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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Looking beyond Windows 7 and Office; Pondering the alternatives

By | October 20, 2009, 11:39am PDT

Gartner is telling customers to upgrade to Windows 7 and the latest Office, but adds that it may make sense to at least ponder the alternatives and move toward a more operating system neutral stance.

In a talk at the Gartner IT Symposium in Orlando, Gartner analyst Michael Silver rehashed much of what the research firm revealed last week. See: Gartner: Windows 7 is ‘all but inevitable’

However, Silver seemed to advocate that customers at least ponder a more mixed source environment. For instance, an enterprise can have Microsoft Office but use Google Docs or OpenOffice.org as a supplement to lower overall costs. Ditto for operating systems, but the cost equation is a little more difficult. The big elephant in the room: Will operating systems even matter in the future?

Silver notes that most applications in an enterprise will still need Windows well beyond 2011 so the appeal of the Mac OS and Linux have limited appeal. Virtualization is changing that equation somewhat, but the costs can be higher with alternative operating systems when support if factored in. Silver says that Macs will enter the enterprise through the back door, but it’s unlikely that a company will standardize on the Mac OS.

The other issue is the question of the operating system’s importance. By 2014, 20 percent of users will primarily use a browser-based product as their primary office tool.

Consider:

As for alternative office software, Web-based alternatives aren’t going to be mature enough to replace Microsoft Office until 2014. But these alternatives can be a tool to lower costs.

Silver writes:

There have been many organizations that have investigated moving off Microsoft Office, usually to a distribution of OpenOffice.org (including the free download, Sun’s StarOffice, Novell Edition and IBM Symphony), but relatively few have actually made the migration. Impediments include switching costs, issues with macros, stationery, databases and mail clients. For better or worse, for the past 15 years, organizations have chosen to overprovision and deploy a product that can do everything the most-advanced user requires to every user for the sake of homogeneity. Organizations that want to deploy OpenOffice.org (OO.o) need to come to terms with the fact that some users will still require MS Office and they will be forced to support a mix of products.

To Gartner, it makes sense to take advantage of viable perpetual licenses for Microsoft Office for as long as possible. The expensive product you already own will be cheaper than the cheap or “free” product you need to spend money to which to migrate.

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RE: Looking beyond Windows 7 and Office; Pondering the alternatives
homeioy26-24353595963389203614689387349918 5th Nov
ypzqpm,good post!
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No reason to look beyond Microsoft Windows 7 and Microsoft Office, its a complete solution out of the box for every business need. Pondering the alternatives will take all of 5 seconds before realizing the alternatives won't live up to what Microsoft has to offer.
Give us some money, fool.
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do you not
Viva la crank dodo Updated - 20th Oct 2009
think that MS has the funds to pay for quality advertising than Loverock? I almost think he could make more money by telling MS he would STOP praising their product so that his name is not associated with it.
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funny...
jessiethe3rd 20th Oct 2009
Everyone want doesn't want to pay to play.. but wants to put stuff together with people, time, and energy on a platform that is community supported. Why do you think most companies stay with Microsoft? They develop the product, they support it, and it has a lifecycle.

No free bubble gum scotchtape solution is going to cost less in the long haul especially when you start hammering down the cost to support, integrate, and then redevelop as needs change.
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Yeah?
sporkfighter 21st Oct 2009
Why do you think most companies stay with Microsoft? They develop the product, they support it . . .

Ever spend the day on hold trying to access Microsoft support? I have.
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Yup so did I...
awasson@... 22nd Oct 2009
Once sad
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Ahhh...
Jkirk3279 31st Oct 2009
Yeah.

I once volunteered to help out at our community library.

The librarian looked at me with desperate hope in his eyes, and said "we've got these
PC's that were donated by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation... you could help out
by waiting on hold for tech support".


I said, "how long could that take, anyway ?".

He said it averaged 4 hours per incidence, (per week, usually).

So unless you've got an IT department that virtualizes one identical copy of Windows
onto all your PCs, you MIGHT get stuck waiting on hold quite a bit.


Which is where virtualization actually makes sense in the Windows world.

One tested config of software/hardware to troubleshoot rather than sixteen.

Which is how Apple does it, of course.

BTW, I just backed away, slowly, and then ran for it. happy
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Loverock Davidson makes me LOL
privatejarhead 20th Oct 2009
nt
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"Silver says that Macs will enter the enterprise through the back door,
but it?s unlikely that a company will standardize on the Mac OS."

How does Apple do it? Their machines aren't free. They have the
highest profit margins in the business. They don't have armies of
MCSE's to pay for!

W7 will be another over-priced, too expensive, buggy and insecure
solution.

Maybe if people take more than 5 seconds to REALLY think, they'll see
getting away from W7 will be a prudent business decision.
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Apple's in a great position...
akorozco 21st Oct 2009
Less than 10% of the market, and they can push PC makers around.
http://www.newsy.com/videos/windows_7_microsoft_heaven
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MCSE's aren't paid by MS
rtk 21st Oct 2009
Geniuses are, MCSE is just a certification.
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You should know, shill
Wintel BSOD 22nd Oct 2009
You're on the same payroll...

lol...
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Oh, it's far more likely that
rtk 22nd Oct 2009
you're on the Microsoft payroll, paid to make Linux users look like raving lunatics.

You're like a scientologist, one small scratch on the surface and the crazy shines right through.
  • Flagged
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Well..
Jkirk3279 31st Oct 2009
I don't know about that, but you're dead on about Scientologists.
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Some Users Don't Need All That Power
johnywhy@... 21st Oct 2009
What was that research which showed that most users only use a fraction of Microsoft Office capabilities?
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Not really the point
Patanjali 24th Oct 2009
Uniformity and potentially, coupled with lower volume licencing guide the corporate IT domain.

It does not matter that they only use some of the capabilities, but it is important that they can potentially handle whatever is published internally. Coupled with lower testing, implementation and support costs, and volume licensing, makes that almost a no-brainer --> done deal!
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Analyze the need
Dogcatcher 21st Oct 2009
It is wrong to blindly waste an organization's money buying the full Microsoft kit when it is not needed.

Sure, a lot of professionals make good use of the extensive capabilities of Windows and Office, but I'll wager most employees do not need all that capability. An e-mail client, browser, PDF reader, and some simple text processor, plus the applications for their job (accounting, shipping, inventory control, membership, etc.) are the primary need. If necessary, these primary apps can be supplemented by viewers for Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc.

If you can skillfully driva a Ferrari, live near roads will exercise a Ferrari's capabilities, and have the money to buy a Ferrari, then by all means get one and enjoy it. Others with different needs and different budgets can find other transportation.
Volume licensing and simplified administration lowers the cost to the point of eliminating the supposed advantages of what you propose.
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Wont live up to..
rarsa 21st Oct 2009
"Pondering the alternatives will take all of 5 seconds before realizing the alternatives won't live up to what Microsoft has to offer."

I agree.

Who can live up to that cost and proprietary tie in!
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ZDNet ChatBot Drumming Up The Hits!
Lithius 21st Oct 2009
Loverock (ZDNet Staffer);

Started out quite early to drum up the comments section?
and he's not nearly as funny as Mike Cox used to be...... Mike was always going to lunch with his M$ rep .... he was funny
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Lovey Dovey must be a cheapskate
Wintel BSOD 22nd Oct 2009
No lunch for the M$ rep?

lol... grin
While I think MS Office clearly represents an anti-trust suit long overdue, I would never encourage anyone to monkey with "alternatives".

All it takes is one incompatible file sent to a colleague, prospect or professor, and you've more than made up for the cost of the purchase of an MS Office product.

Even one hour of my time spent trying to deal with your "open" product trying to talk to the printer-of-the-month, justifies going with BillWare.

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Thats why
Viva la crank dodo 20th Oct 2009
it encourages a mixed environment. In many companies there are support staff or front line staff that do not need an office suite for anything but the most menial tasks, and that for only internal use.

I agree that this is a reason that companies should not move entirely to an alternative solution. Nor do I think it is advisable for any student to do so unless the school explicitly commits to supporting the alternative. Not sure if this has happened in any school.
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... in place, then a mixed environment can be your best friend for meeting mixed needs but the article is really about personal productivity (word processing, spreadsheets, browsing, presentation).

If you are big enough to support a mixed environment, Microsoft will make licensing too attractive to pass up so why even screw around with OpenOffice?

For instance, the cost of the most basic edition of MS Office is less than the individual cost of two of its three components. The incremental cost of each additional component exceeds the cost differental of the edition uptick so ...

In the end, specialized needs require specialized solutions and specialized support.

Generic needs (which the cloud is best suited to meet - and the article is really about) require document portability and (at least in the enterprise) security and availability above all else.

Mixed solutions and cloud-based resources cannot meet that need.
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Good points
Viva la crank dodo 21st Oct 2009
and I agree in the sense that we are not there yet for most companies.

Still, outsourcing to companies that have qualified personel (inlcuding Help Desk) and training on multiplatform solutions for multiple customers does open the way for SMB/SME clients to start considering alternatives even on the desktop, again, focusing on front end workers that have limited functionality requirements and limited external communication.

Definitely agree with your comments re: the large companies that MS can give huge licensing volume discounts. I was at one large company which was about to put out OO along side MS but this is what persuaded them to stop. This was about 8 years ago. The staff that would have recieved the Open Office suite do not even have an email account as they are front end staff and their terminals are for transaction processing. They do not need a word processor or excel spreadsheet for any but the simplist of tasks but all have Office since the license deal was made so sweet.
I have OpenOffice3 as well, which I use frequently, because the old MSOffice/OpenOffice menu paradigm is much much faster than the poor interface on Office 2007.

In addition to this:
1. Why are charts so buggy on Excel 2007. I've spent hours trying to get some charts to work, given up, and done the same job in minutes on Openoffice.

2. What happened to Word?
You used to be able to write structured documents so easily, now it's totally impossible. (you'd be better off with notepad).

Personally, I'd go with OpenOffice every time. I haven't found anything in Office 2007 that is new and useful. Everything is much slower to do.

However, this doesn't address the article. I think that documentation will go wiki. Traditional manuals aren't really very useful. Targeted searchable documentation based on problems people have had is far more useful. And you can read/write them on the train on your cellphone.

Spreadsheets are OK, but really most of the time we should be using databases. I can see making an easy to use web-based database environment would be quite easy to write and once you have that, far more functional than a spreadsheet. (web enabled by default - so you could let customers see a subset of your data). You could also have a cool web-charts package as part of the database, which would let you chart anything just by naming it, not having to select the data in a spreadsheet. When it comes to chart update, faster, and much easier to disseminate.
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Corrupted disk?
crazydanr@... 20th Oct 2009
I've never experienced a crash in excel 2007 - perhaps you have bad media or something?

Never tried to write a long, structured document in word, so I can't speak to that.

And the web based database thing you're talking about - Access 2010 and SharePoint 2010 do just about exactly what you're asking for. Or, if you want a web-based GUI (AJAX enabled) to read/write/query and have filtering, sorting, views, forms... business connectivity service in SharePoint 2010 does that exceptionally well.

Check out some YouTube videos or browse over to http://sharepoint2010.microsoft.com/Pages/videos.aspx and watch the videos. I've found OO to be lacking in terms of BI, reporting, and dashboard capabilities. SharePoint makes a pretty good case if you need this functionality.
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not pc centric
stevey_d 20th Oct 2009
you need pcs in there somewhere using your solutions.
You could very easily make web enabled databases over 10 years ago with Lotus Notes/Domino. That isn't the point.

Say I want to make some kind of a database, why can't i set the schema up on the cloud using a web browser (even from a cellphone)?

Answer: there is no reason why I shouldn't after all MyssqlAdmin runs entirely though a browser.

So in time, there could be a web database/chart package on the cloud, with common authentication (eg as with google portal) and have a simple, better, more portable set of functionality than anything involving a PC running windows.

I read the whitepapers on Sharepoint, but I found it dismally disappointing in the flesh.
Note: re excel, not crash, buggy behaviour, and it isn't a corrupt set of media.
Just another I can't make it to work "story" to prop up the open source alternative. Slashdot has a lot of these.
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Love that term, don't you
IT_User 21st Oct 2009
But the record is getting a bit worn. Pop, hiss, skip.

Try a new line.
clearly you don't understand the functionality I'm talking about, so you're probably a lightweight user who doesn't do any real work on the product.
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Office does offer more than OO
otaddy 20th Oct 2009
OneNote and Visio come immediately to mind.

I think the Chart feature on Excel has always been somewhat confusing but I havent seen any bugs.

Likewise, Excel spreadsheets are often used like databases...but they are easy to share and are available when offline.
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More likely "different"
IT_User 21st Oct 2009
I'm sure there are functions in MS Office that OpenOffice doesn't offer - today. Conversely, I found that a presentation I did in OOo lost some handout functionality when saved in ppt. Initially I blamed the OOo conversion process, so I tried to duplicate the handout with Excel. Turned out it couldn't be done in the 2003 version, might be in 2007.

If you were to overlay Venn diagrams of the two, I'm sure you would find a core of commonality, as well as unique features in each. But based on experience, I'll also predict that the "uniqueness" will erode over time due to marketplace pressures.

Here's my experience. Back in the days of standalone word processors, before WordStar and MultiMate established the PC's dominance, I was marketing a TI 990-based word processing system, and potential customers were constantly questioning features vis-a-vis competitors. So I surveyed. By the time I could complete the survey, a competitor that didn't have some feature did - there was no way to keep the survey current. When your system is software based, it's not that hard to make changes on the fly.

When we say one offers more than another, that "more" often turns out to be ephemeral.
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Stupid error
IT_User 21st Oct 2009
Touch typists can watch the screen when they type. Reprobates who have to look at he keyboard can miss silly errors. It's PowerPoint for the presentation, not Excel.
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Really!?!
zbor 21st Oct 2009
Days... are you kidding. There is no way you have spent days "trying to get Office 2007 to work". I use both OpenOffice.org and Microsoft Office 2007 and although OO has made some improvements Microsoft still wins hands down in ease of use, features and quality of the UI and software.
You don't address anything I've mentioned, but say I'm wrong. Convincing argument zbor..... NOT.
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Really!
theo_durcan 23rd Oct 2009
MSOffice always has been a poorly piece of software. Really is not hard to beat, lot of inconsistencies, circumvoluted ways to do the most simple tasks, or functions that dont work the way they are suppose to work, like indents in PPT, or something as simple as copy&paste, many times you get absolutely bizarre formatting coming from who knows.
Office interface is terrible, filled with rows & rows of little icons and missing keyboard combination for some very basic tasks, like Add Row, how many times you do this in Excel?
Excel is not so bad, PowerPoint is irritating, you lose valuable time fighting the program to do what you want to do, ans Word is just bad.
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Not when you have 400...
bjbrock 20th Oct 2009
computers and documents generated are for internal use. I saved my company close to $100,000 by using OO. And in the slim chance a document needs to go out I can select a MS format or even better, PDF.

And of course you are assuming that the document recipient uses MS Office.
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For a start im sure the single packs for like 300 quid or so are good for 3 pc's anyway and thats assuming you got no discount what so ever.
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I'm with you 100%
Crestview 21st Oct 2009
As a business, it all has to flow smooth and compatible, and unless you live in that environment, one cannot understand it, and should not be writing articles about it. Foolishness.
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Where does this guy do his research?
IT_User 20th Oct 2009
I've had Gartner in for numerous briefs and telecons, and their finger is usually right on the pulse of IT nationwide. But this "most applications in an enterprise will still need Windows well beyond 2011" is completely off the wall. Major commercial applications haven't needed any particular OS for the past five years - who cares what launched the browser? - and internal development has had several development/upgrade cycles to complete the transition. In the very major enterprise I'm associated with, the count of Windows-dependent applications is zero.

I'll admit I don't know how the other half lives, and small/medium offices might still be dependent on legacy client-server apps. But for generalizations such as this, this guy needs a serious reality check.
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Hmm parallel world
tonymcs@... 20th Oct 2009
Well you seem to live in the only "major enterprise" that isn't based on Windows. Possibly you also see the fault in trying to base your world view on what happens in your pond.

where Microsoft doesn't exist...
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Where did you get that idea?
IT_User 20th Oct 2009
Microsoft is on every desktop. That's existence, son. The enterprise applications obviously are accessed by Microsoft-based machines. But they could as easily be accessed by machines running any OS that hosts a browser.

Microsoft exists. Has, as I recall, since the days of S-100, CP/M, TRS-80. Check, for example, NASDAQ.

Where is your "freetard," whatever that means, and how do we find your "parallel universe?"
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BTW, I checked the Urban Dictionary
IT_User 20th Oct 2009
It defines "freetard" as "one who firmly believes in not paying for e.g. software, films, music." I'm not familiar with the term, but I wouldn't use it without some consideration as to how it could be read.

It appears your writing could use some brushing up, as well as your reading comprehension.
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Too late for that
The Mentalist 21st Oct 2009
If he was unable to finish school when he was young do you believe he has now any chances of success?

It's too late to change anything, just let him be himself.
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Maybe you're a little harsh
IT_User 21st Oct 2009
Assuming he's chronologically beyond high school. Notice his hip phraseology, indicative of those he associates with. It's possible he's actually still in high school, rather than just hanging with that crowd.

You could just gag me with a spoon happy
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Where do I buy tickets?
Jkirk3279 Updated - 31st Oct 2009
Intellectually, I knew that there MUST be Parallel Universes...

But I never thought through the concept to realize, just as there must be
universes where traffic lights are Purple, Yellow and Blue, rather than
Red, Yellow, Green, there must also be Universes where Microsoft
doesn't exist.


How do I get a ticket to visit such a wonderful place?
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Well
crazydanr@... 20th Oct 2009
I worked at IBM for a few years, and they loved the combination of AIX, DB2, and mainframes to develop test programs with. A lot of CLI keystroking with obscure flags, ftp'ing files around, perl / bash scripts, etc.

I was fresh out of college, and thought they must have been doing it right. Geesh, it's IBM, right?! Now I realize I could have put half the department out of a job with a few weeks of development and converting the platform to .NET. I could have streamlined that process with the right tools.

People's jobs were secure though - the UNIX admins were proud that their script syntax was so complicated it was pretty much undecipherable.

I think there's 2 camps

Camp 1: The windows GUI crowd - simple and easy for anyone to use and tightly integrated. No special secrets on how to use the software, well documented.

Camp 2: The CLI / Linux crowd who like obscure commands, hard to read syntax, and thinking that memorizing flags from the man pages makes them a great IT guy.
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RE: Looking beyond Windows 7 and Office; Pondering the alternatives
homeioy26-24353595963389203614689387349918 5th Nov
ypzqpm,good post!

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