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Good riddance Oracle! Now can LibreOffice make a difference?

By | September 28, 2010, 2:27pm PDT

Summary: Can a newly-forked LibreOffice do what OpenOffice could never do? Namely, break free from the shadow of Microsoft Office and some great cloud products?

It wasn’t long ago that I declared OpenOffice dead at the hands of Google Apps, Microsoft Web Apps, and the awesome Office 2010 desktop suite. Oracle’s purchase of Sun Microsystems didn’t help either, since the company isn’t exactly the biggest friend of open source.

This morning, however, ZDNet’s Paula Rooney reported on the Document Foundation’s fork of OpenOffice, making me wonder if the new LibreOffice is just as dead or if it can finally thrive with the right kind of community support and a lack of corporate overlords. As Paula reports, there are a lot of big names behind this new effort that just might breathe life into the project:

The creation of the Document Foundation is backed by leading Linux distributors Red Hat, Novell, Google (Android) and Canonical as well as many international concerns and nations, including Germany, Italy, Brazil and France…

Not surprisingly, there are some skeptics out there even among people who don’t work for that big company in Redmond that makes their own desktop office suite. Gigom calls LibreOffice “An Idea Whose Time Has Come (and Gone).” In a post this morning, the author made some completely valid points:

…why start from the paradigm of 1980s technology? Nothing on the Foundation’s new website, or in any of its press materials, suggests that the Foundation’s purpose is to do anything more than free OpenOffice development from the control of one company, Oracle. There’s no discussion of the possibilities of integration with the web…If anyone is advancing the office productivity market, it’s Google Apps…or Zoho Office, which were born on the web. It’s unclear what a web-light, client-heavy Microsoft Office clone can hope to achieve in terms of real innovation.

Then again, in countries where Internet connectivity is not ubiquitous or is limited to simple mobile devices, a desktop office suite that can run on an aging computer under Lubuntu is not the anachronism that it is in the land of Google Apps. And on operating systems that don’t support Microsoft Office (like Ubuntu), an office suite remains useful. Even I, cloud-boy that I am, use an office suite regularly for high-fidelity documentation needs.

That being said, the Document Foundation would do well to take this opportunity and begin integrating the desktop tools they are forking with cloud-based services from Canonical and/or Google, then LibreOffice will stand a far better chance of staying relevant and, more importantly, driving innovation in its competitors, be they Microsoft, Apple, or Google.

Right now, LibreOffice is very much in beta. However, the next 6 months will be critical as the community can truly dig in and begin enhancing the software in ways they couldn’t while Sun controlled the OpenOffice code. Will the community be able to do for productivity what they’ve done for operating systems and other incredible tools like Joomla!, Drupal, and Moodle? I hope so. I also hope they don’t miss the chance to embrace the cloud in ways that resonate with developed markets while still providing necessary features for developing markets. All, of course, for free.

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Chris Dawson writes ZDNet's Education IT blog. He is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
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Who? Whats a Libreoffice?
Stan57 28th Sep 2010
Who? Whats a Libreoffice?
@Stan57

GIYF.

It's a fork of OpenOffice. Necessary because Larry " Don't call me Samurai" Ellison bought Sun. Sun owned the trademark "OpenOffice". Ellison has been trying to allow OpenOffice to suffocate for lack of support. Ergo, sum.

'k?
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Whether it's good riddance or "don't let door hit your rear on the way out" is up to debate.
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Once again OSS
tonymcs@... 28th Sep 2010
shows how it can make clones of 1990s software.

I think it's great as a safety net, but it's certainly not pushing boundaries. In another few years we'll probably see a clone of Office 2003. I'd have to agree with you about Moodle - a happy exception to some of the rubbish that OSS turns out. Well documented, suggestions for programming and templates etc and easy to modify and create new features. As for Joomla and Drupal, they're certainly useful, but I don't find they meet Moodle's standards.

As for Linux users, we may as well worry about DOS and Win 3.1 users as they may outnumber the Linux desktop users wink
@tonymcs@...
What software it made a clone of?

It runs just find in both Windows and Linux.

Why does it have to push boundaries.

I use Linux, Any DOS or Win 3.1 users out there. More the merry.

I used Win 3.1 for what two years and only the dos part didn't need the gui part.

Hooay!
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DOS and Win3.1
wizard57m@... 28th Sep 2010
@tonymcs@...
Are you scared yet? We're on our way!
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tend to use what fullfils certain needs. I have hearn no complaints that Sun was ever attempting to stop anyone from enhancing OpenOffice in any way.

What has changed from then untill now, in reference to the actuall software?
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Nope.
@Loverock Davidson

Explain?

Did it not follow the rules?

Hooay!
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I always had this idea
Roger Ramjet Updated - 29th Sep 2010
of a software "frame". It's like a window - has standard menus, and standard look-and-feel. This frame would be what all software would use while running. IOW M$ Office, browser, tools (calculator), etc. would all use the frame for their output.

In this way, all apps would look local (and some would be). Think of it as GUI middleware. (probably already been done).
@Roger Ramjet

Better apply for a patent anyway just in case someone you don't like beats you to it.
Know a lot of OpenOffice users that came out of the horrid (Yes, I said horrid) Office 2010 and 2007 interface. If you mainly do Word Processing, liked the feel and look of Office 2003, and don't want to sell your soul to Microsoft. It's been a popular and free product. I personally use it and am very happy with it.
Taking office apps to the web is all nice. But some here are kind of shortsighted. What about public administration in many countries which are now paying millions they collect in taxes to microsoft and other companies? They certainly need a desktop app to work. On Linux, too. Maybe they have jumped from Windows 3.11 to Ubuntu also. So I definitely see the need for LibreOffice or any such like open source software. I never liked OpenOffice's interface, but I'd much rather prefer my government to use it instead of handing my tax money over to Microsoft or anyone else.
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thenonoman 9th Oct 2010
I have one feature that stopped me from switching from Office to OpenOffice, and that is the outliner in Word. If they can implement one in LibreOffice, I will switch. If not, I will continue to pay the M$ tax. I as an end user, I couldn't care less if one company controls the software or not, I just want it to work. Free is very nice, works is better.
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