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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Microsoft-Yahoo: The end game nears; Was there an Amazon-Yahoo deal in the works?

By | February 8, 2008, 6:02am PST

Yahoo will reportedly have a special board of directors meeting to discuss Microsoft’s $44.6 billion unsolicited bid. Meanwhile, the game theories abound.

According to TechCrunch Yahoo’s fate could be decided today. My guess is that Yahoo’s fate won’t be completely decided, but the end game is definitely underway. The most likely scenario is that Yahoo will engage negotiations with Microsoft since there are no white knights. Here’s a look at Citibank analyst Mark Mahaney’s widely quoted scenarios for Yahoo.

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Most analysis revolves around some derivative of Mahaney’s chart, but there was a new wrinkle tossed around: Microsoft’s bid could have been a preemptive strike against a potential Yahoo-Amazon merger.

Global Equities analyst Trip Chowdhry in a research note applied some game theory to figure out what Microsoft is up to. Chowdhry notes that Microsoft’s bid isn’t likely to pass antitrust muster. Given the software giant’s history with regulators I could see some antitrust hang-ups–especially if Google gets an audience in DC. Chowdhry concludes that Microsoft’s Yahoo bid could suffer the same fate as its attempted Intuit merger in 1995.

Assuming Chowdhry’s antitrust take is on target, a big question remains: Why is Microsoft bidding? Chowdhry’s writes that Microsoft’s bid may be a preemptive move to prevent an Amazon-Yahoo merger. She speculates:

Contacts tell us that Yahoo has been probably thinking of shutting down its E-Commerce offering and forming a business tie up with Amazon.com, where users could create their own Merchant Stores - similar to what Yahoo did with shutting down its Music store in favor of Real Networks Rhapsody. Contacts feel, it is likely, that these discussions could be taking a form of Amazon.com and Yahoo merger, which Microsoft probably did not like.

A year ago, I’d dismiss this Amazon-Yahoo idea as nuts. Even now it’s a bit hard to believe. But given Amazon’s move into content–DRM free music and its acquisition of Audible–a Yahoo acquisition may not be so nutty.

An Amazon-Yahoo deal would have been a disaster for Microsoft since the high-risk purchase of Yahoo is the only way the software giant can compete with Google in search. Chowdhry recommends that Yahoo hires a few game theorists to work through the possibilities regarding the Microsoft bid. May the games begin.

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Check your facts,
pv5vymhzyalr2z3@... 11th Feb 2008
before you insult others for their supposed ignorance. According to Netcraft, Hotmail is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 on Windows Server 2003.
the MS/Yahoo tie-up makes little sense given all of the integration problems, completely different cultures, product overlap, and very big, the difference in OSes.

So, I suppose blocking an Amazon-Yahoo tie-up makes sense, since that tie-up would have probably forever relegated MS to a distant third online. Given that almost everything will be delivered as on online service with offline capabilities in the future, MS just could not stand to see that happen.
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When are you going to stop the FUD?
No_Ax_to_Grind 8th Feb 2008
"given all of the integration problems, completely different cultures, product overlap, and very big, the difference in OSes"

Pure BS, and the OS is the LEAST important part of it.
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Give DB a break, No Ax
GuidingLight 8th Feb 2008
He (along with Google) are obviouslly scared of this. Google I can understand, it is their business that would take a hit, but DonnieBoy's continued harping on extremelly unlikely scenerios and downright make beleive is a head scratcher.

Why someone needs to make up stories to reinforce his faith in a company that went from "do no evil" to "do enough evil to help ourselves, but not enough to get into too much trouble" is beyond me.

Why he thinks intigrating Windows and Linux servers is all that much different then linking together two totally different Linux systems is odd, actually much easier then he realizes given the fact that for Microsoft, it would be easier then most given they can see and modify the Windows code to make it happen, an advantage that most do not have.

Still I can not understand his enduring love for a company that has no idea of, nor cares about our existence beyond what we bring to thier bank account, no different then any large company today.
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DB doesn't love Google, he's an ABM fanatic
No_Ax_to_Grind 8th Feb 2008
And can't see beyond anything that says Microsoft. To be honest I feel nothing but pity for someone so blinded by a zealots religion.
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ROTFLMAS! (nt)
GuidingLight 8th Feb 2008
happy
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Your arguments get better with time.
DonnieBoy 8th Feb 2008
NT.
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Please carry on...
Could it be that you have to resort to insults when you are beaten????
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Give DB a break, GL
John Zern 8th Feb 2008
As they say, you can't lie your way to the truth, and he's proved that, so let him go on, it's fun to watch!
I bet you have an IQ at least in double figures!!
be a big problem. It will be slow, problematic, and publicly embarrassing. Let us not forget that they will also lose a lot of very good BSD engineers to Google and others.

Like the author said, MS is doing this to prevent a Yahoo-Amazon tie-up. They do not want to be a distant third online.
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Pulease, do you have any idea
No_Ax_to_Grind 8th Feb 2008
how many Linux servers are replaced daily witn Windows server? Don't go away mad, just go away.
than simple web pages. They have a pretty amazing back-end infrastructure, all based on BSD.
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Please...Do you have any idea....
linux for me 8th Feb 2008
How many Windows servers and desktops have been converted to Linux? I do these every day.
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Re: OS is the LEAST important part of itOS is the LEAST important part of i
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 8th Feb 2008
Really? The fact that Yahoo runs everything on Open Source rather than MS technologies makes no difference? I think you may want to re-evaluate your response because it sure has a whole heck of a lot to do with both of their futures.

It will be hilarious to see MS try and move all of Yahoo over to MS technology. How many years did it take for the hotmail transition? Watch as the brilliant minds that worked at Yahoo either leave or get fired in droves. Open source is a cancer, remember?
Yahoo facilities to absorb the BSD engineers. As they say, all is fair in love, war, and business.
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Another DonnieBoy Lie?
John Zern 8th Feb 2008
Let's see the link for that one, or was it something you overheard on your last Google bus tour?
But, you can "bet" that as Google builds data centers as fast as they can, that there will be no unemployed BSD engineers from Yahoo. Well, unemployed for about 30 seconds. And, Google is not the only one hiring.
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They were sucking the lay offs up before.
No_Ax_to_Grind 8th Feb 2008
Well the ones that were worth anything. No loss...
AFTER Microsoft buys Yahoo. That is when they will be leaving in droves. As they say, all is fair in love, war, and business.
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Are you kidding?
No_Ax_to_Grind 8th Feb 2008
Hmm can I run PHP on Windows? Yup. Serve Jave script? Yup, Ajax, Pearl, Flash, on and on? Yes to all. And of coure they can also use new technologies like WPF, Visual Studios "code behind", etc.

Oh yeah, this will be hard, NOT!!!
There is a ton of back-end code that will take time to port over to Windows, and of course then there will be all of the stability and scalability problems of Windows to deal with.

This will be a slow, painful, publicly embarrassing process. That is, of course, assuming that MS can pull off the acquisition in the end.
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HotMail runs on Solaris.
B.O.F.H. 8th Feb 2008
Stick to your toys little one, HotMail was ported to Windows, fell over and they are now in bed with Sun (and running it on Solaris).
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Check your facts,
pv5vymhzyalr2z3@... 11th Feb 2008
before you insult others for their supposed ignorance. According to Netcraft, Hotmail is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 on Windows Server 2003.
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Well, my PhD was in game theory, so I'll play
curtmonash@... 8th Feb 2008
The big question in any negotation is -- what is each side's "threat point". Yahoo has self-sabotage (Google deal) and possibly some kind of Amazon deal. So it has the leverage, and should get a good price. I wrote that up in http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/08/a-game-theorists-view-of-microsoftyahoo/

CAM
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Yes and no...
No_Ax_to_Grind 8th Feb 2008
There is no one rushing in to "save" Yahoo. Threatening to walk away from the MS offer may cause MS to withdraw it and Yahoo's stock would fall like a rock and given their problems (losing money) I don't think they would ever recover.

My take, they will "talk" a bit, but in the end they will take the money and be grateful for it.
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Ahab chasing the white whale
dfolk 8th Feb 2008
That is my guess as to what is driving MS to make this deal. MS has some crazy pathology about Google. I think it rankles MS that another company has beat them and innovated in a way that they never thought of. Google is a genuine innovator, something MS pretends to be far more than they actually are. My guess is that this will help bring the monopoly down a little bit more quickly. Most large mergers go badly, per my reading. One can hope anyway.
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Totally disagree
GuidingLight 8th Feb 2008
I think Microsoft more the innovator then Google in this case. Google's twin cash cows, AdSense and Search are their only real accomplisments to date.

Yes, it rankles alot of comapnies that Google is where it is, simply becuase of "buzz", not the actual usefullness.

I have read reviews of search engines, and in the more balanced ones, google was never top choice of the reviewers, so why are these companies not as "buzzed" if their algorithms are better?

My guess is that this deal will force google to make more mistakes as they would quickly have to deal with a YaHoo with money.
providers. Takes about 5 seconds.
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What ARE you talking about
GuidingLight 8th Feb 2008
That had zero to do with my post
But, the best review of all, is what people choose, given that it only takes them about 5 seconds to switch.
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I did not say that at all.
GuidingLight 8th Feb 2008
I stated that the surveys had shown that there are other smaller sites that are ranked better in results and user experience. I never mentioned nor implied Microsoft was one of them.

I beleive your dislike of anyone who questions or does not love google like you do is automaticlly a "Microsoft Zelot" by default. which meant you missed the entire point of the post

These are better sites, but no one knows they are there as they received no hype like Google has, for whatever reason, and people stick with Google as it is "good enough".
then you tell us that for "more balanced" reviews, Google does not come out on top. You want to be able to imply a lot, and then when you get called on the carpet, be able to squirm out. We ain't that stupid.
to have let Google beat them like this, and also desperate to be relevant and keep the cash cows running as we as the computing word changes. Time waits for nobody.
As some one else here pointed out, Google's twin cash cows look to be in jeopardy if this goes thru, so I can see why they've been spening all their time crying to the Feds to stop this.

Accorrding to the chart in another story here, beyond those two cash cows, nothing else makes them a lick of money as there isn't any meaningful uptake on them.

You're right that computing, and web world, waits for no one, so Google can try and buy or bribe as much time as they can to keep a merger like this from taking market share from them as who knows when those twin cash cows start drying up on google
would be MICROSOFT. But, do not worry, Google will hire any BSD engineers that are laid off. For sure, Google is already looking into office space for BSD engineers near Yahoo facilities.
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Really. Why the double standard?
GuidingLight 8th Feb 2008
Why is it OK for google to gain marketshare by purchasing YouTube, But for bad for Microsoft to gain marketshare by purchasing Yahoo?

Why is it OK for Google to gain marketshare by purchasing dMark Broadcasting, but bad for Microsoft to gain marketshare by purchasing Bungie Studios?

Why was it you think only Google has the right to gain marketshare by purchasing companies?

Why is it you are always against any other company competing with Google?
Google paid for YouTube. AND, YouTube was a good fit for Google. No culture problems, no HUGE infrastructure differences.

And, I was NOT talking about other MS purchases, just the Yahoo purchase. Many of MS purchases could be said to have been prudent. The Yahoo purchase is a sign of desperation.
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No, you just got blindsided by logic
GuidingLight 9th Feb 2008
Sorry, you did not answer the question, that both are doing it for marketshare, and that you think it is fine for Google to gain it by purchases, just not Microsoft (or another company competing against google)

the price is not relevent at all. The company I used to work for was purchased for that reason, at it's sales drawf google's it's price was more then what Microsoft's offer for Yahoo was, so the price is just what something is worth, not how desparate someone is.

You obviouslly do not understand business, so you will never understand why business works the way it does.
no huge differences in infrastructure.

And, yes, the price does matter. A small insignificant purchase of a VERY compatible company that is not the scale of "bet the company" does not show desperation.

A HUGE "bet the company" scale purchase of a company with incompatible infrastructure that must be gutted and very different culture is DESPERATE.
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ROTFL!
GuidingLight 10th Feb 2008
Bet the company!?! Well, their market cap is at 275 billion with 17 billion on income, so I really do not see much of a problem there.
"bet the company" move. As the Internet becomes more and more important, if they fail on this, it will not be pretty. And do not forget this is 50B. Even for MS, blowing 50B is a huge deal.
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It makes good business sense.
kyron.gustafson@... 8th Feb 2008
As Jeremoy Zawodny pointed out to Microsoft just over a year ago.

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/008461.html
"a small Municiple Airpark; they would make the dime from Seatle or the State coffers." That's Marketing isn't it"
All they would have to finish is the infrastructure and put in the software.

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