Between the Lines

Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Dear Apple: Please fix our MacBook WiFi issues. Love, MacBook users

By | October 20, 2011, 9:06am PDT

Summary: Having WiFi issues with your new MacBook Air like I am? Hop aboard the “WiFi issue” train and let’s see if we can put the press (no pun intended) on Apple to actually do something about it!

Problem?

Problem?

I don’t know about you, but I’m getting really tired of the WiFi issues I’ve been experiencing with my MacBook Air ever since I purchased it 2-3 months ago. For me, it was one of those deals where I hadn’t heard a single thing about this whole WiFi problem until after the fact, and now, all I’ve been doing is keeping up with the countless other individuals experiencing this problem not just with MacBook Airs, but MacBook Pros as well.

On Apple’s support community forum, there are a number of active threads regarding this prevalent problem (see here and here). The amazing thing to me is how new this problem is NOT. I thought it was an issue unique to the latest version of the MacBook Air (the one I have that I’m experiencing issues with), but apparently not, what with the two threads noted above being started in November 2010 and January 2008, respectively.

As of now, the overwhelming consensus by owners actively trying to fix the issue themselves is that it’s software-based — somewhere between a Bluetooth/WiFi conflict and Lion itself. According to one user from this thread on Apple’s support forum: “The irony, in bootcamp the wifi reconnects like a charm” after resuming from standby, which seems to be the root cause of the issue many are experiencing (including me).

Lion update after Lion update since July, release notes have noted a fix pertaining to WiFi issues, yet after every successful installation of said updates, the issues persist for many, including myself. With that said, it’s only fair to note that some users have chimed in with success stories after updating to the latest version, Lion 10.7.2 (see here and here).

To be honest, I’m kind of baffled by the fact that this is such a prevalent issue. At best, one of the WiFi fixes — with its vaguely-worded description — will magically fix the issue in a future update. At worst, this single issue exploits the whole “Apple products are consistently and supremely stable because their hardware and software are developed in unison and in controlled environments” thing.

“It just works”? Not quite.

Now, I understand the M.O. of companies who refuse to acknowledge faults in their products while actively pursuing solutions in a short-term capacity, but it would be really awesome to MacBook end-users if Apple — after all the time that has passed with this WiFi issue persisting — would at least say, “we understand you’re all having these issues and we’re trying our best to replicate them and solve them.”

Perhaps that’s an unrealistic and unreasonable request, since the issue may not actually be as widespread as the Internet has a way of making things seem. But it seems to me that it’s at least widespread enough to address. Hopping on Twitter to do a quick search, there are plenty of people reaching out there and looking for a solution (see here and here). Never mind Facebook and enthusiast forums.

Honestly, I would be willing to go so far as to offer my MacBook Air to Apple so they can get their hands on an actual unit that’s having the issues many of us are having. And before you say to take it to the “Geniuses” at an Apple store, a journey through those threads I linked to above yields unsuccessful results by those who have already ventured that route — sans ones like this, to which only a very temporary solution was applied.

Maybe there is a solution out there that preferably doesn’t require downgrading (one of the only solutions I’ve seen that appears to work for a number of people), to which I welcome your contributions. As a tech writer, my reach is but so far, but it’s certainly much farther than the everyday MacBook user’s. And though it aggravates me that it sometimes takes a red flag post like this on ZDNet to try to get a response from an 800-pound gorilla like Apple, being one of those affected by an issue so many have experienced for so long has motivated me to do just that: throw up a big, ginormous red flag.

So, Apple? Please fix our MacBook WiFi issues.

Loooove,
MacBook users

Are you a MacBook user who is experiencing WiFi issues as well? Or, are you perhaps one of the lucky folks who was experiencing WiFi issues but no longer do after a recent update? Please share your experiences with us below! Maybe, just maybe, Apple will see this and show us all some love.

-Stephen Chapman

Related Content:

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily e-mail newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Topics

Stephen is a freelance writer based in Charlotte, NC.

Disclosure

Stephen Chapman

Stephen Chapman is a freelance writer and content strategist. All work that Stephen does for ZDNet is on a contractual basis.

It is left to Stephen's discretion whether or not to accept assignments from prospective clients who discover him through ZDNet. Such endeavors have no association with ZDNet and, unless otherwise agreed upon, are kept separate and private in the interest of all parties involved. You may freely contact him for consulting, training, and/or public speaking inquiries.

While Stephen may accept complimentary passes, waived fees, payment, and/or covered travel costs to industry-related events (conferences, expos, etc.) as an attendee or a speaker, acceptance of such offers is not considered payment for, or exclusive guarantee of, any particular blog coverage of the event attended.

Biography

Stephen Chapman

Stephen is a freelance writer based in Charlotte, NC.
58
Comments

Join the conversation!

Just In

Same problem with Snow Leopard
CynicFromRG! 29th Feb
We have two WiFi routers, one main Cable/router in the study and another Devolo one at the other side of the house. My 11in MB Air knows about them both but when I close the lid or it goes to sleep, it forgets where it is and tries to connect to the other one. More seriously, it has just started losing all connection after a few minutes and I have to restart OS X to get it back. I will be off to the Apple shop again today. They reinstalled Snow Leopard last time I was there and now it is worse. The irony is that a very old PowerBook G4 sits happily connected to the WiFi and gives no problems whatsoever - it is running Tiger.
0 Votes
+ -
If there was a problem with WiFi, Apple wouldn't sell so many macbooks.
@toddybottom: Just because yours works, doesn't mean others don't have a probelm. I have this same problem - reconnecting to "preferred" networks coming out of standby. My previous MBA (fall 2010 version) was fine. My new one is terrible. Same problem at home and work networks, very intermittent. I have been on the phone more than 4 hours with apple with no joy. They refuse to send me a replacement and I am just about fed up.
0 Votes
+ -
@kevin_talbot
Very few people were affected by antennagate so it simply isn't worth it to do anything.

Besides, every single WiFi enabled computer has trouble reconnecting to networks coming out of standby. This isn't an Apple only thing so to point the finger at Apple is simply not fair.
@toddybottom
I have never had any issues with Wifi on any Windows computer I ever owned or used. When i come back from standby I am up and running within seconds and wifi is usually connected by the time I login. And by the way Consumer Reports could not recommend the iPhone 4 because of antennagate, so to say only a few were affected is not true and is why Apple gave out so many cases and redesigned the antenna in the 4S. You are exactly the people I am talking about that claim up and down that nothing is wrong even if it slapped you right in the face.
@kevin_talbot: I also have this problem. Also, the speed slow down occasionally. I've tested these issues on 3 different networks. And in Windows (via BootCamp) I do not have these issues. That tells me it's not the hardware but software.
@toddybottom
I think its clear there is a problem. As he stated if he goes into boot camp it works like a charm, so its obviously a software issue and not hardware. Also Mac users have a very hush hush approach to admitting of any problems ever which does give many a sense of confidence when buying their products, but trust me they are not without their issues. Frankly just about every product on earth at sometime will have issues, but Apple does seem to enjoy a very high level of avoidance around issues with their products. People just don't like to talk about it much.
@OhTheHumanity: ... who changes his nickname like twice a year (when everyone else is already ignoring him as troll so he had to start "anew" with new nickname).
If you do believe it, say so.

If you don't believe it then I'm clearly not trolling since I'm stating a fact that you agree with.
@DeRSSS
I can guess from your statement that you have nothing better to say since you know that what I am saying is exactly the truth. Next time try sticking to the topic and not taking things all personal man. Troll or not, the facts are the facts and really you can call me the worst things in the world and it won't affect me one bit. Sorry!
@toddybottom I've got a MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPad and a Lenovo T510 (my work laptop) at home.
I've got the wifi problem with all three of my apple devices, no problems whatsoever with the PC.
There IS a problem, you better believe it.
I think Apple should not be using "It just works" slogan any more, as almost every day I see some issues (like the one with that trojan and now this and some fan nose etc)
@AdnanPirota Trust me compared to other brands, it really does just work!!
0 Votes
+ -
THAT'S THE SPIRIT!!!
UrNotPayingAttention 20th Oct
@Hasam1991

Trust me compared to other brands, it really does just work!!
There you go!

"We measure our success based on failure of the other brand!"

"...except the other brand has ~90% marketshare"

"...wait plain "
I've had Wi-Fi issues on my MacBook Pro for the last few months when attempting to connect to some routers (but not all) since I upgraded to Lion. I don't know if the issues are related are not, but I understand the frustration!
How DARE you question us! These aren't the droids you're looking for.

-Tim Cook
Sent from my iPad.
@Cylon Centurion LAME!
0 Votes
+ -
Bad Hardware
Big Sparky 20th Oct
There have been a number of Apple products that have experienced WiFi issues at, and after, launch. This is because Apple uses the Broadcom chipset for WiFi in all their devices. That's because it's one of the cheapest on the market and to compensate, most of the work has to be done in software (think win modems from back in the day). So when Apple decides to go for a little quality over maximizing the profit margin (they make most of their products for about half what you pay), there will be improvements.

Also, well done with the trollface.
@Big Sparky
You are correct, its amazing how their hardware is second class hardware, but people pay first class prices for it. If they cared about the user experience they would take a few percentages from the 50% margins they make and get a good product in the users hands. But Apple doesn't have to worry as people just accept it is first class hardware without even knowing.
0 Votes
+ -
really?
oneleft 20th Oct
@OhTheHumanity
what products are you referring to? ipads? seems to me that comparably spec'd tablets from competitors have no price advantage. how about the air's? ultrabooks are having problems matching the apple price and intel is also helping them out.
so where are you getting this 50% from? since you call out other people for not knowing then enlighten us.
@oneleft

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-4-iphone-4g-phone-3g-phone,news-10096.html

Says it costs about 180 to make an iPhone 4, they get the carrier to buy the phone from them for upwards of 600 dollars. Then consider that the boost in flash storage only costs about another 10-20 bucks in parts (at the most), and they tack on another 100 to the consumer. This is a nifty investigative tool: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+manufacturing+costs
@oneleft
I am not comparing other products, just saying they make 50% margins on their stuff so maybe they could take a few percentage hits to that big margin and make a product that "just works".
LOL. Apple doesn't care about you, are you kidding? Their bread and butter is iPhone/iPad. You Macbook users are a waste of effort for them.
@Droid101

They don't even care about them! Remember "Try holding it a different way"?
I've had this problem with my 2009 MacBook Pro since I bought it. Sometimes when I come out of standby/sleep, the Wi-Fi refuses to work, and the only way to get it working again is to put it to sleep and wake it up again. Sometimes it requires a reboot, which is much more of a hassle. I'm really annoyed by it. I started out with 10.6.6 and hoped it would get fixed by now, but even after upgrades to 10.6.7, 10.6.8, and now 10.7.2, I still have the same problem. Please fix this, Apple!
I have no evidence of the problem but I feel that my MacBookAir has a wifi problem. I believe, as an article of faith, that despite being less than 10 feet from the access point, the MacBookAir takes frequent "mental vacations". The symptom is the frisbee, non-responsiveness, and giant slow down. Doesn't matter what one does, it eventual resumes from "vacation". I have a windoze netbook that I use while I am waiting. On my blog, I list the MacBookAir as "NOTRECOMMENDED" and wouldnever buy another Apple product. (TIMEMACHINE soured me.) I'm not to happy with WINDOZE either. I guess I'm on my way to LINUX. Argh! Very frustrating.
0 Votes
+ -
@reinkeffcc

So use Linsux if it makes you happy.
There does appear to be an incompatibility between Macs and some WiFi routers. I had constant problems with dropped connections every 30-60 minutes on MBPro with 2Wire AT&T router. Windows laptops worked just fine. I replaced the router with $20 DLink and don't have the problem anymore.
I was not able to figure out whether the router or the MacBook was at fault though.
0 Votes
+ -
Airport routers just work
toddybottom 20th Oct
@Scrabbler
I recommend to all my Mac friends that they purchase an Airport router. Going with an all Apple solution usually works better in the long run.
@toddybottom
Doing the same things everyone slamed Microsoft for doing. Seems we have a new villan in town. Of course it will work with our router all the time. Its also no wonder that iTunes is one of the most vulnerable pieces of software in existance and is very buggy with the Windows version. Ahhh just get a Mac that will solve it!
Upgraded my 3 GS to iOS 5 two nights ago. Yes, first updated iTunes to 10.5, did a backup. After letting its lengthy processes run, I would up with a phone running iOS 5, and everything restore except...the single most critical data: my contacts! Tried ALL the restore options, scoured the online support forums...nothing worked. Today, tried sending my first iOS 5 text message...Messaging keeps crashing! Again, tried all options/suggestions, to no avail.

This is the single most half-azzed release from Apple in recent memory. And support is amazingly lacking -- amounting to "unless you pay us, you're stuck with online forums". I already paid you -- to the tune of hundreds of dollars!!! Is this the vaunted "Apple user experience"??? I'll leave it from here on out.... sad
@techboy_z

You're using it wrong.

...sorry, couldn't resist
I have zero issues with my MacBook Air... I use a Cisco / Linksys N Router in N mode onlyproblem and it never drops or anything.
0 Votes
+ -
Exactly the same issues
muchomanas 20th Oct
I too am having wifi problems with my MBA mid-2011. When I first recieved it, it worked great. The problems started around the 10.7.1 update. The issues I had were a wifi drop that lasted between 5-20 minutes (all other devices connected on my wifi worked fine so I know it wasn't a router/Airport Express problem). This usually occurred after a cold boot or on wake-up. Since 10.7.2, I have started receiving a different type of issue, I no longer get the drop, but when I start my machine or resume after sleep, the wifi fails to reconnect automatically... I have to disable it and re-enable it manually.

I am using an Airport Express for my wifi and I also have Little Snitch 2.4.4.
Pfft, you guys are clearly holding it the wrong way.
0 Votes
+ -
@xeptf4
wink
0 Votes
+ -
Not so much hold
rhonin 21st Oct
@William Farrell
But you do need to have the correct alignment to the earths magnetic field.

Oh, and elevation but that is still tbd... wink
Mine failed to reconnect once coming out of standby, was rather surprised and certainly annoyed by it, especially given than even an iMac G4 I own that was built years ago handles reconnecting out of standby with absolute ease and without a single failure that I can recall. Then again my 2011 iMac i5 restarted last week as I was using the delete key to delete one email. Seems the first gen of any new Mac, make that every new Mac I've owned, always has issues, bugs, quirks, and eventually needs repair. I was discussing this with an Apple rep during a tech call to document the weird iMac mail delete restart, to which he chuckled and agreed; better to wait 6-12 months before buying the latest Mac.
0 Votes
+ -
maybe too early
oneleft 20th Oct
to say and i should just keep quiet but no problems here yet.
upgraded to lion roughly 3 weeks ago. take my macbook air to work and run it from my verizon lte 4g hotspot all day and then home on my wireless.
one restaurant at georgetown u i go too occasionally and no problems there either.

any indication of specific models having problems? mine's the original 11 incher.
0 Votes
+ -
Showoff
toddybottom 20th Oct
@oneleft
"mine's the original 11 incher"
I complained about this same issue on ZDnet with the iPad months ago. But again the Apple maniacs don't want to listen. They like to forgive Apple for serious issues.
I eventually returned my iPad. When I returned it the technician at the store told me has seen the same issue with other iPads. Now I am padless... At this point I really don't think a need one.
I am PISSED a being told in System Profile that I have no WiFi installed when I just spent hundred+ bucks plus the time and trouble to get to the Apple store to FIX THE TROUBLE.

This is beginning to enter the fraud territory.

Did they do anything or not? According to their own system report THEY DID NOT.

I'm out the cost of repairs and NOTHING CHANGED... If this was a car repair, I'd sue under the "Lemon Laws" in New York.
Got a Macbook Pro 2-3 months ago running Snow Leopard. Wireless does not work reliably at all(can't get IP address) on my office network. No one else with Windows or Mac has any problems. IT says they can't help much with Macs. Will try upgrading to Lion soon. On home network my DSL link resets a lot(but wireless link always works) only when I use Mac. Windows laptop works fine. It reset just now while I was typing this comment happy
...and here I was thinking Macs "just work" plain
0 Votes
+ -
FIX (at least for me)
aagzz 21st Oct
I don't own a macbook air but I had a similar problem with my macbook pro (late 2009)
http://www.switchingtomac.com/tutorials/hardware/fix-for-mac-os-x-10-7-lion-wi-fi-dropouts-and-inconsistency/

There is also a terminal command you can execute which I have also used but I can't remember the exact command.
I had the WiFi issue and is reason I no longer own a Macbook Air. I don't know why people put up with such bad support tbh. My PC works great and I replaces the Air with a much cheaper device which had better battery life and works great.
@jhughesy

Well in my case it was due to an update I applied on the system (this can go wrong sometimes). But in general I have had a very good experience with the macbook pro, I guess is just a matter of what suits you or not.
0 Votes
+ -
Seems to me anyone with enough time and curiosity could simply rebuild the machine to Windows 7 and see if that works better with wifi. Then, at least you would know if it was a hardware or software issue.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised there is such a long thread built over 3 years with no one even attempting this yet.
I too am having the wifi connectivity issue. It began when I installed Lion. We also have an iMac running Snow Leopard and numerous iOS devices, and none have problems connecting to our AirPort. Calls to Apple tech support are fruitless, as their fixes don't actually fix the problem. Still waiting for a solution.
I have a macbook air 11 and the wifi is working fine but I have 10.6.8 on it. My iMac on the other hand I upgraded to lion and even with the new fix my wifi stalls or drops off regularly. I finally went back to wired. No way will I upgrade the air until this issue is fixed. As noted by others it seems to be clearly a s/w issue related to lion.
0 Votes
+ -
You know Apple has had a history of WiFi issues. I have a mix of PC's and Mac's and have had a few routers from Netgear, Linksys, and Apple. None of my PC's ever had a problem with any of them. But at least one Apple product always had issue. I was amazed at how my latest Airport Extreme had such issues after only a year of use. It typically lost WiFi at least once a day according to its logs. I finally ditched it for a Netgear. Still having those problems with my 2010 Macbook Air and Lion. 10,7.2 did not fix it for me. It still has to churn and reconnect after sleep. My issue to me is Apple does not fix firmware often enough and these continuing issues with Wifi just reinforces my feeling that Apple feels the problem is not their hardware but your network.
0 Votes
+ -
Same problem with Snow Leopard
CynicFromRG! 29th Feb
We have two WiFi routers, one main Cable/router in the study and another Devolo one at the other side of the house. My 11in MB Air knows about them both but when I close the lid or it goes to sleep, it forgets where it is and tries to connect to the other one. More seriously, it has just started losing all connection after a few minutes and I have to restart OS X to get it back. I will be off to the Apple shop again today. They reinstalled Snow Leopard last time I was there and now it is worse. The irony is that a very old PowerBook G4 sits happily connected to the WiFi and gives no problems whatsoever - it is running Tiger.

Join the conversation!

Formatting +
BB Codes - Note: HTML is not supported in forums
  • [b] Bold [/b]
  • [i] Italic [/i]
  • [u] Underline [/u]
  • [s] Strikethrough [/s]
  • [q] "Quote" [/q]
  • [ol][*] 1. Ordered List [/ol]
  • [ul][*] · Unordered List [/ul]
  • [pre] Preformat [/pre]
  • [quote] "Blockquote" [/quote]
ie8 fix

The best of ZDNet, delivered

ZDNet Newsletters

Get the best of ZDNet delivered straight to your inbox

Facebook Activity

White Papers, Webcasts, & Resources
ie8 fix