Google, Verizon are right to push out the wireless net neutrality talk
Summary: As with all things having to do with net neutrality the debate went from zero to way overblown and emotional as soon as Google and Verizon posted their proposal. Biggest issue: The argument that the wireless industry is too immature for net neutrality mandates.
As with all things having to do with net neutrality the debate went from zero to way overblown and emotional as soon as Google and Verizon posted a proposal on where they stand. The source of the entire hubbub---the idea that wireless access should have different rules for now---seems to reflect the reality that mobile networks aren't even built out yet.
But reality isn't going to stop anyone from screaming---a lot.
The Google-Verizon compromise raised quite a ruckus. The big issue for some folks---there's actually compromise. You can twirl around in a circle and hit someone saying Google sold out. And of course, the telecom carriers are always portrayed as evil. However, the Google-Verizon proposal has a bevy of items that make sense on the wireline front. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has a nice analysis of the nuances here and at least tries to cut through the clutter.
Overall, the Google-Verizon missive isn't all that jarring---until you get to the wireless part of the net neutrality issue. Then the technology peanut gallery goes nuclear. Is Google really "carrier-humping net neutrality surrender monkey"?
Here's the passage in the Google-Verizon proposal that has many folks freaked out:
We both recognize that wireless broadband is different from the traditional wireline world, in part because the mobile marketplace is more competitive and changing rapidly. In recognition of the still-nascent nature of the wireless broadband marketplace, under this proposal we would not now apply most of the wireline principles to wireless, except for the transparency requirement. In addition, the Government Accountability Office would be required to report to Congress annually on developments in the wireless broadband marketplace, and whether or not current policies are working to protect consumers.
In other words, the core concepts of net neutrality---consumers have open choice and content won't be discriminated against on networks---that apply for wired access shouldn't be lording over the wireless industry yet. Notice Google and Verizon didn't say that net neutrality will NEVER apply to the wireless industry. Just not now. The two companies decided that it's best to kick the issue down the road.
Why would the companies put off wireless net neutrality? Here are a few reasons:
- Wireless networks aren't built out and aren't even close to reaching parity with wireline access. Let Verizon, AT&T and the rest of the gang install 4G LTE networks before you start yapping about whether you can have video streaming and other bandwidth hogging downloads at the expense of my calls. Regulating wireless access at this point in time would be like the FCC mandating net neutrality back in the dial-up access days. It's silly since many of the things you do on wireline networks you simply can't in the wireless world---at least not without some pain.
- Wireless networks have spectrum issues. Wireline networks have the throughput to have a discussion about something like BitTorrent can ride shotgun with a PowerPoint presentation. Simply put, the pipes are big enough. Wireless networks are constrained due to spectrum. You have to manage a network with limited resources. That fact isn't going to change for the foreseeable future.
- The wireless market is immature and the law of unintended consequences is magnified in nascent areas. The EFF notes that the big issue with net neutrality is that there's a "substantial danger that the regulators will cause more harm than good for the Internet." Just imagine how bad Washington could screw up the already partly dysfunctional wireless industry.
Perhaps Google and Verizon could have avoided the firestorm over wireless neutrality if they proposed some sort of timeline. For instance, FCC could be tasked to evaluate wireless net neutrality every two years or take a phased approach to implementing the concepts. Instead, Google and Verizon proposed an annual GAO report.
Bottom line: Google and Verizon made a logical proposal to put off net neutrality on the wireless front. Some would call that a sell-out move. I'd call it a reflection of network realities.
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Only Neutrality of Wireless
It should be clear and transparent when buying a 1GB or 10GB wireless data package, that this bandwidth should be usable for anything the user wants. But especially the use of VOIP should not be down-prioritized and blocked.
In fact, I think it should be possible for users to purchase high quality bandwidth for their VOIP usage specifically so that the quality is at least as good as normal voice usage.
RE: Google, Verizon are right to push out the wireless net neutrality talk
RE: Google, Verizon are right to push out the wireless net neutrality talk
STOP with the mindless knee jerk sloganeering !!!
.... and I suppose the big bad communistic government is behind that oppressive, we've all got to drive on the right side of the road dictatorship thingy.
Government bad corporations good, it is just that simple for you is it ???
RE: Google, Verizon are right to push out the wireless net neutrality talk
RE: Google, Verizon are right to push out the wireless net neutrality talk
[i]While Schmoo over here doesn't do crap, but because the sorry butt administration we have now feels sorry for the individual (who doesn't do anything to help himself) so they are going to give him the same level of living that you have...[/i]
What are you referring to? Unemployment insurance? Welfare? Food stamps?
Do you really believe that people on those or any public assistance (though I would not classify unemployment insurance as assistance) have the same standard of living as a successful working person?
:)
No way....
Once a multi-tiered system is implemented, only those who can pay the much higher rates will have have access, and the rest of the net will be left behind. Deals will be made that if you pay XXX dollars for this service, you can get it faster. Each service will start charging for access which has already been paid when you purchased your connection in the first place!
This will be the death of the internet unless all data is treated the same.
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I agree to a point
But I full agree that most of this talk is just so much Marxist-lite.
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The government shouldn't control or prioritize content, but they should make it illegal for internet providers to do so.
RE: Google, Verizon are right to push out the wireless net neutrality talk
So lets say you decide you want to start an internet company and end up purchasing 150mbps fiber from one of these companies. Great! Now for some customers, we'll offer them 10mbps connection speeds and unlimited data because I don't believe in priority or limitations. Your first 50 customers are pretty excited but now look, you've got a few people who are on welfare and watch TV over their internet all day. Wow these 3 or 4 people are using 30-40mbps of your 150mbps fiber.. They're on a cell tower that can only handle 40 mbps of traffic, and are backhauled to another tower than can handle 80, then finally get to your fiber cable. Everyone on their tower other than those two (since you don't have priority set up) now isn't getting for the internet they paid for. There's the scenario for you on a small scale.
What I worry about is vendor lock in.
I honestly believe that net neutrality would be a non-issue if it didn't seem so monopolistic. I don't believe that if a very few telcos get a lock on a tiered wireless Internet, it will ever be improved to point where an data agnostic approach will make sense. Basically with out a wide range of competition, I don't trust Verizon to build a better Internet. Once they get a lock on a tiered service plan, it will take a huge consumer outcry (which probably won't happen) or an act of Congress to get anything that would make sense to the consumers.
So for me, I want to avoid the local monopolies that I have personally experienced in cable company service. I have lived in towns where there is only one cable service and it was expensive and had very poor customer service. If there had been 5 more companies all competing for my dollars, I would bet the prices would come down and the services would be better over all.
With wireless it is some what the same. If there were 10 telcos all trying to compete, I would trust that the free market forces would deliver a good service at a fair price. But just 3, may be 4 companies who basically seem to have carved the market up and seem to be content with their share of it, won't be innovating any time soon.
So for me, net neutrality would be a non-issue if there were a large number of competitors involved but it looks more like an oligarchy so I don't really trust it.
You misunderstand
Net neutrality removes the ability of a company to control the profits from its investment. If Net neutrality was shoved down Verizon's throat do you think they would have built FIOS? Of course not.
RE: Google, Verizon are right to push out the wireless net neutrality talk
1. you have to have flexibility to deal with situations as they occur, because you can't always plan ahead
2. you can't guarantee any kind of throughput to anyone anywhere, because a sudden influx of usage would degrade performance for everyone.
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