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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Amazon plots Kindle Fire update: Aims to weather first flap

By | December 12, 2011, 2:48am PST

Summary: Although volume control gets the press, the biggest issue for Amazon is fixing the one-click buying without a password. That’s a parental nightmare.

Amazon is learning life in the tablet market is a bit different than e-readers. The critics, who are talking about volume control, user interface and one-click shopping, are starting to pile up. The open question here is whether Amazon is facing a crisis or just a hiccup.

Much of the latest consternation around the Kindle Fire is summed up by a New York Times story. The most disgruntled are sending the Fire back. No external volume control is a hassle; privacy concerns abound and a sometimes clunky UI are the biggest beefs. User interface expert Jakob Nielsen has panned the Fire. Amazon said it will update the software in less than two weeks.

The complaints are largely found on Amazon’s support site and present a more nuanced view. Here are a few excerpts:

Note this one:

The power button is in an annoying spot but I haven’t had issues yet accidentally shutting it off. The volume controls are horrible. With only a virtual slide that is hidden in the settings, it’s too many clicks to get to the volume controls. A simple software update could place the volume control on the main taskbar (still virtual, but much easier to access).

However, that same review has the following:

When I got down to the heart of it, for what I actually use these devices for, the Kindle Fire is a cheap alternative to an iPad that has all of the functionality that I want at less than a third of the price.

And then there’s this one:

I was really excited to buy Kindle Fire as a gift for my 5 year old twins but after trying it for a day now, I have decided to return it for the following reasons
- Absolute lack of parental controls on content (apps, music, videos, web) Please pardon me the “parents are the parental” control non-sense. It is not about control kids, it is about keeping kids safe while letting them be independent and curious.
- Lack of control on apps or content purchases
- General lack of kids’ content specially books.
- Cumbersome interface (volume control, double taps, sluggish touch response

Sorry to be disappointed with Kindle Fire but it is not ready for prime-time as a content consumption device especially for the young kids.

That complaint carries some weight since many folks see the Fire as a kid tablet. All of my daughter’s elementary school pals are asking for iPads for Christmas and borrowing my Kindle Fire to see if the kids will like the device and save mom and dad some dollars.

Read the heated arguments: Great Debate: Kindle Fire or iPad: Which one should you buy?

So what’s my take? I’ve had the Fire for nearly a month now. The volume controls throw me off, but a software update could fix that somewhat. The UI stumbles are definitely there too. But there hasn’t been anything that has inspired me to throw in the towel. The apps run better on the Fire than they do on my force-close happy Samsung Galaxy Tab with Honeycomb. One-click buying is an issue for the kids, but my bigger priority right now is limiting iPod Touch purchases from the younger, but increasingly savvy children.

In other words, the jury is still out on this Kindle Fire in crisis storyline. This crisis would be much larger if the Fire were selling for $499. At $199, the complaint calculus changes. My gut tells me that the Fire would have to be a complete disaster for the masses to send it back. The Fire isn’t a disaster and $199 will cover a lot of flaws for those expecting an iPad killer.

The Amazon reviews seem to back up the more middle of the road view of the Fire.

  • 47 percent of reviews are 5-star;
  • 19 percent are 4-star;
  • 12 percent are 3-star;
  • 9 percent are 2 star;
  • 13 percent are 1 star.

To me the biggest issue for Amazon is fixing the one-click buying without a password. That’s a parental nightmare. This review sums it up:

Just think for a minute. Every purchase you make with your Kindle or Fire is charged to your default card. There’s no password, no sign-in, nothing. So anyone who physically has a hold of your device has a direct line to your credit card. Remember this if you lose it or it gets stolen, and you might want to be extra careful who you loan it to. Really, Amazon - how hard is it to make a password requirement for purchases? I was thinking of giving my Fire to my daughter. The fact that she could purchase anything she wants without a password (and therefore without any oversight) is making me think again.

It’s no secret that the Fire is built for shopping, but the tablet market has to be different. Amazon is going to have to move away from its standard practices and make shopping a bit harder on the Fire for security.

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I thinks it's also a security risk shipping the Kindle Fire already logged into the users account. Just imagine the risk if your shipment gets lost or stolen and it's already logged into your account/credit card, ready to shop. I am surprise this is not getting scrutinized. Amazon is recommending clicking on the "gift" option upon checkout if you don't want it shipped already logged in. Really? Security comes first Amazon.
@dave95. Very good point there. They should make it more like Google phones. You login your account after you get them. It isn't exactly rocket science. There's making thing easier for the consumer, and then there's dumbing things down too much.
@dave95.

This has already happened to a few people and has been recorded in the 1 star comments on Amazon. There's no good reason why it should be shopping ready on your doorstep before you even get a chance to open it and set it up.
@biobat Except if it wasn't, people would be complaining about why they had to go through the trouble of setting it up, they're not rocket scientists, Amazon has all the information already, why do I have to type it in again, Apple has a better user experience, blah, blah, blah.
@dave95. When you get the Kindle Fire you have to log on and enter your password for your amazon acount before you can buy anything. So if your KF is stolen in shipping your credit card information cannot be accessed.
@dave95. Security you say. Amazon has altogether stopped asking me for my account password on their site lately. Just like that. What do you expect from Fire that has been created for you to spend on Amazon.

The easy, yet less convinient, way out of this mess is to remove your credit card info from your account altogether, and retype - yes, retype - it every time you make a purchase.
@ForeverSPb clear your cookies or restrict cookies from Amazon and then you'll have to login everytime
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wackoae 12th Dec
@ForeverSPb

Use Firefox with the BetterPrivacy app that will ERASE any flash cookies and set the browser to erase all history and cookies when the browser is closed.
I never even thought about the one-click buying until this article. I guess my 8 year old is the exception. She shops for books and games and then asks me to do the actual buy. I think you can turn off one-click buying in your account setting. It should be changed on the Kindles though. Other than that it is fine. I haven't noticed any problem adjusting volume when playing videos. I don't use it for music.
@bobfastner I think you should give credit to yourself for raising a responsible child and being a parent and not blaming hardware for your lack of parental skills. While I do think one click shopping is wrong to have enabled by default. I see where Amazon considers this a adult piece of electronics not a toy. Giving a 5 year old a Kindle to use unsupervised is just dumb.
@jscott418
I agree totally. You don't just let your kids run willy-nilly on the Internet, do you? Why is a tablet so different? All my kids are grown now, but they never got to use the family PC without any supervision. If I had grandchildren they would get the same treatment.
@jscott418 Amen!
@bobfastner I was thinking the same thing... turning off one-click in your account might resolve this while making it slightly more cumbersome to order for yourself. I think these are reasonably simple 1.0 pains.

To me the bigger issue is, why the hell do parents think every device should always be kid friendly in the extreme? First, I have no kids and don't want child-proof caps or Kindles. And second, whatever happened to Tonka trucks and Barbie dolls? If an e-reader is called for, there are less expensive and more child-friendly ones available. I don't think any device this powerful and capable of taking kids places unsupervised should be given to a child. Ever. Internet content should always be supervised and restricted. You don't let your pre-teen take your car over to the local bar, so why let them do the equivalent on an Internet device?
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IslandBoy_77 17th Dec
@JoeFoerster
I totally agree with those thoughts. The 21st century seems to have got parents checking their brains and responsibilities in at the purchase counter...
I've been a Kindle (international 3G) owner since the day it was made available. This e-ink reading device was revolutionary in many aspects but one: the user experience.

I also had the chance to try the Kobo reader which turned-out to be inferior to the Kindle in every aspect but one: the user experience.

Considering Amazon's mightyness, it is simply unacceptable to deploy such innovative products without a decent user experience. Their UX is simply insipid, obsolete and totally lacking visual attractiveness. It has this strange BlackBerry after taste.

It is time for Amazon to bring new blood in the UX department. And fast.
@TheCyberKnight Interesting how you mention BlackBerry because the BlackBerry Playbook has the best smoothest, elegant user experience. People frequently comment on how after using the Playbook, they get frustrated going back to an iFad.
@John Hanks Interesting how you try to make a joke out of the name of the hottest tablet platform there is. They are *all* fads, every one of them. Tech products are all about the latest thing, so go back to the drawing board for making jokes.
@John Hanks
You're right. I should have excluded the PlayBook which indeed has a very slick UX. I really meant the BlackBerry phones.
I'm a touch mystified by the "tablets for kids" idea. If you want to give your kid a tablet, V-Tech and Fisher Price make some pretty nice ones just for kids. Tablets are rather serious pieces of technology covered end to end in glass, a parent's nightmare (I don't care how tough that gorilla glass is). As far as the shopping thing, I don't let others use my Kindle without me standing right next to that person (or over, in my niece's case). I also have a password put in place. You can't get past the unlock screen without it. So, while the Kindle Fire won't be winning any congeniality awards for security, they also didn't leave us completely high and dry. As for the volume, I don't see the big deal. I like it where it is. Also, the power button is in a terrific place. I thought it was lousy, too at first. But then I realized, it's in the one spot I never place my hand while holding it! Genius.

I will say this. As a suggestion to improve security on the Kindle Fire, put a password lock on the WiFi antenna. It always shuts down when the screen go dark. Have it so it can't be turned on without password approval. That would really be a killer feature, and not too obtrusive, I should think. Once it's on, it's on until the next time the screen logs out.
@NCWeber As a Parent I could not agree more. Parents seem to cave to pressure by other dumb parents who just allow their kids to have what they want. It puts a lot of parents in a bind to also do what they know is wrong.
I think better measure should be in place for purchases just for the sake of the Fire being stolen. I never liked one click shopping but I am sure the stores do.
@NCWeber "I was really excited to buy Kindle Fire as a gift for my 5 year old twins..."
And I was really excited to buy my one-year-old nephew a 556HP Cadillac CT-V coupe for Christmas, but I had to bring it back to the dealer because there was unbelievably no booster seat installed, the pedals don't adjust up three feet so he could reach them, the cupholders don't fit his bottle, and the satellite radio carries Howard Stern along with Disney Radio. What's wrong with Cadillac? happy
@jgm@... When I was five I wanted Hot Wheels and action figures. Oh.. and a TOP. I got a very fancy TOP around that age. It was clear and there was a train on the inside that moved around when you spun it.
I think the most exotic tech toys I got before the age of 12 were a set of Star Trek walkie-talkies and a Speak n' Spell.
@jgm@... +100. Just Awesome...
Amazon is one of the companies that fixes things when they are broken. I am confident they will fix the Kindle issues. The poor selection of kids and young adult books is another matter. I just don't know how much of the problem is Amazon's selection and how much is due to low numbers of such books being published.
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11-year-old with autism
andy.hefty@... 12th Dec
I have an 11-year-old autistic son. The Kindle Fire is ideal for him, with lots of learning apps. But his obsession with Thomas The Tank Engine led me to have a massive amount of e-mails because he was suddenly purchasing digital downloads of all the shows via one-click -- even when we had it removed and logged off! Not good. Amazon was quick to refund me, but I had to de-register the unit and put it on another e-mail account with absolutely no connection to the Amazon marketplace. Less than ideal. If Amazon can put in some controls (and, yes, *I* am the ultimate control -- I agree), it would be a helpful set of tools to underscore (help) what we are trying to do.
@andy.hefty@... My oldest son, works with kids with Autism, and he always brings his alienware laptop with him. It truly amazes me how well these kids take to technical products...
I wish someone had enough insight to take these feature deficits and compare them to the new Nook tablet. Just curious as I had read the NYT story this morning and there's a ton of other stories like this out there running with the NYT premise but nothing about that.
Kindle Fire teething problems aside, bloggers must get paid more than I thought. $600 iPads for grammar-school-age children for Christmas? Are you kidding?
@LotusCarGuy I agree. An iPad or tablet is NOT a toy. I can just see some 8-year-old riding his bike carrying and iPad and he drops it and shatters it. Good for Apple, though. They'll be replacing lots of screens come January. And at what, $150 a pop?

That being said, my wife and I took a family trip for Thanksgiving and my 4 year old nephew was there with us. A four year old among 8 adults gets bored pretty quickly. I jumped on the App store on my iPad and got him a handful of kid-friendly games and learning apps and boom. He was happy. I think the Kindle, iPad, Nook, etc. can be a wonderful learning tool and it still allows the kids to have fun and be interactive with the device.

However, he didn't use it without supervision. We checked on him every few minutes to make sure he wasn't doing anything he wasn't supposed to be doing. At the end of the day, I think parents should still be parents and monitor what their kids are doing. You can't just hand a kid a device and walk away for three hours and expect them not to get into something. You'll be lucky if they don't drain your bank account and throw the thing in the toilet. Kids need attention, not pacifism. Pony up and watch your kids. And teach them what NOT to do.
@heymatthew Excellent advice. What a concept -- BE A PARENT! True, Amazon needs to have a password to buy things but still, BE A PARENT! We have way too many kids out there these days with way too much time on their hands and what happens is things like kids killing kids or adults, drugs and other nonsense that if they had parents there would stop most of that.
@heymatthew Great comments. I can certainly see using them as you described - to pass the time on a long trip, play games, etc...but not to own one of their own. Of course, I'm always behind the times. I have a Nano, and all the 8-year-old kids in my neighborhood have iPod Touch. I have a regular cell phone, they all have smart phones with data plan$. How do you keep up with that and save for their $40K/year college education? I know! Let them get loans!
$200 is a ripoff for this device anyhow, 7inchs and dual 1ghz?? u can get an HP Touchpad for $200 put Android on it and more than 2x your speed on 10inches..... and HEY it fits in IPAD cases with access points in the same locations..... but hey nah..... too hard
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@bspurloc
Hubby & I are looking for an inexpensive tablet. Although we just bought low-end Kindles we aren't committed to Kindle. We don't care who makes the tablet as long as it does what we want so I was interested in checking out the HP Touchpad. 1st of all, I can't find it for much under $300 which is still a good deal compared to the iPad, but for us $100 isn't just chump change either, esp. since we each plan to get 1. 2nd, I love reading on the Kindle because of the lack of glare & ease of reading in all except low-light situations. Since I would be using the tablet a lot in the car as well as out on the deck in the summer, does the HP Touchpad offer that same lack of glare? For that matter, does the Kindle Fire for offer that with everything or only ebooks? I'm not trying to pick holes in your statements. I sincerely am looking for answers as we plan to purchase no later than June 1.
The Nook has had parental controls and password required for purchases since the first rollout. The Nook Color and Nook Tablet have external volume controls and do have a decent selection of enhanced books for kids. The Tablet lets me do everything I need to do without iPad or Kindle envy. Its great-fast and better selection of apps, video support and better volume control.
@sandy42@...

Its weird they don't mention the Nook in the article. It seems like an obvious comparison to make since they are in the same price category.
@sandy42@...

Yeah, that's what I sunk my money into this year. Spent some time with it to make sure my kid wouldn't run up a tab. The Nook has all of which the Fire does not, in regards to what the consumers are complaining about in this blog. Although I wish there was a password option in the Nook Tablet for using the web browser. As it stands, you can only enable or disable it. Which granted, isn't too much of a fuss to go through the options menu to toggle. However, I would still prefer a password prompt. The Nook ecosystem is not as great as Amazon's, but it'll grow. I already have Netflix, and it streams the content very well. Got all the apps my kid wants for the time being. The interactive children's books are amazing. Unfortunately it won't be as popular as the Fire.
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IPADs for kid's Christmas present?
Laurentian Enterprises 12th Dec
The comment about all the kid's friends asking for IPADs for Christmas makes me wonder what income level their parents live in? As an adult who finds cost of an IPAD is a bit out of reach for me, let alone as a Christmas present for kids! I was never rich enough to give a Christmas present to my kids that was much over the $100-$150 range, and when I did give something that expensive, it was usually broken within a month and I really regretted doing something that foolish. The phrase "more money than brains" really rings true in this case.
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Buy a Nook Tablet
d.christman@... 12th Dec
Have one since November 18th (first day it came out). Beautiful interface. Great screen. Great WiFi. Superior Volume control (on the side of the unit). Unlimited memory upgrades with cards (really simple). For 50 dollars more you get an impressive machine.

Was at Best Buy last Saturday and there was a long line of people returning Kindle Fires for a variety of reasons. Some were:
- Won't stay started.
- Won't turn on
- Won't turn off
- Volume control does not work
- UI goes out on a whim (a real common complaint)

Sorry to disagree with the authors of the article but if you are not satisfied with something 199 dollars is a lot of money in anyone's book (not unless you are Warren Buffett). In short, buy a Nook Tablet.
@d.christman@...

I completely agree. I've used both and ended up going with the Nook Tablet - such an overall better experience. The comparison reviews lately have left me scratching my head. The nook has the clear advantage.
I am shocked by all of the negative reviews on Amazon especially how the technology press raved about the UI and Capabilities etc. prior to launch. Sarcasm.......

Lesson? Disregard the technology press review, positive or negative, of a product prior to a products launch.

To me the biggest issue for Amazon is fixing the one-click buying without a password.

Just disable 1-Click shopping. You can do that on a per-device basis, so it shouldn't affect you anywhere else.
I have been having this discussion with Amazon support the last two days. They just don't get it.

1. WHY is a credit card required to get FREE apps from the App-Store? I know, Amazon really hopes you'll impulse buy a few things while you're there. But if you allow access to FREE content without a credit card, that solves 50% of the problems.

2. I keep getting the boilerplate "An amazon gift card can be used to purchase, but a credit card payment method is required" is the gist. How hard would it be to allow a gift card to be used AS the payment method? Fund the kid a predermined amount, and after that it won't work. Or do they recommend that kids be given unlimited credit cards??? In what universe is THAT ok?

3. Security. anyone with the Kindle can buy anything on Amazon and charge to me. I'll bet this has happened many times already since the Fire was released.

They don't get it, they don't listen. Amazon is getting a bad reputation as a "do anything for the sale" type of establishment. The type of high-pressure establishments I do not frequent.
I really like my fire. My 3 major complaints in order are: no google market or google apps, sluggish tap response on occasion and yes the volume control. Still, the response is far better than my first generation Nook running Android (CM7) and it what it does it does well. I think the occasional sluggish UI response comes part and parcel with Android. It seems like Android suddenly starts to do something in the background and the UI freezes momentarily. If Google can solve this problem and keep responsiveness the highest priority task, then I think it will be a great tablet.
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I thought about getting my wife the Fire for her birthday but did not exactly for the security issues. I ended up with another full fledged, non branded tablet.

Meanwhile, if ZDNet is going to continue to post articles on security - when are they going to finally fix their own login pages (ZDNet, TechRepublic, etc.) so they are encrypted!

"It's fast, free, and NOT secure"
The numb skull who let this thing get through QA with no login password required to purchase anything should be shot. To boot, it needs to be per purchase- which the iPad doesn't even have and I find somewhat annoying. So on the iPad which is slightly better, once I authorize a purchase in any device or the iTunes app for that matter, unless I logout and back in again (or the device powers off), whomever grabs it next CAN purchase ANYTHING! This also needs to be fixed.

Also of importance is that people are confusing the above mentioned need for a simple password to make purchases with the need for parental controls- which are completely different. Parental controls let me set ratings limits on viewable content. And while that's doable because I control the flow of content to the iPad from a iTunes transfer point of view, that is now and he is 5 ys/old, once my son is older and I no longer manage the content, maybe not so much. As an example, once an app like say Netflix or Hulu is downloaded, I cannot (or at least no way that I'm aware of) control the ratings content that can be viewed within those apps.

Finally, a 66% rating of 4 to 5 stars and 47% of that being 5 stars is not middle of the road acceptance in my book, it is Excellent acceptance!
I'm still alittle confused that people only see Kindle Fire and Nook Color as options to iPad. For $259 at Best Buy, you can buy the Acer A100 7inch tablet which is full Android 3.2 with ability to use the Android Market and the Amazon Market.

It does have a physical volume control and while it supports Amazon accounts, it doesn't come already enabled and it does have parental controls. I realize that there is a psychological point to "under $200", but $60 more for a fully capable Android tablet doesn't seem like it should be a deal breaker. You are still paying around 1/2 the cost of an iPad. There are other tablets out there, but I can't comment on those as my hands on experience is with Acer.
@sbf95070

Unfortunately, that Best Buy price is from Black Friday - it hasn't been available for some weeks and then only locally in limited quantities. It is over US$300 on Amazon but expansys-usa.com shows it for US$269 in stock. This is the tablet I got for my wife instead of the Fire. The 7 inch form factor is perfect for her. The iPad and similar are too large.

UPDATE: Ha! It just dipped under US$300 on Amazon. But if you look at the pricing graph for it on shopobot, I would say that it is a contender for a Fire/Nook replacement.
I've got the kindle for a couple of weeks now for the wife and I'm seriously thinking about returning it. As a reader it's fine, but as a tablet, it isn't. The tablet runs apps not very smoothly. The UI seems so simple without much options. I get it that you don't want people to mess things up, but some of us are more advanced, it should be available. Second, I was hoping that this would have a good browswer since it's suppose to be preprocessed by SILK, but this thing is a nightmare, it's a lot slower having it on. And it doesn't even work for some site. I had to turn it off for it to log into google. So the browsing experience is just slow. Of course I'm concern about the "no security when purchasing also". I have a small child and don't think he would be able to accidentally buy things yet, but I'm afraid that if I lose this thing it would be a nightmare.
My Kindle Fire came registered to my account but required a password to complete the first purchase. The Fire also has an option to password protect the device, as do most Android devices. Security is in the hands of the owner.

I have both the Kindle Fire and the Kindle 3G. Both use the one-touch buying experience. I love it, but I don't leave it laying around for prying eyes and I don't use it as a pacifier for a 5 year-old. That said, an option to secure the buying option by requiring a password is still not a bad option, but I would not want it to be the default.
@Deacon336

Some people buy it so their kids can learn some things. Not as a pacifier. If you say that then everything might as well be a pacifier.
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