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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

FBI's Anonymous challenge: Cast a wide net vs. distributed hacking group

By | July 19, 2011, 9:00am PDT

Summary: The FBI is carrying out raids in an ongoing investigation into hacking group Anonymous, but the challenges with taking out a distributed gang are enormous.

Federal Bureau of Investigation agents conducted a series of raids Tuesday in an ongoing investigation into Anonymous, the hacking group. But the challenges with taking out a distributed gang are enormous.

CBS News has learned that FBI agents conducted raids on the New York homes Tuesday. PCs and gear were taken under search warrants. Two homes were on Long Island with another two in Brooklyn and the Bronx. CBS News also confirmed that additional raids were conducted in California and 14 arrests have been made so far.

Related: FBI makes 14 arrests in Anonymous raids

Overall, there are more than a dozen raids being conducted across the U.S. in a “major law enforcement operation,” according to CBS News. For now, these raids are related to searches.

The aim of the raids was to track down hackers that allegedly carried out attacks on corporations and government sites.

A Fox News report highlighted the raids earlier. As CNET News’ Don Reisinger noted, the FBI had some success targeting Anonymous members and has more than 40 search warrants aimed at the group.

The big challenge is that law enforcement agencies are playing a game of Whac-A-Mole. As new members are targeted others appear. Hacking groups like Anonymous—and spin offs such as LulzSec—are decentralized by design. You cut off the head—or what you think is the head—and something else regenerates.

Scotland Yard last month arrested Ryan Cleary, a 19 year old in London, in connection with a series of attacks on Britain’s Serious Organized Crime Agency. The problem: LulzSec blared on its Twitter account that the arrest was misplaced. However, LulzSec later went silent—until it hacked a Rupert Murdoch’s Sun newspaper site for giggles.

Michael Chertoff, former Department of Homeland Security chief, said last month that the big challenge with combating hacking groups is attribution. In a decentralized group there are various flavors of bad guys. The FBI has to take out many bad actors—and associated servers—in hopes of getting a big score.

Chertoff said:

“Do we respond if we don’t know who had bad intent, but can locate the server that is a weapon against us? Do we take out the server in real life or cyberspace? There’s not going to be a clear line and we may take that server out in physical and cyber domains.”

The conundrum is akin to battling a terrorist network where you have to cast a wide net to get any traction against Anonymous.

In that respect, the FBI’s raid Tuesday is just the latest installment in what is likely to be a series of ongoing attempts to derail Anonymous and similar groups.

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FBI Challenge
solar_satellite 21st Jul
Never mind Anonymous; any pronlems it poses are dwarfed by the challenge we face in taking on the distributed criminal gang known as the FBI.
Good job on the article!
There's about to be a lot of water-boarding.
@wraith404 i sure hope so. Gitmo baby!
@wraith404 Hopefully a remake of Oklahoma city will be the consequence. Down with the FBI!
@Tommy S. I don't agree with killing, or hurting innocent people just because someone got skunked by the feds. That is morally wrong!
@SpankyFrost I don't agree with killing, or hurting innocent people either. But we are not talking about innocent people here, we are talking about FBI employees.
Hackers hacking hackers haphazardly.
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not really how it works
bspurloc 19th Jul
It isn't how they are describing it at all. When teens try to out due each other not all in line know what to do. usually only a few can do the ring leading.
But anyhow only teen rage would escalate something they had good for years to doing something that puts them as a direct target of the fbi. stupid is as stupid does.
I believe some very smart anons used the 'crappiest' level of 'hackers' as walls to protect thenselves. Probably these guys are good in TI, but not that good to be taken.
The bests (and worst) will never be seen.
I hope they through the book at as many as they can catch.
Speeky engrish very long?
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Waterboarding is torture
gsenior 19th Jul
@ wraith and ktell
You support waterboarding? Of American citizens no less?
I find that disturbing.
@gsenior
I find anyone that trys to do harm to one another whether it be Digital, mental or physcial disturbing.
@gsenior No, I don't support waterboarding in private. However, I WOULD support flogging in public. If somebody were to get 10 lashes in full view of their community along with fines and parole, it would really make them realize deep down they did wrong. Scars are a good memory aid. It would also serve as an example to other kids who think this is all fun and games.
@kevincoughlin There is a group that do just that. As you are like minded maybe you should join them, they are called the Taliban.
@kevincoughlin lashings and scars are just one more thing for people to brag about. We are taught from a young age the competition trumps all. No one likes to be outdone or come in second. Do it in public view, and I guarantee there would be people lined up practically willing to pay for an outlandish lashing that tops the guy before him. It's a sick world we live in.
@kevincoughlin lashings and scars are just one more thing for people to brag about. We are taught from a young age that competition trumps all. No one likes to be outdone or come in second. Do it in public view, and I guarantee there would be people lined up practically willing to pay for an outlandish lashing that tops the guy before him. It's a sick world we live in.
@kevincoughlin
So you are a "member of the American Taliban" then.
Your ethics must be EXTREMELY high.
@gsenior - I'm pretty sure those two don't know what they support, just kids making a statement that they hope will get some attention.
@gsenior It is no less disturbing than seeing American citizens disrupting the public order. Waterboarding is the LEAST punishment I would give. Personally I would prefer to shoot them as spies.

Maj. Hasan was an American citizen who killed 13 fellow soldiers at Ft Hood. He should be waterboarded to see if he has any friends like him, then waterboard them too.
@BlackAmerican Oh good idea, BTW he's implicated you as one of his "Friends". best of luck.
@BlackAmerican Carefull with that line of thinking, someone may wish to waterboard you too
@BlackAmerican
What is your problem ?
Are you not able to find the correct fascist group to join ?
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h2g0
mist42nz 19th Jul
@gsenior "You support waterboarding? Of American citizens no less?"

True - drowned at birth would be more appropriate for a country full of criminals with criminal police forces.
@mist42nz
So you are proposing to kill ALL new born Americans.
I believe that is called genocide ! Genocide is considered too be one of the worst crime possible.

It is also a good reason for all Americans to kill YOU in self-defence before it is too late.
@gsenior What is disturbing is the "wide net" that law enforcement is using. Undoubtedly with the provisions of the Patriot Act to serve as the tool to cast said net.

I wonder how many people will be the recipients of "no-knock" and "sneak and peek" warrants simply because some kid hijacked their wireless or they used the word "hacking" in an email or response to an online story, such as this.
@frizzllefry Keep the combat shotgun loaded next to your bed. Also only use slugs, buckshot will have a hard time penetrating a body armor. Just use the home invasion defense.
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Love It
wizardb@... 19th Jul
I love it the rich and powerful being brought to their knees by a few proud free people!It is time the system had a major shake up the corporations have gotten control of the Governments of the world and it is time they were slapped down,All anonymous and there ilk are doing is laying a thumping on the power structure and they are in need of a big thumping,The people need power returned to them and taken from the hands of the puppet masters of government!"Liberty has never come from Government. It is always come from the subjects of Government. The history of Liberty is the history of resistance." Woodrow Wilson
@wizardb@...
Do your homework before you rant. Woodrow Wilson got an act passed through Congress that, according to one liberal Democrat, "Makes the Patriot Act look as if it were written by the ACLU". Wilson did not follow his own advice. Furthermore, if Anonymous spilled your own personal information and you lost your shirt to a thief, you'd be singing a far different tune.
@wizardb@... You sound like one of these nuts who wear a GHE GUEVARA T-shirt.
First time one of the "young and free" hack into your bank and steal some of your money, I hope you feel the same way. They should hope they never draw a jury with ME on it.
@BlackAmerican - Last time I checked, other than actually providing evidence that they COULD compromise a system and make some money from it if they chose to, none of these groups ever did. Case in point: the Sony hack, where the info of thousands of credit cards were accessed, yet not one complaint from anyone that fraudulent charges were made.

I don't think that anyone has to worry about you being on a jury. Both the prosecution and defense would see right through you as the nut-job, extremist that you are and simply hand you your hat.
@BlackAmerican
No. You are totally unfit to be in any jury, except a Taliban one.
Get this into your head:
They never stole a dime even though they had the tools to do so. ( Credit card details)
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I love it!
William Pharaoh 19th Jul
@wizardb@...
You sound like one of those powerless people, lashing out at those that you have no control over, lip service and nothing more, because getting ahead in life takes commitment, it's not handed to you like you see on TV.

I haven't seen any rich and powerful being brought to their knees, have you? What hacking a web site is bringing someone to their knees? ROTFL!!!! Now that's funny!!

Get a job and buy a clue. happy
@William Pharaoh Well Said Will!! +100 !!!
@William Pharaoh
There seem to be some sweat at R. Murdock's empire.
I think the FBI are wasting resources that should be put into stopping real crimes, with enforceable laws having been broken. (You the kind that hurt ppl!) These guys they are pulling in, could have just downloaded some warez/hacking tools and had their PC hijacked (by real hackers) Anyone who thinks that someone hacking defence contractors is really also part of Anon (and not just using that as a guise to throw ppl of the fact they live in Beijing etc..) is deluding themselves, there are many layers, agendas and stool pigeons here. Any forensic computer security scientist worth their salt would tell the FBI suits that they are wasting their time and likely to lock-up ppl with varying degrees of innocence. VERY Murky waters indeed And a very slippery slope! I hope they get genuine confessions (that's what they're good at, they need to play to their strengths here) otherwise toss that fish back! Noble intentions, and good luck to them, but it's not some online ring they can just round-up all the members ... I seriously doubt that any real hacker with the intelligence to carry-out serious hacks, would also allow themselves to be so easily located! With the exception of teenagers who got caught-up and thought it would be 'cool' to try SQL injections etc.. Those type will crack easily (without the need of gitmo-waterboarding - good way to get a bogus confession) These are the types of arrests we are likely to see..... They perhaps should give these kids a medal for exposing security holes that real threats have been manipulating for years WITHOUT boasting their exploits on twitter!
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Hackers ('black hat') will never be allowed to become extinct - their invaluable contributions to corporate security, including hacking the hackers such as the Murdoch Press, to set the bar on security, and this cannot be lost. 'White hat' hackers mostly need a pay-cheque, 'black-hatters' do it for the gaming experience. We are all told today that 'fun' beats 'work'. So 'black-hatters' provide a quality of service unavailable elsewhere...
@Mahegan "Hacking the Murdoch press." Sorry you are devalueing the hard, lonely and thankless work of many people such as Tom Watson and even Hugh Grant who dared to put his head above the parapet and take the flak.

Anonymous only defaced The Sun website and did so AFTER the fact.

That was attention seeking not anything really what we would associate with hacktivism.
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The FBI's Bleeding Foot
djsmisc@... 19th Jul
FBI director Mueller is having a nervous breakdown, as nearly every native US nerd and geek with half a brain is committed to keeping the government transparent, and freeing our citizens from the post-9/11 POLICE STATE. The math is something like: Arrest 12 ANONS and 1200 new members will pop up overnight and 12000 FBI files will disappear. Alternative Diplomacy might work.
@djsmisc@...
And, we have plenty of prisions and is not ashamed to build some more. And if that don't work, needles next time! Hope the clowns push back hard so they can get the latter!
@windozefreak
There is NO WAY to find the money all these prisons require.
These days the talks are all about cutting down on spending.
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@djsmisc@...
Arrest 12 ANONS and 1200 new members will pop up overnight

Right. Maybe they should call themselves "Hydra" happy

But you skip over the most obvious problem - finding 12 hackers is hard, finding 1200 is easy, and it finds them all.

If you're right and 1200 more pop up, then that leads to the entire network being brought down, as their mistakes multiply.

Sorry, but you're living in TV land if you believe what you said is true.

Oh, what POLICE STATE? Why not go to a country that is a real police state instead of trying to make out where you live as one.
@William Pharaoh
Exactly how will you go about to bring down a world wide network ?
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LulZ, about the best way to sum this up.
Been_Done_Before Updated - 19th Jul
They are going after people who didnt mask their IP's when "attacking" websites. Wow, congrats, they read a log and went after an idiot who doesnt know how to use onion routers, masking, shells, etc....

Congrats on getting the "script kiddies". As another commentor noted, you captured the outer rim of loosely connected onion. Or in other words, you got a few dumb kids who just happen to read 4chan.

Oh and for those who say hang them high: Um yea, they pressed enter and ran an executable file. The file used their internet connection to bombard a website(or websites) until they stopped. No permanent damage was done, you could equate this to throwing eggs on a window. Maybe its you people who should be thrown in jail, you are the reason the government has too many powers. You ***** about a nanny state when the government attempts gun control then demand the government put to death to those who commit minor offenses against a business(not a person, a business).
@Been_Done_Before
A lot of people seems to love HATING what they do not understand. They will, ANY DAY, propose the death to these protesters much before the death of actually killers.

And you wonder how the nazis could get people to support them. Look no further. Promoting hate is the start.
The FBI shouldn't have been given any more time to prove they were anything more than liars and killers above the law after Hoover's McCarthyism witch hunts nearly ruined J.Robert Oppenheimer's life. He gave us the bomb that ended WWII, and was treated like that by our FBI while no one complained. Local law enforcement can do their jobs just fine without any of the surveillance and torture these agencies and Cisco's (among others) technological toys.
I just have a few comments: I TOLD YOU SO! And, this will be just the tip of the waterboarding. These clowns are not covered by the Geneva Convention. What Dunces!! My last words to all hackers: You can run baby but you can't hide!!!
@windozefreak
Of course they are not covered by the Geneva Convention.
They have not started any wars or even killed anyone.
They do not NEED to hide.
All they need is to live in a law abiding country, that includes the constitution of the country in the law.
The so called Patriot Act has killed a lot of the US constitution, as any "Patriot Act" anywhere else in the world always has. It is not new. The nazis had it before the US. The US one hasn't got quite as far yet. That is the main difference.
All the 'black hackers' are doing is giving the government more and more power to invade the privacy of citizens. The more hacking that is done, the bigger the FBI search squad becomes. Get a clue, kids! Big Brother has the best and brightest computer scientists in the world, and you will get caught and your life will be ruined.
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Xira 19th Jul
@ITOdeed So we should just bend over and let them take all our liberties away anyway in the hopes that they won't take more than if we resist?
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FBI Challenge
solar_satellite 21st Jul
Never mind Anonymous; any pronlems it poses are dwarfed by the challenge we face in taking on the distributed criminal gang known as the FBI.

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