't that sound suspicious?) that can make changes, comments, etc. leaves the document different that it was when it first got there. That's the idea. When the project is done you TAKE IT OFF Dropbox for final edit.
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@NetworkPIMP

No, it doesn't. All my personal files reside locally. At no point do they travel across the Internet. It will forever remain that way too.
@NetworkPIMP
That's a good nym and defines your arrogance/gnorance well. SOME will have been exposed, but not ALL of EVERYTHING as you wish to imply with your blatherskite attitude. Perhaps in your case it's true, but you would be the exception who is weak with their security.
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RE: Sorry, Dropbox, I still don't trust you
ScorpioBlue Updated - 28th Oct
No, it doesn't. All my personal files reside locally. At no point do they travel across the Internet. It will forever remain that way too.

Uh, if you're Live synching those files, then yes they would. How do you know you're not doing that? Did you make sure? wink

And if you're really all that concerned then consider external HDs used only for storage and connected to your PC only when you need it.
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@NetworkPIMP I think the point Cylon is making is that he only puts schoolwork data on Windows Live Sync, not his personal data. If he never adds his pictures music etc to Windows Live Sync then it will never leave his hdd.
@Cylon Centurion PROOF AGAINST Cloud Computing! you are ignorant. I suppose you support Green Initiatives too and yet are probably a bit of a hypocrite if you do not support Green IT to reduce green house emissions by reducing the carbon footprint of Data Centers by moving to the cloud.
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@357_89

I'm not talking about data centers, I'm talking about Joe User's personal files. I'm talking about public sector cloud operating systems and services.

Given what Ed has written here, and in the past, and put that with Google's privacy blunders, Facebook's privacy blunders, and you'll see why I don't let any of my things leave the local network. There just isn't any reason why people should be jumping for joy when putting files out on the Internet.
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@357_89 The cloud is data centers! Where do you think the data you give them to store goes?
@Cylon Centurion ... +1! It constantly amazes me how many supposedly knolwedgeable people climb aboard thos spaghetti westerns and trust them so completely. You're absolutely right: There si absolutely NO reason to hand classified or higher rated data over to strangers for safekeeping. The old saw "If you don't want it seen by others, do NOT put it on the 'net? still applies and always will with today's structure.
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@Cylon Centurion agree. you just have think of what you put up there. I'm using Polkast: Cloud benefits, minus the cloud.

It works like this: Polkast creates a connection ??????direct cloud??? ??? that lets your mobile devices access your computers directly. When you want to access files, the service automatically detects your mobile device???s proximity to the PC and chooses the fastest route: Wi-Fi or over the Internet. Polkast then opens a secure password-protected SSL connection between the two devices, and encrypts all transmissions. No delay or storage of your files on the cloud. Very cool!!!
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Use Wuala instead.
nisdec 28th Oct
Just use Wuala instead of Dropbox as I do. All data is encrypted with 256bit AES, you have the same amount of storage as Dropbox has and the prices for more space are much cheaper. http://www.wuala.com/
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You don't get it
Ed Bott 28th Oct
@nisdec

This is not about me. It's about people I am working with on a project. THEY are the decision-makers, I am a collaborator. I have no choice but to use their solution.

I have already chosen an alternate sync solution for my personal and work files that are unrelated to this project.
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@Ed Bott So what's your sync solution?
@Ed Bott

To store a whole project in one place on an unencrypted cloud-space is just ridiculous.
But, as you said, there's nothing you can do as a collaborator. All you can do is to inform the project administrators about the risks (if they don't already know).

And Dropbox isn't the only cloud service with such big security/privacy issues:
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-monitoring-censoring-skydrive-uploads/
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If you followed the link...
Ed Bott 28th Oct
@Arttatum

Follow the link in the beginning of the post for the answer.
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@nisdec Or just use Skydrive. 25GB for free, and MS-backed security (which, unlike 10 years ago, is actually something I trust).

Encrypting data just makes it impossible for Wuala to see it. It doesn't mean that other Wuala users can't log in to your account and get the files should they have a security breach.
@spivonious

I used Skydrive until I found numerous articles about privacy issues.

The only way to get the files I have stored in Wuala, is to know my accountname and password. Even Wuala doesn't know my password, because it's encrypted and splitted into numerous chunks on different servers. That's why you are screwed if you loose your password of your account there.
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@nisdec
Or you could just encrypt your own data, knowing that it's encrypted, and then share it. At least you know that you attempted to protect your own data rather than relying on some random website to do it for you. I can encrypt/decrypt any file with AES 256 before it ever leaves my system if I was worried about someone getting access to it.
@nisdec
I completely agree with you. Best security concept EVER!
Also a lot more service like that you can CHOOSE which folder on your computer you want to sync and TIMETRAVEL.
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If I were the programmer of ninite and I would offer a service of installing programs free of charge, the least I would do is implement my own referral code into ninite. This way every installation via my programm/service does not net me money from my users but at least I get free storage for my own dropbox account. Have you checked the name?
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RE: Sorry, Dropbox, I still don't trust you
NetworkPIMP Updated - 28th Oct
If I pull up your email address from somewhere and invite you to dropbox, and that invitation email to you subsequently gets filtered on your end, and then later, you sign up under the email address I sent the invitation to (the one you never saw cuz you filtered it and it's probably deleted by this point) and the refferal is resolved at that point, and we both get our bonus space... how is that a security risk... in the end, you're the one who gave out your email address without due dilligence - how is that dropbox's fault?

calm down. jeez... slow news week?
@NetworkPIMP I use the much more secure SpiderOak instead of DropBox, and even I agree with you. I was trying to convince my brother to switch yesterday, saw this article, thought it would do the trick, then read it and just didn't see what the fuss was about and decided not to forward it to him. Their system matches up invited e-mails and new account e-mails... which makes sense, and isn't a security concern in any way. If anything, Mr. Bott should be happy he got an extra 250MB free! happy
@jgm@...

This shouldn't be so hard to get.

The idea behind a social invite to join as a way to drive up user numbers is that one would actually respond to an invite as an acceptance of the service. It seems a little bizarre that simply deciding to open an account now gets the invite bonuses simply because at one time someone sent you an invite, even if you not only didn't respond but even if you never were aware the invite was sent to you.

I think the point here is, while its not something that rises to the level of a blatant security issue, its poor administrative practice, and worse yet it seems to be flawed. It seems to be flawed in that there is no real logical connection between sending someone an unanswered email and then reaping some benefit from it when the person on their own, completely independent of any invite signs up on their own. Its not logical and it kind of reeks of the "something for nothing" circumstance we are always warned to watch out for because something for nothing is not logical and typically involves some scam. Not that this is at all a scam, I'm not suggesting that in any way. It just seems rather stupid and thats troubling, particularly in the case where Ed had security issues with Dropbox before. You hate to find yourself returning to a service like that only to find out that they appear to be still doing things that at least, without further explanation, appear to be stupid.
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@Cayble

That's a great summary. If a service is going to offer sharing security as primary benefits, they have to be attentive to these seemingly small issues. The fact that they don't seem to care suggests that management just doesn't get it.
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Storm, teacup, whatever
ego.sum.stig@... 28th Oct
And a whole heap of sugary self-importance stirred in as well.

Next you'll be telling people you've moved to iCloud, or Azure and are passionately in love with it until you have another fit of pique.
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If I were the programmer of ninite and would offer the service of installing software free of charge, the least I would do is implement my own referral code into ninite. This way each and every installation via my service would not bring money but at least some free storage to my own dropbox account... Have you checked the name?
Ed, are you sure the Ninite version of Dropbox didn't bundle the referral into the installer?
Notice this excerpt from the Ninite privacy page:
"Some apps are tagged with a Ninite affiliate key. Ninite receives a commission when users upgrade those apps. "
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I confirmed with Ninite
Ed Bott 28th Oct
@larrycl

Ninite did not add an affiliate code. See update at end of article.
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that explained how FB was using tracking cookies to generate "invitations"? Faced a court challenge over 'tampering with the mail'.
Perhaps DropBox is doing the same thing, or maybe information came from FB
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What is a good alternative?
lzcenter_z 28th Oct
Any suggestions?
@lzcenter_z

box.net

you get 5GB free
@lzcenter_z Spideroak - everything in encrypted on your end so Spideroak never sees your password and couldn't access your files even if it wanted to. There's backup, syncing and sharing abilities - including making "Share rooms" with their own RSS feeds to notify friends/family/colleagues of new/updated files. It runs on Windows, Mac and Linux, iOS and Android and there's a web client (but they don't want you to use it as you have to send your password). It compresses data, performs data deduplication, and does multiversioning of files too.
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Don't trust the cloud
GreggN 28th Oct
I took all my private files off of Dropbox for the same reason. Another shortcoming of these cloud services is that their employees have the ability to read your files or give them to the government without telling you. Now, my private data is encrypted before it leaves my system.
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a thought
bwalker 28th Oct
I'd recommend uninstalling the client and installing it on a virtual machine isolated as much as possible from your main system. I wouldn't trust their client to restrict it's activities to configured directories.
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So you used Ninite to install it vs. installing it from their website and you ***** about the result?
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@jeffw@...

I re-created the exact scenario using a copy of the Dropbox client I downloaded direct from dropbox.com, using email addresses under my control. And Dropbox support confirmed the same thing.

The issue is with Dropbox.
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sorry, but anyone that uses a freebee product sans encryption to store private data is just asking for the trouble that they will soon receive.
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RE: Sorry, Dropbox, I still don't trust you
matthewbparkssr@... 28th Oct
I tried DropBox, for I still prefer Windows Live Sync and the SkyDrive.
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matthewbparkssr@... 28th Oct
I still think that Windows Live SkyDrive combined with Windows Live Sync are a better solution. The amount of space (25 GB) for free and the Windows Live Apps integration have me on lock hands down.
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I'm in it for the redundancy it provides, and for the convenience of accessing files from any computer and my iPhone. Jeez, it's not like I'm storing state secrets on the thing! I personally think you IT guys are way too hung up about security. happy
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Enterprise Dropbox
nxb3942 29th Mar
Consumer dropbox solutions are convenient but lack necessary security for businesses and enterprises. Michael Osterman, President of Osterman Research, discusses this topic.
http://www.thruinc.com/resources/news-room/041912_webcast/

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