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Vista Mythbusters #1: It's not a hardware hog

By | August 30, 2006, 10:56am PDT

Summary: I’m continually amazed at just how much misinformation is out there when it comes to Windows Vista. Between Microsoft’s confusing messages and a committed anti-Microsoft crowd, how do you get the facts? Start here. This is the first in a series of myth-busting posts designed to help the Windows community make sense of the Vista landscape.

I’m continually amazed at just how much misinformation is out there when it comes to Windows Vista. Part of it, of course, is Microsoft’s fault. They’ve split the product into multiple versions, added and removed features, and generally done a terrible job of articulating why this actually will be a desirable upgrade for most people.

Oh, and there’s a large and vocal anti-Microsoft contingent that is only too eager to spread FUD if it will help their cause.

So, in the spirit of helping the community of Windows users make sense of the Vista landscape, I’m going to present a series of 10 myth-busting posts over the next two weeks. This is number 1:

Myth: You’ll need to spend a small fortune on hardware upgrades to run Windows Vista.

Reality: Most mid-range and high-end computers sold in the past three years will run Windows Vista just fine.

If you bought a bottom-of-the-line, loss leader system in 2004, you may find it unacceptably slow. But any mainstream system purchased after early 2004 should be just fine with Windows Vista. Here’s a case in point:

The system I’m using to write this post is running the most recent build of Windows Vista. It’s a Dell 8300, originally purchased in March 2004. It wasn’t the top of Dell’s line then, nor was it particularly expensive. Here’s a list of system specs:

Hard disk: Hitachi Deskstar HDS722516VLSA80 SATA150 drive, 160GB

CPU: 3.2GHz Pentium 4, Northwood

Memory: 2GB (four 512MB DDR-PC2700 DIMMs, upgraded from original 512MB configuration)

Display adapter: ATI Radeon 9600, 256MB, AGP8X (upgraded from original Nvidia 128MB card)

Optical media: DVD+RW

As you can see, I upgraded the RAM and the display adapter at the time I purchased the system (it was cheaper to buy these upgraded from a third party than from Dell). Here’s what Windows Vista’s System Assessment Tool thinks of the system (all ratings on a scale of 1.0 to 5.9):

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The processor rates a 4.3, the memory is an excellent 4.8, the primary hard disk is rated 5.2. Only the graphic subsystem comes in a little on the light side. That might be relevant for a gamer’s PC, but I’m using it for mainstream business productivity and entertainment apps, and this system delivers the full Aero interface with no compromises. Performance is excellent across the board. I used the built-in DVD Maker program over the weekend to encode some recorded TV shows to DVD, and it worked just fine.

What if I had stuck with the stock configuration? That original RAM configuration of 512MB would be OK with Vista, but 1GB would be better and 2GB would be optimal. Today, I could upgrade the RAM for about $50 per 512MB, using top-quality parts. So call it $50 for the bump to 1GB.

Video cards with the same relative specs as that ATI Radeon 9600 AGP card are currently going for just under $100. But I don’t think the upgrade would be necessary. For another system, I purchased an Nvidia Geforce 6200 card with 128MB of RAM. It gets identical performance scores from the Windows Vista benchmarking tool, and it performs superbly with the full Aero interface, DVDs, and other video playback tasks. If I were a hardcore gamer, I would want something much more muscular, but of course I would have done that long ago and it wouldn’t be an upgrade issue.

Total upgrade cost? $50 for some extra RAM, and maybe another $50-100 for a new video card if I feel like splurging. With those minor tweaks, this system, which will be three years old when Windows Vista is selling in stores, will be running exceptionally well.

I’ve tried Windows Vista on systems that are considerably older than this one, with equally good results. For instance, I have one 2002-vintage system with similar upgrades (including a new CPU) that is running Windows Vista Ultimate Edition with the full Aero interface just fine.

So, is Vista a hardware hog? Nope. Not at all.

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RE: Vista Mythbusters #1: It's not a hardware hog
beijing2008 14th Sep
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Laptop owners are out of luck
ash73 30th Aug 2006
Too bad you can't upgrade your video card in a laptop. Sounds like I need to buy a whole new system just to run Vista.
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Depends on how important Aero is
Ed Bott 30th Aug 2006
It should run fine on most notebooks sold after early 2005, if you choose not to use the whizzy Aero effects.
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But Ed
Linux User 147560 30th Aug 2006
All the "whizzy" effects can be done NOW with Mac on lesser hardware and even Linux. I have an AMD Duron 1.2GHz system with a 64MB AGP8 G-Force 440MX graphics card and 1GB of PC2700 RAM... and using the XGL / Compris system I get all those "whizzy" effects just fine! And I run KDE with a lot of eye candy.

Same is true of my Toshiba A15-S129 Satellite 2.4GHz 1GB PC2700 RAM with 32MB shared video (3D capable). Again I am running OpenSuSE 10.1 with XGL and compris enabled and I have all sorts of cool "whizzy" effects.

The question is if Linux can do it and even the Macs, why can't Windows? Why can't they give the user the "whizzy" without high end hardware?

Oh and both these systems operate just fine. And in many cases as fast or faster than their Windows XP counter parts on more powerful hardware. The only place Windows spanks my Linux systems is on the boot... but then I never shut down so that is a non-issue. devil
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You'll still get whizzy effects
Ed Bott 30th Aug 2006
There's lots of visual glitz and flash in Vista without the full Aero interface. But you haven't seen it, so you make assumptions that aren't correct.
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But Aero
Michael Kelly 30th Aug 2006
is supposed to be more than just the glitz, the glitz is only an example of what it can do. The real stuff Aero is capable of doing won't be seen until applications are written for Aero. But if those apps are written within the next year or so, then people who can't run full Aero will lose functionality.

Now more apps need to be written for XGL as well. In fact the windows manager compiz is the only one I am aware of, although it's possible that some of the replacement taskbars that resemble OS X for the KDE platform need XGL as well, but I am not sure of that. But anyway my point is that the lesser computers that can run compiz on XGL or AIGLX will be able to run other apps that run XGL if and when they come out, whereas those that do not run full Aero will be at a handicap when apps start requiring Aero for full functionality.
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... outperforms a Mac or Linux is on boot up is just that an impression. In this case a wrong impression.
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so word...
Scott W 30th Aug 2006
... loads up in 1.5 seconds? windows gives me lower ping times when playing Counter Strike?
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Whiney MAC guys
Joe Donovan 31st Aug 2006
Why do folks feel obligated to interject inane Mac and Linux stuff in every single discussion regarding Windows?

It has to be the tech equivalent of penis envy.

Joe
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It's exasperation
frgough 31st Aug 2006
At Windows users getting all excited at the thought that they are
getting something new.

It's the same motivation that prompts decent people to tell
someone they see buying something that they can get a better deal
at a different store.

Only, unlike a normal person who puts their product back on the
shelf and thanks you for the tip, Windows users insult you.
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Bingo!
Linux User 147560 31st Aug 2006
Well said! devil
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I see far more ...
mwagner@... 1st Sep 2006
... insulting commonets from Linux guys than I do from either Widnows guys or Mac or UNIX guys. Somehow open source ie supposed to be morally superior!
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Funny that in all the years I have been working with and in the computer industry, I have never heard any windows user hop up an a soapbox and rant at a linux or mac user that they needed to change. Conversely, its the rare mac user (and often linux) that doesn't keep a cork in while "helping" with his 2 cents of opinion... even if the topic has nothing to do with them!
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What else is there besides Aero?
Patrick Jones 30th Aug 2006
Everything I have read really points to that and the "user sandbox" being the only things new to Vista. Everything else seems to be either removed or just "meh."
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that's the thing
Scott W 30th Aug 2006
MS recommend more than 64MB VRAM, my 6600 has exactly 64MB VRAM. it can run Quake 4 just fine, but will it run aero and quake 4? MS say no.
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The computer I've been testing Vista on has 512 MB of RAM, but just 64 MB of VRAM. It runs the DWM and Aero Glass just fine. I am running at 1024x768, so that makes a difference. I probably would run into problems if I tried to increase the resolution much higher.
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Running Aero
A.Sinic 1st Sep 2006
I seem to have Aero Glass working fine at 1440 x 900 resolution on my (2004 vintage) Acer laptop, which has Radeon X600 64MB VRAM.

The weak spot on my system is memory access speed, which keeps my rating down to 1.7, but Aero doesn't seem bothered by it.
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...is that running Aero will take away from the performance of other graphics apps. Vista automatically turns off Aero when you launch a fullscreen 3D app, so it doesn't suck resources away from them.
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Don't Sweat it
A contractor 31st Aug 2006
Just run what you have on the laptop. Must LT are useless after 3-4 years anyway for a serious computing person. A motherboard or something usually dies and it is better to just upgrade then.

Anyone who seriously thinks they can run an LT as long as a desktop hasn't been around for very long.
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Really?
Linux User 147560 31st Aug 2006
Then wanna explain how and why many of the UC's are still running old laptops, some as old as 486DX-66 with Windows 3.1 on them? Or P1 caliber laptops running Windows 95? And how about them 500MHz Dell notebooks. Do a Google and you will see that there are a lot of older laptops out there, still running and obviously doing what they need to! devil
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That's mainly becuase ...
mwagner@... 1st Sep 2006
... laptop technology lags the price-performance of desktop technology. Midrange dekstops are running $500-$800. A similar laptop comes in at $900-$1200. Still in order to preserve battery life, that laptop will be running a Pentium-M at half the speed and have half the hard drive space (and access times) and it will have limited graphics. Further, desktop systems are easily upgraded during their lifecycle -- laptops are not.
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I run Beta 2 on a Toshiba laptop and it runs fine. (I have 128MB video and 512MB RAM). It runs no slower than XP TabletPC.
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if yall can bust a problem that would help
deltafire006@... 6th Jul 2007
my vista says it needs more space to install but there 68 gis of space i am useing ubuntu 7.04 and wine ti install it works fine but i just says thats the only problem...anything
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Strange definition
Robert Crocker 30th Aug 2006
So to run it well you may have to buy more RAM and a graphics card, but it's not a hardware hog?

Think of all the home boxes out there that are 512 MB with shared video RAM. So you bought a box for $350-$500 and now you're looking at $150 in hardware upgrades and $100+ for the new OS?

Do you really think people are going to upgrade looking at those costs?
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Definition
Ed Bott 30th Aug 2006
Any $350 or $400 box built this year should run Vista just great.

If you bought or built a $350-400 box in 2004, you were getting the bottom of the barrel, using 2002-2003 technology. That's why I said specifically "mid-range and higher systems."
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Nonsense
CommSoft 15th Sep 2006
I bought a new state of the art Centrino TabletPC in 2005, which has 512MB RAM and 32MB dedicated VRAM, and the MS Vista benchmarker indicates it is not suitable for Aero... not a hardware hog? It is as far as I can tell.

My machine is only one year old, uses non-integrated graphics, and runs XP Tablet PC like a champ, but according to Microsoft it's insufficiently equipped for the new OS.

As a previous author commented, if you have to upgrade your graphics card and memory to run the new system, that's hardly an indicator of low requirements, and most of the PC buyers I know are buying laptops these days, not desktops, so upgrading the graphics card is often a non-starter.
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I agree
citizensagainst@... 30th Aug 2006
How does this blog post disspell any myth about Vista being a hardware hog?

Just yesterday (with Vista becoming available on Amazon) I looked at what it would be worth for me to upgrade. I'm running on 512 megs of ram right now, which isn't enough for XP but I'm buying a Mac next year so I don't feel like plugging more into there. However, I do want Vista at home. I'd have to spend about $300 total and because I have a laptop, it might not even be possible. Looks like no Vista for me, and this article proved it instead of disproving it.
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512MB not enough for XP?
Ed Bott 30th Aug 2006
Are you serious? XP runs very well on 512MB. Vista will, too, as long as you're not trying to do too much (and you can actually do quite a bit in 512MB on recent builds of Vista).
and I think the same is true for OSX. You NEED 1 gig of ram for OSX, period.

Linux, KDE has become quite fat and slow, so you probably need the same sort of hardware. In any case, lets be realistic, Joe Sixpack will just get Windows, and will never get Linux.

I know Linux and Unix very well, but I can see clearly that Desktop penetration has totally failed for Linux, and moreover, I think it will never succeed, so why talk about it as an alternative. It isn't. Reactos could be, but most people will buy Microsoft products because they are actually great products.
The days of windows being a virus magnet are long gone, and many products like visual studio, project, have always been stunningly good. The latest versions of Office, and Windows Server are also amazingly good, and blow away all competition. Unless you've tried these and seen their relative performance, you won't know what I'm talking about here.
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That's exactly what I said
Ed Bott 30th Aug 2006
512MB acceptable, much better with 1GB or even 2GB. The same is true of any mainstream OS today.
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So at the thin end, it's fine.
I think people are having a tough time with all the choice Vista is giving them.

To summarise.
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With Aero (lovely 3d see through graphics) 1 gig system ram, hot graphics card, 2 GHz Processor.

Without Aero (still a great system) 512meg RAM, any graphics card, 1.4GHz processor.

so Ed Bott is right.
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4 months old and inadequate!
macbill 15th Sep 2006
My Dell GX620 fails the test (the MS test to check for compatibility). New in June, too puny in September. Joy! I need another 512k of RAM and a new hard drive. Dell's dtock spec "schoo;" model can't handle Vista - but works fine w/XP Pro. I should upgrade...WHY??? MS screws us again - w/help from Dell.
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why did Dell go to AMD!!!
loydc1@... 15th Sep 2006
Which type Intel D Processor is in your Dell GX620? I have a ABIT KN8 ULTAR, AMD 4400+X2, 2Gig Mem, ATI 1600 Pro w/512MB, ATI HDTV turner, KWORLD AST-110 AND PowerColor Theater 550Pro. I am running Windows Vista Ultimate 64Bit no problems. I also know of a HP Notebook running
Windows Vista 32Bit just fine on 512MB Mem AMD 3500+ w/ATI 200 express motherboard.
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The days of....
cashaww 2nd Sep 2006
long gone? What days are you living in? Microsoft products
great? Just because something sells well, or is popular, does not
mean it is great. There are many reasons something sells well.
1) people may not know of an alternitive, 2) a captive audience.
Meaning people purchase a product, and another product is
piggybacked. Computer hardware comes to mind, with
Microsoft piggybacked. 3) FUD against another product. I have
yet to run into anyone, except gamers, who would turn down a
Mac over Windows ones you point out that Macs are not that
much more expensive.
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its not
Stuka 30th Aug 2006
I have 512MB on my XP Pro laptop here, and its a dog. Its constantly swaping to disk. And generally all that I have running on this machine in thunderbird, firefox, and one or two other apps (either capture (schematic layout app) or something similar). Even with just firefox and thunderbird running very little ram is available.
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512 is plenty
beingkj 30th Aug 2006
Wow, there might be something quite wrong with your computer. My desktop with 512MB RAM, shared with graphics, is quite speedy even when running firefox, a selection of MS products, and the memory heavy Paint Shop Pro. I mean, it's probably not enough for avid gamers, but it's ample for the work it does.
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... open source applications.
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Your problem is FF, a well known memory hog.
mustangj36@... 31st Aug 2006
nt
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Is it?
voska 31st Aug 2006
I run FireFox on my Windows 2000 box and I only 512MBs of RAM. I'm no where close to running out of RAM. So I don't think it's Firefox that's the problem there.

Now Spyware, that can kill you for RAM.
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It is if you use too many tabs...
iiq374 6th Sep 2006
If you start running lots of tabs particularly while visiting sites heavy in javascript then FireFox is memory hog.

Still doesn't make me want to switch to IE though grin
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You have a problem
A.Sinic 1st Sep 2006
512 is oodles. You may have a fragmented or overstuffed disk, or somethingelse giving grief. I suggest you try ASO or some other systems cleanup tool.
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RE: 512 MB not enough for XP?
Herb3 2nd Sep 2006
It depends on what you are doing...

I spend most of my time running these 4 applications: Windows Explorer, Outlook, Internet Explorer and Visual Studio 2005. That combination performs poorly with 512 MB and dies when a 5th application is opened on Windows XP.

Upgrading my computer to 1 GB RAM made a huge improvement. But on Vista, I was back to the performance I had with XP and 512 MB RAM. I had to upgrade to 2 GB RAM to make the system run well.

This problem is not limited to developers who run Visual Studio. Lots of people use graphics software that is equally as demanding.

My experience is that you need 2 GB of RAM on Vista to do serious work.

For reference purposes, here is a description of my computer. Pentium 4 Northwood, 2.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 2 WD 120 GB IDE hard drives, Radeon X1300 graphics. (The only things I upgraded for Vista were the RAM and the graphics adaptor--cost about $250). My computer rates 3.8 in build 5536.
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Hmmm, call me old school
maldain 11th Sep 2006
But an OS shouldn't require more than a few megabytes of memory at most to run. Good Grief, Vista runs well in 512mb as long as you don't like try to run an application. Sorry but you've fallen into the systems programmer trap of thinking the OS is the only thing the computer is for. The OS is a means for the user to communicate with the computer. Not the end all be all of computing. XP was a fair OS but it was and is a machine hog. And sadly it looks like Vista is going to be worse.
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Memory Requirements
Russedl 1st Sep 2006
I am running Vista on a machine w/ 512 MB RAM and it runs just fine - even when multitasking. Sure sometimes it slows down a little bit, but so does my XP. The video card is optional and only required if you want to use Aero. There are many other reasons to purchase Vista.
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Buying a Mac??
ericseba 10th Feb 2007
Your'e buying a Mac and concerned about putting $300.00 into a laptop to run Vista??

If you can afford a Mac, the idea that you can't afford to upgrade a pc is silly.
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512 MB with shared video RAM?
Michael Kelly 30th Aug 2006
Heck, some systems on sale now come with 256 MB with shared video RAM.

http://tinyurl.com/g9cs2
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Is that URL correct?
Wolfie2K3 1st Sep 2006
Heck, some systems on sale now come with 256 MB with shared video RAM.

http://tinyurl.com/g9cs2


Er.. Your link is for an eMachines Celery POS bottom feeding junk heap...

And I quote from the relevant portion of the computer's description:

ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 chipset with integrated ATI RADEON X300-based graphics with PCI Express x16 expansion slot and up to 32MB shared video memory; 5.1-channel support (6-speaker sound)

32 MB is hardly anywhere close to 256...
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Yes
quantumstate 16th Sep 2006
He was referring to the 256mb of RAM.
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Yeah, they will...
ajole 30th Aug 2006
especially when they realize that the $100 in video card means they can run $30 PC games instead of $50 console games.

Not to mention all the Media center stuff that will hit as well.

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