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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Apple's supply chain flap: It's really about us

By | January 27, 2012, 3:04am PST

Summary: Apple is under fire for its supply chain labor, but every tech item—and thing you own—goes through the same manufacturing paces.

Apple CEO Tim Cook has responded to a New York Times report about the working conditions at its Foxconn contract manufacturer as false and offensive.

In a long letter to employees published by 9to5Mac, Cook outlined how Apple cares about workers in its supply chain and takes steps to audit how they are treated. The response comes after a New York Times went into detail about how Apple’s China manufacturing efforts are a) necessary due to U.S. inability to be nimble and b) the cost advantages of making your electronics abroad.

Apple's supply chain flap: It's really about us

Credit: Associated Press

Apple was the main target of the story, but the Times made a passing mention that there was a tech industry problem. It didn’t go much deeper on the subject. Apple is a much better storyline. I’ve been relatively silent on this Apple supply chain argument because I think the company is being targeted because it’s the big dog on the tech block. In fact, the Apple-Foxconn tale isn’t really just a tech problem. It’s a U.S. problem and it’s a consumer problem that goes well beyond tech.

In other words, Cook has every right to be miffed about the Times report. His company is being singled out.

A few thoughts at a high level:

Apple may be the poster child for manufacturing abroad, but HP also uses Foxconn heavily. Analysts estimate that Apple will be roughly 40 percent of Foxconn’s revenue in 2012. HP is about 25 percent, according to Fubon Research. No one is writing about HP though even though its supply chain report reads just like Apple’s. Every electronic you have on you right now goes through China. The data center that powers the cloud behind those devices were also made by folks stacked in tech dorms in China. The minerals in the battery were mined somewhere. Deep down do you really give a rat’s ass about the working conditions that created those relatively inexpensive devices? Of course not, you’re from a Western economy. And from what I can tell you’re still buying as much tech gear as you can.

This chart from Fubon Research gives you a rough sketch of Hon Hai’s revenue breakdown. Hon Hai is the parent of Foxconn.

It’s not just tech. Tech is being thrown under the bus with this debate because it’s sexier. Ever notice how everything you wear comes from somewhere else too. We go to Wal-Mart, Target or wherever and demand cheap chic. You don’t get cheap without inexpensive labor. In the fashion industry the race is on to find more sourcing outside of China. Why? Labor costs are going up. Africa is looking good at the moment. Rest assured that shirt on your back has some exploited labor behind it. In fact, everything you own comes from a supply chain that probably has multiple things you just don’t want to know about. You could swap out Apple in that New York Times story and replace it with almost any American corporate giant.

The U.S. wants inexpensive. Theoretically, there should be some buy American movement that would make companies manufacture here and then charge prices that make them whole. First, the buy American movement never quite worked. Every institution we have depends on prices being kept in check. To do that you need the cheapest labor you can find. Take the U.S. government. These guys print money better than any counterfeiter on the planet. The whole house of cards depends on the U.S. being a reserve currency. Inflation would go through the roof if we all suddenly manufactured everything here. The pols talk about U.S. manufacturing being built up, but their grand plan to print money depends on cheap goods or we’ll look like Germany after World War I with buckets of worthless currency.

And then there’s the reality that all of these takes on the abused supply chain are all viewed through the Western lens.
To that person working in the Foxconn plant he’s providing for his family and future generations. To him, the pay is probably pretty good. Maybe the second and third generations wind up running Foxconn. Ditto for the guy in the textile worker in Africa and every other person in an emerging market.

The bottom line here is we enable a supply chain that has a lot of warts. We want to examine those warts, but not really. This flap about worker safety isn’t about Apple, the tech industry or any other vertical. It’s about us.

Related:

CNET: Tim Cook: Apple cares about ‘every worker’ in its supply chain

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RE: Apple's supply chain flap: It's really about us
Dodgson1832 14th Feb
There is a big difference, Apple makes way more per product sold than any of the other companies... they could easily afford to offer their products at the same price and ensure that all steps in the supply chain are fair. They choose with Cook to set this chain up because they were really a small dog at the time. However, the last decade has left them in a position to reverse some of those decisions or at least make sure that everyone is compensated. If other companies were making the margins they are I would agree, but no one else is.
So you're saying we shouldn't do anything about it because then we can't buy cheap stuff. Got it. Status quo it is then. Thanks for putting that in perspective for me.
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You're not that dense, are you?
use_what_works_4_U 27th Jan
@marbo100
The article doesn't say that at all. True the ending points out that our viewpoint isn't the only one that is relevant, but that's not the message.

The message is that instead of picking on one corporation because they happen to be the media darling, we need to evaluate how badly do we really want to change the situation? If we want to change it, then we need to understand it and the first step for that understanding is to know that the issue is pervasive and driven by our buying habits. Only when we get that basic truth can we make a decision about how we proceed.

Change, don't change, whichever path we take, we, the consumers of the First World have to decide what we are willing to do either maintain the status quo or not. But first we have to understand.
@macadam

agreed...
@macadam .... Apple is quite happy for their products to be made by slaves.

What's the problem, Apple stock is doing great?
@macadam agreed. They are not "slaves" only by our limited Western Perspective. They are responsible adults making their own economic decisions. I wish we in America could do the same without a federal overlord mandating and stipulating conditions that are onerous to bear, i.e., minimum wage laws that only cause job shortages, and income taxes that are essentially making us a slave of the federal plantation. Those jobs might have been here had our government not imposed their authority on us.
@marbo100

yeah we can't blame Apple or industry. It's our fault because we are looking for the best bargain which is different from what we were looking for 50 plus years ago. You see we are dense because we can't see human nature changed.
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@macadam - Apparently Yes to your question, and BINGO to your rebuttal.
@macadam
Very well said.
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@macadam

I would guess that Apple gets singled out more often not only because it is so large/successful, but also because it is so profitable (people would argue they have the margins to manufacture here) and because Apple seems to make an effort to change the appearance of the thing. Others companies have less pretense.

If you hire the mafia to do your collections, they will use illegal methods. It is what they do. If you hire a chinese contract manufacturer, the workers will work like chinese contract manufacturer workers. The conditions are why it is so cheap, scaleable, and flexible.

Using the mafia analogy, if you asked a Dell. HP, etc why they use the mafiaa for collections it would be something like "They are cost-effective, efficient at getting the job done, and we must use them to remain cost-competitive."

The Apple response seems to be more like "The mafiaa does not use illegal methods in the process of its collections services. We audit the mafiaa regularly to be sure the they are not doing anything illlegal.
@clifftrap

In China, if you create a union, they send you prison for 10 years. To be clear, China's "prisons" for dissidents are their notoriously unsafe coal mines. The reason our per capita prison population exceeds China's is that China kills off tens of thousands of theirs every year, because they wanted Union. In China if you report to the "Union", the communist party, that your employer ordered you to stick your bare hand into a known neurotoxin that would destroy your hands within a year, you will be blacklisted. If this isn't slavery, it's the next best thing.
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@Reality Bites
I am sure AAPL is doing quite well, but I honestly don't follow it right now. I wish that circumstances a few years ago hadn't forced me to sell all my shares.

As for slave labor? If you want to change it, then protest EVERYONE who uses foreign labor and don't buy their products. Go on, try it. Then let us know how that nudity works out for you when you walk down the street to work because you don't own a vehicle (yes Ford, GM, Chrysler, they all use inexpensive foreign labor for parts and manufacturing).
@slithytrove

+1
@clifftrapp

Right, the Chinese model of limited government oppression, model environmental practices, and quality working conditions are something to which we should aspire.
@macadam
In a virus outbreak, there is always a firstcase. Identifying that does not stop the rest of the Identification, but usually does help track further cases and sheds light on the outbreak. Apple may just be the first case. Good reporting identifies the first case (in this case it is possibly Apple). Good reporting should also clarify that they will do follow up and additional investigation, but someone has to be identified and then the public has to evaluate what that means to them (if it is important it gets traction, if it is not important it may not get traction). Hopefully the reporters continue to investigate and additional information comes out about the issues. We the consumer then have to know about the issue and care. Until we know about the issue (and eventually if it is isolated or common place) we don't know how to fully react.
@macadam
So your going with "don't single out Apple" instead of the usual Apple denial? I assume then that you admit the story is true. Don't you fanbois insist Apple is different, ie better than M$??

Apple is just another greedy American company looking to maximize their profits at the expense of whoever they can exploit and ripoff. Since they're the top dog now they fully deserve the harsh glare of the spotlight.
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@Reality Bites Apple has known about this issue for years.... THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN.
@macadam .... Apple is quite happy for their products to be made by slaves.

What's the problem, Apple stock is doing great?


So let's zero in on Apple and forget every other company that uses Foxconn - or Chinese - labor to manufacture their products. The very PC you are using was made by Chinese labor (and likely at Foxconn) if it's an HP, Sony, Leveno, Asus, Dell, etc. But that's okay because it's not an Apple product. Dolt.
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@macadam @clifftrap
Very well said indeed. I'm ashamed that I too look for "deals" that inevitably come from cheap labour somewhere else. But the economic condition cited in the article is a scary potential reality that I don't want to materialize.
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@Reality Bites Foxconn workers are of course economic migrants, uprooted - by their own people, from rural areas. Economically they are much better off, but spiritually and emotionally the are probably not.

To describe them as slaves [as you do below] is ludicrous - and an insult to real slaves.
@macadam

Of course you go after the biggest company in the world first. Who else? The 5th, the 10th. Sorry you're an Apple fan. Means more to you than factory workers conditions your precious bloody company reputation does it.
@macadam "The message is that instead of picking on one corporation because they happen to be the media darling,"

Is that why Apple was the prime suspect in the NYTimes article?
I don't think so. The article was perfectly timed to trash Apple just after a blowout quarterly announcement. Stuff like this doesn't just happen. Someone MADE this happen. This was a MAJOR propaganda win for Apple's competitors. I'm guessing Microsoft was behind it.
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Some accounting
BoneLazy 28th Jan
What I would like to know is how much a device, like the I phone would go up in cost if Its assemblers were paid a decent wage. A few years ago here in Australia there was a big move to shut down the union which covers the workers on the docks. There was a lot of Noise in the media about how these nasty warfies were ruining life for our poor farmers who had to ship wheat to other countries through the union controlled wharves. Then an Actual farmer was interviewed about how he felt. He said " of all the cost involved in Shipping my Wheat, The waterside workers are adding something like a dollar per ton to my costs. In other words, It was all a big beat up to help us feel sorry for the poor farmers when really it was the shipping companies who were wanting to increase their profits by getting cheaper labour. I have read about shirts in Korea which were made by sweat shop labour paying a dollar a shirt and then sold in designer shops for $75. Anybody have any idea how much time is involved in making an I phone? If An assembliers Payrate went from 22 dollars a day to $22 an hour, How much would that actually add to the cost of the completed device. Would people pay that difference. With the example of the shirt, if the pay went from $1 to $5 The Fancy Designer lable could still make a rather pleasant markup. Cant see them ending up in Bankruptcy court because of that wage increase. But what about our slightly more complex Electronics. How much of that price is markup. Any body got an Answer?
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It's a process
FuzzyIce 28th Jan
@macadam Agree with you. What people fail to see is that for the first time in human history, the wealthy is being shared, even though it does mean to have cheaper labor in Africa or China or else. Those workers would otherwise under worst conditions at all. At least with this industrialization of Asian countries, they can dream about a future, with education for their children and hope for a better future. Of course, it would be wonderful if everybody could have the same life standard, but we are far from it, and by manufacturing in China is a way to get closer to that. Eventually, it will become expensive to produce things there, then manufacturing will move again, maybe back to US once the possibilities are exhausted.
@macadam, you make points that are true but you must be one of these believer that think "We the people" have a voice in the matter. Contrary to what some believe, we the people do not have a voice in the matter. This is why it is important that we the people make examples out of whom ever we can when they have the center stage. This is not an attack on Apple, it's just a point in time when we the people can have our voices heard at the expense of one of the biggest offenders of "Crony Capitalism".
@marbo100 In that phone i saw that made from calafornia: http://www.technologyfazer.com/apple-launched-the-iphone-4s.html
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Love the Mao se Tung clean hats
sparkle farkle 27th Jan
@marbo100
no, really, it's not communism.
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No really it's not slavery
Reality Bites 27th Jan
@sparkle farkle ... it's not slavery..... it only looks like slavery.
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It's the part of Communism...
John L. Ries 27th Jan
@sparkle farkle
...to which apostles of Free Enterprise have no objection. As long as commercial enterprises are free to do what they want, who cares if Leninist social and political controls remain in place?
@sparkle farkle >

"Sorry Charlie, as it is said. I don't mean to be cruel but the administration of the information age has even been white washed into the digital age. Here in the USA it is very common to here the reference to corporate citizens; Intel comes to mind. But, for all of the hedge funds and billions of dollars (US) that are circulated throughout the world the 1% are well into holding 100% of the total global resources. And complete control over the flow of credit, as money supply, into the economy of each country independently. I cover the topic of the GOP's 'Republic of the People' through current events regularly on my Facebook page. It is well accepted by our republican Congressmen that we the people should not consider this a country of haves and have not's; rather, people that have and those who will soon have. The problem is just how long does one have to wait in this era of mega-petabites?"
@marbo100

Yeah, pretty much.

With Apple's incredible profits, is it really impossible to squeeze the profit margin such that these devices are built in the USA? If there was a cell phone with iphone/android-like capability built in America, I'd buy it even if it cost a bit more.
@twiddly ... they don't give a damn about America... NEVER HAVE!!!!
@twiddly
Seriously, then why buy the iphone/driod at all. If you are so concerned start buying only American made products, why only if they made a ..... blank in the USA would you buy it here - so you are not much better than Apple.
@Reality Bites
You can not be serious that you think Apple is the only offender - the people that live in USA are just as bad as every major corp. as the customers buying the products are keeping them in business and allowing the cycle to continue. As this is only a cycle - nothing new!
@Reality Bites ... To put it simply a business exists simply to create wealth. End of story. That is the only reason for a business to exist at all. So basically your complaint is that Apple who makes more than most businesses because of said success has more responsibility that those who make less to become patriotic? Or I should dislike Apple despite that fact that it's products have always given me great pleasure and ease of use because again they are a successful business? Or because Apple who is a successful business makes so much money it makes them so much more evil that other less profitable businesses despite the very real fact Apple as any company's very purpose to exist is to make money. Oh I get it.... You are the crazy one:P

Pagan jim
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@Reality Bites - Let me guess next you'll be blaming Apple for 9/11, the VA Tech massacre, Columbine, the Vietnam War, and the meteorite that killed the dinosaurs.
@twiddly
The Fair Labor Association will conduct independent inspections. Apple is the only tech manufacturer willing to allow the Fair Labor Association to do so!

There is only so much any single company can do in China.

How many americans are supporting the reinstatement of trade sanctions against countries that don't meet basic international labor and environmental standards. And if you're a GOP supporter you should just sit down and shut up!

No single company can buck the trend of producing in places like China until tariff laws enforce standards across the board. Otherwise that company would be forced into bankruptcy by its competitors. The whole situation is a Mexican-stand-off between competitors. No one can produce in more expensive high-standards counties unless everyone joins in on that same level playing field. The only possible way to coordinate such action is for governments to take legislative action internationally.

This problem, standards cheating by desperately poor or corrupt countries, is far too global and complex to be solved at a company by company level. In complexity theory such misdirected and ineffectual efforts are referred to as level mixing; trying to solve a high level systemic problem by fiddling down in the basement with low level sub-systems.

The problem is that American corporations are busy fighting to import Chinese standards rather than demand tariff protection against such abusively low labor and environmental standards.

Standards have costs, costs that force profits down to optimal levels required to support decent pay and working conditions.

Todays transnational corporate value systems are slanted towards maximum short term profits no matter what the long term cost to the sustainability of our overall communities. Changing that corporate value system to support long term, optimal, community sustaining profit levels, is a struggle that can be won only by a democratic citizenry that comprehends social structure as an organically balanced, meaning mutually interdependent, system of fair and balance exchanges between citizens, workers and corporations all formulated to optimize overall community homeostasis(sustained cyclical dynamic balance).

Presently, international corporate greed and corruption have managed a deep capture of our community values through the practice of international divide and conquer.

Transnational corporations play the needs of differing political jurisdictions, for jobs and industrial investment, off, one against the other to undermine the democratic will of the local citizenry. If a jurisdiction fails to play ball with their short term profit interests they threaten to take their jobs-ball and their corporate-investment-bat and go some where more desperately or corruptly accommodating.

These corporate leaders are themselves trapped within their own Mexican-stand-off. They must play or parish as they compete with the status quo imposed by shareholder expectations.

We are all victims of our political inability to formulate a global set of enforceable community standards capable of sustaining equitably social commerce.

The simplistic blame game is very counter productive. We are all prisoners of our time slot and roles in the flow of social-commerce evolution. It is a collective journey of trial and error.

Our collective challenge is to masterfully optimize the revolutionary scope of collaborative social-commerce that is now possible within the envelope of a network based society.

Above all else we need to keep the internet free and open at all cost.

Otherwise the citizenry, its political processes and its corporate leaders will be drawn into a network-based Mexican-stand-off greed-fest so tangled and reenforced by network-effects that we may reach terminal lock-in.
@twiddly

While you might, many would not. This has been proven time and time again. And read the NYT article. Cheap labor isn't even the primary reason Apple makes their products overseas.

FoxConn has a unique ability to scale quickly that can't be matched in the US. And for the record, with the economic conditions that make it possible for them to do so, I'd argue we don't want to be able to mirror that here.
I think if you had walked into any turn of the century (1900) factory in America it wouldn't have looked much different. We had a worker's revolution in the 20's and 30's that fixed a lot of the problems. It will happen in China too. It's an evolutionary process. This is more about the Chinese workers accepting these conditions than about the US manufacturers in my opinion.
@kevintblack No, it is about a company that spouts off a message like they're more socially conscious then they're not. That is why people are burned up, because it is Apple. You know the one that ran the 1984 commercial? You can't go around saying you're different then be the same and not expect a few hard feelings over it. Maybe if Apple came out with a new ad campaign where they were clear that they were scumbags just like the rest of the corporations then people would accept it. But they don't so we don't!
@marbo100
Do we really buy cheap stuff? If you have not noticed.... again I hate to bring.... but since the story pin points toward the Big A... end users don't get the cheap stuff... its the Big A getting the cheap stuffs from manufacturers to squeeze margins. The difference between netbook prices (all netbooks versus Macbook Air 11.6") tells the story a bit... Now, don't give the reason that MBA is not netbook. The other, despite of iPhone4 perfectly capable as seen in jail-broken sets, in order to get the personal assistant Siri, you must purchase iPhone4S. There are others in the field also and I don't intend to single out Apple, but it is a known fact that Apple gets the best deal... be it manufacturing... or service providing.... Just look at Sprint having played a biggest gamble by committing to purchase iPhones worth $5 (I am subjected to correction) by 2014-15 that may take them down if lost. There are many more instances. Because of their excellent marketing abilities and playing with the psyche of the consumers (the economy of elitism) along with well designed/integrated products (not innovated or discovered as claimed; at least the makers of file "The Lord of the Rings" were modest in accepting that all the technologies already exist and they just made better use of them) and unethical ways of stifling competition, they are in advantage. But the point is, while they play this to their advantage, somewhere somebody else is in disadvantageous situation because of the game. It all boils down to the value system that is the guiding force. If the value is all about money, in short run, they are winners. If the principle of capitalism is regulated/governed by broader and long-term goals, including earning money, they would learn the hard way. But as I said, since it is not only Apple, we all collectively taking things towards something that is formed completely devoid of cooperation. It is up to us to think whether such is progressive evolution or regressive.
The historical reference should be Germany after World War I, not WWII. Look it up.
@clifftrap

You seem to live in a bubble or not really to understand the world. I agree that they are not technically slaves, but it is a relative concept. Do you rather to make $17(a good salary in China) a day and work under conditions that would not be allowed anywhere else? That is one of their competitive advantage, being able to pay those low salaries while taking advantage of people. No slavery in the old way, but a horrible thing in general.

Your rant against federal government simply makes no sense. This kind of abuse(competitive advantage) in china is sponsored by the government, and most of those factories were created or sponsored by the Chinese Government. Thus, those jobs moved there because of the direct government intervention, not the other way.
Remove federal government and minimum wage laws would do nothing for this country. In order to be competitive we would need to be able to have minimum wages of $2 per hour. How many Americans would pursue these jobs? Shall we bring more Mexicans to take them? Would it create an economic deflation? Do America really wants those no added value jobs back?

Get out of the bubble and think beyond.
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@marbo100 Yup. It seems like Larry's saying since everyone else is doing it why are you picking on Apple? It's not fair. Really? He's saying that HP also uses them, but between Apple and HP who has the 97 Billion in the bank? The extraordinary profit that Apple has made for years now is why they are being held to account for their corporate greed that has contributed to these horrible issues in China.

Larry, these people working in Foxconn are there because of necessity, not choice. It's not a choice when that's the only means to feed yourself even though in the end it might result in committing suicide and several have done that at Foxconn.

Apple wants to have their cake and eat it too. It's not the consumer that's to blame, it's Apple. It starts with Apple. The fact that they make so much profit points to the fact that the consumer is not buying Apple products because their inexpensive. Apple is not operating on razor thin margins. They can afford to have Foxconn keep more of the profit to improve working conditions there.

It's not that we, the consumer, don't want to see the warts. It's Apple that doesn't want us to see them. Having an informed consumer is part of capitalism as well. To that extent Apple needs to be more transparent about how their products are made. If Apple is truly proud of their product they should be able to defend how it's made as well and not just how it looks or performs. If companies started telling us what goes on behind the scenes then consumers can redefine that things they take into account when they buy a given product. It might not just be about looks and performance, but about what went into it to make it as well.

Capitalisms as a whole would benefit from that and in the age of digital communications it would be easier to do than ever before.
@marbo100 Lets not forget that we do not stand a chance to be more productive either. Which is not true, but whatever.
@marbo100 Nice faux outrage. What you are really mad about is that someone has pissed all over your anti-Apple parade which you were sure was airtight because hey, who doesn't feel bad for Chinese workers? But since the problem is actually endemic to the entire tech industry, you don't get to look down on Apple with as much of a superiority complex as you'd like...
@marbo100 The Apple supply chain could be stopped by samsung's upcoming release this one: http://www.technologyfazer.com/samsung-confirms-galaxy-s3.html
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use_what_works_4_U 27th Jan
I've been saying something like this for a long time, mostly in response to the ignorant "I won't buy Apple because..." remarks which show no knowledge of the breadth of this issue. I'm glad to see the magnitude of the problem being exposed.
@macadam

If the author is right, he still did not mention the suicides. Or is that because the workers are giddy with joy...
Foxconn employs 800,000 people. That's right EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND. To sit here and say that a dozen out of EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND threatening suicide is proof of slave labor camps demonstrates nothing other than an inability to think.
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@HypnoToad72 Actually there are over a million employees in Foxconn and the employment rate is growing faster than ever.
@HypnoToad72 and there are no suicides in the good ol' us of a?
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@HypnoToad72 Okay what about the suicides? Yes it was sad. No it did NOT happen in just the Foxconn plant that makes Apple products - wasn't it at the plant that makes X-Boxes that a bunch of them threatened to suicide? You and that Reality Bites troll need to step back and look at the larger picture - that there are a lot of companies using Chinese labor - and stop zooming in on Apple due to your religious bias.
There is a big difference, Apple makes way more per product sold than any of the other companies... they could easily afford to offer their products at the same price and ensure that all steps in the supply chain are fair. They choose with Cook to set this chain up because they were really a small dog at the time. However, the last decade has left them in a position to reverse some of those decisions or at least make sure that everyone is compensated. If other companies were making the margins they are I would agree, but no one else is.

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