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Logitech's Google TV debacle: What went wrong (everything)

By | July 28, 2011, 12:15pm PDT

Logitech reported a disappointing quarter and named an interim CEO. The company’s Google TV experiment is one of the reasons why.

Granted, Logitech can’t blame Google TV completely. After all, the company is in the crosshairs as PC sales remain anemic. Logitech makes peripherals that take a hit when PCs aren’t flying off the shelves.

But Logitech’s well documented Google TV woes aren’t helping matters much. About a year ago, Logitech made a big bet on Google TV to be a digital home player. Its flagship product was the Revue (CNET Review). Now the company has too much Revue inventory and not enough buyers. The solution: Logitech is dropping the price from $249 to $99 and hoping a new user interface can save the day. Remember when then Google CEO Eric Schmidt was yapping about how the TV would be just like your PC? Even Google fans like Sam Diaz went from revolution to disappointment in a few months over Google TV and the Revue.

Oh well. Logitech reported a fiscal first quarter loss of $45 million on revenue of $480 million, up slightly from the previous year.

Related: Logitech to cut Revue price to $249. Another sign Google TV = Fail?

Acting CEO Guerrino De Luca said on Logitech’s earnings conference call:

Let me begin with the Digital Home, specifically with the repricing of Logitech’s Revue, or GoogleTV. We launched Revue with the expectation that it would generate significant sales growth in spite of a relatively high price point and the newness of both the Smart TV category and the underlying platform. In hindsight, there are a number of things we should have done differently, but let me be clear on one point. Engaging with Google was the right thing to do. It allows us to build a strong relationship with a technology leader, which promises to bear more fruit down the road, and to develop a thorough understanding of the emerging smart TV market.

Looking at $249 price points for Logitech Revue, it was clear to me that there was a significant gap between our price and the value perceived by the consumer. I felt it was critical that we eliminate the gap by lowering the price and making it easier for the consumer to focus on what I believe is an attractive value proposition. We obviously paid a significant price for this decision. But I am convinced this action will accelerate sales of Revue and allow us to move forward. Our commitment to an enthusiasm for the digital home opportunity is unchanged. We plan to participate in a variety of ways using harmony as the centerpiece of our strategy and focusing on smart TV, audio, and video products and solutions. We continue to believe that the digital home represents a strong growth opportunity for Logitech.

De Luca was pelted by analysts, who argued that Logitech mispriced the Revue from the very beginning.

De Luca said:

On Revue, what went wrong, what can I say? I think at the beginning we believed fully in the fact that the price point was justified, that the richness of the offer was such that the consumer would have seen that value. In truth, you’re right, we were wrong. And partly due to the fact that GoogleTV has not yet fully delivered to its whole promises, witness the absence for now of an app market which I believe is a unique differentiator between GoogleTV and other competitive approach, as well some evolutions that are needed in content in UI. That said, I made the decision of cutting the price, or planning to cut the price, is pretty recent, and therefore I can say in summary that I agree with you. That we misvalued what the consumers saw in the box. That said, at $99 it’s an incredibly appealing proposition. And if you add to that the incredible value of that plus our TV cam that would enable you to have a truly social video communication experience in your living room for $250 or less, it’s unheard of. And I believe the consumers will see that.

De Luca followed up and noted that Google TV will get new software at the end of September with an app market. “It’s a major update to the platform. It’s what the platform should always have been, particularly the addition of the App Store for Android apps for the TV,” he said. “The good news is that all these beautiful new things will run on the existing box.”

We’ll find out soon enough. Even at $99, the Revue has to compete with Roku and Apple TV at the same price. Hey consumers, is Logitech’s Google TV deal a steal at $99?

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RE: Logitech's Google TV debacle: What went wrong (everything)
BLAlley Updated - 15th Feb
@Userama "people don't want to have to use a full keyboard to control a TV set-top box." Yes, they do. I LOVE the full keyboard. In fact, there are a couple of buttons missing, in my opinion. The keyboard is what sold me on the Revue, vs. none, or the awkward mini keys on the Sony.
Logitech's problem is that their quality has consistently gone down over the last five years.
@Teran Quality No 1, i see it the Apple of accessories
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I'd have to disagree with that. I have several mice and peripherals from them within the past 3 years and all have been solid. The reason I have 4 mice from them is that I have several machines. Being a heavy user for productivity and gaming, I've beaten their products to hell and even threw one against the wall as a test only to pick it up and start using it again no problem.
@Silverback1138

Agreed. Logitech's quality is second to none, according to user ratings and techie ratings on various websites.

One person said that he basically stepped on his Logitech Marathon Mouse one time and it kept on working for another year after that incident.
@Teran IDK what you bought but Logitech is the best peripheral company out there IMO.

I currently have an old G9 and a G15 and both are still working to perfection. I might get a G9x or the new G700!
At $99 I might pick one up and play with it but I doubt it can compete with my Apple TV which I can control from my iPhone and iPad and stream iTunes. AirPlay is awesome too! VEVO is one of the best Apps for AirPlay.
But really the problem with this isn't the price. It's just a half baked turd. No one wants yet another set top box and yet another remote. TV's are sold with built in wifi now just like the laptops of yesteryear. My tv already has a power supply. Use it. My tv already has an IR reciever. Use it. etc. etc. etc. And a google tc app store? Are you kidding me? Havent you noticed that the android appstore is crammed full of malware/spyware? Do you want to be trying to watch the superbowl only to have some fandroid pwn your set and stream you his fanboi manifesto video on every channel. Do you want google tracking what you watch and when you watch it and selling that to anyone who'll pay and making it searchable by anyone in the world. Do you want hackers watching everything that goes on in the room in front of your tv by hacking your webcam and streaming the juicy parts? Sorry no not hitching my wagon to anything that has googles greasy little fingers anywhere inside it...
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compare the Logitech Revue remote with an Apple TV remote.
The number of Revue buttons is.....what...about 15 times the number of ATV buttons. Note to Logitech (and Sony, and all other Google TV suppliers): people don't want to have to use a full keyboard to control a TV set-top box.
@Userama UI design... for the semi-functional retard?
@Userama I would have to disagree. They keyboard is very nice when surfing the net, filling out forms etc..... all while watching tv (pip). For a remote, I use my phone app both iphone and google phone which has all the functionality I need. Plus the ability to stream my multi-media is awesome. This is the best thing since mom's apple pie. I have Samsung's BRD with interent tv and I have Roku. Neither can compare to what you get with the Revue.
@Userama "people don't want to have to use a full keyboard to control a TV set-top box." Yes, they do. I LOVE the full keyboard. In fact, there are a couple of buttons missing, in my opinion. The keyboard is what sold me on the Revue, vs. none, or the awkward mini keys on the Sony.
Just a bad idea from the start. It had Google's name on it. Plenty of things that went wrong.
Certainly the inital price point was ridiculous. You can get an Xbox 360 for $200, a PS3 for $300, a Wii for $150. So $250 for a box with no DVD/BlueRay doesn't make much sense. One could buy a full computer that has all these options for nearly that price. For me I already have several Xbox 360s, several computers that connect to my TVs and my main TV has apps and network connectivity. Why would I buy another box, even at $99?
@grayknight the problem of it was in the Google TV Platform, which was not ready, most likely it will be updated with Android 3.2 which support Gaming, USB and Resolution adjustment so you could use apps in different screens, also Android Apps support
Well I guess we can add Google+ & Google TV to the FAIL list.
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swisslakes 28th Jul
I think we will going to see a more diversified Logitech.
1-Audio non PC
2-More Mac accessories
3-Enterprise & SMB
4-Digital Home
5-PC & Tablets
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guihombre 28th Jul
They put the web on the TV (does anyone want that?), which meant they put a mouse cursor on the Google TV (because the designers at Google are programmers not designers) which meant you have an awful thing: a box that you want to watch TV on and related stuff, but instead it wants to be a PC and surf the net.
Logitech == Overpriced, with few if any exceptions, this GoogleTV thing was way out of line for what it actually provided.
may be Apple TV @ $99 killed it?
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kangkangee Updated - 29th Jul
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Where is the $99 price?
rouxster 29th Jul
Where will they be selling for $99? I haven't seen the price break yet. I'll pick one up to try it for $99, especially since its getting new software in September.
So when does the class action lawsuit begin?
I wonder how many of these negative comments have the product. I have used both Logitech and Sony. Whilie I initially thought I would like the Logitech product better because the Sony remote looked like the most confusing keyboard ever, it is actually much easier to use. I use the Google TV on my Sony NSX46GT1 just about every day. It was on sale, so it was a good price for a TV and you got the Google product as well.
I wonder how many of these negative comments have the product. I have used both Logitech and Sony. Whilie I initially thought I would like the Logitech product better because the Sony remote looked like the most confusing keyboard ever, it is actually much easier to use. I use the Google TV on my Sony NSX46GT1 just about every day. It was on sale, so it was a good price for a TV and you got the Google product as well.
Yes, the original price was too high. You could buy a $6 cable and use any android phone/tablet you already owned for nearly the same capabilities, including using the Revue's keyboard (available seperately) to control it.
Yes, it is worth $99 if you get it packaged with the keyboard. I bought one at $99, and have had it installed for 2 days now. It updated itself once already, and when the Honeycomb update arrives it'll be an even better internet/tv appliance.

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I'd say the price point was wrong, now about right. It now becomes a chicken and egg issue, not enough apps to drive sales, not enough sold to drive app development.

My revue arrived yesterday. My roku is going into the bedroom now.
I'd say right now the 2 systems are almost even in functionality. Roku has lots more channels but GTV has full keyboard (much faster than the point and click alphabet box on roku and the android and iphone remote apps are light years ahead of the 7 button roku remotes and all that's really needed).
If not using advanced functions of GTV (watching a tv channel while surfing, etc) you can still use your standard remote, the Revue just passes the signal through. If update for Revue in the fall with a market there will be no contest, GTV will kick roku's butt. The full qwerty is only half the remote, there is a nice functionally set up touch pad and cursor entry pad on the right side so if you aren't entering an URL (yes it has a fully functional and reasonably fast version of chrome, ordered pizza on it last night) you don't need qwerty. So far I know first hand that netflix is much better on Revue. Playback is quicker, FF / Rew much faster. Hulu you can search/browse on revue but not play which is also true of the major networks but so far TNT, TBS and PBS and acorn tv aren't blocked and I'm guessing hulu plus will have an app sometime soon. The hulu plus app on roku sucks anyway.
With the exception of netflix so far none of the apps I use costs a dime.
How much does apple tv do for free?
Not being able to hook it up to your computer and add apps to it that way was where they went wrong. Everyone has their media, such as videos and songs on the computer and without a way to get those files on the google tv it is a fail. Google should have learned from apple on this.

Fred
direct response media buyer
I bought one of the boxes @$99.

The UI is not all that great and the lack of apps is obvious. I expected better. I can get most of what I want through my computer with my TV as a second screen. Works great, but I wanted to take the burden off my computer.

I am eagerly awaiting the upgrade with hopes that there will be some exciting apps available. That means something more than news and sports and Hulu + wannabes.
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newsshooter 8th Oct
We looked at one at 249...it was just too high to justify the purchase. It took me quite a bit of looking around to even figure out what it did. Once I did, 249 was still too high. However, we were in the store yesterday, saw it at 99, and took one home. At that price, if it does even half of what it seems capable of, it's worth it.
Not everyone has an internet enabled TV-ours isn't, so this is a great answer.
Hopefully their quality is as good on this as it is on the rest of their peripherals, which have always been great.
Has to be better than the quality of our 6 month old TIVO...we're on box number 2, and it looks like it's days are numbered.
1. Price. You can buy a full PC for $300
2. Selling it as a PC replacement, which it isn't, even now.
3. NOT selling it as a integrated companion to Android phones and tablets, as well as for your TV, which it totally is.
4. Horrible customer service across their product line.

As for the device itself, I think it's fairly well thought out. It was the full keyboard that drew me to it, as well as the touchpad, plus the ability to control my cable box. No scrolling and entering each letter.
Google is the one who needs to make Google TV even better, but it's a good start.
And to the naysayers who can't see a reason, try it before you criticize.
I can watch movies off of my PC on it, watch Netflix or Vudu, listen to any of my albums I have on Google Music, listen to local radio, listen to Pandora, browse the internet while watching TV, pay bills, get and receive e-mail, and check the weather.
I can put together a shopping list, then have it on my phone or tablet. I can cCheck ball game info as I watch the game, or get movie info and showtimes when an add comes on TV, all without having to get up and go to my office and sit in a desk chair watching on a 26" screen, rather than my 55".
This is even more of a benefit since I'm partially disabled.
I also get to have the sound played through my main system, instead of tinny computer speakers.

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