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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Apple's iPad sales: Time for 'pricing stimulus'?

By | November 15, 2011, 3:44am PST

Summary: Amazon’s Kindle Fire and talk of iPad upgrades just months away may be hampering Apple’s tablet sales. Price cuts could change that equation in a hurry though, say analysts.

The consternation over Apple’s iPad sales in the December quarter is reaching a fever pitch, but at this juncture it’s unclear whether growth is merely pausing or something more serious.

Worries about iPad sales in the December quarter (fiscal first quarter) are actually leading some analysts to call for “some pricing stimulus” on Black Friday and beyond.

To wit:

  • Business Insider noted that Goldman Sachs analyst Bill Shope rang the alarm bells about iPad sales. Shope said that it’s prudent to assume the iPad is seeing demand challenges. The Goldman analyst also argued that the iPad is overdue for a price cut. Overall, the iPhone is going to drive Apple’s results.
  • Barclays Capital analyst Ben Reitzes said in a research note that iPad sales are also worrisome. Reitzes noted that Apple’s fiscal fourth quarter iPad sales of 11.1 million was weaker than the 11.7 million expected by analysts. Apple channel inventory was up 1.45 million units to 2.5 million. As for the first quarter, Reitzes said “we currently estimate iPad unit sales of 13.9 million for the December quarter, which may prove optimistic by 1-2 million units.”
  • Other analysts said that Apple will grow sequential iPad sales, but a lot rides on Black Friday sales.

Here are some thoughts on what’s going on with Apple iPad sales.

Later today; Great Debate: Are $200 tablets a game changer?

The Amazon Kindle Fire effect. The Fire will be landing on doorsteps today and the $199 device could be disruptive. As I noted, the integration is done well and the Fire is a nice entertainment device. If you’re watching specs, however, the Fire is lacking. It’s quite possible that consumers are watching the word of mouth with the Fire before deciding on a $499 and up iPad. A Fire that’s good enough can poach sales from Apple. Also see: Amazon’s Kindle Fire: Snappy consumption, impulse purchase device | Kindle Fire vs. iPad heats up for holiday shoppers (survey)

Upgrade rumors for the iPad. It’s likely that a new iPad will land in March of 2012. Anyone who can wait will. Reitzes had an interesting take on Apple’s upgrade plans—think iPad 2S. He said:

Our research still points toward Apple continuing to innovate in the iPad category with an iPad 3 launching in the March timeframe with an HD screen, Siri integration and a faster processor. It is possible that Apple keeps the iPad 2 in the category as well. First, we expect a possible “iPad 2S” that includes a faster processor and Siri integration. Second, we believe that Apple will keep the current 16GB version of the iPad 2 in the line-up next year, using it as a lower-priced option to compete with new entrants. Indications in the supply chain around C1Q production patterns back these views, even though 4Q momentum has waned.

Meanwhile, an iPad 3 could be waiting to support LTE in the fall of 2012. In all cases, consumers know that it may not make sense to buy an iPad 2 right now.

It’s time for “pricing stimulus,” said Reitzes. Apple may simply need to cut the price on the entry level iPad. If $200 is the new benchmark for tablets and the Fire takes off—it just might—then Apple’s iPad will look pricey. Frankly, it’s amazing that Apple has been able to hold iPad pricing this long as rivals repeatedly stumble. Apple will keep the high-end and Amazon will take the low end. Can Apple really afford to cede the low end of the market to others? I’d argue that Apple will have to dabble in the low end just like it does with the iPhone.

Apple price cuts—if they are coming—would land in just a few days.

Add it up and Apple’s iPad sales growth should be weaker than expected. Consumers are just being rational and trying to make the best buying decision they can. The big caveat is a lot can happen between now and Dec. 31 on the iPad sales front.

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RE: Apple's iPad sales: Time for 'pricing stimulus'?
Traxxion 22nd Nov
@psion

"I just finished recording my staff Christmas greetings for a nationally broadcast Christmas show on my "toy."

oh you did? Is that video or audio? You expect us to believe your tool of choice for broadcast quality audio/video production is - the iPad? And it is in your opinion the best choice of tool for this task because.... ?

"Last week, I did the final PDF proofing of my new book on my "toy."

Again... the only question is WHY? A regular laptop/desktop is far better suited to this task for many reasons. You insistence on using an iPad for something like this only shows up your willingness to suffer unnecessarily, nothing more....

Yes, it is a toy. Get over it.
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2S?
rhonin 15th Nov
Could be especially if Apple cannot get the proposed "Retina" level display for the next gen iPad and has to fall back on a lower but improved resolution display.
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It's post-tablet era now
LBiege 15th Nov
Don't expect people to pour so much money into an overpriced toy very long. Not in this economy. The European #s are going down. So will that of US. Just wait.
@LBiege The only reason I can think of to call it a 'toy' is to not have one. Do you actually own an iPad? I find it incredibly useful in all aspects of life and really isn't a 'toy'. It integrates into life and business very well. I'm using it far more than my laptop at this point, especially at home.
@LBiege please when you have kids working at Radio Shack and not paying anything at home for their bills cause mommy and daddy will take care of it, you are still going to see Apple sales keep its track because wasteful spending is not a problem for kids now a days, hey the learned it from their parents.
@LBiege I agree. The notion that upgrades coming in a few months are what is causing folks to hold back is nonsense. Most of us just don't have $500 to throw around in these times.
@LBiege: ... of demonstrating double-digit growth during this last recession.
"an overpriced toy"-LBiege

Your prejudice is showing. That "overpriced toy" provided more sales and more productivity in 9 months than all the tablets combined had in the previous 9 years.

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend that the tablet revolution isn't coming, that's fine with me. But the rest of the world is going to move on without you.
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US is already down
voska1 15th Nov
@LBiege, I have friends in the US and by what they describe I don't know if thing could get much worse for them. Even the family I have in the US are struggling but at the same time they have long ways to fall as they are rich. My aunt/uncle there complain that they have to cut back or they could run out of saving in their retirement.
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PC sales are down
ScorpioBlue 15th Nov
I guess nobody wants to buy those toys, either...
@Falkirk: Shows you are a "fanboi". When you say "provided more sales and more productivity in 9 months than all the tablets combined had in the previous 9 years" where is the information to back up this claim? Maybe for you but not others. Last I remember, I don't think tablets existed 9 years ago. Biased...
actually tablets have existed since 1994 with Windows for pen computing. Microsoft relaunched their tablet pc push in 2001. So tablets have been around for ages.
@LBiege I just finished recording my staff Christmas greetings for a nationally broadcast Christmas show on my "toy." Last week, I did the final PDF proofing of my new book on my "toy."
@psion

"I just finished recording my staff Christmas greetings for a nationally broadcast Christmas show on my "toy."

oh you did? Is that video or audio? You expect us to believe your tool of choice for broadcast quality audio/video production is - the iPad? And it is in your opinion the best choice of tool for this task because.... ?

"Last week, I did the final PDF proofing of my new book on my "toy."

Again... the only question is WHY? A regular laptop/desktop is far better suited to this task for many reasons. You insistence on using an iPad for something like this only shows up your willingness to suffer unnecessarily, nothing more....

Yes, it is a toy. Get over it.
@rhonin No it won't. The Kindle Fire is not in the same class as an iPad. Apple will pay this as much attention as they've paid to all the other table entries, which is to say no attention at all.
@His_Shadow we have not even started talking about win 8 wait till it comes on the scene with phone 7.5 soon to be upgraded to 8 and total integration with desktop laptop and tablets app integration to the level no one ever imagined. where will ipad and iphones hide?
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Market saturation?
wright_is 15th Nov
Is it also not possible, that the iPad is reaching saturation point among those that are interested in such technology?

The general opinion among the people I know, both inside and outside the tech industry, is "why would I want one?" Those that see a use for an iPad have bought one, the rest can't see a use case for a tablet, even at $199.

The bleeding edge techers and the poncy boy showoffs have all bought their Fondleslab, now Apple (and others) are having to reach beyond those that will just pay up to have the latest and greatest, to those that will buy something they need... And the iPad isn't a product that the majority of people "need".
@wright_is

I agree, until a tablet comes out with more extended PC capabilities like a Win8 device, the market doesn't have room for much growth beyond the gadget geeks and the fringe group of people who have $500 to blow on a consumption tablet.

A netbook/laptop replacement is what the next generation of tablets need to be. Then, you will see a long growth of sales. So far, Microsoft seems to be the only that understands that.
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Really? Why is that? You think people are dying for a device with no keyboard so they can do RealWork(tm)? Buy a clue: laptops are just fine for doing RealWork. They're cheap, too. Far cheaper than any tablet capable of running today's large desktop Windows apps could ever be.

The "Windows 8 tablet" is a fantasy. In the consumer market the low-cost Amazon-type offerings will kill anything capable of running, say, Access. In the corporate market, the cheaper laptop will prevail because companies aren't going to pay a premium to save a pound and a quarter-inch.
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Maybe so but remember ...
mwagner@... 15th Nov
@spaulagain ... that netbooks are available today for $350 and Windows 7 notebooks for $500 and people are still flocking to tablets because of the form-factor. I think that tablets will remain "consumption" devices but, like netbooks, they are just too small to be good content-creation devices. Whether or not Microsoft OEMs can succeed with a Win8-driven tablet remains to be seen.
@spaulagain "So far, Microsoft seems to be the only that understands that. "
Do those two words ever belong in the same sentence? wink
@non-biased We are currently looking for a tablet for one customer, they need a specific solution... They have an existing app (several man years of development) in Java, which they want to use in tablet form at the weekly conference and for on-site data capture.

That rules out iPad, it also rules out Android, because it doesn't use the full Java stack.

Windows 7 is, currently, the only option for such a vertical - as soon as one with decent performance and long battery life is available.

The Windows (or other tablet OS) GUI is irrelevant, the tablet will boot into the one application, which has a touch based interface.

For such verticals, Microsoft DO understand what their customers want. The problem is, nobody can deliver a suitable tablet at the moment.

It might not be what consumers are looking for, but for certain industry verticals, it makes a lot more sense than iOS or Android...
@spaulagain Again, making the mistake that what people want is a tablet that replaces a laptop. A tablet does tablet stuff, a laptop does laptop stuff, a desktop does desktop stuff. They are three different animals. Why introduce the complexities of a laptop to a tablet, when a tablets strength is simplicity (at a cost of flexibility). If you need a laptop, get a laptop. Don't expect "mission creep" on a tablet.
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Robert Hahn 15th Nov
When they'd sold a million of these things, your Microsoft PR (Wait for Windows 8!) was plausible. But thirty million "poncy boys" and "bleeding-edge techers"? Oh, stop it.

Tens of millions of people find tablets useful and worth the money. They didn't -- or won't -- wait for Redmond to arrive on its white horse. Get over it.
@Robert Hahn But I also agree with wright_is that with 30 million sold, everyone who wants one probably already has one. Its the same with any new market niche. When the product is new, there is huge growth because they are filling a previously untapped demand. But at a certain point the newness wears off and thing settle down to a more sustainable growth pattern. If you sell 30 million in the first three years, it is ridiculous to expect you will sell 30 million in the next three years too. Same applies to everything except perhaps food.
@Robert Hahn I've no idea, whether Windows 8 will make a difference, I doubt it. But tablets are still very much a niche market, especially among the people I know - I've actually seen 2 in business use and I know 1 person who has one privately. The rest aren't interested, no matter what name the tablet carries.

My post wasn't denegrating Apple, as such, the iPad is a great product, which filled / created a new niche. But I think the niche is slowly reaching saturation point, at least for products in their current form, so a slow down of sales is inevitable.
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@cornpie

"If you sell 30 million in the first three years, it is ridiculous to expect you will sell 30 million in the next three years too."

How many iPods did Apple sell since its introduction in 2001? Try 300,000,000 globally.

By your logic, the newness of the iPod would have worn off sometime around year 2003. Apple would have never made any more revisions after 2003, and the price would have remain the same at $399. We would have never seen the mini iPods that got introduced in 04, followed by the Nano in 2005 and then the iPod Touch in 2007 which all stimulated excitement into the platform.

Apple will sell more iPads than iPods and the key to that will be using the same formula they used with the iPods then and the iPhones now. Stimulate excitement every year with hardware revisions and must have features (see Retina, Camera, Siri on iPhone 4S). When Apple brings Siri to the iPad together with retina quality displays, and maybe reduces the price more, it will generate another wave of excitement. New must have gift each holiday. If they introduce a smaller version (like they did with the iPod line), it will generate even more excitement in the ecosystem. Funny how many continue to underestimate this company's ability to sell to consumers.
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@wright_is We must be living in a different world (not only different countries). I???m writing you from Portugal, where normally new gadgets arrive several months after first appearing in the US. Wherever I go I can find someone who owns or is carrying an iPAD. Last week, one of my Clients was subject to a ISO 9001 Quality audit and the auditor was performing is tasks, guess what, with an iPAD (taking pictures, making notes and syncing everything in real time to his office server). In another Client of mine, who supplies hospital equipment???s, their technical support staff are using iPADs to document technical interventions and obtain their Clients signatures into visit forms. Whenever I???m watching a debate on our news channel, there???s someone talking with one of these toys in hand. Even today I saw a small clip from the ongoing State Budget debate in our National Assembly and the Defense Minister was rebuffing an opposition MP intervention citing a newspaper article he was reading in is, once again guess out, iPAD.
Don???t take tablets for a fad??? they are indeed something new that is going to become very big.
@Robert Hahn americans are crazy it proves my theory nothing more than that.
@cornpie: The problem with your reasoning is that there are now some 7 Billion people on this planet which means that a mere 30 million is less than 20 units per million people. Even if you consider the number of pcs currently used in the world, some 1.3 billion, that makes a little over 2 units per thousand users which means the potential market for tablets is far, far higher than a mere 30 million total. It's simply a matter of scale.

This isn't to say tablets are for everyone, but please, try to pay attention to why people are buying them. Not everybody thinks the way you do, and that's a good thing, isn't it? We'd have no progress at all if everybody thought the same thoughts.
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Market saturation? Where?
joaolcbarros@... 15th Nov
@wright_is It's not a question about what people need but rather what people want. And everyone I know wants a tablet, preferably an iPAD because it's the best money proposition (I spent several month comparing devices and finally bought one original iPAD, despite iPAD2 was already out, because compared to any other tablet it was still better and with discount it was a bargain). And don't get me wrong, I'm all into Microsoft. This is my first acquisition of an Apple device, the first one I found that has no price, specs or usability competitor.
I see people talking about replacing desktops and laptops for a tablet and for me that is not the point. I still use my Windows 7 laptop and desktop, both at work and at home and I don???t see myself abandoning them since they also are very useful for tasks totally unsuited for a tablet. Rather I found my tablet a perfect add-on for those times where a full blown PC is too much and a smart phone too little.
I don???t think Apple as to worry about competition for now since they are so far ahead in this game. The moment they???ll see any rival getting any meaningful traction they only need to lower prices and let economies of scale do the work for them.
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That's the difference...
wright_is 15th Nov
@joaolcbarros@... I don't know a single person who is even entertaining the idea of getting a tablet (whether it be from Apple or any other manufacturer). They don't want one, let alone need one.

As I said, I think the segment is slowly becoming saturated and sales will naturally slow down, until they can come up with some killer app, that makes a new generation want one - and video consumption, games and mobile web browsing aren't it.
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RE: Apple's iPad sales: Time for 'pricing stimulus'?
joaolcbarros@... Updated - 15th Nov
@wright_is We must be living in a different world (not only different countries). Im writing you from Portugal, where normally new gadgets arrive several months after first appearing in the US. Wherever I go I can find someone who owns or is carrying an iPAD. Last week, one of my Clients was subject to a ISO 9001 Quality audit and the auditor was performing is tasks, guess what, with an iPAD (taking pictures, making notes and syncing everything in real time to his office server). In another Client of mine, who supplies hospital equipments, their technical support staff are using iPADs to document technical interventions and obtain their Clients signatures into visit forms. Whenever Im watching a debate on our news channel, theres someone talking with one of these toys in hand. Even today I saw a small clip from the ongoing State Budget debate in our National Assembly and the Defense Minister was rebuffing an opposition MP intervention citing a newspaper article he was reading in is, once again guess out, iPAD.
Don't take tablets for a fad they are indeed something new that is going to become very big.
@joaolcbarros@...

The Iconia W500 sells for about half the price of an iPad ($350 last I saw) and runs Win 7. That is the low end device for running Win 8 on a tablet.
@joaolcbarros@... I agree: Tablets fill a niche, and not quite the way Microsoft envisioned it when they basically created the market a decade ago. People don't necessarily need a tablet to replace their desktop or laptop machine: they want one to make certain tasks -- especially email and surfing, but other apps, too -- more convenient. Sure, a laptop will do all and more that a tablet will, but with a tablet it, you pull it from your briefcase or bag and within a second or two you're looking at or showing off whatever it is that you need to show off. With a laptop, you have to clear space to set it down, fumble to open it up, wait a few seconds for it to wake up, and you can't easily twist and move it around to show others things like you can with a tablet. And for quick emails on the couch, the tablet wins hands-down because of size and weight.

Whoever postulated that the market may be saturated may be somewhat correct: the market _as it is today_ may be a bit saturated, but that's a formality because the tablet market will continue to expand as new features, technologies and capabilities are added and as price breaks make it possible for entirely new demographics to obtain a tablet.

So, if I were Tim Cook at Apple, I wouldn't be too worried about a current slow-down (if there even is one). My hunch is it's a lull before the holiday and end-of-year spending sprees. More and more businesses keep adopting iPads every day. And while the "low-hanging fruit" early adopters may have their iPad (and iPad2), they'll buy a 3 when it comes out ... and there are plenty of people who will take the plunge before the end of the year. And if Apple does drop the price a bit, they'll catch even more of those people who are mostly over the fence but weren't quite off it yet.

iPads aren't quite "disposable" devices -- they're too expensive for that -- but Apple's history of adding enough new features at every revision to entice current owners to upgrade is a proven strategy -- one that will only be helped by price breaks ... which I do think the Amazon Fire will cause: Apple won't want to leave too much middle ground for others to come into, nor will it want to appear to be too much more expensive than the Fire, so that Fire doesn't completely sweep through the low-end. But as one of the analysts predictaed -- and as Apple has done with the iPhone and iPod Touch in the past -- releasing an iPad3 and keeping the iPad2 around at a significant price break ($299?) would make the iPad line seem like a far better deal than the Fire or other tablets.
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@wright_is But there is a major flaw whenever somebody uses "the people I know" or "everyone I know" argument like it makes any difference. You might not know anybody who is entertaining the idea but I know a number of people that are. I don't try to apply what I see in the people I know to everyone else, you shouldn't either but it carries no weight.
@mswift@... Not sure where you learned to do math but $350 is 70% or $500, not half.
@non-biased you are correct, generally. Yes, the "people we know" aren't necessarily a good demographic. But in this case, it does point to a large cross-section of society who don't give a flip about tablets.

Yes, they aren't the majority, and where joalocbarros is, there seems to be a lot of users.

Again, I am not saying that the iPad isn't a good device and that it hasn't sold well or made a solid niche for itself. My point is, there are a lot of people who don't want/need one. When the group who wants one, but doesn't have one, is diminishing, it is innevitable that sales will slow.

This isn't a failing of the product, just natural progression.
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RE: Apple's iPad sales: Time for 'pricing stimulus'?
credulousDolt Updated - 15th Nov
@wright_is The iPad is a "great product" but I'm a "poncy boy" if I buy one. Conflicted much, or is it that your inner ponce is yearning to see daylight?

Since Gartner, who do this sort of thing for a living, predict that the market will roughly triple by 2015 you're likely to be dead wrong.
@credulousDolt

I think guys like wright_is we're saying the same thing last year after Apple had sold 14 million iPads. Yeah, the market is so saturated that not only is Apple dreaming but so is Google, Motorola, Samsung, Amazon, ASUS, Toshiba, Sony, etc., etc.
@credulousDolt No, no poncy boy trying to escape. Maybe I was overly harsh. But the fashionistas all have theirs and the techy crowd have theirs... Apple (and the others) is reaching a point, where they need to reach beyond these groups and open up the market to people who currently don't want or need an iPad.

As an example of what I mean, I had a case recently, where an old Nokia 6100 dumbphone battery died. I lent the owner my iPhone 3GS for a couple of days, until the new battery arrived. The user was overly glad to see that small battery and gave me back my "toy", so that they could use their "real" phone again.

Another example, somebody was sold an htc Sensation, to replace his old dumbphone. He didn't get a new SIM card, so no internet access, after it started having problems and needed an "over the air update", he came to me, I connected it to WiFi and updated it. He had also received the new SIM card, but didn't want to lose his phone list, because they were still all on the SIM card. He was also complaining that he needed to recharge it on an almost daily basis, instead of once a week.

This was a total waste of a smartphone and the user isn't happy with their phone (it wouldn't have made any difference if it had been an iPhone BTW, it is the "smart" part of the equation which is wrong, these people want a phone, with a simple phone book and the ability to write the odd SMS).

This group of people don't use GMail or iCl??ud, they don't use the Internet much (maybe once or twice a week to check their Yahoo! mail). They don't consume video online, if they want to see TV, they sit in front of the TV, if they aren't in front of the TV, it isn't important enough to take with them, they have better things to do, than stare at a tablet screen.

This group just don't want or need tablets, those wanting/needing a tablet are shrinking, as a market segment.
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Oh, I'm so glad you not only cleared up my 'need' but everyone else's too. Project much? Get real. The people who don't see a need for it go through their life 'buying a price', no matter the item they're shopping for i.e. it's about the price or 'deal' they think they're getting. Most people wouldn't know a value proposition if it bit them in the rear. So, understanding where an iPad fits into the sameness that must be a large percentage of their life doesn't even blip of life's radar for them -- lost, like so many other details of a richer life.

There's a lot of use for my iPad I use it every day often while I'm sitting at my MacBook Pro -- I research on it while I'm writing on my MacBook Pro --

So, back up, breath and think before you type and spew such rash generalities.
@playa_west@... I'm sorry, if calling you a techy living at the bleeding edge is offensive to you.

But, again, you make my point nicely for me. "There's a lot of use for my iPad I use it every day often while I'm sitting at my MacBook Pro -- I research on it while I'm writing on my MacBook Pro -"

You see? The people I am talking about are running Windows 9x or maybe an old Windows XP machine. They have a dumb phone. They don't live on the internet, they don't want a smartphone and they don't want a tablet.

I think we forget sometimes, that we (the visitors to this site) are almost a tech elite. We like technology, we always lust after the new, we wait for new product announcements, we consume reviews and first imrpession articles like rabid dogs at an all you can eat buffet.

The "normal" people, those that don't live for the latest technology and don't buy something because it is fashionable, make up a much larger chunk of society. They check their web mail once a week, don't surf, unless they have to. They are happy with their dumbphones and have absolutely no want or need for something like a tablet.

What I am trying to say is, those that see a use for the iPad (or other tablets) have bought one, those that buy out of techno lust, have bought one, those that buy the latest fashion statement, have bought one. The market segment is no into diminishing returns, to appeal to the "rest", the tablet manufacturers need to show the "unwashed masses", why they would want one. And video playback, internet access and games aren't going to sell the iPad to this group. Apple need a new killer app to make it attractive to this market segment.
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Excuses for using the iPad
warboat Updated - 16th Nov
@playa_west@...
"...There's a lot of use for my iPad I use it every day often while I'm sitting at my MacBook Pro -- I research on it while I'm writing on my MacBook Pro --"


so using the iPad as an expensive and small second screen which you can't cut & paste back & forth is a good idea compared to using a cheap and probably more effective larger second screen with your macbook?
Safari on iPad would be my last choice browser for doing research. I want a browser that's quick with right click options for opening links in new tabs and ability to reorganise tabs.
Hope you don't come across any flash animations in your research which you can view with Chrome on your Macbook.
Stop making excuses for using the iPad like this. It's pathetic.
Just admit it, it's not the best tool for the job but you LIKE using it.
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Re: "Excuses for using the iPad"
StandardPerson Updated - 19th Nov
@warboat: "Safari on iPad would be my last choice browser for doing research. I want a browser that's quick with right click options for opening links in new tabs and ability to reorganise tabs".

With Safari on iOS 5, you can do all these things. When you tap on a link, a small menu appears that lets you choose "Open", "Open in a new tab", "Add page to reading list" or "Copy link" - and that's before you look at the Bookmarks and other menus.

If you are going to criticise something, at least check your facts. As things stand, you look like a foaming-at-the-mouth loon.

As for Flash animations, I haven't struck any that are of importance.

"Just admit it, it's not the best tool for the job"

FALSE. Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about, and that you have some irrational dislike of Apple products.
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@wright_is This is simply retarded thinking. The future of computing is mobile. That's a given. We all know that. There is no doubt whatsoever that we are only at the very beginning of this period in tech and computing history. The only question to then consider is who will make the devices we use.

Now, some anti Apple people seem to be happy to spend less and get a lot less in terms of product, experience, ecosystem and capability. That's fine. There are also a minority of people who are tinkerers who simply live to be able to play at customising their devices. That's fine too.

But then there are the rest who just want a device that works. Apple has no visible corporate marketing programme for the simple reason it doesn't need one. People are taking iPads into work and simply using them. And iPads don't need support. A six year old illiterate child in Bogota can figure it out in 5 minutes. So the tech manager is redundant - and not a day too soon. So the next step is for management to decide en masse to buy iPads - totally bypassing the PC era draconian control freak luddites and their dependency-based habits.

But if you're happy in your little world where you imagine we've reached tablet saturation - based on the people you know... then that's fine too. Just don't be surprised when you're proved wrong.
@Graham Ellison "But then there are the rest who just want a device that works."

This is where we differ. For me, it is "But then there are the rest who are just not interested in technology." They have a 10 year old PC and see no reason to upgrade, as long as it still works.

They see no reason to replace their old dumbphone, as long as they can make calls.

They see no reason to get an ebook reader or a video consumption device. They still live, mostly, offline, only using a computer when they have to. These people won't invest in a tablet, unless someone comes up with a compelling reason to do so - and internet access, video consumption, games and social networks aren't going to cut it. To appeal to these people, the manufacturers need to come up with a new "killer app".
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Sorry, it doesn't just work
warboat 16th Nov
@Graham Ellison
"...But then there are the rest who just want a device that works. Apple has no visible corporate marketing programme for the simple reason it doesn't need one. People are taking iPads into work and simply using them. And iPads don't need support. A six year old illiterate child in Bogota can figure it out in 5 minutes. So the tech manager is redundant - and not a day too soon...."

That is such a fallacy. Ask anyone in enterprise tech support and they will tell you how the iPad doesn't just work. iPad integration is probably a number one headache for many organisations. Even simple things like trying to print to a network printer from an iPad becomes a headache.
Apple lied to you with that phrase, it should have been "It just plays"
"Is it also not possible, that the iPad is reaching saturation point"-wright_is

Hmm. Where have I heard this argument before? Oh yeah, it was when Apple sold its first million iPads. Then again when it sold its first 3 million iPads. And yet again when it sold its first 10 million iPads.

Check your facts. Tablet sales have been doubling every year. PC sales have been SHRINKING. If there's an industry that's reached saturation, it's PCs, not tablets.
@Falkirk I totally agree with you, on the PC market have reached saturation and is shrinking.

I'm not saying that 30m iPads is all the market will hold. It might hold 300m or 600m for all I know. BUT the market segment that see a use for a tablet now, or those that buy it because they are fashionable, have already done so. Until the tablets can come up with some mass appeal (i.e. not "just" offering Internet and video consumption on the move), they will struggle to keep the same growth.

There are a lot of people who buy a new computer when the old one stops working (say, every 10 years or so). They don't "live" on the internet, they don't "do" Facebook or Twitter. They don't care about the latest technology. If it isn't "useful" in their daily life, they don't need it.

At the moment, the tablets don't offer them that "useful" thing. They are happy with the dumbphone, they are very happy that they only deal with email when they are at their desk. They don't want to be tethered to the Internet.

The PC world met this hurdle as well, way back in the early days. They found a way to get into the mass conciousness as a product that most people need. The tablet manufacturers have yet to reach this point, IMHO. Until they find that "killer app", it shouldn't be a surprise if sales start to slow - not stop, not "stop selling any"; just slowing, as the initial rush of enthusiastic users have bought them and they are coming up against those that need to be shown a good reason to buy one and that reason isn't yet there.
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What "killer app"?
vulpine@... 19th Nov
@wright_is: Please explain to me what "killer app" made the Apple II the first successful desktop computer.
Please explain to me what "killer app" made the IBM PC the first successful enterprise desktop.
Please explain to me what made the RIM Blackberry the first successful smart phone.
Please explain to me what made the iPhone the first successful consumer smart phone.

Trying to say that it's going to take some given app to make a product take off is like saying it's going to take 52" tires to make a successful pickup truck. What makes a product successful is how well it performs the tasks it was designed to do. At the moment, the iPad is the best tablet on the market because of its simplicity and reliability across every task it's been given and has gone far beyond even what Apple expected in the medical field.

Open your eyes; tunnel vision is blinding you to the real world.

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