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From the Black Hat Briefings in Las Vegas,

Topic: Tech Industry

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  • Sure, why not?

    After all, X works fine for thin clients. The original and still the greatest :-)

    However, for those rare applications that utterly [b]must[/b] run on MS platforms, there's server-hosted VMWare. Works like a champ over X.

    Since that's the very platform mix in use at half-a-dozen companies around here, I'm pretty sure that it's not exactly rocket science.
    Yagotta B. Kidding
  • Terminal devices are the ones for Linux

    There are many thin clint applications, especially for special enterprise applications. For example, treminal system for POS, inventory control, etc. In other words, terminal systems that have very simple user interface requirements and do simple things. That's the area Linux can explore!

    In fully-blown desktop area, Linux has no place.
  • What?

    "Microsoft has finally decided to embrace and extend the
    trend, offering thin-client Windows against VARs like
    Citrix?and Neoware."

    Have they really? For a company that talks about product
    release several years in advance, the best link you can
    provide to support your claim is a rumour! MS has
    announced nothing.

    "In the Linux world the Linux Terminal Service Project?offers
    a solution, but one with the baggage often associated (by
    enterprises) with Linux solutions."

    The linux solution is simply and X Server pointing to a
    display manager. The other components will already be
    supported by any IT operation (eg DHCP, tftd). Any number
    of companies can provide support for this configuration,
    including a number of thin client hardware manufacturers
    (eg WYSE).

    Disappointing blog.
    Richard Flude
  • Citrix

    Lets see here, BUY a server that can handle MAYBE 50 users at a time. NOW buy 50 Citrix licenses. Oh, yeah NOW buy 50 M$ licenses! NOW you can use Windoze on UNIX! What a GREAT solution (said in a sarcastic tone).

    Windoze and thin client? WHY!?! The worst of ALL worlds . . .
    Roger Ramjet
    • Terminal Cost

      Using a Linux thin client to access a Windows server does have its valid points, one of those being cost. You can typically obtain a Linux terminal for a lesser price than a comparative model running XP embedded. If you are trying to save some money while still providing a Windows desktop to your users then this is the way to go.
      • Xtreme Thin Client offered by Lumen Software

        Lumen Software offers a $200 thin client for use with its Linux based S2D product distributed by Novell.
        Don Keeler
  • Challenge

    With client getting cheaper and powerful,
    I think software should be written to
    automatically distribute loads between
    server and client. The Java distributed
    computing can be a good example.
  • Value in choosing graduated solutions like SafeDesk


    Graduated solutions offered by companies like SafeDesk Solutions provide a good fit for compaines who want point to point control of the desktop experience while moving to a web enabled model. These types of solution providers offer value for any company, consider these points:

    Retain equipment in a longer service cycle when converted to thin clients.

    Maintain a deployment model that meet operational needs and technology services.

    Sustain a model of services that is affordable, inspires, and fosters solutions.

    Furthermore I can tell you first hand that using Safedesk Solutions product is saving an institution I work at around $400 per desktop we convert rather than upgrade to the latest winFatClient. These types of graduated solutions may not fit everywhere, but they have a place and offer great value for companies who are web enabled or are moving in that direction.

    • Great Example

      The system you used may not deliver similar savings in every case. But your experience offers a powerful case study that this system can work.

      Thanks, too, to everyone else who has contributed to a healthy discussion.
  • Ran LTSP CyberCafe in Pullman (nearby Spokane)

    My experience running an average 15 Linux thin-clients with perfect strangers six days per week, busily for one full year was a very good one. Thin-clients suffer in the market from a variety of misperceptions. Linux based systems like LTSP provide even far greater capabilities than traditional thin-clients with firmware built-in.

    A well-engineered Linux/Windows-TS based solution looks somethign like this: Two or more, redundant Linux servers; two or more redundant Windows XP servers (running on vmware on the Linux servers or on separate hardware using RDP/rdesktop); A good RAID array SAN for home directories; a recent version of KDE; at least 100BaseT subnet for every 200 clients; and diskless clients with at least 32MB, expandable to 512MB or more, capable of etherboot or PXE booting.

    Advantages over a typical fat-client setup include:

    1. Greatly reduced support costs
    2. Greatly improved reliability
    3. Greatly reduced administration and support time
    4. Increased security
    5. Reduced bandwidth utilization (typically)

    Downsides include:

    1. For Windows applications, there is no support for 3D exceleration on the clients (but for Linux applications, there is).
    2. Some application vendors do not explicitly support Windows terminal services; although they don't normally not support it either, and it's very unlikely to find an application not run normally on it.

    Other notes: Do not use Wine--it's definitely not support by most application vendors and isn't reliable enough. Instead, use real Windows in vmware or a separate hardware server and the rdesktop client on Linux. SuSE or Gentoo are very good distributions. SuSE works great out of the box, but Gentoo can be better customized if you have the time to spend on it. I recommend being careful of some Gnome applications such as Evolution, as it does not work properly over remote X. The whole of KDE works great and the desktop sharing feature is particularly useful for helpdesk support.

    If I can assist with any other information, you can contact me at:

    Matthew C. Tedder
  • Linux Thin Client Solution

    Novell offers Lumen Softwares S2D Linux base thin client computing solution. This is the original solution which is based on the LTSP.
    Don Keeler
    • 2+ Years of Implementation Case Studies

      The S2D product of Lumen Software has over 2+ years of implementation case studies. S2D is also able to take advantage of all the Lumenation modules (appliations) that are specirfically designed to operate on Linux through the Firefox browser, Survey Management System, Image Gallery, Help Desk Management system, CRM, enterprise calendar, web content management system, Inservice Management System, and more.
      Don Keeler
  • Symbio Technologies

    With the Symbiont Boot Appliance from Symbio Technologies, you can easily connect diskless thin clients to Citrix, Windows Terminal Services, Linux, Unix, IBM mainframes, NX server, and do so simultaneously!

    The boot appliance simply boots the terminals (using LTSP technology) and connects them to your application servers. If you are setting up a diskless thin client network, a seperate boot appliance is a must-have.

    Plus, if your organization is still not ready to push Linux to the desktop, don't let that keep you from taking advantage of the power of diskless computing. With a Symbiont Boot Appliance and a Windows Terminal Server, your boss will never know he's not on a fat client.

    Symbio Technologies is dedicated to building products around LTSP. We are experts and are amongst the core developers of LTSP.

    To find out more about The Symbiont Solution and our products, find us at:

    Once you go diskless, you'll never go back!