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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Facebook tries to box in Google+ as so five years ago

By | July 7, 2011, 2:08am PDT

Summary: If you listened closely enough to Facebook’s rollout of video chat with Skype you would quickly surmise the subtext to the powwow: Google+ is so five years ago.

If you listened closely enough to Facebook’s rollout of video chat with Skype to the press you would quickly surmise the subtext to the powwow. The theme: Social networking is becoming about quality experiences and being a platform. In other words, the user land grab was so five years ago. Therefore, Google+ is so five years ago.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg kicked off the unveiling of the Skype partnership with a bit of a lecture on social networking. Social networking is at a crossroads in its evolution. “There’s a clear arc, where the world generally believes it is going to be everywhere,” said Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg showed some nifty slides on how Facebook was enabling connections between its 750 million users.

At some point, everyone on the planet will be connected to a social network. The trend over the next five years will be about building on top of this social network, according to Zuckerberg. Best in class music, gaming, search and communication services will be built on top of social infrastructure. These services will be inherently social.

Notice what Zuckerberg did here. First, he notes the land grab is over. Subtext: Just give up Google. Then, he talks services on top of a social graph. Exhibit A: Zynga. Exhibit B: Skype. And then he downplays 750 million users as a hedge just in case Facebook growth slows and Google+ makes some headway. Note that Facebook growth is already slowing in developed markets.

The general theme is that Facebook rivals will be stuck in the amassing users stage. While rivals are trying to grab users, Facebook will be onto the next big thing: Being a social app platform.

It’s a worthwhile strategy for Facebook, but there are a few flaws to the premise. For starters, Google has billions of users and Google+ is the real deal. I’ve been on Google+ for roughly a week and it’s the most credible social effort from the company by far. I never understood Wave and was turned off by Google Buzz in minutes. Google+ is actually keeping me interested and the mobile integration with Android is stellar. Granted, some of this may be Google+’s approach to friends—it’s easy to categorize them into various Circles. For someone who has a mess of a Facebook account and no patience to fix it, Google+ represents a handy do-over.

What’s unclear is whether it’s really game over in Facebook’s favor. Google’s angle into Google+ is Gmail. You see your account and there’s a little box of notifications. That integration keeps you on Google properties longer—probably the real goal anyway. Google photos and other properties are also nicely integrated with the search giant’s social service. When Google+ opens to the public it will grab a lot of users. Here’s what Google has to work with to bolster Google+ according to comScore data:

  • 222 million unique visitors to Gmail globally;
  • A 38 percent of U.S. smartphone subscribers—another 28.9 million people—via Android, which is integrated with Google+;
  • 180 million unique visitors a month to Google properties in the U.S.
  • Toss in users of services like the soon-to-be-renamed Picasa and Blogger and Google+ integration abounds.

Add it up and Google can go through the social land grab phase very quickly. The company won’t land 750 million users overnight, but 150 million won’t be all that surprising. The big question is whether Google+ retains active users and bolsters sharing on its network. The interface is there, but others have noted that it’s unclear whether folks will simply jump from Facebook.

Zuckerberg’s job: Give customers a reason to stick with Facebook over the long haul. Over the next five years, Facebook has to continue to acquire users, give them social applications that delight and increase usage as a platform. Google is already a platform in many areas, but has to connect the social dots. If Facebook can box in Google it will have a nice head start on the next five years. Consider Facebook’s strategy to be a nice mix of offense and defense.

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RE: Facebook tries to box in Google as so five years ago
MILANY 22nd Nov
Well competition is always there, anywhere, now the really in the web is facebook, but most of the professionals are using really google plus. so great innovation, and great features, so whatever stand after five years, then we will see and use it.

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The same factors that you cite for Google+ working (220 mil email users, 180 million users, Android, etc., all existed for Wave and Buzz. Yes, they can be leveraged but lets not overplay them.

Facebook + Skype + Hotmail + XBox + WP7 vs. Google+ + Gmail + Android.

I'd prolly put my money on the FB/Windows combo.
@retnep
Don't sell out to the giant.
@retnep I never liked Facebook (always felt like a toy), I couldn't care less for Skype. I'm in Canada and here we can't get a Skype number, so it's of no real use. I got sick of Hotmail years ago when I always got more spam than a spam canning factory. As for xbox, it's game console and that's all I use it for.

As for WP7, before the Nokia thing I knew it wasn't going to gain any traction, and it still hasn't. It'll be interesting to see what happens once Nokia starts launching their phones.
@cbstryker Stop visiting porn sites and you won't be getting tons of spam you deluded idiot. Hotmail is not only far bigger than Gmail, it's also better.
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@cbstryker
I'm in Canada. Always been in Canada. I have no comment on Facebook beyond the fact its over hyped, but it seems to be doing pretty well at what it claims to do but needs improvement.

Again, I'm not a Skype expert but have used it several times for video conferencing with people in the U.S.

Been a Hotmail user since 2000. I have an email account with every major email service and the rest have always been clunky and always at least a touch less intuitive or feature lacking and I use them still, and that where the spam goes. Hotmail is the only serious email service as far as I'm concerned.

Given the rest of your outlook, I find it pointless to comment about your opinions on WP7. Its pointless because its become very very clear that WP7 is a throw away as nothing more then a doorstop placeholder for the Windows name in the smartphone market. Its a gamble MS was forced into by misreading the game changing effect touch computing was going to have particularly in the smartphone market. WP7 was not a real response to the new shape of the market and as such anyone who still is trying to claim it was is delusional, and that include MS if you can find a current claim by them that WP7 is a competitive operating system for touch smartphone.

Just wait until Win8 and if they cant show some a$$ kicking performance with that, they had best bow out completely or in the alternative bow out long enough to resurface with a competitive advanced and dynamic mobile OS.
@joeHTH lol :))
Most people have several email accounts. One for junk and one for the "real" thing. The same will happen with social networks. Facebook will be the junk profile and the important things people will do with Google+.
It's just a matter of time, Google will win
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@shellcodes_coder Google is printing money from "leveraging" their current user base. Anything else/beyond is just more fodder for "the algorithm." Despite 750 million active users I don't see FB making the money off advertising that Google has. Of course I could be wrong, but until we see some quarterly and annual numbers from FB no one knows for sure. Of course that won't be until after Facebook goes public in 2012, so the bloggers will have plenty to write about until then.
@matthew_maurice LOL! If Google is printing money, what is Microsoft and Apple doing when they make far more revenue and far more profit than Google. They will crush Google like the scummy little worm they are.
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@JoeHTH Apple is in a totally different business, despite their boutique iAds shop, and Microsoft has lost more money on it's online business than most companies can hope to ever make. Google isn't overly worried about either of them. Facebook makes it nervous, and surely the Zuckster annoys the Hell out of Pagey & Brin. But I think they both clearly feel in charge of their company's destiny.
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facebook + skype( a M$ lame property) have no chance against the innovation coming from google!
Zuckerberg & Ballmer start your copiers!
@Linux Geek

What innovation....Wave, Buzz, Gears...Google+ = 10 year beta, no thanks. AGF!!!
@Linux Geek The only innovation that ever came from google is their original search engine (and even that is debatable). All other products are just copies from other companies:
Hotmail --> Gmail
MS Office --> Google Docs
iPhone --> Android
Mappy (and others) --> Google Maps
Facebook --> Google+
etc...
Point is, when they see some succes in a certain area they just wait for a while, see what the users like/dislike about the product and then implement their own version with the wanted enhancements. This is offcourse a clever business model and it delivers great products. But to call it innovative?
@belli_bettens@... actually, most features implemented in Google Sites (and other Google Apps) are copied from Microsoft Sharepoint, etc.
@Linux Geek
To quote Elop, 'two bicycle makers from Dayton Ohio once decided to fly'. Give them a chance & let's see. Anyway, it's always for the better of us consumers.
I just dont understand, why you Linux folks are such great Google supporters. They dont even contribute the code from Android back in time.
@mm71, the answer is simple: Google is NOT evil.
@Linux Geek

Do you mean all the innovation that now allows Microsoft to collect patent fees from Google?$ OEMs?

Google?$ strategy = (Copy everyone else?s innovation) + (give it away for free) + (Collect user?s data for $) + (Advertisement)
Doesn't matter. I'm not on FB and I won't get a Google+ account despite me liking what I have heard so far.
@Bates_ Exactly...there is absolutely no need for FB in people's lifes. Mr FB CEO should always remind people the the company he runs is based on an idea he stole from two people who hired him to do work for them. How can he tout social anything where everything he is selling is based on theft?
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It's not just the number of users.
matthew_maurice 7th Jul
It's the quality of users. Facebook has impressive global reach, and as we've seen from the "Arab Spring" an amazing ability to facilitate change. The issue is that Google, particularly with Android users, and more importantly iPhone app users, has access to a more affluent user base. One only has to compare the ads one sees on Facebook to those served up on a Google service to see the difference.
@matthew_maurice
The real test will be when Google opens this up to federation (GTalk voice / video is already there) and publishes the specs for everything. Once Yahoo! and some locals like Naver or Baidu can leverage the same global user base, things should get interesting.
Another source of finding out what your friends are eating for dinner? Wow, no thanks!
@nothingness That's actually why I like Google+. I follow people who post things that interest me, not those who know me, and at the same time I can stay connected to friends. The best of both worlds.
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Google Hangouts
justthisguyyouknow 7th Jul
Google scooped Facebook with Google Hangouts, which allows up to 10 people to videochat at the same time, and they didn't even make a big deal out of it. Facebook is so 2 weeks ago!
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So it is back to basics then...
Luis Morais 7th Jul
... and screw Zuckerberg with what he thinks.

We are not after new features nor teletransportation, we are after the basic stuff Facebook will not give us:

- Freedom to do what I want with my data including ease to port my posts, photos and friends
- Freedom to choose whether I want to join in their experiments or not, without being forced to join without my knowledge or consent
- Privacy
- A better and more close to reality social experience

The ones who sounded outdated were Facebook and Skype, making a fuss about something that is commonplace nowadays. They don' get it.
@Luis Morais

Good luck with that, google and privacy don't go together any better than facebook and privacy.
Google has had video chat and voice chat for a long time through gchat. Clearly that's already integrated into Gmail and is integrated through "Hangouts"
Love Google - they should buy Yelp and other verticals that deal in reputation more than quantity. They will get the percentage of the masses that are actually interested in the vertical which is where the sales are concentrated. Yelp is special because they let user's select the verticals to review.
G+ looked like it is formatted for phones. I have not played with it, so it is a perspective of static things. Facebook has the platform ... if they want to change how interacting with that platform is done they can.

I would actually like the Google circles thing. That could become a part of web 2.0. It's not like Google invented the social network ... how could they add circles with any relative protection? They can't. Circles are fair game.
Facebook came a long way from non interest to mega use in a short time. If you think what happened to Myspace can't happen to FB, think again. The sheeple go where the grass is greener and often for no particular reason rather 'lets try something new for a change' Anyone who thinks they've captured the market forever is living in cuckoo land. Will it be google+ or a revamped Yahoo even, or perhaps one of the awesome stealth ideas being generated by Brainspace.me developing totally personalized web spaces that allow the user complete control of their own space. There are ideas being developed that will blow the socks of FB, but will they ever catch the mood of the masses? Its like trying to accurately forecast long term weather.
@Anixia
This is right along the lines of the point I was going to make. Facebook overshadowed MySpace in only a short time. If Google+ can bring the features and ease of use, then there is no reason that Facebook cannot be put into the same situation as MySpace--scrounging to be relevant.
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One company for many solutions...?
Seems like a good deal so long as your not paranoid...
I'm not really bothered either way about this alleged 'war' between Google and Facebook. Facebook has a limited role in my life organising events and collating social activities; it used to have a more central place but I have a professional life, and time is a commodity that's too short to waste on frivolity. I dare not put anything very personal on FB, as I am deeply aware of the risk to my career and job prospects with content in or around my profile. I don't trust Facebook security to keep my information secure.

On top of that, Facebook is so messy. Noisy. Cluttered and full of junk. It takes so many clicks to navigate around, and it's time consuming. Every 3 months the interface has changed, and today I still don't know how to do a lot of things I used to be able to do easily when I first discovered it. I don't say that as an anti-facebook thing, just as a pragmatic observation. I know I could find out how to do those things, but I don't care. I won't be spending the time, because I don't see the value of investing time in Facebook. These days it feels like such an effort to organise and stay on top of, so I don't bother. I've deleted most of my photos, and repeatedly had to re-create my security settings, apart from that the only use I have for it is to set up social events and birthday reminders, and share content with those who still see my occasional posts on their wall.

Also, filtering the nuggests from the junk in facebook is cumbersome. In the midst of all the noise, there is stuff I'd like to know about, but the effort I have to expend to filter that out is too much for the perceived reward.

I want something lean, easy to organise and segregate, and which is part of my existing activity flows. And, I especially sure as hell don't want my boss, workmates, or anyone else but my inner circle of friends seeing what I don't explicitly want them to see. If google+ can pull off something that gives me the social event organising ability, segregation of who sees what, and granular content restriction controls between my private and professional lives, I'm in.

Now, if I can look up product reviews and opinions of others on things I'm looking at and searching for with as few clicks as possible, this will save me a lot of time, and without a shadow of a doubt become an integral part of my life. (think: opinions on a local restaurant in google maps; motorcycle repair workshop feedback in googlemaps/search; customer feedback on quality of service of local businesses; and just recently - user feedback on the quality of an aftermarket kickstand for my motocross bike which saved me from buying a product I thought was quality but was junk. The user reviews referred me to a BETTER product which was on sale elsewhere for only a tiny bit extra. This kind of stuff is invaluable.)

Then, being able to 'share' that information with all the people in my 'bike' and 'motocross' circles IN 1 CLICK without having to leave the activity stream I'm currently in... wow. That is bloody brilliant.
@Shinsengumi
I believe this is what the Brainspace.me project is developing. Its still in stealth mode, not even ready for beta release, but a friend of mine is working on aspects of it. A way to link your own space with everything that interests you. Not sure when its going live but its a very exciting idea, your personal brainspace.
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Better tech staff at Google
cadehbryant@... 9th Jul
One of the things that gives Google+ tremendous potential over Facebook is the fact that Google hires *real* software engineers......you know, the *true* geeks who know how to quickly find the prime factors of extremely large numbers, who know how to optimize sorting and indexing algorithms which process billions of records, who are fluent in machine learning, sentiment analysis, and natural language processing technologies (can you say "Google Translate"?). And don't forget that Google is right down the road from Stanford, and Google routinely sends its employees there for training in the latest developments in the field of CS and security.

If Facebook wants to remain competitive with Google's entry into the social networking arena, they will need to play some major catch-up in terms of acquiring talent and human intellectual capital........something that Google has been an expert at for over a decade.
In my own point of view i dont see the importance of comparing so as to what is better and what is gaining more profit,As long as it serves the purpose and long as it is beneficial it would be just fine.I used FB almost everday while i do my online work home job , it's about direct investing and i can say it is beneficial because somehow it can reduce boredom.I work and play but i realized working and playing is the most hardest game ever.
I dont see the importance of comparing so as to what is better and what is gaining more profit,As long as it serves the purpose and long as it is beneficial it would be just fine.I used FB almost everday while i do my online work home job , it's about direct investing and i can say it is beneficial because somehow it can reduce boredom.I work and play but it's the most hardest game ever.
Well competition is always there, anywhere, now the really in the web is facebook, but most of the professionals are using really google plus. so great innovation, and great features, so whatever stand after five years, then we will see and use it.

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