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Four reasons why IDC's 2015 Nokia-Microsoft predictions are bunk

By | March 29, 2011, 9:06am PDT

Summary: IDC’s crystal ball for the smartphone industry in 2015 may be a bit cracked. Microsoft’s Windows Phone 7 the No. 2 operating system behind Android courtesy of the Nokia deal. Will most Symbian users really jump to Microsoft?

IDC’s outlook for the smartphone industry in 2015 has Microsoft’s Windows Phone 7 the No. 2 operating system behind Android. Microsoft’s global surge will come via its partnership with Nokia.

Here’s the money chart for IDC’s somewhat cracked crystal ball:

In a nutshell, IDC is assuming that all Nokia users will stay loyal to the brand and become Windows Phone 7 users.

IDC analyst Ramos Llamas said:

Up until the launch of Windows Phone 7 last year, Microsoft has steadily lost market share while other operating systems have brought forth new and appealing experiences. The new alliance brings together Nokia’s hardware capabilities and Windows Phone’s differentiated platform. We expect the first devices to launch in 2012. By 2015, IDC expects Windows Phone to be number 2 operating system worldwide behind Android.

Mary Jo Foley noted:

So how is Windows Phone OS going to catapult to No. 2 in four years? If you look at IDC’s chart, it will largely happen by picking up almost all the Symbian share, according to IDC. IDC is predicting the 20.9 percent Symbian share will be down to .2 percent by 2015. I’m sure Microsoft is counting on getting a hefty share boost from its $1 billion-plus investment in Nokia, but will the Softies manage to hold onto almost all the Symbian base, as Nokia tries to wean them from Symbian? I’d think, given some Nokia users’ skepticism about the sanity of the deal, more than a few might go Android or iOS.

Indeed, IDC’s projections are bunk. For starters, the smartphone industry is moving too fast to make predictions for 2015. But there are a lot of other reasons to question IDC’s assumptions for 2015. Here are four:

  1. Nokia isn’t likely to hold smartphone share. Let’s see Nokia won’t have a barrage of Windows Phone 7 phones in the market until 2012. Nokia is essentially taking a year off while other handset makers (Samsung, HTC, RIM, Apple, Motorola) keep pumping out smartphones. Nokia is a no-show in the U.S. and its possible that folks that leave the handset maker in 2011 may not come back.
  2. Windows Phone 7 may not appeal to all Symbian users. How do you assume that most Symbian users will go to Microsoft? Because Nokia says so? The logic doesn’t work. Symbian users are likely to watch iOS, RIM’s QNX and Android too. Peer pressure may play a role also.
  3. The smartphone industry moves at light speed and four years is an eternity. Any projection beyond 2012 is suspect to me. Four years ago no one saw Apple’s iOS coming. Android didn’t exist.
  4. IDC’s projection assumes near flawless execution. If Nokia’s timetables slip for Windows Phone 7 devices, it will have to close a larger market share gap by 2015. On the other side, Microsoft has to show it can evolve Windows Phone 7. Neither partner can run in place. More than 20 percent market share in 2015 is aggressive.

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RE: Four reasons why IDC's 2015 Nokia-Microsoft predictions are bunk
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The report is pretty accurate. There is a lot of potential to pick up new WP7 users with the Nokia deal. All WP7 are happy with their phones, they spread that happiness to others and by word of mouth more people will start using WP7. I can easily see WP7 being second in 4 years.
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Will Farrell 29th Mar 2011
@Loverock Davidson
The numbers are ALWAYS right when they show a non MS product growing, but ALWAYS wrong when the show an MS product growing.

Was Larry one of the people who said Android wouln't pass iOS? Not sure on that.
@Will Farrell
Not sure about that, I've never seen Larry comment too much on Apple.
@Will Farrell
The numbers are ALWAYS right when they show a MS product growing, but ALWAYS wrong when the show a non MS product growing
@Will Farrell
Well normally I like to try to get under Loverock's skin, but obviously the governing body who regulate and decide the fate of all these lawsuits right now gives them plenty of insider information on their projections. Do you think IDC might be thinking that the outcome of all these Nokia lawsuits might be detrimental to Apple? ....and obviously IDC is saying Nokia with such overwhelming numbers of patents and dollars spent on being the largest phone maker in the World in a partnership with Microsoft sharing plan for App Store revenue with little or no license fees for WP7 would be a heck of a deal.

But the Reality is that Microsoft's WinMo phones haven't suddenly disapeared either. When would indicate that if they can convert a good portion of both present WinMo phone users and Nokia phone users, then most likely that's all they'd need to meet IDC projections.

I'm not sure that IDC may be preparing us for a negative outcome on all these lawsuits against Apple too. Why else would they have Apple dropping 8% this year? What's going on with the yearly June new model's arrival? If I had Apple stock, I'd be nervous if they blew past that June launch of iPhone5.

No two ways about it..... the IDC knows some things Larry Digman doesn't and I don't think think be giving us a loss of 8 to 10% market share over a few years with the products they have on market now. So do they think Apple is going to put out crappy products over this time? I don't think so and therefore something is about to go wrong for Apple or at least that what the IDC is thinking or knowing!!!

All I know, is I'd take the IDC's word over Larry Digman's any day!!!
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@Loverock Davidson

and the Sinclair X-1 is going to dominate the world in personal transport.
@Loverock Davidson

Are you retarded?
Do you even know what people are using day to day?
It's not windows 7 devices! Hell even Corporate IT is moving away or holding firm until they can see what this new OS does.
Given four years assumes that everyone else will remain stagnate while they catch up, unrealistic.......
@Havoktek
Give it time and these business users will see how attractive WP7 can be.
@Loverock Davidson

As a corporate IT type, WP7 has absolutely no appeal at this time. If nothing else, compared to Blackberry, iOS, Android or even earlier Windows Mobile implementations, it's lack of Exchange ActiveSync capability mandates a simple no. For instance, most of the sites I have anything to do with require on device and on removeable storage encryption. Blackberry and iOS handle this with no problems, Android does in some cases and others simply lie and say they do while WP7 does not support this (and, at least, is honest about not doing so). I won't even get into the password mess.

For the same security reasons that require the on device encryption, the "Allow Non-provisionable Devices" policy is not likely to be implemented in the next eternity.

Hmmm... take that "simple no" and make it a " HELL NO!!!.
@Loverock Davidson

I've seen Windows Mobile 7 and will be getting my first Android 2.2 phone, the Epic 4G in June. I currently have a Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional phone and I'm looking forward to the upgrade! Most of my co-workers have iPhones and some type of Android-powered phone. The overwhelming majority do not have Windows Mobile 7 and aren't in a hurry to give Microsoft a chance when their existing phones work great.
@DonRupertBitByte
Ok, your mistake but we don't want to hear you crying come June.
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@Loverock Davidson Ha ha ha ha... Ha ha.. LOL... ROTFLMAO... Ha ha... Thanks for the laugh LD... All 49,000 WP7 users are happy...
@browser.
Yes they are happy, I'd even say they are the happest of the smart phone users.
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@Loverock Davidson

If All WP7 users are happy with their phones, then all libyan people are happy with Muammar Gaddafi !

http://pantestmb.blogspot.com/2011/03/wp7-wtf.html

Microsoft is bricking their customer's WP7 phones ;
Any business that buys Windows Phone 7 is committing suicide. Microsoft and Windows Phone 7 should not be associated with the enterprise in any way at all ...
@auntaru But it works so well with your XBOX? How could it not be perfect for a corporate environment?
@Loverock Davidson
Your argument has convinced me. I'm going out right now to get a WP7 since they are headed for such great success!
@Loverock Davidson Oh, you know both the WP7 users?
@Loverock Davidson

IDC report has fail assumptions. Are they really thinking that all Symbian users walk nice and easily to direction guided by Nokia and MS-advocates? No way, my friend. However i don't think RIM is getting much friends amoung Symbian users. More likely 30% will get IPhone and majority Android. At least during 2012-13.

Most of people are thinking that Windows Mobile means viruses to their smartphones. The reputation of MS products is pretty awfull nowadays amoung ordinary people.
@Loverock Davidson
As a Microsoft fan that got a WP7 phone the week they came out, I totally disagree with the statement "All WP7 are happy with their phones". Personally I tolerate my WP7 phone because I am in a contract and it isn't bad enough to pay the fee for bailing on my contract. I have likewise warned my friends that both iPhone and Android are better alternatives in every function except Word and Excel docs. Even the Exchange client isn't that great.
@Loverock Davidson

Count me among those happy users, we have 3 in the family and love them. Best phone I've ever used.
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nishsingh Updated - 29th Mar 2011
The market in 5 years is difficult to predict, but I am sure eveyone knows that the key is to keep at it. This year and the next are crucial for Microsoft, but if they do things right (will they?), I would add a lot of Blackberry share to Microsft's at the end of that time. iOS will continue to have a devoted base, and Android might become the new Symbian - large, fragmented, and without a direction. (and then the game begins all over again)
either Apple or Google, and even been losing market share since the release of WP7. WP7 is ugly and dorky, and Europeans are not exactly very enamored with Microsoft. Look for Nokia to lose a lot of share unless they offer an alternative to WP7 for Symbian users upgrading their phones. I would imagine that if Steve Balmer is still at Microsoft in 2015, that their market share will still be hovering around 5%.
@DonnieBoy I find Windows phone 7 to be elegant and superior to either iOS or Android (clunky). If they execute well and improve it then it is attainable. The consumer market is very fickle and loyalties change fast!
WP7. And given that Europeans do not like Microsoft, Nokia only offering WP7 to Symbian users upgrading their phone will be suicide.
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@DonnieBoy
Microsoft owns the desktop market in Europe. Microsoft has a higher satisfaction rate in Europe than anywhere else.

The same goes for Nokia and phones. Nokia devices running WP7 will sell in Europe.

And it's your opinion about WP7 being ugly and dorky. You say that because you are an ABMer.

When I have shown my Samsung Focus to iPhone and Android users they love it. Most say they will buy or consider WP7 when their contracts are up.
in Europe? Have you looked at the number of government agencies converting to Linux? Did you happen to notice the anti-trust action in Europe? So, yes, Europeans are still locked to Windows for application compatibility, but, they are not exactly happy about the situation. WP7 is even more unpopular in Europe than in the US.
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DonnieBoy, what are you talking about
John Zern 29th Mar 2011
@DonnieBoy
Here you go Up until the launch of Windows Phone 7 last year, Microsoft has steadily lost market share

So wouldn't that mean that it's no longer losing marketshare, that it's starting to reverse the trend? Isn't that teh exact opposite of what you just said?

So let us know who should we believe, the IDC, or you?
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Europeans don't like Google much
John Zern 29th Mar 2011
@DonnieBoy
but they do like Apple and Microsoft, so not too sure what you're getting at DB?
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@DonnieBoy Why is everyone replying to DonnieBoy like his opinion matters. You know exactly what he is going to say b4 he says it. Nothing anyone says will ever change his mind about anything Microsoft. It funny how blogs are starting to claim that the PC market is irrelevant, Everyone knows why. Net books was once the big new thing when Linux was dominating but windows killed that notion so its now an irrelevant market. What ever market Microsoft takes over it will become irrelevant.
@John Zern
So wouldn't that mean that it's no longer losing marketshare, that it's starting to reverse the trend? Isn't that teh exact opposite of what you just said?

I am not defending DonnieBoy, because he does not need defending. But you have to look at the reality of the situation. In September of 2010 Windows Mobile had 6.8% of the market, in March of 2011 the combines marketshare of WindowsMobile and WP7SOS phones is only 5.5%. That would be a decline in marketshare. What is says to me is that the adoption of WP7SOS phones does not equal the rate of abandonment of Windows Mobile. Personally I can see WP7SOS phones at somewhere between 8% and 14% in 4 years, But nowhere near 21%. That would be an increase of several thousand percent. The iPhone was successful because, it was truly different than anything else out there. Androids success is because of the plethora of phones, and not everyone was willing to switch carriers to get an iPhone. Yes there were some that bought it because it is not Apple (BINA), but that is to be expected. I do not expect WP7SOS phones to go away, but then again I do not see them taking over the world.
@jatbains
I find Windows phone 7 to be elegant and superior to either iOS or Android (clunky).

What about WP7SOS do you find superior? I tried it and found it a bit lacking. Maybe it was the phone at the AT&T Store, maybe it was just me expecting more than the phone could possibly deliver. I found the screen a bit laggy, and hard to actually manipulate. When I say laggy, I mean I swiped my finger vertically and the phone took a few milliseconds to respond, and the touch was not up to same level of response as the iPod touch I own. Personally I do not find the Icons that appealing, maybe since I don?t have Facebook or Twitter as my requirements that is not a big feature. Xbox integration is also something that does not appeal to me, I have a Playstation 3, as it serves as a dual purpose device. Yes; I bought it as much for the Blu Ray player, as I did as a game machine.
@nishsingh

Microsoft might put WP7 on Blackberry and they will be still behind Android , iOS and webOS !
It's about ECOSYSTEMS, it's about post PC ERA and Microsoft has dropped the ball ...

http://pantestmb.blogspot.com/2011/03/smartphone-top-brands.html
the combined companies actually lose market share compared to where they are independent of each other today. Nokia's contribution should be to make cheap texting phones for the developing world and leave the WP7 platform on smart phones. Not everyone needs or can afford a smart phone and unless Microsoft comes out with a "Corolla" model of the OS they will never get their customers to remain loyal enough to buy that Lexus when they can finally afford one.
And for the record let's see where this blogger is in 5 years.
@Myclevername
the combined companies actually lose market share compared to where they are independent of each other today.

Actually both were losing market, and mind, share before the merger. Having paid for studies like this is an attempt halt the slide, that the merger couldn?t stop.
users have an aversion to Microsoft, Nokia WILL add another OS to the mix so that Symbian users that do not like Microsoft have another option. Microsoft will likely still be hovering around 5% in 2015.
@DonnieBoy
Europe has an aversion to Microsoft? Desktop PC marketshare is in the mid 90s% in Europe.

Apple and Linux are rounding errors.

When Microsoft get a decent phone out there, then it's game on.
@Stark_Industries
When Microsoft get a decent phone out there, then it's game on

So you?re saying that their current line up is junk? I thought that the current handset were the best ones available? Being that WindowsPhone 7 Series OS Phones currently are less than 3% of the world wide market I do not see them gaining 17+% in the next 4 years.
@Rick_K
No, I don't think the current hardware is the best when dual core and 4G Android phones are out there. The WP7 handsets are really generic devices that could quite easily run Android.

The only standouts are the Dell Venue Pro, HTC HD7 and Samsung Focus.

When Nokia add their engineering expertise then these phones will standout. I would say that higher end Nokia hardware easily compares to Apple build quality, especially camera and battery.
@Rick_K

So youre saying that their current line up is junk? I thought that the current handset were the best ones available?

Mostly the manufacturers just shoehorned WP7 onto an existing design. Most of the WP7 handsets aren't junk. The minimum specs help keep out some of the cruft that android deals with on the low end.

But there isn't any WP7 hardware you would hold up next to an iPhone4 (iphone antenna derp aside) and say "yeah, that's nice." There is not yet a lot of selection available either.

I love my Samsung Focus, but mostly for the screen and the OS.

That's why the Nokia deal is so appealing to MS. They now have a phone maker with a vested interest in building the best possible WP7 handset.
@Stark_Industries
"Microsoft has a higher satisfaction rate in Europe than anywhere else"?
can you give proofs of this, or is coming from your wild imagination? for the record, never use customer satisfaction and MS in the same sentence

"When I have shown my Samsung Focus to iPhone and Android users they love it. Most say they will buy or consider WP7 when their contracts are up. "
I also give the polite response, same when people show me their GM car, what you expect, somebody telling you the true?
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Where's HP?
Robert Hahn 29th Mar 2011
I second the notion that predicting 2015 from four years away is nuts. As is noted, four years ago both iOS and Android were nowhere to be found.

Apparently HP and its WebOS phones are lumped in with "other." Maybe, but we're talking about a $100 billion company that wants to be every enterprise's handset-to-server supplier, with everything in between. The current ex-Palm offerings are only the beginning. HP may fail in handsets and/or tablets, but they are not without resources and they will not go quietly into the "other" column.
@Robert Hahn
The reasons you gave are the same reasons i cant understand why people give Microsoft no shot at doing this. With all there resources plus the fact that Most business already use there Desktop OS. If they can get the phone OS tightly into Windows desktop(which they will) i see no reason why this is not completely possible. They did the same thing on Net books. Different market yes but this is completely possible. All the reasons i keep seeing here for this not being possible are stupid. No one gave android a chance against IOS and look what happened in 3 short years.
@FlatbushE21
He was pointing out that android and iOS didn't exist four years ago, but had mass success and WebOS, being the new OS could achieve a similar feat. Anything from Microsoft or RIM can't be put in the same category because they've been in the business a long time and have consistently failed to show any substantial innovation in the consumer market. I was initially encouraged when WP7 initially lauched, but, considering how long it took for updates, it looks like MS stopped caring about WP7 and will try for do over with Nokia.

With all that said, I buy my phones off contract and in a medium price range rather than high so I'm actually looking forward to what Nokia can do with WP7.
@FlatbushE21
With all there resources plus the fact that Most business already use there Desktop OS. If they can get the phone OS tightly into Windows desktop(which they will) i see no reason why this is not completely possible.

Did not Microsoft already get in trouble for tying? Leveraging their monopoly product, to gain another monopoly, is not something that is smiled upon. The days of Microsoft products gaining large market share are gone. It is no longer a situation where they can sell a product on name alone. Consumers are getting smarter, and asking why should i buy this? Sure the religious Zealots will still buy it, but that is true for any particular platform Zealots. This is a product that tries to hard ot be everything for everyone. It has features that appeal to specific groups, but that is not going to make it a stellar performer. If someone, like me for example, does not have Facebook and twitter accounts, what good are these features? If someone does not have an xbox, again what good is it? Office integration? Again a feature that is very limited, who?s going to edit a document on that tiny screen? Does the phone have the horsepower to create a PowerPoint presentation on? Have they fixed the issue with it not being able to connect to a WiFi router, when the SSID is hidden? If the competition can and this cannot, why would I choose this phone?

I am not looking to start a flame war, and I am not trolling. I am looking for someone that can intelligently answer these questions. So far Microsoft is not telling me why I should choose this product over one if its competitors.
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I think IDC is too agressive
LiquidLearner 29th Mar 2011
But I think Larry is discounting the fact that Windows Phone will likely take some share from Android and iOS as well. Certainly from Android. The bloatware has gotten almost out of control on the Android platform. I can't tell you how disappointed I've been in my Droid 2 at times. It's new issue is sometimes a call will come in but the touch screen is completely unresponsive so I can't even answer a call. That's a pretty serious issue.

I'd personally predict that MS will be 3rd behind Android and iOS in 3-4 years. Of course that's not knowing what kind of play they may be making with Windows 8 on the desktop and phone. And it may also be why we won't see Nokia devices until next year, about the time Windows 8 should be shipping.

But I think Larry's biggest point, which is that 4 years from now is nearly impossible predict, is the most accurate statement I've read on ZDNet in quite some time. And so we could say that MS will have 100% market share in 4 years and it would be based on almost nothing, which is what I think the IDC article is based on.
Well Larry, maybe you need to pay a little more attention to history and also understand that the Business side of things also will drive these numbers and lead to the success of Nokia/Microsoft. Microsoft will come back as they always do, plus businesses will realize the added value of having things like Office, Sharepoint, security, etc., plus the solid backing of Nokia, will be a must-have in the enterprise. I will be holding onto a copy this article in my desk and I will pull it out in 2015 and send it back to you with a Nokia/Msft phone that I am sure you will want.
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Teeny Weeny Word
Robert Hahn 29th Mar 2011
@brucewilliams4 If the next big fad in tech devices is Secret Decoder Rings, some Microsoft Munchkin will tell us that Microsoft's version will succeed because it runs Office.

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