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How do I love my new Mac? Let me count the ways...

By | September 1, 2010, 3:00am PDT

Summary: Remember that old Joan Jett song, “I Hate Myself for Loving You”? That about sums up my relationship with my new Mac.

I thought about calling this post “How a FOSS advocate ended up loving a Mac with Windows 7 running in a virtual machine and a thousand bucks worth of proprietary software cranking alongside it,” but it was longer than headlines should generally be, so I figured I’d just steal from Browning for a title. She wouldn’t mind, although her classic sonnet doesn’t manage to capture the mixture of love and self-loathing that my Mac manages to conjure up.

A bit of back story: I just scored myself a new MacBook Pro this week, courtesy of a sweet lease deal and my oldest son’s need for a Mac for college. I’ve had Macs before and they’ve been perfectly fine computers, but it wasn’t until Apple gave me a long-term loaner that I started seeing that they might actually be worth their inflated prices.

The MacBook Pro I’m using (a 15″ Core i5 with their high-resolution, non-glare display) came in around $2100 with their business discount. My son’s, with a Core i7, upgraded graphics card, and the full-glass high-res display topped out at over $2400. Not pocket change. Nor was Adobe CS5. Or Windows 7. Or Office 2010. I didn’t spring for the $39 to get VMWare Fusion, instead opting to run Windows 7 in VirtualBox, but running VirtualBox, Chrome, and Firefox hardly put me in Richard Stallman territory. It wasn’t all that long ago that I raised the open source software flag daily and ran Ubuntu as my primary server and desktop operating systems. They were free and worked brilliantly. Why pay for software? Or for expensive hardware, for that matter, when commodity hardware will do the trick?

Because, when it comes down to it, I need to be hyper-productive. I have work coming out my ears (I’m not complaining in this economy, but I believe a deliverable for one of my clients actually did just go straight past its deadline and right out my left ear) and, increasingly, my work involves creating both written and visual content for a variety of platforms. I make my living in front of a computer and that computer better be able to do everything I ask of it, even if that’s editing photos in Photoshop, producing audio podcasts, creating the PowerPoint deck to end all PowerPoint decks, or just let me type effortlessly for hours. The Mac does all of that wonderfully in a tough package that I’ll have trouble breaking.

I did mention a healthy dose of self-loathing, though. Why? Because Steve Jobs is evil, the Mac ecosystem is closed in ways that offend every open source sensibility I’ve ever embraced, because the very core of the Apple profit machine is so closely related to Linux whose developers donate their time for the good of IT-kind, and because the very system I love is one that I can’t recommend to the cash-strapped schools for whom I consult. And because the back-lit keyboard is so good that I can’t help but write flowing run-ons like that one.

Even Apple’s announcement surrounding whatever new Apple TV coolness they’re unleashing today is cause for this little internal conflict of mine. Yay! I have a MacBook running Snow Leopard, so I can watch their announcement streaming live! Boo! They’re requiring that everyone who wants to watch the announcement have an updated Apple product while still claiming to be using open standards. Yay! Their new streaming technology is going to improve video quality and bandwidth consumption! Boo! It’s a closed implementation. Ugh.

And yet you don’t see me not buying the Mac on principle, do you? No, her siren song is too strong. And I’m getting too much work done on the only platform where I can legally run OS X, with its fully integrated suites of iLife and iWork applications and snappy performance, alongside Windows 7 and Office 2010, seamlessly integrated through virtual machines, alongside Ubuntu running as a test and development environment for web applications, alongside the best graphics and content creation software that Adobe has to offer. And where I can compose run-on sentences that just never seem to end.

This video probably says it all better than I can. And Joan Jett is way better looking than Elizabeth Barrett Browning.

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Chris Dawson writes ZDNet's Education IT blog. He is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
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RE: How do I love my new Mac? Let me count the ways...
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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There. Sometimes writing can be good therapy.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 1st Sep 2010
I hope it helped and, seriously, good luck with your new equipment.

Much success.
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Macs are the most versatile platforms
jacarter3 1st Sep 2010
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

I am about to buy my third Mac, this time for my wife. I won't be buying a MacBook Pro to replace her aging Sony laptop that runs ubuntu 7.04. She'll get an inexpensive 13" MacBook ($849 after rebate with 2GB RAM that I will upgrade to 4 GB from the DDR3 RAM sticks I have after upgrading this MBP to 8 GB) but it will run Snow Leopard and ubuntu (or maybe Mint) in a boot camp.

My MBP runs Windows XP Pro in Boot Camp (production), Windows 7 Pro with Office 2010 (test and eval) and ubuntu (code devel) as VMs and of course Snow Leopard (graphics). That's pretty much all the OS choices anyone could want. And yes, they all are used and sometimes simultaneously.

Some one on this thread suggested buy an HP i7 for $1800. I have to ask, why? You're getting much less hardware features from a company trying to squeeze every last bit of margin in their all out war with Dell that is preloaded with piles of crapware. What a great deal - NOT! You can buy a very capable MBP for the same price. But I guess if your bound to Windows apps and need Windows, you'll still have to buy it too but keep in mind that you're buying it from HP anyway and in either case you will need to buy Office as well.

Since all of my work is done on a computer, I don't see the additional cost as anything more than an investment (that you can write off in most cases) in increased productivity, which enhances the bottom line and pays for the investment rather quickly. People that whine about $2300 (new MBP) versus $1800 (HP i7) really can't afford the $1800 in the first place and should perhaps stick with that POS Vista machine they invested in a few years back.

Fortunately, I didn't waste a penny on Vista (saving more than the difference in costs) and didn't buy Office 2007 until MS introduced the Tech Guarantee which got me the upgrade to Office 2010 for free. Oh and BTW, the Ribbon does stink. Thanks for asking...
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RE: How do I love my new Mac? Let me count the ways...
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 1st Sep 2010
@jacarter3
If you are happy. Good.
P.S. I don't have anything good to say about HP. Avoid like 'the plague'.
@jacarter3: People that whine about $2300 (new MBP) versus $1800 (HP i7) really can't afford the $1800 in the first place and should perhaps stick with that POS Vista machine they invested in a few years back.

Here's a prime example why.

My MBP runs Windows XP Pro in Boot Camp (production), Windows 7 Pro with Office 2010 (test and eval) and ubuntu (code devel) as VMs and of course Snow Leopard (graphics). That's pretty much all the OS choices anyone could want. And yes, they all are used and sometimes simultaneously.

If the Mac is so wonderful why the need to run XP?
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frgough 1st Sep 2010
because most of the world is married to mediocrity, and the rest of us have to accommodate it from time to time.
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@frgough: because most of the world is married to mediocrity, and the rest of us have to accommodate it from time to time.
@ye
Ahh flame wars happy Why are you hung up about his need or desire to use XP? Sounds like he's a developer and needs to develop for it, or perhaps run certain Windows-only software he needs, like Visual Studio, and is giving Vista a wide berth. I have a Mac and a Dell Inspiron E521 with Vista; the Dell is all but unusable now, as Vista grinds my AMD64 to a near standstill, even with a fresh profile. Windows 7 would be nice on it, but I am not about to pay for it now I have a Mac, the best damn PC I ever owned, both in terms of hardware and software, even if it is enclosed and only the RAM can be easily upgraded. OSX is a joy to work with in every way that XP, Vista or Ubuntu (and numerous other Linux distros) never was, at least for me. The keyboard is the best keyboard I've ever used even. I could use another mouse, though.
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@jmsandersen: Why are you hung up about his need or desire to use XP?

Which implies he's doing more than development on/for it (given he said test/evaluation/development for the other alternative OSes).

OSX is a joy to work with in every way that XP, Vista or Ubuntu (and numerous other Linux distros) never was, at least for me.

Yet almost everyone who says this has some version of Windows installed. Go figure.
@jacarter3 I would suggest you are simply ignorant of how to buy decently priced equipment. There is no Mac laptop that has better hardware than a readly available laptop from several manufacturers for around $700 max.

Just a note to the author tho, thank god you aren't Andrew or my faith in ZDNet would be totally shaken beyond repair haha. Since it's not Andrew, I can take this silly post with a grain of salt.
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@jacarter3 Yep, you're Stevie's dream customer; thrilled you didn't "waste" a penny on an MS product, and using a way overpriced HP for comparsion. Nice job of rationalization, Steve would be proud.
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@jacarter3 Can't see the difference between the i5 and i7. Can barely see a difference between the i3 and the i5. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
@Socratesfoot

Can anyone see the difference between 4 CPUs and 8 CPUs under Task Manager? Eight simultaneous running independent threads?

Both the i3 and i5 do not implement hyperthreading whereas the i7 does.

A good synopsis and read here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-5.html
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@ye

?Yet almost everyone who says this has some version of Windows installed. Go figure.?

There are a few small things that are only working in Windows like some (usually business related?) websites that require ActiveX and Internet Explorer.

But limitations are there with Windows too, like when you want to connect to an AFP server with a Windows machine...
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@ye Don't hate, appreciate... The Mac is a great computer- and when developing websites, web apps, etc, you need to make sure they run in Windows...
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@jacarter3 Oh... fanboyism us strong in you... XD
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@ all the usual MS shills
jacarter3 2nd Sep 2010
Yes, I still use Win XP for everyday tasks as I am forced to because of highly expensive and specialized software that won't run on a Mac (and I wish sooo very much that this was not the case and I could leave the windows debacle of patches, updates and DLL vulnerabilities completely behind). I am still very anxious about Win 7 especially the visibility of folders that are not shared and no one should be able to see or access from another computer (this is a documented "feature"). So I run it sand boxed as a VM until I am done assessing software compatibility and security (test and eval - get it?).

I make well over 6 figures using my computer. It is absolutely the most important asset in my work so I am not interested in cheap, zero margin PCs ever, especially from Dell or HP. I used the HP as an example, because as I mentioned before, some one else brought that model up. And the number of CPU cores (between i5 and i7) is not very relevant as most of the Windows software that I use does not support even 2 cores and I rarely have ever fully utilized more than 90% of the CPU cycles. But I can tell you that the $700 puters mentioned by mlbslugger will never be purchased by me when I can buy a MacBook for $850. I have been forced to use those zero margin POS puters at clients sites and know very well how much value they have (none except as boat anchors).

Anyone that rates any computer solely by its CPU speed and number of cores is purely an idiot. There is much more to a robust and comprehensive platform than the processor. That's the main difference between machines and my research has yet to find a notebook/laptop that came even close to the number of peripheral devices and ports that my MBP has which alone is worth the difference in cost.

Do I have fanboyism because I can think independently of the shills? No. Actually I am someone that has used Windows since 1985 and version 1.03, beta tested NT for the first 3 versions including NT on an Alpha processor and still use Windows today. I am also someone that is completely over the lack of quality and innovation in Windows and wish nothing more than the chance to never have see it again. I am not alone. This is why I have multiple laptops that used to run Windows that now only run ubuntu. So if I am a fanboy, just what do you believe I am a fan of?

Hint: it's not Windows or anything else - I am a fan of getting my work done and every OS has its uses and strong points. Of these, Windows is the weakest but has that great feature called lock-in. Ye, that's why I still run it - not because I like it or so far like Win 7 (which just crashed and burned with the Explorer process error and required a cold reboot) any better.

Have a nice day and flame on. Apparently you all like hearing each other flame anyone that is not a Windows fanboy. Have fun and keep in mind your opinions are irrelevant.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate
Good comment and once again I add my "Different strokes for different folks" as a user at one time or another of several OS.
Still have a 17" Hp laptop with pretty good gear but personally use mostly an iMac. Not a fan of some of the Apple "principles, either .. but that could be said for a lot of things these days.

Good wishes to all in what ever boat floats.

If we let
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banned from zdnet 1st Sep 2010
chris, i am glad that you finally see the light and give yourself a treat and a boost in productivity instead of going on buying the cheapest crap around.

but man, you really got issues. how is steve jobs evil? are you crazy? what did he do to you? or anyone? this man is running one of the most successful companies on earth giving 100 of million people products they love. evil? i have no words for that bs.

and yes this new and much improved streaming technology apple is using today is totally open source, anyone can implement it in their products with no fees attached. but of course it is apple's fault that the other companies don't support it (yet).

and apple is not giving back to the open source community? you gotta be kidding. how about webkit for a start.

you ideological blind open source fanatics are really the worst of the geek bunch down here in the apple hating blogosphere. i am glad it didn't keep you from making a sane buying decision, but you had to put in some absurd anti-apple drivel in your post. just can't help yourself, can you?
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Cylon Centurion 1st Sep 2010
@banned from zdnet

Quickly becoming the man he sought to fight off in his "1984" commercial. He is as closed off as anyone can be, and honestly, I'm surprised he hasn't caught the attention of anti-trust regulators yet...
@NStalnecker,
Only to the windows zealots. Seriously Steve Jobs is only one man, there are more people at Apple that make decisions. Steve is just the public face of Apple. Yes he is an anal retentive, but that can be a good thing. At least he doesn?t throw chairs at employees.
@Rick_K and Others...

HP I agree is garbage. I prefer Asus. I can get this best rated beauty for 1K with free 1 year drop kick it warranty.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220696

I see nothing in OSX that will benefit me or help me in any way. Everyone talks about VM's and so on... Why? Just run Windows directly and cut out the middle man trying to run Windows in a secondary environment. When you buy a MBP or any other Crashntoss it does come with iWork and iCrap which you have to pay for as you would with Office and so on. I run Ubuntu with Wubi dual boot so one OS does not interfere with the other. Linux and I would say Ubuntu in specific is in a sense like having OSX but a far superior OS and fully open source. iWork costs money but OpenOffice doesn't. Software for science, graphic design and so on cost money on a Crapple but free in Ubuntu. I still see it as a waste of time and just a way to jump on the hairy flat footed bandwagon / Hipster loser bandwagon of fashion products. They do serve as a great iDiot barometer though. I live in Cupertino and the irony is 95% of Crapple users look like pedophiles and hipster druggies. Only very few look professional and normal. Sorry I'm not part of that. I'll take my variety of hardware and software without being bound to a fruit logo. kthxbye
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smtp4me@... 1st Sep 2010
@NStalnecker
You gotta love a company who responds to a product design flaw as follows:
"Yeah, we know your iPhone has bad reception and dropped calls, but it's your own fault for holding it the wrong way!"
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@Rick_K

I heard a rumor (that I just made up, I heard it because I said it outloud while thinking it so technically it's true) that they removed all the chairs from that man's office, everyone has to stand now... happy
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@audidiablo

-> I see nothing in OSX that will benefit me or help me in any way.

You're probably not an iPhone app developer, but in order to create iPhone apps, you MUST be running OSX to download and install the iPhone SDK.

I'd never buy a Mac just to create iPhone apps and all the productivity apps I currently use work just fine in Windows, so again, no incentive to buy Mac.

-> Everyone talks about VM's and so on... Why?

This I can answer easily. A virtual machine allows you to run other operating systems without having to reboot (dual boot scenario) or having to have a second system. Virtual machines are the web developer's best friend so that they can test not just on different browsers, but on different OSs. They are also great for server farms where they want to reduce the number of physical boxes and yet still have the ability bring a new server online quickly to increase capacity.
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@NStalnecker

-> "Quickly becoming the man he sought to fight off in his "1984" commercial."

Becoming? Or raising that behavior to an all new level of perfection?

I'd say the latter but that's just me.
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@NStalnecker That antenna crap surfacing again... I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but ALL cell phones will drop calls if you hold them the "wrong way"... it says so right in black and white in the users manuals. "Don't cover this area when you hold the phone because this is where the antenna is, and it will cause you to have a degraded signal and drop calls."
Don't hate- appreciate!
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Evil??!
tomogden 1st Sep 2010
If Steve Jobs is 'evil', I'm a vermicious knid!

Could it be that you're an open source zealot who believes only in a socialistic tech economy? No such thing, you know.

Or is it you love only the underdog and had the victorious? Maybe you're too young to remember all the years Steve Jobs and his faithful were in a marked minority, the very embodiment of virtue in technology, at least as underdogs were concerned?
@tomogden You ARE a vermicious knid. Scram!
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@banned from zdnet but man, you really got issues. how is steve jobs evil? are you crazy? what did he do to you? or anyone? this man is running one of the most successful companies on earth giving 100 of million people products they love. evil? i have no words for that bs.

Yeah, that makes him a great guy, heading a company that caters to elitist cultists that imagine themselves as wiser and more tech-savvy because they pay twice as much for their gear (or more) and have Apple-proclaimed elders, whoops, i mean "geniuses" for mentors. Never mind the fact that he's known for being mercenary, merciless, and uncaring about his employees or business associations, but he sure is good at looking out for good old #1. Meanwhile, I'll ignore the "Bill Gates is Satan" poster that some Mac zealot had posted at work. And all the 'get a Mac' posts that invaded every legitimate PC forum for years, with all the lies that their nice Macs never had any problems. And the depiction of anyone who uses a PC (TV commercial, for example) as a bumbling fool dork.
Nope, that's why, though ideally everyone should just be able to buy and use what they like, overpriced or not, that's why when I see the i-diot in the lobby with the big Apple logo glowing, I don't look at him in awe of his wisdom and coolness. I look at him/her as a status-seeking fool who will buy things to try to make themselves look like they're something they're not...lonely fools who need their cult friends to reinforce their adequacy, their imagined superiority. Applebots have brought it upon themselves, year after year of arrogance, annoyance, utter BS, smugness are paying off. Now when you say "I love my Mac" you don't get the respect you thought you once did, except from your fellow cultists. You reap what was sown for years, and there's no one else to blame but your Mac i-diot predecessors.
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@garyleroy@... Wow! You just proved to me that its possible to have a persecution complex and a superiority complex at the same time. "Elitist Culists"? Like people haven't been shaking their heads about the Windows devout for years and still do. You wear a BSOD like a badge of honor.

Look! When MY computer crashes it displays TEXT, like a REAL computer!! Beep Bop Boop! LOL!
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@garyleroy@... I know that the piddly amount of people I know is small in the big picture- BUT- When any of my regular customers have switched to Mac, they HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM. Seriously. The only reason they keep calling me is to teach them how to do certain things, install software, and very occasionally, restore the dock to how it was when they lose their icons.
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@banned from zdnet Well, he did say he hates himself for loving Mac. You had to expect a little bit of negativity. Like a hen pecked man, when the wife isn't around he'll talk all big...but he knows where he belongs.
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@banned from zdnet C'mon now- not ALL open source loving, Ubuntu running geeks hate Apple OR Steve Jobs... You make some very good points here- bravo!
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Hardware Options
dvm Updated - 1st Sep 2010
Instead of buying a $2100 / $2400 MacBook Pro, HP had the EliteBook 8540p with i7 processor with a nVidia Quadro card with 1GB of VRAM, 4GB of RAM and 3yr warranty for $1600.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/321957-321957-64295-3740645-3955549-4097214-4096171-4126673.html
That's $500 less [per machine, plus there is no need for virtualize Office 2010, an application far better than Office for Mac or iWorks. Plus it will many of the other applications you mentions, like CS5, FF adn Chrome. But if you like MacOS so much over Windows 7, then the only option was the MacBook Pro. But talking from a hardware POV, HP and Lenovo had better options.
@dvm: ...on it. Whether it be a VM or through Bootcamp. If you buy a Mac it should be to run OS X.
on the market. So why not buy what runs Windows the fastest if Windows is what you want and fast is what you want?
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Accept that some things you will never understand.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 1st Sep 2010
@ye
Accept for example that some will not use Windows for philosophical and technical reasons.

For me, I use Windows in the workplace.
For personal use, and for security's sake I prefer the base system be non-Windows, in my case Ubuntu Linux.

We can get into a spat about security, but you know where I stand on that. My base system runs Ubuntu and I have a copy of Windows XP running in a VirtualBox VM in 'immutable' mode.

For those who aren't aware, one can set up in VMware, KVM, and VirtualBox a VM so that the O/S will drop all session changes when shut down.

Effectively, immutable means that a Virus cannot take hold in your Windows.

Immutable is a good solution to consider if you are running OSX or Linux with a VM of Windows as we know all too well that the current state of Windows security is defective.

There is no solution in sight that will be provided by MS to parallel what Linux Security Modules does for Linux (to sandbox a given App).

Unless an LSM security solution is provided by MS, the security issues will continue to abound, so I would advise users consider using my technique of a VM of Windows running in 'immutable' state.

It is effective. And substantially I only use Windows XP to access our data center via SonicWall VPN. Other than that, I have no other use for it at present.

Thanks ye and I hope you will make an attempt to reassess your viewpoint.
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What does this mean?
ye Updated - 1st Sep 2010
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate: Thanks ye and I hope you will make an attempt to reassess your viewpoint.

What point of view do you think I need to reasses?

Immutable is a good solution to consider if you are running OSX or Linux with a VM of Windows as we know all too well that the current state of Windows security is defective.

So you keep saying but never supporting.
I needed a Windows laptop so I wrote out all of my requirements and started studying the alternatives. Trust, me, trust me when I say that the last thing I wanted to buy was a product from the evil empire that is Apple. However, after looking at all the specs, the MBP fit my needs better than any other. So far, I'm very happy with my MBP Windows laptop.

A year later, not a whole lot has changed. My friend was looking for a laptop so we spent a couple hours looking at alternatives. She ended up with an MBP Windows laptop too.

Only a zealot would automatically purchase something based on brand or automatically reject something based on brand. Since I am a NonZealot, I could not reject the MBP simply because it was made by Apple. I bought my laptop despite the fact that Apple (ugh) made it, certainly not because of it. Same goes for my iPhone.
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@NonZealot: Where I take issue is the fanboys who champion how wonderful the Mac is (and by Mac I mean OS X because that's what makes a Mac a Mac) and then load it up with an alternative OS in order to do their work.

Yes I can understand the occasional Windows only application. But Office 2010?
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NonZealot 1st Sep 2010
@ye
and by Mac I mean OS X because that's what makes a Mac a Mac

I don't think OS X is what makes a Mac a Mac.

I agree 100% about the idiocy of the Apple fanboy (and the Linux fanboy) who talks about how much Windows sucks and then immediately loads it up whenever they need to get any real work done. happy
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@ye

Hmm, let's see...

1. Some software only comes in Windows and others only in Mac.

2. Cross-platform development and testing

All on one machine, running at the same time. Why would you not in this case?
@Too_Busy_To_Be_Here: Some software only comes in Windows and others only in Mac.

The number of "Mac only" software is limited and doesn't apply to the majority of people using OS X and have Windows installed.

Cross-platform development and testing

Again a limited user base which is not reflected by the number of people who have OS X and Windows installed.
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@Dietrich

-> "...as we know all too well that the current state of Windows security is defective."

Actually the current state of Windows security is very good. What's bad is that there's a problem in the interface between the keyboard and chair.

I run Windows on two separate system (running Ubuntu in a VM) and I NEVER have security problems. So basically it comes down to users being the problem by installing garbage, not keeping their computers up to date, not having a decent antivirus and malware scanner, (all of which are free), etc.

Your solution is to put all users on Linux, my solution is to educate the users and then let them choose.

Which do you think will better the world? Educated users who make conscious and aware choices, or force uneducated users onto Linux after filling them with your anti-MS venom which was true in the past but is no longer?
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate: Let's start with the name:

"Rootkit with Blue Screen"

I took the liberty of highlighting a very important word. Being a Linux guy I hope you'll understand the important of it. You were saying?
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@frgough

That is pure BS only gullible neophytes would believe.

I just got for my son entry into high-school a Dell Studio i7 8GB DDR3, BluRay, 1080 Full HD LED display, 500GB Hybrid SSD for $1600 that will run rings around any top of the line MacBook Pro. Pfft! And just to shut-up the iCult zealots, runs OSX 10.6 for a mere $30 extra virtualized, in addition to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Why not? LMAO! Native OS is Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Office 2010 x64. I don't believe in 32-bit crapola. It also dual-boots Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V. Complete care including accidental damage warranty, next business day in house. Try to get that with Apple.

Face it, they are all made at the same place, with the same components, by the same people at Foxconn, also manufacturers of XBox360, Wii, iPhones, Sony PS2&3, HP, Dell, Cisco, etc...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=foxconn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn

People, please do some research as an educated consumer before spreading BS and propaganda.

Flexibility? Why would anyone lock themselves in? Must be the Stockholm Syndrome.
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RE: How do I love my new Mac? Let me count the ways...
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