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FCC painted into corner after fallout over Google-Verizon talks

By | August 6, 2010, 4:41am PDT

No one ever wants to be too close to an issue too hot to handle - and that’s especially true in Washington.

So it should come as no surprise that rumors of a deal between Verizon and Google and the subsequent fallout has now prompted the FCC to immediately halt private meetings with the tech and telecom giants, which had been working with the FCC to establish broadband policy. In a statement, via the Washington Post’s PostTech blog, Eddie Lazarus, the chief of staff to the chairman of the FCC, said:

We have called off this round of stakeholder discussions. It has been productive on several fronts, but has not generated a robust framework to preserve the openness and freedom of the Internet – one that drives innovation, investment, free speech, and consumer choice. All options remain on the table as we continue to seek broad input on this vital issue.

The FCC took this action even after Verizon went on-the-record with a blog post of its own to say once and for all, that a New York Times report about the rumored Google-Verizon deal was incorrect.

Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett sums up the FCC-Google-Verizon flap nicely in a missive:

Two nights ago, it was reported on Bloomberg that Verizon and Google had reached a bilateral agreement on net neutrality. With few details reported at the time, the accord was arguably a positive sign for ongoing negotiations between a larger group that included not just Google and Verizon, but also AT&T, the NCTA, the Open Internet Coalition, and Skype.

But then the New York Times reported the details. And as soon as it was reported that Google had agreed to paid-for prioritization, it was over. Perhaps we’ll never know whether the Times story was planted as a torpedo for the broader negotiations, whether the Times misconstrued a less ambitious agreement to allow for managed services, or whether Google and Verizon simply badly miscalculated the inevitable reaction (or even the more Machiavellian prospect that one of them intentionally agreed to a deal they knew would be untenable as a way to derail the process). In any case, both parties immediately denied the story. But it was too late.

The inevitable firestorm left the FCC no choice but to call an end to the festivities. From the beginning, the negotiations were fraught with procedural, legal, and tactical pitfalls. Ultimately, it was the political pitfalls of negotiations that doomed the process. Yesterday’s end to negotiations simply made it official. Note that it was the FCC that “canceled” the negotiations.  It was not the companies themselves.

In any case, it now seems that the FCC is painted into a corner. In a burning building. Made of wood.

Why is it so important for the FCC to take this sort of extreme action? In part, it’s because the the issue is too hot and the controversy is far from over. This topic is too hot to be over and the FCC doesn’t want anything resembling a scandal landing at its doorstep again anytime in the future.

So rather than hear directly from the companies that will be on the front lines of any new broadband policy, the FCC is going to close that door. That’s too bad. Washington - if it wants to do this one right - really needs the input of the tech community. After the Comcast ruling, the FCC lost a lot of its rule-making and enforcement powers, a vulnerability that shows that it needs to work with tech, not against it.

As we now know, lacking a set of rules of guidelines from the federal government, the companies themselves are willing to work out an agreement of their own (even though the official word is that they haven’t reached a deal.)

Things change daily with this story, but for now Washington is trying to keep its fair distance from the heat. Burning buildings just aren’t much fun.

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RE: FCC painted into corner after fallout over Google-Verizon talks
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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Interests
Tim Patterson Updated - 6th Aug 2010
The interests of the People had better priority number 1.

Without the People there is no Verizon or Google or Comcast or FCC. Let's not forget the $billions in government subsidies (the People's money) that have gone to telecoms like Verizon. Let's also remember that Google is taking plenty of our money (the People's money) via data mining contracts with the feds. (the People's money being used against the People) And let's all remember that it was the People's money which initially funded the creation of the internet.

As far as the FCC goes the People's interests should be job #1.
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Here's an idea for you
frgough 6th Aug 2010
How about letting me decide what my interest is instead of the state deciding for me in the name of "the people."

Oh, BTW, letting a company keep more of its money is not a subsidy. Because, even though you've been indoctrinated to think otherwise, the source of all money is not the state.
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Naive in the extreme
Economister Updated - 6th Aug 2010
@frgough

"How about letting me decide what my interest is instead of the state deciding for me in the name of "the people." "

So I guess we can abolish any form of consumer and environmental protection legislation. Good luck on your own.
@frgough
If you think that the alternative to "the state deciding" is you deciding, you are more than a bit naive...and sound like you have been indoctrinated yourself.
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More than a bit naive
bodhi88@... 6th Aug 2010
@frgough If you think that the alternative to "the state deciding" is you deciding, you are more than a bit naive...and sound like you have been indoctrinated yourself.
@frgough
lol The "State" decided to not let Google and Verizon make our decisions. Just because you want Google thinking for you, doesn't mean we all do.
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@frgough The source of all money is not the state - that much I agree with you one but at the same time there has been quite a bit of Federal money (i.e. taxpayer's money) given/ loaned to the telecoms and for them to have these secret meetings to work out ways to charge us EVEN MORE money for services with the Gov't backing is ridiculous...
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I agree.
mr1972 6th Aug 2010
@Tim Patterson I agree with the above, I would also add that an open, level and fair Internet helps innovation and competition while a closed, tiered, and locked down Internet is just a communication tool for those who can afford it.
As usual, our choice is between singing birds, rainbows, and sunshine every day versus the people who torture small animals and roast children on spits. Also as usual, fans of government telling everyone what to do paint this future as a paradise of singing birds. Feh.
@Robert Hahn You've created a dichotomy that doesn't exist. Fear of Google, Verizon etc. running the show does not equal 'fans of government'. Most consumers have no/little choice of provider so the FCC or other regulatory agencies are the only means available to develop or shape policy away from a Profits First mentality.
@Tim Patterson I could not agree withg you more. Unfortunately Money talks and Net nutraility will walk. Most people will not care except for a small few who will not be taken seriously. It will be truly pathetic, but any deal will be hailed as a good thing even when it isn't in mine or your best interest.

I know I sound pessimistic, but all I see are companies or governments taking full control of the internet, what goes on it and your communications over it. All to protect freedom and democracy yet taking it away at the same time.
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@Tim Patterson

Those billions of "subsidies" you're talking about are actually negative for Verizon and AT&T. Yes, each company gets a little more than a billion in Universal Service Fund (USF), but they each pay much more than a billion into the USF.

http://www.digitalsociety.org/2010/08/techdirt-mistakens-broadband-for-public-property/

Frankly, you're freaking out over nothing.
http://www.digitalsociety.org/2010/08/the-incoherency-of-net-neutrality-news-coverage/
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do no evil my a..
sparkle farkle 6th Aug 2010
if google agreed to pay for prioritized packets, it goes to show how they feel about search results, and everything else for that matter.. Money talks. Net neutrality?? as long as you can buy it. Search results ranked in order of wealth.
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If the moon is made of cheese
Economister 6th Aug 2010
@sparkle farkle

Speculation, pure and pointless speculation.
@Economister In that case, there shouldn't be an article. There shouldn't be a blog entry and you certainly shouldn't comment on anything in this blog or in here, because everything is speculation, unless you work for google or Verzion and you were involved in the alleged negotiations.

Nope, we should never ever discuss anything until we have all the facts and we certainly should never say if X then Y, unless we know X is true.
so that'd be nothing new. as for evil, yeah goog does lots of it everyday.
@sparkle farkle

Search has never been neutral
http://www.digitalsociety.org/2010/04/new-google-search-ranking-shuns-net-neutrality/

And neither has the Internet
http://www.digitalsociety.org/2010/07/call-the-net-neutrality-police-dailykos-loads-faster-than-foxnews/

Yes, money buys you advantages. It always has, and it always will even if you're living in a socialist or communist state (though under the table).
The money always wins ... welcome to life 101
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"That?s too bad. Washington - if it wants to do this one right - really needs the input of the tech community."

Guess what, there lot's of opportunity for input, everything from letters to open meeting testimony. That's not counting all of the lobbying dollars and effort spent on "educating" the regulators.

What caused all the trouble were the closed-door backroom deals being cut under the auspices of the FCC.

And to frgough: When the day comes that there is a free and open market for broadband access, without monopoly franchises, spectrum allocation, and government-guaranteed margins for common carriers, then I will agree with you. Today is not that day.
@terry flores

It was the govt that granted monopoly franchises and auctions spectrum in order to raise money. They game the marketplace, and then complain that the market is flawed and therefore must be regulated.

You are 100% correct about politicians cutting backroom deals. How do you think Abraham Lincoln made all of his railroad money? Was he just lucky to buy property precisely where the railroads need land?
Wow! I guess Sam Diaz is on my "shilling for the Telco's" list. Quite unfortunate.
@jimmlegs@...

I get it, the telco's are always evil and the govt is always good! So siding with the telco's on any issue--even if it makes sense--is considered "shilling" ?
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The NY Times gets it right again!
otaddy 6th Aug 2010
Not!
I would not be surprised if neither Google nor Verizon foresaw this outcome. Neither management team has the soberness of mind to realize that "too hot to handle" was a serious threat. Both teams assume their brashness will always be rewarded, Verizon because it is run by robber barons, Google because they are too young to know better.

But of course, it just doesn't work that way with government. On the contrary, brashness and even imagined brashness are usually punished. That sounds like what the FCC has done here.
Why does ZDNet insist on using lighter print, that is hard to read when displaying quotes. If you want people to read your articles you should be making it easier not more difficult to do so.
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We the Business?
devlin_X Updated - 7th Aug 2010
" Washington - if it wants to do this one right - really needs the input of the tech community. After the Comcast ruling, the FCC lost a lot of its rule-making and enforcement powers, a vulnerability that shows that it needs to work with tech, not against it. "


No, this is not a country by and for the businesses (I know it wouldn't seem like it these days) but it is for and by the People . We the private citizens are the ones who should be asked how it should be done not the businesses. Who initially paid for this network (if you said the telecoms your wrong... look at the D.O.D.) it was our tax dollars. There was also a huge chunck of our tax dollars handed over to the telecoms to roll out the DSL and/or fiber for broadband years ago. They promised to connect the rural areas and instead they took the money and welched on their promises. (see "How the Bells stole America's Digital Future" http://www.netaction.org/broadband/bells
also see "Telcos to FCC: Give us billions, but don't make us share lines" http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/11/big-telcos-slam-broadband-open-access-broadband-report.ars

These are the people you want us to trust for Net Nutrality Policy?!?
@devlin_X

It amazes me that a lot of people feel that businesses should be completely unregulated. As though they think that they are responsible and have the interest of the people and competition as their number one priority.
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IN this case, . . .
JLHenry 10th Aug 2010
@hito_kiri

I have to agree. There are certain functions that the Government was DESIGNED to do.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Overriding two companies desire to seek profit at the expense of the people AGAINST their wishes IS the purpose of Government. It isn't enough to say "if you don't like it, don't do business with them". If they're the only game in town (and they are for certain regions of the country; IF you don't get Verizon DSL, you don't GET DSL at all), then it is the government's responsibility to make sure they aren't violating the trust Verizon has as a Duly-authorized Monopoly in that area not to gouge the citizens of those regions, nor to use that monopoly to coerce or force certain choices on them.

IF the customer deliberately chooses to accept a stacked deck in return for cheaper Internet, that's a different matter. The customer has made an informed choice, and there is no coercion.
And for those that think the state isn't interested in the money....BWAHAHAHA!!! There's pockets being lined on this issue, as with most issues. The right amount of money thrown at the right politician will always result in favorable legislation for the big company, to hell with the little guy....
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