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Why do people fall for Trojans?

By | August 10, 2011, 3:00am PDT

Summary: Out in the physical world, crime happens every day. People get robbed and have their pockets picked, and no one blames the victim. So why do the rules change when nontechnical PC users fall for a Trojan online?

The story of the Trojan Horse is one of the most enduring in human history. The original events took place thousands of years ago, and yet here in the 21st Century even little children know this classic tale. The Greeks built a giant wooden horse and filled it with the Bronze Age equivalent of Navy SEALs, and then fooled the Trojans into wheeling the gift horse inside their gates. After dark, the hidden army emerged and Troy was sacked.

Why has this tale been passed down for so many generations? Because it describes one of the core truths of human behavior: The world has never been short of liars and thieves, and they do their best to live undetected among honest people.

People get ripped off in the physical world all the time. You can get mugged on the street or have your pocket picked in the subway in any big city, anywhere in the world. If one of those unfortunate things happens to you, no one will tell you it’s your own damn fault.

And yet I hear that response regularly when people get fooled online by 21st Century Trojans. Anyone who would fall for that is lazy and stupid. They lack common sense. They should have their computing license revoked until they can pass an IQ test.

Here’s the trouble with that line of thinking. Modern computing is complicated. Even seemingly straightforward acts of online commerce involve many steps, with many trust decisions along the way. I thought about that today when I purchased and downloaded a new software package online.

What was remarkable about this process for me was how closely it paralleled the experience I’ve seen with malware in the wild every day.

The bad guys have done a thorough job of replicating this intricate experience, with the explicit goal of making a dishonest product look legit. That’s why they call the end product a Trojan.

Here, let me walk you through the process I went through today with a legitimate vendor and point out all the places where I had to call on my technical experience to make a decision.

I learned about the sale via social media.

That’s right, I clicked a shortened ow.ly link that I found on Twitter, from someone I sorta know and kinda trust. (I could just as easily have gotten the link from an e-mail or from an ad on a web page.) That tweet alerted me to a one-day sale by Adobe, which was offering the full version of Photoshop Lightroom 3 for $149, or half off the normal price.

The full link resolved to a long and very complicated URL that was more than 100 characters long. Here’s all I could see in the Chrome address bar.

When I did some comparison shopping using search engines to determine whether this was a good deal, I was exposed to all sorts of ads that ostensibly led to irresistible deals. In most cases, the link for the ad was heavily obscured, with hundreds and hundreds of characters. Clicking those links invariably redirected me between sites using scripts that ran faster than my eye could see.

Evaluating any of those URLs takes at least intermediate technical skill. Normal human beings aren’t trained to do that reliably. And that was just the start. See page 2 for the long list of decisions I still had to make.

Update: In the Talkback section, tdogg219 offers an excellent example of why URLs are so difficult to decipher:

Take a look at the link from Ed’s images:

https: //store1.adobe.com/cfusion/…

The initial “store1″ portion of it would tweak my interest as possible bad, but it’s legitimate. suppose that the link was:

https: //store.adobe1.com/cfusion/…

Change one character and this is now a non-legitimate url. How on EARTH would you expect your mother/grandmother, etc. to notice this subtle change… This is why social engineering works and was the point behind the article. It is time to blame the criminals and look to a more comprehensive solution rather than assuming that everyone that falls prey is an idiot. My 2 cents.

I believe that was worth much more than 2 cents. Thanks, - Ed

Page 2: Can you tell real from fake? –>

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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
dgeiser13 14th Sep
Hey, Ed, et.al.
I agree with the both the initial thrust of this article and also the more detailed analysis. But back to the initial thrust...

If my parents go to New York City and end up in a "bad" part of town they may get robbed. I think at first blush most people agree that indeed the robbers are criminals and are at fault here. Some may say my parents could've been more observant and avoided this by being more observant and not ending up in the "bad" part of town. Some may cluelessly say that it's their "fault" they got robbed but I think the bulk of people would say that those who robbed them are the bad guys here.

But if newbies on the Internet are not observant and end up in a "bad" part of the Internet or even have a bad interaction in an assumed "good" part of the Internet then it seems like we are much quicker to blame them for their difficulties. Perhaps we should be a little more understanding.

One major problem with the Internet is that the good parts and the bad parts can be blended seemlessly. No one in the real would be walking down a city block and suddenly for the next 12 or 15 steps they are mysteriously transported into a "bad" part of town where they basically have to ignore the normal trappings of a nicer part of town until they take 1...more...step, and finally they are back in the "nice" part of town.

And the concept of the "bad" part of town has been around much longer than the "bad" part of the Internet and yet people still wander into the "bad" part of town.

I think we need to move the pointer more towards it being a little more of the responsibility of those are skilled enough to recognize the difference and make the tools and experiences and UI elements that keep people from encountering the "bad" parts of the Internet. I'm not saying that people are not responsible for their own actions. But we are the IT professionals here.

I think this is just my way of saying that we all should be a little more understanding of the predicaments that people find themselves in before you start casting expursions at stupid users and clueless newbies. Just because you hold the upper hand in knowledge doesn't mean you hold the upper hand across the board.
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Great piece! I will be fun to see how the Ed Bott haters twist this one around.
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@Bill4 I'm normally one of the first to question Ed's conclusions or logic, especially regarding his opinions on things Apple. However, this piece is well thought out and logical, focusing on the underlying social engineering issue of phishing and trojans rather than his occasional chicken little Apple piece.
Taking issue with a writer's, especially a tech writer, isn't flaming, it's engagement in conversation, debate. I never engage in ad hominem attack. I respect Ed as an experienced writer and informed tech person. That doesn't mean we have to agree on all things. It does mean that the conversation remain civil and respectful.
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@dheady@... Samsung Galaxy Tab - Germany. Four words that should clarify that praising Apple is as foolish as condemning it.
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
HappyXWindowsUser 10th Aug
@dheady@...

I agree. Trojans can dupe any user on any operating system and, if they're updated enough to keep ahead of antivirus software and OS updates, they are almost impossible to beat via technical means. Knowledge is the only real defense.
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@Bill4 I'm not an Ed hater, but I don't agree with him. Comparing downloading a Trojan to getting mugged is not a good comparison.

Comparing downloading a Trojan to playing a street-side Shell Game is...it is all about choice. Those who get scammed choose to do so.
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i8thecat3 Updated - 15th Aug
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@keitha73

I quote: "Those who get scammed choose to do so."

Leads me to believe you have missed the point of the article.

Getting scammed isn't a choice, people get tricked; and Ed has just pointed out some of the ways that can happen.
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@keitha73 ... No, they do not "choose to do so". They are simply newbies most of the time and those who are not yet aware of the dangers of the 'net (education).

It's too bad you have to little empathy and no memory of your early days nor when youe ego burst.
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Good article
Tom6 10th Aug
One thing that might significantly reduce the risks would be the repositories idea used in Gnu&Linux. That and the "Package Manager" idea. Some software never makes it into the repos and so is not available through the package manager which instantly creates questions as to how viable the software is.

For odd little apps or games it would make some sense but i would be wary. For something like Flash Player or FireFox i would be extremely suspicious if told to install from some random site even if it appeared to look like the right website.

Regards from
Tom happy
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
windozefreak 10th Aug
@Tom6
Yes; I agree that is one way!

@i8thecatIII:
"Stupid people" and "bad part of town": I know of a few people who were mugged outside a police station! Just for your edification!!!
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
Ruthanne Williams Roussel 10th Aug
@Bill4 While I understand that techies may wonder "Why do people fall for Trojans?" and the like, the rest of us are wondering, "Why can't Adobe, Macromedia and all the rest design software that does not interrupt me with so many demands for upgrades that I constantly have to choose between accepting upgrades that I don't really trust, and getting slowed down by the constant pinging requests?" Also, why would anyone think that problem (which as far as I can see is close to a root problem) is limited to one operating system?
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
erik.soderquist 10th Aug
@Ruthanne Williams Roussel

mostly because that one operating system is the dominant one.

Apple users, though their numbers are growing, are still a minority

users of something other than Windows or Mac OSX are generally more technical users to begin with
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@Bill4 Good indeed. Thanks Ed.
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cultural differences
Tom6 Updated - 10th Aug
Hi
Actually in my culture if someone did get mugged we do tend to blame them for "flashing their cash".

If someone new appears and seems unaware of "being flashy" then people usually warn them or show them little tricks to avoid it.

If they continue to wear cameras around their necks or some similar stupidity then they are considered a fool and therefore fair game.

Regards from
Tom
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
PollyProteus 10th Aug
@Tom6 - So what you're saying is that just because a tourist has a camera around their neck and they keep it out so they can take photos more easily, they DESERVE to be mugged?

I'm glad I don't live where you do, if I saw someone trying to rip off a tourist, I'd make sure that the criminal got a butt load of hurt (as an object lesson of course) *and* the tourist would get their stuff back.
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Why do people fall for Trojans. Good question and easy answer.

Greed combined with just the requisite blend of stupidity.

I agree and totally understand what Ed's point is here, that the uneducated who casually walk into any scenario they don't understand or suspect, there is no simple or easy way for them to become aware that they are on the ?event horizon? of the whirlpool in the toilet bowl and if they dint back out quick they will go down the drain with the rest of the waste before they know what hit them.

It?s a fact, and one thats relatively easily avoided, but not without some genuine education. I would have berated Ed a little about the fact that he would have done a far greater community service by posting a strongly worded EDucational post about how to avoid this kind of problem instead of an explanation as to the how?s and why?s people get sucked down this drain, but as Ed is posting on ZDNet, I seriously expect he is working from the premise that most ZDNet readers know the simple basics of how to avoid this mess, but in fact most ZDNet readers are probably at a loss as to how so many people get sucked into this Trojan nonsense. Because it is nonsense.

In the final analysis, what we really really need is some media outlets out there, like popular television magazine programs, some newspapers and whatever other media outlets that have a broad viewership or readership to get the message out there. I work in a professional field where the issue of internet scams raises its ugly head from time to time, and I am almost left breathless and ashamed that so many people in the human race in this day and age can allow themselves to be sucked into this crap. I have seen evidence, as an absolute fact that even the victims of these schemes can become criminals almost without their own knowledge because they allow sheer stupidity and greed to suck them into an activity which has criminal ramifications.

All we need is for someone, somewhere with a very loud voice to get the message out there far above and beyond the halfassed way we have been doing things up to now. And the message is "if it?s too good to be true it?s not true, nobody does something for nothing, buyer beware, and finally; someone who has a legitimate deal to offer you will try to make the deal with you as quick, easy and painless as possible, they will NEVER EVER steer you through a complex maze you can get lost in because it interferes with their ability to close the good deal and make their legitimate money".

Someone who has a loud voice needs to tell the world, WAKE UP. Why would someone want you to take money from their hands for no rational reason. Why would you not at least USE the internet to investigate questionable matters when you are already on the computer getting the questionable offer or message??

People do love to believe they have found the fountain of youth or discovered the road to easy riches, yet they seem to all too quickly forget that if that discovery is coming by way of internet, its absolutely incomprehensible to understand how YOU got this special deal or info when multiple hundreds of millions around the world didn?t?

We do live in a new world, but it?s a new world that?s been around for a fairly long time now and quite frankly, its time someone woke the sleepy human race up to the very very simple realities of internet security, but so far nobody seems too interested in actually saying it in the very very strong language that?s needed to get through the common mans head.
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@Cayble "Greed combined with just the requisite blend of stupidity."

Not stupidity, but ignorance. There is a difference.

As Ed pointed out, the way information is displayed makes it difficult for the non-technical person to make correct trust decisions.

What if you don't know that a part of town might be bad, or even moderately bad? Do you know everything about your car to prevent you from being scammed from the unscrupulous mechanic, or do you trust them to give you good advice?

The type of scams on the Internet is evolving and makes it hard for the non-techies to evolve with it while living there lives doing the stuff that they are supposed to.
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@pazmanpro
Agreed that its ignorance more often then stupidity. I actually allude to that fact in my post as I said what we need is some very strongly worded education out there about internet security. Obviously education often has little to no impact on those who insist on being stupid, so yes, I agree that ignorance is the correct word in the vast majority of cases.

Its a classic case I guess of when you know the warning signs like the back of your hand it simply appears to be stupid that so many would get caught up in as many of these Trojan scams as they do.

And admittedly, some of the tricker methods used can be fairly convincing. Its those who decide to take a trip to what appears to be a very sketchy corner of the internet to save a couple bucks on a bit of software, or think its common place for some program to jump on your hard drive all on its own and analyze it for viruses. Sometimes it just seems that people should be considering if there is something that may not be quite right.
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To be absolutely nice about this... Sometimes people do not pay attention to any details.

Study's show average human intelligence levels to be around 90-95.

Critical thinking skills come more into play once passed an average IQ. The mind questions more.

When designed to mimic the things we see most in life, the greater the risk of susceptibility.

Keeping all this in mind, why are we questioning why this works?
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@Nate_K But you also have to know WHAT to look for, and it ISN'T obvious. The language and icons are NOT well chosen (and to be charitable these messages aren't easy to phrase - but I'm sure we can do better than this).

If you don't "live and breath" computers (and you USE a computer FOR your actual passion/job) then why would you notice the colour of the shield. I mean who the heck thought a shield was a good icon (after wouldn't the presence of a shield suggest some kind of protection rather than risk?!). Why not a face? Happy meaning everything looks fine, scared meaning this looks very worrying, and pensive meaning this might be a problem. This would be FAR easier to understand.

This isn't a question of "IQ", this is knowing what to look for and the clues being too subtle, and ambiguous.

Blaming users IS the wrong approach most of the time (now sure, you go download some pirated software you really are to blame when you get yourself infected).
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
arthur_rogers90@... 10th Aug
@Jeremy-UK I wholeheartedly agree!!! 8;)
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What elitist BS
wolf_z 10th Aug
@Nate_K

Raw IQ is like having a powerful engine. But without gas that engine sits idle.

You could have an IQ of 200 and not be able to spot scams if you have no experience in the field. Ed's post is about *familiarity*, not intelligence.

Critical thinking skills have to have something to think *about*, you know. Not even Sherlock Holmes can solve a crime he didn't know was against the law...
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@wolf_z I agree and I think you're expressing Ed's point of this article. Smart people quite often do not very smart things. Several adages come to mind the first of which is "You can't cheat an honest person." Many of the phishings and trojans are framed just as Ed has indicated by appealing to the urge to get something for nothing or at the very least a deal 'too good to be true.' Keeping in mind the latter part of that last adage 'then it probably is too good to be true' would stymy most criminal activity, online or otherwise.
I get my fair share of phishing and trojan attempts but I keep a couple of things in mind. Firstly, if I don't know the author I seldom investigate further. Secondly, I don't follow 'ads' beyond reading the first email. If I get an email from 'Adobe' about a special deal, I don't follow any urls from that email. Instead I go directly to Adobe's website and see what the 'deal' is.
Those two things have kept me from any trojans or infections. Well, that and being on a Mac since '86 (ok, all who think that's a bogus argument may chime in. Facts are facts and the nearly complete absence of Mac viruses and such over the past few decades speaks for itself.)
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dheady - congratulations - it took only 8 replies to again post the mac superiority myth
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
techadmin.cc@... Updated - 11th Aug
@dheady@...

Using the adage "You can't cheat an honest person." fairly well invalidates your point, as that adage is absolutely untrue. You can certainly cheat honest people and honest and smart people are looking for deals too. Yes, many phishing and trojan attempts do sometimes offer deals that seem "too good to be true" which should be a warning sign for a smart person to pick up on but social engineering will only get better when the blatant attempts to fool the lowest common denominator become less effective.

The problem is not just with the users of the software it is with the software itself. And by software I mean Windows. I've been a computer technical consultant since the days when users seldom took on the task of installing software on their own systems. They called a consultant. Since then Microsoft has fostered an ecosystem that led users to believe that computer didn't require any specialized knowledge to own operate or administer. Remember the Dell server out of a box sales strategy where you could order a pre-configured server with all of your user accounts installed by Dell and just plug it into your network and log in? Small companies got the idea that a server required less outside maintenance than there copiers.

Microsoft has worked hard to provide near seemless interoperability between the OS layer and application layer and between applications. Now that MS does regular updating and provides AV/malware protection too, is it any wonder that the MS ecosystem has bred several generations of computer users who believe that they can click links willy nilly in their email to launch straight into the browser under the mistaken notion that the security of their computer is the responsibility of someone else.

While it is ultimately the responsibility of the user to maintain the security of their own system, Microsoft is the root of the problem of lack of security on the Windows platform because they promoted the idea that operating a computer required little knowledge of computers and provided little in the way of security controls for even the computer savy to use and designed systems where ease of use trumped sensible security measures. Microsoft was warned by security experts that many of their designs were inherently flawed from a security standpoint. Microsoft downplayed those concerns and pressed forward putting insecure products to market in spite of what, historically, has been proven not to be bad security in theory, but in practice as well.
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
Curlyett Updated - 10th Aug
@Nate_K
Um when did average IQ mean a lack of critical thinking skills? The two don't necessarily go together (look at Congress).

Anyone can be taught to think! The ability to connect abstracts is more intelligence related then basic critical thinking. Have you ever READ the Federalist Papers (which were geared toward the AVERAGE man back in the day?).

The biggest issue is not IQ but values. We are a culture looking for something for nothing and these low-lifes are preying on that, NOT our IQ's.

The cyber-victim may be blamed, in this case, because of the perception: They were seeking an cheap and easy resource or fix. Mamma always said, "Nothing in life is free".
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@Nate_K

First, "Average" intelligence presented as a score is 100 by definition. Intelligence testing becomes less valid as we age since vocabulary is the largest component being tested and vocabulary increases enormously as we gain experience. I can assure you that the dumbest person you meet is still a very smart creature. Lack of computer experience is the reason many are caught and few are caught more than once. But that leaves many, many, unsuspecting and trusting users down the primrose path to a potential bargain purchase or potentially fun opportunity. Then, they learn and become "smarter" - actually more experienced since smartness is already established long before the experience.
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
techadmin.cc@... 11th Aug
@Cole_L

Contrary to your opinion that "vocabulary increases enormously as we gain experience", the fact is, vocabulary is learned at a much faster rate up until the age of ten, then slows dramatically after that. Studies show that the average person learns over half of their working vocabulary by age ten which is around ten to fifteen thousand words. The average adult has a working vocabulary of approximately twenty thousand words.

These studies are over twenty years old and probably no longer accurately represent the average or general population, which from anecdotal evidence is likely substantially lower now.

But back on point, studies show that children learn more rapidly than adults and again from anecdotal evidence this bears to be true. From my experience as a consultant for the last 25 years I can tell you that older computer users who should be more experienced tend to make the same if not similar mistakes over and over. People tend to become creatures of habit. The older a person gets the more they depend on familiarity. They do not like change and they do not like to have to learn new things.

I was an early promoter of using an alternative browser for security measures several years before it was all over the news that IE6 was the biggest threat to computer security. Even after I had news sources like the wall street journal to back me up, it was almost impossible to get older users to stop clicking the little blue "e" to get online. Younger users were very likely to switch to an alternative browser, older users only did so after the third or fourth infection and I cannot be certain they did not revert back to using IE for casual surfing even after that. But I could always tell when they did go back to IE when they brought their system back, sometimes in less than a month, to be cleaned again.
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
moonfern Updated - 10th Aug
Maybe it's easier to download illegal but genuine software from piratebay than to download legal software using a search engine.

(see his previous post about google(download firefox) and bing (download chrome).

Because you can trusted the "trusted user" icon (the blue skull) and there's the comments system too below each torrent @ piratebay.
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@moonfern That maybe the worst advice I've ever seen.
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@Jeremy-UK
If we do this experiment:
Download 10 software packages
Method one:
Using search and clicking on the paid links
Method two:
Use piratebay and if the uploader has the blue skull icon download it.
Method three:
Use a search engine and download from the seventh link.

Which method will give you the most trojans?

I suppose we both don't have enough time to conduct the experiment but I would bet that method one: clicking on the paid links is the most dangerous method.

Don't know about the other two, but I tend to trust more community - based trust systems (piratebay ) than bots (Google).
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@Jeremy-UK Users of piratebay & other sites of these types are usually quite experienced with computer software and systems.
These sites get their funding from advertising if it were found that malware was in their downloads people would not use & they would lose money. As soon as any malware is found it is reported by user. if a few users report in short time the file link is removed. Malware distributers are in it for the money they do not want to have denial of service attacks on their sites from angry hacker types bad for business, people who use piratebay type sites would not pay for software or ever give any personal or credit card details as not buying anything, so malware from these sites would be time waste for distributer,& the experienced downloader would spot as shown immediately as well as there anti virus/malware firewall systems lighting up like a Christmas tree. Even if not detected would notice things happening or small changes so know something was up & investigate. so probably the safest download next to the manufactures site then. I do not condone these things just pointing out the pros and cons as requested by readers.
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
techadmin.cc@... 11th Aug
@Jeremy-UK

Yep, Jeremy. Moonfern and ronangel are correct, Piratebay is certainly safer for those dishonest types who don't want to get ripped off by either the manufacturer or some eastern block mafia hacker. Socially engineering by offering good deals on commercial products is how the crime is monetized. Users of Piratebay would never pull out their credit card to buy software or services online that they can download for free.
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Tommy S. Updated - 11th Aug
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@Tommy S. Ok, imagine it's your first day with some new future version of , can you still tell? How do you know that the colour of an icon is important and not the shape?

What if they started using an icon for the publisher? Seriously, imagine you've never seen these messages, still easy?

If the computer is meant to be for everyone, why do you think we all need extensive training to use each new version?! You want to be told - "oh we can't sell you Window8 because you've not been on the Windows8 training day"?

Shouldn't the computer be easy enough for Joe Shmoe to use safely without too much difficulty?
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@Jeremy-UK No, computers are not for everyone. Whats needed is an integrated sandbox for the less computer literate users. A sort of opt-in dumbed down version of the OS, with a whitelist of applications and many other restrictions. MS should push the concept of a restricted user account further.

Im on the internet since circa 1995 so I have seen a lot of scam. It never really change. A URL is a URL, read it. I never clicked on a shortened link, I did send send some before they all banned www.meatspin.com though.
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@Tommy S.Ok, imagine it's your first day with some new future version of , can you still tell? How do you know that the colour of an icon is important and not the shape?

What if they started using an icon for the publisher? Seriously, imagine you've never seen these messages, still easy?

If the computer is meant to be for everyone, why do you think we all need extensive training to use each new version?! You want to be told - "oh we can't sell you Window8 because you've not been on the Windows8 training day"?

Shouldn't the computer be easy enough for Joe Shmoe to use safely without too much difficulty?
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
Pete "athynz" Athens 10th Aug
@Tommy S. I can disprove your low IQ theory with one word: Congress.

Low computer literacy hits the nail squarely on the head. There are quite a few people with high IQs but low computer literacy and there are those with lower IQs but have high computer literacy.
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
techadmin.cc@... Updated - 11th Aug
@athynz

Couple low computer literacy with implicit trust and you have all the conditions for effective social engineering.

Jeremy-UK's sentiment "Shouldn't the computer be easy enough for Joe Shmoe to use safely without too much difficulty?" is one fostered by MS and as I stated in an earlier post is the root of the problem. Users like Jeremy-UK think that computer security should be inherent in the design and that they should not have to concern themselves with it. He is correct in theory but, just like believing that the pedestrian has the right of way and that cars should stop for you is a bad idea to try to put into practice when crossing in front of a two tons steel bearing down on you at 45 miles per hour, when using a computer that is known to not to effectively protect your security it is a bad idea to assume that your security is someone else's responsibility.

Still, the MS ecosystem will always be teaming with the computer illiterate masses who will complain about the vulnerability of their systems but will take no active role or responsibility for their own security.
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Good Article Ed..

The malware writers and scammers have done a real good job at making there tricks look legit. I can see how people can fall for such things.
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Ed Bott 10th Aug
PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

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@Ed Bott You dont have access to the banhammer?
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Ed Bott 10th Aug
@Tommy S.

As I explain over and over, I am not a moderator. I cannot edit anyone's posts but my own, and I cannot delete a post or ban a ZDNet member. I cannot look up your IP address or find out anything about your registration.

Only a moderator can do that, and ZDNet has only a handful of people with that capability.
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@Ed Bott I was unaware how the flag worked. Thanks for the information. I find ad hominem attacts particularly tiresome and offensive. I much prefer civil discourse where we may differ in our opinions but do so with respect and patience rather than rolling out insults.
By the way, this is a great piece of work and should be required reading in every venue where people are learning to use the internet. Well done Ed!
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
prof123 Updated - 10th Aug
@Ed Bott
The simplest solution would be that all installs must be digitally signed. That means that only authorized app vendors can sell software.

Is this so different from the concept that restaurants must pass a health inspection? If you eat food from a questionable place, you are at risk of food poisoning...
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
techadmin.cc@... Updated - 11th Aug
@prof123

Digital signatures are a great idea in theory but harder to put into practice in an ecosystem where minimalization of the necessity for user interaction has been the goal. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, creates situations where things like Vista's UAC system did little to prevent malware or trojans. Users got so used to seeing three or more warning/authorization windows pop up for just about any software install that they just habitually clicked right thru them.

As far as only allowing authorized app vendors to sell software, that is a bad idea that I'm sure many of the big players would love to get behind. Thanks for suggesting it. Who exactly is going to be the authority who will determine which vendors are authorized and what will be the enforcement mechanism? Law or an OS that disallows installation of unsigned apps? if it is the OS then any allowances of unsigned apps (with fair warning, of course) would create a situation where those legitimate developers, who weren't able to get authorized and receive a certificate for what ever reason, would foster a potential trust relationship where other illegitimate apps could get on to users systems thru social engineering. Efforts in this area may improve things somewhat in that legitimate "authorized" vendor's software giving warning because it lacked a valid certificate would certainly throw up a red flag, but there would still be the potential for social engineering as well as the small independent developers would be left in an environment of distrust for their offerings since they would lack authorized vendor status.

Microsoft has gone to great lengths in the past to eliminate user interaction and has shown that they cannot be entrusted with the security of the system. It started with IE's handling of ActiveX controls. MS decided that Netscape's handling of plugins could be improved upon by removing the user from the process and having a certificate system provide the security to ensure that harmful ActiveX controls weren't a security problem. In doing this, initially, the user had no way of intervening and refusing an ActiveX control. MS had literally taken control of the users PC and gave it to the web developers. After crushing the only viable competition in the browser space, little changed over the next decade and IE became the biggest security problem a PC faced. After Firefox emerged and began to take market share MS finally started to take steps to secure IE and... surprise, surprise! it involved giving control back to the user. Unfortunately, by this time, most users were untrained and unqualified to take on the responsibility of their own security. This is, in fact, what created the ecosystem we have today where the user thinks that the security of their system is the responsibility of the designer rather than their own and why UAC failed when introduced.

In a nutshell, authorized vendors is not a very good solution to the problem, nor is it likely that digital signatures will solve the problem as taking the user out of the process fosters illiteracy and leaving them in leaves illiterate users open to social engineering attacks.

There is a better solution to this problem which I have tried to avoid discussing as it always turns into a flame war when someone points out the inherent superiority of one system over someone else's darling OS...
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
LoverockDavidson 10th Aug
It comes down to education. The mere mortals you refer to do not know what to look for. Although they shouldn't be installing this and as you pointed out you are prompted twice that the file could be potentially dangerous. Still, comes down to education and the end user just doesn't know because they weren't told what to look for.
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RE: Why do people fall for Trojans?
Pete "athynz" Athens 10th Aug
@LoverockDavidson Well said. I suppose those novice users could attempt some research but then again they might not know where to begin or have a reason to until something bites them in the rear end.
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ipawd69 10th Aug
Next post please! i find your articles always to interest me.
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Hey, Ed, et.al.
I agree with the both the initial thrust of this article and also the more detailed analysis. But back to the initial thrust...

If my parents go to New York City and end up in a "bad" part of town they may get robbed. I think at first blush most people agree that indeed the robbers are criminals and are at fault here. Some may say my parents could've been more observant and avoided this by being more observant and not ending up in the "bad" part of town. Some may cluelessly say that it's their "fault" they got robbed but I think the bulk of people would say that those who robbed them are the bad guys here.

But if newbies on the Internet are not observant and end up in a "bad" part of the Internet or even have a bad interaction in an assumed "good" part of the Internet then it seems like we are much quicker to blame them for their difficulties. Perhaps we should be a little more understanding.

One major problem with the Internet is that the good parts and the bad parts can be blended seemlessly. No one in the real would be walking down a city block and suddenly for the next 12 or 15 steps they are mysteriously transported into a "bad" part of town where they basically have to ignore the normal trappings of a nicer part of town until they take 1...more...step, and finally they are back in the "nice" part of town.

And the concept of the "bad" part of town has been around much longer than the "bad" part of the Internet and yet people still wander into the "bad" part of town.

I think we need to move the pointer more towards it being a little more of the responsibility of those are skilled enough to recognize the difference and make the tools and experiences and UI elements that keep people from encountering the "bad" parts of the Internet. I'm not saying that people are not responsible for their own actions. But we are the IT professionals here.

I think this is just my way of saying that we all should be a little more understanding of the predicaments that people find themselves in before you start casting expursions at stupid users and clueless newbies. Just because you hold the upper hand in knowledge doesn't mean you hold the upper hand across the board.

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