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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Microsoft: Third party apps killing our security

By | November 3, 2008, 12:40am PST

Why would hackers target Microsoft directly when there is so much low hanging fruit hanging from the Windows operating system?

The short answer is that hackers won’t attack Microsoft directly because they have plenty of alternatives via third party applications such as QuickTime, RealPlayer and WinZip. That’s the big takeaway from Microsoft’s Security Intelligence Report (January to June 2008), which will be unveiled Monday. Microsoft prebriefed a few folks including me and The New York Times on the key findings of the report, but the real interesting data will appear in the full blown document, which will be dissected by Ryan Naraine at Zero Day later.

This version of the Security Intelligence Report looks at the evolution of emerging threats and focuses on botnets. While the key findings highlight a few interesting threads–vulnerability disclosure continues to fall; disclosure of Microsoft software vulnerabilities continue to fall and Chinese are victims of more than 46 percent of browser-based exploits–the big item is that the software giant is being buffeted by attacks via third party applications.

Microsoft’s data confirms the findings of other security vendors such as Kaspersky. For instance, hackers are attacking Vista almost entirely through third party applications.

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Microsoft then goes into the top 10 browser vulnerabilities and notes that its software accounted for half of the biggest flaws on XP. On Vista, Microsoft software accounted for none of the top flaws. Here’s the breakdown:

Top 10 browser-based vulnerabilities on XP:

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And the top 10 browser-based vulnerabilities on Vista (click to enlarge):

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The tale: RealPlayer, Apple QuickTime, various toolbars and other tag-along applications are vulnerable.

These statistics leave one question hanging: Is Vista really more secure or is it just that third party applications are easier to exploit? The truth is that we may never know about Vista’s security level–unless third party application developers suddenly get security religion. Chances are that won’t happen.

George Stathakopoulos, general manager of Microsoft product security for the Security Engineering and Communications Group, roughly agreed with my theory. He maintains that Vista is more secure–and I don’t think that take is a big stretch–but the degree of security over XP may be skewed by third party applications. Simply put, Vista isn’t the primary target of attackers, which are opting for easier prey.

“I think Vista is better on security. Microsoft products better on security and I think our focus is paying off. The numbers say third party applications are an issue. What we need to do as community is figure out how to solve this problem,” says Stathakopoulos, reiterating his common theme. I told him that insecure third party applications may skew how secure Vista looks and he generally agreed. “Absolutely, third party applications affect the magnitude of how secure Vista looks.”

Indeed, Microsoft is working on getting the ecosystem to cooperate more. Earlier this year, Microsoft launched its trusted Internet initiative, which is still in the whitepaper stage.

Among other nuggets of Microsoft’s findings that stood out:

  • Brazil is the global king of password stealers and monitoring tools. More than 60 percent of the computers cleaned in Brazil had password stealers on them. Globally, Trojan Downloaders and droppers are the most popular mean of attack.
  • China is dominated by pop-up ad toolbars and browser modifiers. This malware usually stays in China since they are in Chinese.
  • Viruses still work in Korea relative to the rest of the world. Most of these infected files are swapped via peer-to-peer networks. Stathakopoulos says gaming is a primary target for attackers in Korea. Cybercrime is localized to each unique characteristic of a country.
  • The infection rate for Windows Vista is lower than Windows XP at any service pack level. Vista 64-bit infection rates are lower than the 32-bit versions.

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RE: Microsoft: Third party apps killing our security
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
Wonderful Running a blog web site I actually much like the lay china nfl jerseys out after which the coloration scheme could it be possible to get a duplicate of the respective concept?
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Interesting...
Sleeper Service 3rd Nov 2008
...hopefully this will give pause for thought to the "XP is better!" brigade.

It's also no surprise to see badly coded monstrosities like QuickTime and Real Player in there. Anyone using these pieces of crapware - unless they really have to - needs to have their head examined.
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QT and Real
TedKraan 3rd Nov 2008
are annoying formats indeed. People should stick to things like MPEG.
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Not so easy
eMJayy 3rd Nov 2008
Some time ago, i installed iTunes onto my XP PCs to allow me to put music onto my Motorola Razr GSM phone ( it uses iTunes as a music player and syncs to it). Then a funny thing happened - iTunes upgrades suddenly began mandatory installations of Quicktime because it was suddenly required for newer versions of iTunes to work. I don't use Quicktime at all. And now they've added even more software to that bundle. Thanks to Apple, my windows PCs are less secure today than when i didn't use their software at all.
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Apple - Insidious Security Attack?
rickb@... 3rd Nov 2008
Clearly this was an attempt by Apple to compromise Windows systems!

Actually that was sarcasm. I suspect it's instead an attempt to bundle their media player to make it more ubiquitous, and take share from Real / WinMedia / Flash.

But that would be a different thread
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This probably is Apple's intent
cshupe@... 3rd Nov 2008
Compromising Windows works for Apple in many ways, and their juvenile advertising comparing their toy OS with Windows makes hay of these vulnerabilities, some of which they plant with their updates and downloads. I believe these effects are not coincidential, but planned.
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Amazing that MS lets them get away with it
John L. Ries 3rd Nov 2008
MS does control the operating system after all. Part of what operating systems are supposed to do is to determine what individual processes are and are not allowed to do.
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Are you suggesting ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 4th Nov 2008
... that Microsoft decide whose software should be allowed to install on Windows ... potentially overriding the user's express wishes?

Can anyone else hear the black helecopters of the DOJ whispering in the sky outside?
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Uh.. Right...
Wolfie2K3 5th Nov 2008
MS does control the operating system after all. Part of what operating systems are supposed to do is to determine what individual processes are and are not allowed to do.

Ok... I can just see it now... Microsoft starts dictating what can and can't run on Windows and how it can run (beyond the usual PUBLISHED programming advisories and guidelines)... I can see the DOJ coming down on them like a 100 mile per hour pyroclastic flow coming out of a volcanic event - fast, devastating and overwhelming. Just ask the folks from Pompeii in AD 79.

Actually... Microsoft already make changes like that. It's called Vista. And with Vista they removed most all 3rd party drivers from the kernal level down to a user level. And there was much whining and gnashing of teeth from SOME vendors. In fact, just as Vista was RTM'ed, Symantec chose to start their whine about how Norton AV would no longer work properly (not that it ever did, but that's another rant) because they couldn't attach their process' to the kernal like they did with previous versions of Windows. You'd think they could have done their whiny bit much earlier - like during the Alpha or Beta phase of development when there could have been changes made. NOT at the last minute after everything's been set in stone.

Of course, other antivirus vendors managed to overcome this issue and were still able to produce antivirus products to work properly with Vista. So it would seem Symantec's whining was moot.

But for Microsoft to stop applications like Quicktime from doing something potentially harmful.. The accusation would be quick and obvious. Microsoft is out to destroy Apple. And the DOJ's response - rip Microsoft a new one - regardless of if it's for the good of the end user or not.
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Toy OS?
rickb@... 3rd Nov 2008
Toy OS? You mean UNIX? 'Cause that's all OSX is, UNIX with a pretty wrapper.
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Toy OS
brian ansorge 4th Nov 2008
Sounds like a troll calling my, my, uh, my "member" small.

Ha ha ha [smiling like Enzyte Bob].

Yeah, right.
Can you point to studies/surveys/articles that actually prove the point you want me to believe or are we back to Apple-bashing?
Common knowledge. Look up the CVEs or whatnot if you need to do so.

I'm not an enthusiastic Apple-basher by any means.
Can you point to studies/surveys/articles that actually prove the point you want me to believe or are we back to Apple-bashing?
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QT, Real et al...
martian@... 4th Nov 2008
For those times I need to do so, I just use the Alternative versions of these programs.
Way less bloated and most likely not vulnerable, and if so, patched quicker since they're both opensource IIRC.
Both are available at www.filehippo.com
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Restrictive environments
TedKraan 3rd Nov 2008
don't allow such a broad base of malware.

The foundation always has been the problem. You can't build a big castle with thick walls on quicksand.

Typical blame game propaganda by the sounds of it.
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Firm Foundations
TechnoCritter 4th Nov 2008
"You can't build a big castle with thick walls on quicksand."

True, but you can build a straw hut on a concrete foundation. If Vista is told to allow a program to run, it's going to run, security holes and all.
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People still use RealPlayer?
Don Collins 3rd Nov 2008
RealPlayer is so 2004... pos adware that phones home at every opportunity. I was horrified and saddened to see that Boeing use it for video on their web site. Have they noticed that YouTube (a rather popular place on the interwbs) uses Flash?
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I use Youtube often
TedKraan 3rd Nov 2008
and what they did is good. I really disliked the whole real player thing as well.

It was a horrid thing. Aside from which platform it was run on.
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Tell That To Some Web Seminars
itanalyst2@... 3rd Nov 2008
I had to attend one last week, one of the formats was in Real, fortunately they offered the slides in Adobe Acrobat and the audio in Windows Media because I don't have Real on my desktop and I refuse to put it on.
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No RealPlayer, yes codecs...
robsku 3rd Nov 2008
Neither do I, but I can always launch xine or mplayer to view real media (if necessary, but it rarely is) - is there no such option for windows, using other player than realplayer with the correct codecs to view that format?
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nt
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Bingo
seanferd 3rd Nov 2008
?
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Oh yes there is !
Alan Smithie 4th Nov 2008
Use the real alternative
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The BBC
seanferd 3rd Nov 2008
uses Real as well. Bloody annoying.

Real Alternative may be more secure, IDK. Seems to be a nicer player anyway, with less glommed-on crapware.
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Oh...Really?
Wolfie2K3 5th Nov 2008
Last I checked the BBC's player was a Flash variant. Gotta love it tho - they've taken a cue from Spinal Tap - their player goes up to 11!

Real Alternative (and the QT Alternative) is nothing more than the codecs required to play the media, plus a copy of Microsoft's Windows Media Player 6.4 and the necessary registry entries that link the Real or QT files to the old version of WMP.
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software. Every product they write for Windows is a sieve. If Apples OS was targeted as much as Windows OS then their lack of secure code would be more than obvious.
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Yet strangely
TedKraan 3rd Nov 2008
Apple doesn't seem to be the only ones to be unable to write secure software for the Windows environment.

From the looks of the article it looks like lots and lots of people can't program anything secure under Windows.

Hmmmmm... Curious
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There You Go!
DannyO_0x98 3rd Nov 2008
It is something I wondered about contemplating the download
bug in Safari on Windows from earlier this year. But, bottom
line is that as long as vendors point fingers at other vendors,
we are just in a childish game of your skirts are dirtier [cleaner]
than mine.

Media files are ripe for social hacking. First it's a jungle of
formats, patents, and single-vendor-controlled codecs and
encryptions. Because of all the codecs out there, the client
media players are delegation bundles, which increases
complexity and code line counts and the probability of
exploitable bugs.

At the user level, one clicks a link to something "attractive."
"Please install this to view." Legit or malware? I don't know. At
this point, I discontinue (if I even clicked in the first place), but
the social hack relies on enough people saying yes reflexively
or consciously.

Since our friends from Redmond led the NIH, buy the os to view
the content parade, are we not seeing them complaining a little
bit about being in the bed they made? Yes, I know, Microsoft
thinks it would be a much better world if Apple and Real
disappear. May we take a look at Plan B, shall we?
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Which doesn't change the fact...
Sleeper Service Updated - 3rd Nov 2008
...that QuickTime and Real Player are awful.
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Here's what's curious....
eMJayy 3rd Nov 2008
Apple's the only OS programmer in the group.
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That is indeed interesting..
TedKraan Updated - 3rd Nov 2008
You should think they would do better then the other app writers, wouldn't you?
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Interactions among groups at Apple
sean_hando@... 3rd Nov 2008
Doesn't Apple separate their departments to the point that they don't ever communicate with each other (Hardware and Software groups as an example)? If Steve Jobs has his OS development group and application development group independent of each other to the point that don't exchange ideas (such as security), wouldn't it make sense that the applications group doesn't learn from experiences learned by the OS group?

I've heard that Jobs does this to prevent projects Apple is working on from being leaked to the public. It would be pretty ironic if security issues found in Apple's software are partially due to their internal security structure to prevent the spread of rumours.
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yes, include MS apps in that list....
deaf_e_kate 3rd Nov 2008
MS didn't start to get a clue about security until Win XP SP2 so its not surprising there is a whole ecosystem of cr*p software out there. MS built a rod for its own back and now blames everyone else for its security problems - what a joke.
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Which is why Vista has fewer issues...
Sleeper Service 3rd Nov 2008
...with internal security and which doesn't explain why providers still make unsecured apps.
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LOL - secured apps ...
digitrog 5th Nov 2008
LOL - secured apps ... come on , you shoud understand, this "secured apps" classification only means they have been "bought" by Micro$oft !
It Does Not mean that they are actually M$ fully compatible at all - or secure either !
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Hmm
beoz 3rd Nov 2008
Well, it's not like interface code from MS is hidden.

A good programmer should know how to write a secure application, it's not rocket science. See: continued buffer overruns in NEW application versions. That's just sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.

(It's brain surgery!)
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FAIL
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 4th Nov 2008
Microsoft started to "get security" back in 2003 when Gates shut down every product group and sent all engineering teams on security training and mandated that all teams utilize the Secure Development Life Cycle (SDLC), costing in excess of $1B!

Of course, it takes time for such principles and practices to be engineered into all product groups and for the restults of those changes to emerge in shipped product, but XP SP2, Vista RTM & SP1, Server 2008, SQL 2005, IIS6, IE7 all emerged from that complete turn-around.

Win7 will be the first major product to benefit from an entire product cycle that adopted SDLC2 from start to finish and will strengthen the security and safety gains established by Vista.

Now it's time for app vendors to step up to the plate and start building apps that are tested with Microsoft's AppVerifier (and any other 3rd party code analysis tools one chooses to adopt) in order to protect their users and their data.

Apple, Real, Adobe and many other companies could do far worse than adopt these tools and techniques that Microsoft has proven to be highly effective. Alas, most of these 3rd parties do just that ... do much worse!
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security ... LOL
digitrog 5th Nov 2008
Come off it, security - ha .
M$ "tried" way back when, with Windows 3.0 when they included that "anti virus scanner" in the OS, which at that time was crap, the Macaffee free AV was 4 times quicker and 30 times more efficient ...
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Tard time again?
rag@... 3rd Nov 2008
If Windows wasn't the festering bundle of pus that it is when it comes to security, there wouldn't be a problem. Buy a Mac...
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get real
dave@... 3rd Nov 2008
like the 40+ patches a week from apple suggest secturity...
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re: tard time
Badgered 3rd Nov 2008
If Windows wasn't the festering bundle of pus that it is when it comes to security, there wouldn't be a problem. Buy a Mac...

Exactly... Because you can trust the folks who brought you the security swiss cheese that is Quicktime!
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Name just one...
rag@... 4th Nov 2008
Give us all the name of just ONE virus in the wild for OS X since it was introduced in the spring of 2001.

HINT: White papers, proof-of-concepts, and alleged viruses from manufacturers of AV software don't count.
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Virii aren't the only security issue ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 4th Nov 2008
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Yet they still are not a target..
itguy08 3rd Nov 2008
Even at ~10% of the US computer users and climbing faster than the industry.

If OS X were so insecure surely we'd see something by now. 10% is an attractive target when you could go unnoticed.

Sadly this has not happened yet and probably will not for a while.
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I think we have to bear in mind...
Sleeper Service 3rd Nov 2008
...that Apple's corporate marketshare is negligible and that whilst OSX is inherently more secure than Windows (although not bullet proof) it suffers from some of the same third party issues.
that Apple's corporate marketshare is negligible and that whilst OSX is inherently more secure than Windows

I keep hearing this but never is anything credible provided.
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Spot the differences (again)
TedKraan 3rd Nov 2008
1. 'Local System Account'
2. 'Administrator'
3. 'root'
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differences in design
TedKraan 3rd Nov 2008
A good book on system internals might be 'ad valorum' if you are really curious.
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Stop being so vague.
ye 3rd Nov 2008
What are these differences in design? I am very knowledgeable about both operating systems. And that's why I keep asking the question. Because I know there's no difference. But I'm willing to accept I may have missed something. So stop avoiding an answer and speak up.
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jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
Wonderful Running a blog web site I actually much like the lay china nfl jerseys out after which the coloration scheme could it be possible to get a duplicate of the respective concept?

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