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Google, Verizon unveil proposal - not agreement - to help FCC with Net Neutrality policy

By | August 9, 2010, 11:13am PDT

Summary: Google and Verizon today revealed a seven-point proposal - not an agreement - to help the FCC craft a broadband policy that keeps the Internet open.

Google and Verizon today unveiled a proposed compromise on how the Federal Communications Commission should frame legislature around the Internet, while preserving Net Neutrality.

In a post on Google’s Public Policy blog, the companies revealed their vision of how content providers and broadband providers can work together to maintain an open Internet while also allowing technology to flourish. The proposal isn’t quite the “deal” between the two companies that sent consumer advocacy groups into a tailspin when rumors of an agreement between the two first surfaced last week. From the post:

We believe this policy framework properly empowers consumers and gives the FCC a role carefully tailored for the new world of broadband, while also allowing broadband providers the flexibility to manage their networks and provide new types of online services… As policy makers continue to formulate the rules of the road, we hope that other stakeholders will join with us in providing constructive ideas for an open Internet policy that puts consumers in charge and enhances America’s leadership in the broadband world. We stand ready to work with the Congress, the FCC and all interested parties to do just that.

The proposal offered by the companies contains seven elements. They are:

  • Make the FCC’s current wireline broadband openness principles fully enforceable at the FCC. Those principles ensure that consumers have access to all legal content on the Internet and can use any application, service or devices of their choosing. The Comcast court decision called the enforcement of those principles into question, the companies said.
  • New enforceable prohibition against discriminatory practices would prohibit wireline broadband providers from discriminating against or prioritizing content, applications or services that cause harm to users or competition. The principle includes a presumption against prioritization of Internet traffic - including paid prioritization.
  • Transparency rules. The proposal creates enforceable transparency rules for both wireline and wireless services which requires broadband providers to give consumers clear, understandable information about the services they offer and their capabilities and to provide app and content providers with the information they need about network management practices.
  • The FCC’s role and authority. The proposal provides for a new enforcement mechanism for the FCC. Specifically, the FCC would enforce these openness policies on a case-by-case basis, using a complaint-driven process and could move swiftly to halt violators, including the authority to impose a penalty of up to $2 million.
  • Allow broadband providers to offer additional, differentiated online services, in addition to the Internet access and video services offered today. The companies note that it’s too soon to predict how these new services will develop, but examples might include health care monitoring, the smart grid, advanced educational services, or new entertainment and gaming options. The proposal includes safeguards to ensure that such online services are distinguishable from traditional broadband Internet access services and are not designed to circumvent the rules.
  • Different rules for wireless - for now. The still-nascent mobile landscape is changing rapidly. Under the proposal, most of the wireline principles would not apply to wireless, except for the transparency requirement. Also, the Government Accountability Office would be required to report to Congress annually on developments in the wireless broadband marketplace.
  • Finally, the proposal supports the reform of the Federal Universal Service Fund, so that it is focused on deploying broadband in areas where it is not now available.

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RE: Google, Verizon unveil proposal - not agreement - to help FCC with Net Neutrality policy
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trust the wolf to guard the hen house? Me neither.
The fact that Google and Verizon are asking the FCC to "frame legislature" [sic] is problematic in and of itself. Legislation is a function of Congress, and should not be vested in any bureaucracy.
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enriche 9th Aug 2010
@JMcNulty611
Although I (mostly) support Google and Verizon as providing some of the best services, what is their mindset to having legislation set???
@JMcNulty611 Yep, because we all know the government makes the best decisions in regards to technology legislature. Though the fact that Verizon is involved at all scares me, they're all about the bottom line & what is in their best interest.
@shane@... sad but true. It was the government that gave us the DMCA, one of the worst pieces of legislation ever. It's obvious the authors were clueless when it came to technology.
@shane@...

The bottom line.
@shane@... Verizon promised the government a fiber optic network in exchange for tax breaks, Verizon never fulfilled this promise. Now we have an antiquated system with slow speed, Japan's network is 10 times faster.
Those principles ensure that consumers have access to all legal content on the Internet,,,,,,,,,,

Well, imagine that.
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..."Imagine that"
naibeeru 9th Aug 2010
@trm1945

Had to laugh at that one - nice one, trm1945! happy grin Of course, the implications of that statement - what it does and doesn't say, and whether we really trust ANY government of ANY stripe to actually abide by that - are so convoluted and nebulous as to be beyond any practical, real-world meaning... wink
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I don't trust any one of them...
sismoc Updated - 9th Aug 2010
How soon until ISPs are offering "additional, differentiated online services" like "High Speed Access", "Streaming Video" and "Unlimited Connectivity"? The "traditional broadband Internet access services" will stagnate at their current speed and we will pay through the nose for anything better.

They will soon have their hands even deeper in our pockets.
@sismoc

I'm sure thay already have the outlines of exactly what they are going to do already.
You will now lose internet access for pointing this out happy

Seriously though how disgustingly transparent...
You hit the nail on the head. Most of us already pay plenty for our internet access now. We will be "nickel and dimed" to death for any additional service; actually more like $5 and $10 to death. The providers are looking out for the bottom line and nothing else.
And of course, the restrictions don't even apply to wireless . . . wonder why Verizon and Google (the Android people) would want that?! Anybody here think the future is Wired instead of Wireless?
This should scare anyone that reads it. Surely it can not be good for the citizens who enjoy freedom and competition.
No way...Google and verizon should have NO say so in this!!
I agree with Al_nyc.

Also, when has the government managed anything and it came out good for the consumer.

I believe it's just the government wanting to control freedom of speech and content on the Internet. I think the government should stay out the it should be complete open and not restricted.

rcg
@ricky.gates@...

Medicaid. Social Security. The NIH. The military. Public higher education. Libraries. The FDA. The FDIC. 911 services. The CDC. NASA. The Internet. The Postal Service. Highways. The FAA. Elections. Police.

Yeah, you're right. Things go well when the government stays out of it. Things like Investment Banking. Off shore oil drilling. Health insurance premiums. Green energy investment.
@jdakula I think you messed up your categories.

Medicaid, Social Security, Public higher education, FDA, FDIC, Postal Service, FAA all belong in the second paragraph (with Investment banking, health insurance, etc).

Libraries, 911, Police, elections are the responsibility of your local elected officials.
@jdakula Most of the things you listed are not run well and/or cost way more than they should. Oh, and they were suppose to be regulating Investment banking and off shore drilling. Green Energy Investment, more $$$ for farmers to grow corn. twice the cost/half the efficency of Gas plus pushes up the cost of basic foods in Mexico and Beef price here.

Yeah, we want more of that.
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@jdakula
@ricky.gates@...

Except if the government doesn't regulate it, who will? Surely you are not so gullible to believe that corporate America will simply work for our best intersts? Didn't the BP disaster warn us? How about Enron,World com and other. I'm sure the baks were working for our welfare.
Uh, hows that whole phone, internet and cable TV thingy working out for you? I'm afraid this is an area where the Goverment has to intervene if you want things kept completely open and unrestricted. The commercial interests can make more money if it's not that way, so that's exactly what they have, and will, try to do if somebody doesn't keep a lid on them.
@ricky.gates@...
Federal regulations ALREADY require network neutrality for phone lines. THANK THE LORD!

If this had not been enacted by thoughtful legislators, ONLY THOSE COMPANIES DOING BUSINESS WHO AT&T HAD A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED ACCESS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS (and customers to the businesses of their choice).
I may be a novice when it comes to the internet, but the whole idea sounds horribly wrong. This very Line, "Allow broadband providers to offer additional, differentiated online services, in addition to the Internet access and video services offered today," is the scariest of all. If something new develops, in order to keep true internet neutrality, that new development has to be incorporated into the services already provided, not made as add-ons for an additional fee. You and I know that is exactly what Google and Microsoft is after - more $$ from the public. We are already being over charged for services that barely make any differences, yet you can't get the services you do want and/or need with out paying the "extra" to have the unwanted.
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WTH???
Tesla's Spark 9th Aug 2010
What is FCC's business to stick their nose into wires???
They were created to regulate and police radio waves - frequencies.
Welcome to commie "paradise" by Obamaniacs.
@Tesla's Spark check Bush's record and you will see it would take more than 8 years of trying really hard for Obama to even catch up.
@Tesla's Spark

The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 to take over the responasibilities of the Federal Radio Commission. It was given the responsibility and authority to regulate all non-federal government use of the radio spectrum including radio and television, and all interstate telecommunications including wire, satellite and cable, plus all international communications that originate or terminate in the United States. The FCC took over wired communication regulation from the Interstate Commerce Commission, so the federal government has always regulated wired communications.

Do some reseach and be less ignorant of teh facts.
@Tesla's Spark

Leave your republican BS out of this...if you think the FCC's meddling started with the Obama administration, then I want some of whatever you are smoking! happy

Apparently you don't remember the Janet Jackson fiasco?

I am sure their justification for getting involved is the whole wireless universe...
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Are you on drugs?
JohnVoter 9th Aug 2010
@Tesla's Spark
Seriously, you think that the creation of communication regulations isn't the job of the Federal COMMUNICATIONS Commision? Seriously?

More to the point, you need to read the Communications Act of 1933 and the Telecommunications Act of 1996. BETTER YET, read the Supreme Court decision known as the "Brand X" decision.

Seriously, your ignorance is embarrassing.
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May as well surrendure this freedom too!
jncoons@... 9th Aug 2010
One more camel's nose enters the tent. We lost the [free] press and network television to Obama so we may as well give him the last area for communications freedom. Am I the only one that realizes that the government can unilaterally decide what constitutes "legal content," "neutrality", and "discrimination?"
@jncoons@...

The problem is that it is corporations lie Verizon that wants to limiit your access, not the FCC or the government or Obama. Your blind ideologigal brain is taking over your reason.
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Do you possess a brain?
JohnVoter 9th Aug 2010
@jncoons@...
The consumer has the right to use whatever innovative new web based service they want. THAT IS NET NEUTRALITY SAYS. That is all that net neutrality says.

The alternative is that your internet service provider RESTRICTS which web sites you can use (so as to force you to use a web site they get a kickback from).

Imagine if every phone company let you make phone calls to some companies, but block/degrade calls to others. THAT is what net neutrality is against.
I cant stand this bill, before you know it ill have to login to a vpn connected to an proxy everyday. This completely goes against everything American. This is the same thing China has going on with their internet, and let me remind you that China is communist. This is going to be a huge firewall for all of us. The government will be able to lie to us and we will never know the truth because outside information is cut off. This is a really easy and simple concept to grasp here. It is simply to make the average American citizen more easily controlled. Im glad for verizon! GO VERIZON!
@wakrein

You have it all backwards. Verizon is the one who wants to limit your access, not the FCC. Your ideology is blinding you.
To all who call for unregulated broadband services on the grounds that free markets are always preferable, keep in mind the nature of oligopolistic competition. The structure of this market only supports a relatively small number of providers which easily facilitates collusion (formal or informal) and usurps the benefits enjoyed by consumers (consumer surplus) yielded in transactions. This is especially in the case of inelastic demand as seen in internet service. There are at least a few violations in this market required for perfect competition - very high capital requirements to entry of new providers, increasing economies of scale and customer lock in due to long term contracts. Sure - free markets work great in a lot of instances (though you'd be hard pressed to actually identify a perfectly free market).
@Deerhaven01

Not only hard pressed, but actually impossible because there has never been a completely "free" market in hundreds of years, if ever.
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a free market
erik.soderquist 10th Aug 2010
@Teako

of all the markets in the world, the black market is probably the most free... it is only fettered by hiding from law enforcement. outside of law evasions, the black market is purely supply and demand.

it is the law avoidance that brings the unsavory reputation to the black market, as even people's lives can be bought and sold or simply thrown away to cover up and hide from the law.
"The Comcast court decision called the enforcement of those principles into question"

I don't think so. By saying "legal" Comcast could have still done what they did. While Bit Torrents are not illegal, I am betting greater than 99% of the trafic carried by Bit Torrents is copy-righted and is ilegal.

Basically, this is news? They propose for nothing to change.
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Lets get started
timekeeper21 Updated - 9th Aug 2010
It is an interesting start. Now lets x out some things such as "additional, differentiated online services" add some real penalty like 100 million for the first violation and going up from there and a lot more control. Then the FCC will have a starting point.
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Read the Verizon-Google deal: REJECT!
JohnVoter 9th Aug 2010
I'm sorry to see Google vouch for this "hole"-sum proposal -- meaning that it main component are the loopholes.

If this proposal is enacted into law, my free access to WHATEVER internet site I want to use will be strangled. That is not net neutrality, it is the OPPOSITE of net neutrality.

Oh, by the way, the Verizon-Google proposal will also strangle any innovative new web based service which ISPs don't have a financial interest.

There is only ONE RULE that works: No ISP may show any preference for one web based service (or provider) over another. Period. No exceptions.
I dont trust the government I dont trust Verizon and or Google all they want is more money from your pocketbook. They will come up with all kinds of excuses to take more of your hard earned money, what little is left.
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And I don't trust you
JohnVoter 9th Aug 2010
@shipwrec@...
Despite that fact, I will try to explain that which you don't understand.

Net neutrality says that the consumer can access whatever innovative new web based service some genius comes up with.

FREEDOM TO USE WHATEVER INNOVATIVE INTERNET BASED SERVICE (THINK GOOGLE, VONAGE, ETC) YOU WANT == NET NEUTRALITY.
Yep, go ahead and read those static pages all you want for 60 bucks a month but anything more, pay we will, and dearly......
Takes me back to the 80's - early 90's, 30 bucks a month as I recall and 6 bucks an hour to connect..
History does repeat itself...
and getting Bing search on the iPhone.

Did Jobs know something we didn't... maybe so.
Hmmmm, Verizon as part of a proposal to not regulate wireless providers on the Internet while regulating wired providers, self interest anyone. I only have a choice of dial-up or wireless so FAIL.
"Opponents of net neutrality include large hardware companies and members of the cable and telecommunications industries." Wikipedia

So if you are not advocating Net Neutrality, you are enjoying the tiered, premium services offered by your cable a satellite providers. How's that Pay-per-View working out for your pocket book lately?
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I have 3 points to question
qtrback 10th Aug 2010
#1. What do Verizon and Google know about the future of 'on-line' communications that the general public doesn't? Could it be that they already have product lines created that will provide additional profit that they can't seel now? Could it be that they see porfitable opportunities that can and WILL get around legislation they themselves are creating?

#2. Government regulation isn't the end-all to solving problems. But its the only way we have of safeguarding ourselves from the profitmongering corporations that would tamper with our lives and create a lesser class among internet users. Whatever the legislation, whomever actually writes it (most legislation is written by lobbyists anyhow) legality and fairness will eventually be decided by courts anyhow. a long and expensive process.

#3. Business will serve business!!!! Verizon and Google didn't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in experts and lawyers (not to mention the lobbyists) to keep the internet free. They have a plan of some sort that will eventually bypass whatever legislation is passed. How many of our legislators can even use a blackberry or iPhone for more than making a call? they will be informed about technology in a one sided view (from the corp's side" and will vote accordingly.

In closing, we (the USA) have come so far from our founding father's ideals of how laws shouls be created and passed; who should instigate a law; at whom it should be directed and what it should preserve, that our country is in grave danger of being run by corporations with congressional vote up for sale to the highest bidder. Its a shame but its a reality. We minions simply must go along to get along or be frozen out in the porcess. The ideal of self government is losing its grip. It is becoming more and more a gov't of by and for corporations!!!
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UHH, Sam? . . .
JLHenry 10th Aug 2010
I'm sure that someone has mentioned this already, but in your first paragraph, it should be Legislation, not Legislature . . .
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