Google's Page claims little knowledge about Android, Java license talks

Google's Page claims little knowledge about Android, Java license talks

Summary: Google CEO Larry Page evades questioning from Oracle's legal team over how much knowledge he had in regards to discussions about Java licensing.


SAN FRANCISCO -- After video excerpts of his deposition were presented at trial on Tuesday morning, Google CEO Larry Page was on the stand in the intellectual property case against Oracle by the afternoon.

However, Page offered few concrete answers -- if any -- constantly reasserting that he had little knowledge about any discussions regarding Java licenses needed for Android during a presentation in July 2005 by Google senior vice president Andy Rubin and his team.

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Oracle attorney David Boies asked Page if he knew if some of Google's developers did have access to some intellectual property related to Java. Page replied, "I don't know anything about that."

Boise then pointedly asked Page, "Is it your testimony that you are unaware that certain lines of code in Android were copied symbol-for-symbol from Sun's intellectual property?"

Page replied that he knew there were "some disputes" about files, and that he once discussed this with Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, asking for a copy of this information. Page asserted that he never received it because such evidence must not have been substantial enough.

This cat-and-mouse pattern continued as Boies questioned Page, "If you discovered that Android included some lines of code that had been literally copied from Sun's intellectual property, do you think that would be a violation of Google policy?"

Boies similarly asked, "Is there any circumstance that you could think of that is consistent with a clean-room where you could have line-for-line copying and be consistent with Google standards?"

To both questions, Page responded that it's hard to answer about hypothetical situations, but that such cases would be taken seriously, and he doesn't see any reason as to why such a circumstance wouldn't be possible.

Judge William Alsup called for a break during the middle of Page's examination by Oracle's lawyers. He will retake the stand on Wednesday morning.


Topics: Open Source, Google, Oracle, Software Development

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  • RE: Google's Page claims little knowledge about Android, Java license talks

    Rachel, how about some graphics of Google's organization charts during this time period?
    Rabid Howler Monkey
  • ..

    Hope both actors will find a common agreement, instead of starting endless lawsuits . .
  • It worked for Ronald Regan

    but at least he had alzheimer's, so I could believe him.
    William Farrel
  • Schultz

    As both CEO's....coincidentally both named Schultz testified, "I know nothing!"
  • I believe him.

    There were no talks. There is/was no need to license anything. Just the facts.
  • Interesting

    David Boies was clearly taking a hard line. It was actually a good move by Page to not answer hypotheticals that could hold you guilty in the eyes of the jury.
  • The World Has Changed

    The world was a much nicer, cleaner place before Oracle took over and dismembered Sun. But then, I don't trust Google much more than Oracle. All of this in-fighting is a tremendus waste of time, money, and resource, and does no good to IT. If these big outfits would put half this effort into combating hackers and botnets, not to mention the Chinese thieves, we ALL would be a lot better off.
    • It will set a precedent

      Until now, any company that wanted to develop (and sell) a new product would consider licensing any technology that goes into that product. If they didn't, the day they became successful they would face one or more lawsuits and in many cases will simply go out of business....

      So, if Google is found not guilty, this will set a precedent, and send the message that you can freely copy anyone's IP without worrying about any consequences: by simply answering "oh, I didn't know" and the like.
  • And the winner will be...

    And the winner will be...David Boises!

    How is this for irony...David Boises also represents Barnes and Nobles in it's defense against Microsoft's IP claims against Android and the Nook. So for those that think he it trying to take down Android, pay attention because he serves two masters. Wouldn't it be fitting if his defense of Java actually helped Microsoft's claim against Android.

    Also, I wonder if Page will find it fair for someone to leverage google search or adwords technology to create a new type of social platform without licensing it. I mean they could create a set of slides on Googles failures (that list would be fairly long).