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My Bing experiment: Experience was more important than results

By | June 24, 2010, 10:01am PDT

Summary: A two-week challenge to use Bing as my primary search engine taught me a few things about my search habits, notably that the tools to control the results was more important to me than the results themselves

Two weeks ago yesterday, I posted an entry on this blog about how my cousin Raquel, who works at Microsoft in Redmond, “suckered” me into giving Bing a test run as my primary search engine. Actually, it was more of a “put up or shut up” kind of challenge - one of many she’s been throwing at me since we were kids.

I think one of the reasons I was so receptive to her challenge was because she wasn’t asking me to review Bing - she didn’t want some sort of side-by-side comparison against Google or any other search engine. She just wanted to know if Bing could meet the needs of my everyday Internet searches and if there were any particular features that it was missing - or that it was doing better than others.

And so I agreed to give it a test run. I switched the settings on my browser toolbars to make Bing the default and promised to spend one week running Bing. That was two weeks ago and, to be perfectly honest, I kind of forgot about it.

No, wait. That’s a good thing.

You see, the results that I obtained with Bing on an everyday basis were - for the most part - just as good as the results I’d get with Google. Oh sure, there were a few searches here and there where I had to tweak the keywords and run a couple of different searches to get the results I needed - but I used to do that with Google, too. (I think it’s me, not the search engines.)

That’s an important thing to note because, though there are small things that I like and dislike about both Bing and Google, the results themselves were not relevant to any sort of decision that I would have made about either one. I did notice that Bing delivers fewer results than Google on most searches. That’s a good thing when you consider that I’m not going to scroll past the first couple of pages of results anyway. But it’s also a bad thing because I couldn’t help but wonder if the page I was looking for was in the results that Bing didn’t deliver.

Still, for me, the experience was more important than the results themselves. With that said, here are a few of my observations:

  • I missed Google’s refinement tools built into the left-side of the primary results page on Google, the ones that allow me to drill down the results by filtering for only blog posts or images or headlines from the last 24 hours. Yes, Bing had similar refinements - but not on the main page
  • I also missed the scrolling, real-time headlines built into Google - the ones that include tweets and other headlines. For a guy who’s constantly watching for breaking news headlines, this has been an invaluable tool - and I did miss it.
  • I did like the “related searches” that Bing offers. Part of my issues with search is that I’m usually winging it when it come to choosing the right keywords. Bing’s suggestions were more than helpful on several occasions - and helped me to find the results I’d been looking for.
  • When it came to images, I liked what Bing had to offer. It allowed me to refine by filtering out photographs from illustrations, looking at images of faces only or those that were in black-and-white or even those that are more tall than wide. Google had similar filtering tools - but Bing’s refinement options were better.
  • Finally, when it came to the mobile search experience on my Android phone, Google still was the best - but that was to be expected. It’s a Google phone, after all, and the search capabilities are embedded deep into that phone. I suspect that Windows Phone 7 devices will have Bing deeply integrated.

In the end, I don’t think I can truly say that Google is better than Bing or that Bing is better than Google. The point of this experiment was whether Bing could meet my everyday search needs - and the answer there is yes. In my two weeks of using Bing faithfully, I never once felt the need to go back to Google and conduct the same search to get better results.

That’s all my cousin Raquel was asking me to do - give it a try. Does that mean that “Bing” will become part of my verb vocabulary the way “Google” has? Probably not. This, after all, was the reason all of this started between my cousin and I - because I made a snide comment when she said that she had “binged” something.

For now, I’ll leave my toolbar settings set to Bing. Maybe it will become a permanent move. Maybe it won’t. But for now, it’s not anything I’m losing sleep over.

Thanks for the challenge, Raquel.

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RE: My Bing experiment: Experience was more important than results
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 11th Oct
Remarkable submit! I want nfl jersey to observe a follow up on this matter??
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Well done...
rs_jr 24th Jun 2010
As a Bing user myself, I am wondering if the new changes (as of yesterday) will give you reason to follow-up this article with new insights.

As I said, I am a Bing user primarily, with Google being my backup. With the new features of BING, especially the Music and Tabs (especially the Wikipedia tab) more integrated, I find it easier to find what I am looking for. More importantly, for my family, it helps my 7 year old stay out of the seedier sides of the Internet, which are one errant click away sometimes (even with parental filters on). He once did a search for Just Bieber and somehow found a Lady Ga Ga video (that was not appropriate for his age... the telephone one). He loves the Entertainment (Games) tab.

Anyway, I hope to see you update this article after you've had more time with the new features.
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@rs_jr
You'll be sad when he writes that is back on Google.

I tried Bing many times and I can't get all the info I get on Google. Plus I use google apps. (I know now Live has them... too late)

I get to more places googleing than using any other search method, and binging sounds so lame.
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Yeah, but googling sounds so goofy
John Zern 24th Jun 2010
but to each his/her own, I guess. I like things about both, but tend to use Bing first as it delivers what I need, plus some.
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[Bing] can't get all the info I get on Google
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 24th Jun 2010
@sirexilon@... Really? Like what pricesely?

Can you share some search phrases you typed into Google that gave you results that didn't meet your needs on Bing?
@sirexilon@... Whatever floats your boat! I've been in the tech industry too long to get wrapped around the axel of one company/technology or the other. These things ebb and flow. It is inevable that the darling of today will be the hasbeen of yesterday.

I prefer Bing and you prefer Google. I don't really think the names are relevant, but if Googling sounds cooler/better to you than Binging and that goes into buying your allegence, then so be it.

As far as Google Apps... If their "good enough" is good enough for you.. go for it.. I prefer Office and Office Web Apps don't look bad for a free product. Having tried it, I can go back and forth between the free Web Apps and the paid for Office apps without any converting, emailing to myself, and my macros still work in Excel.

I am happy with my choices, and I hope that you are happy with yours.
@sirexilon@...

IMO the best thing about google is that when you search for information about chest pain, you get to wonder if they're selling your search terms to your health insurance carrier. And better yet, if they're not doing so now, will they in the future? You'll never know how long they keep the info, so you get to wonder about it forever.

Gotta run, I'm making myself a new tin foil hat this afternoon.
@de-void google only. Most errors you won't see a peep on bing.
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@rs_jr Name wouldn't begin with an 'M' would it?
I love Bing and it is my default search engine. And in no way google is going to replace Bing as default engine on my browser.
--Ram--
@Rama.NET I just can't get the results that live search got. Google at least is at par with what i used to get with live search.
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I ended up switching to Bing without noticing when we were reviewing Windows 7; I was putting beta and RC builds on everything I could get my hands on around the office and at first I was taking the time to switch the default search back to Google. At some point on a couple of PCs I use regularly I forgot. A couple of weeks later I noticed that I had forgotten - and realised that unlike all the times I tried out MSN and Windows Live Search, I hadn't run away screaming and had just used the search results I got (and had got rather used to the previews along the way).

I think Bing does itself a disservice with all the sub-URLs that segregate out features - www.bing.com/social for real-time, the US trial silverlight version of Bing Maps I have to go down a rabbit hole to sign up for on each new PC. Put more of these refinements on the main page - or have a Power User option that sets a cookie or something. But my powerful interface is someone else's confusing mess...
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Google raises search lead, others decline
HollywoodDog 24th Jun 2010
By John Letzing
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Google Inc. increased its share of the U.S. Internet search market to 72.2% in May from 71.4% in the prior month, while rivals Yahoo Inc. and Microsoft Corp. each saw declines, according to data published Monday. Experian Hitwise reported that Yahoo's market share dipped to 14.4% in May, from 15% in the prior month, while Microsoft's share fell to 9.2% from 9.4%. Yahoo and Microsoft have agreed to combine search operations, in a bid to gain ground on Google.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/google-raises-search-lead-others-decline-data-2010-06-21
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Yawn. Hollywoodloser is back. Hi
John Zern 24th Jun 2010
you're too predictable. Lame, but predictable.
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@John Zern ... they can always be counted on to report most favorably for Microsoft.
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May have something to do with.....
OhTheHumanity 24th Jun 2010
@HollywoodDog
Android phones being hot right now. You have alot more people doing searches in places they never could before(on the go) so yeah I could see the numbers jumping in their favor. Doesn't mean its better. I switched to Bing over a year ago and have found everything I need on page one and I do tech searches like its my job.
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Well, tech is my job,
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 25th Jun 2010
@OhTheHumanity... and overall the results and related relevant materials that Bing produces is dismal, even especially for stuff related to MSFT.

I need a search engine that can find the information that I need, without the need for a back up engine. I love all the bingers in here, "I use bing as my primary, but I keep Google for a backup...", well good for you on your back up. I have a search engine that suites my needs without need for a backup, because I know I can count on it.
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@HollywoodDog
That sucks for Yahoo and MS that they are losing search share. I appreciate you posting the numbers. My question is: does this make you happy, indifferent, or sad? At 72.2%, Google is rapidly reaching monopoly territory and the only 2 competitors are moving in the wrong direction. Do you think this is a good thing for consumers? I'm simply asking for your opinion since I'm curious if MS haters like yourself (and I don't mean that as an insult, I'm sure you take it as a compliment) would cheer for a monopoly if it meant MS lost.
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I would say it depends on...
zkiwi 24th Jun 2010
Why Microsoft/Yahoo are losing share. If they're screwing it up, then they deserve to shrink into oblivion. If Google is doing a better job, then so be it.

If however Google is being evil, then let's hope that the courts etc aren't as pathetic as they have been in other recent monopoly abuses. Companies get off too lightly, and everyone else gets screwed.
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This is mostly off topic so I will excuse you if you ignore this and also keep in mind that I'm asking for your opinion here, not fact.

If they're screwing it up, then they deserve to shrink into oblivion.

We hear a lot that Apple in the '90s, when Jobs was gone and MS was having tremendous success with Windows 9X, was a company that was losing because they were screwing up. Do you believe that Apple deserved to gain marketshare in the '90s against MS?

Thanks in advance.
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I'll take the bait.
Lester Young 24th Jun 2010
@NonZealot Apple and Microsoft were both screwing up in the 90s. Apple's disastrous experience with the pre-G3 PPC chips was largely of their own making. Win9x was a marketing success but a technical disaster. I think Apple, starting in the G3 era, had a window of opportunity to capitalize on the issues haunting Windows (which resulted from some BAD decisions in the early 90s), but they muffed it.
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I was more taking a shot at ZD/ComScore
HollywoodDog 25th Jun 2010
@NonZealot ... ComScore reliably reports a tick up for Microsoft. This reports a tick down. In truth, neither of these measures are statistcally significant to report movement either way.
Google isn't a 'monopoly' because the barriers to entry for a search service are so low that anybody can win if they've got a better product. Just because most people choose Google doesn't make them a monopoly.
We've a lot more to fear from Microsoft than from any other company when it comes to monopoly, albeit less so lately.
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Well NZ, it isn't as if MSFT hasn't thecapital...
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 25th Jun 2010
@NonZealot... to make Bing a compelling product. Oh sure they have some pretty eye candy on their search page, which amounts to nothing sort of putting lipstick on a pig.

It isn't as if Google is leveraging itself to shut MSFT out of the market, it is just that MSFT keeps trying to polish the same ol turd hoping to find Gold.

And this has nothing to do with hating MSFT, it all has to do with using a tool that works, and that can do the job, and I can give search results to show how irrelevant Bing really is. One for example is "OLSync Deployment" (without Quotes). Bing comes back with almost 200k results, and most on the front page are irrelevant and relate to Rsync, the related searches are all Military related, Google, Less that 3k results, most if not all of the results on the first 10 results are OLSync related, and most of the related searches are OLSync.

So if you were an exchange e-mail admin, as I am, looking how to deploy Outlook Live hosted e-mail, as I am, and needing documentation, as I did, need to use ILM 2007 with OLSync, and needing the documentation, you spend a whole lot of time spinning gears trying to find the relevant results using bing.

It isn't as if MSFT or Yahoo entered the search industry last year, they didn't, both companies have been providing web search engines for well over a decade. And MSFT has had plenty of time to make Bing right, unfortunately it is still MSN or Windows Live search warmed over with some new lipstick.
I like Bing for it's search, but the News Search is simply pathetic. Google is light years ahead on News. If Bing improves on that, I'll stop giving my data to Google.
@Rahul Mulchandani
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RE: My Bing experiment: Experience was more important than results
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 24th Jun 2010
@NonZealot - really? I actually prefer www.bing.com/news to www.google.com/news.
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@de-void: I mostly use Bing
NonZealot 24th Jun 2010
I mostly use Bing but I found that Bing news did not return articles as relevant as I got back from Google news. So for searches, I like Bing but for news, I usually give Bing a shot, then Google, and end up preferring Google's results.
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Every WP7 handset has a hardware 'Bing Button' on the front. It takes you to Bing. You can't change it to Google. The phone's manufacturer can't change it to Google. So if you get one of those handsets, you really must be a Bing fan, otherwise get an Android phone.
@Market Analyst
Why would you want to change it from Bing?
@Loverock Davidson choice to use what ever you want. This is just another reason to avoid a win7 phone. Nokia all the way. They are just too stable and I can config any settings i want.
@Market Analyst
Hi nutty analyst, how much Google paid you to post negative comments here? Who is your contact? Even Google also does that on their phones. Why don't you talk about it? Until recently Apple had only google as default, and still it is, and because of AT&T we used to see Yahoo as alternative, now they considered Bing also as an option, why? Do you think Steve Jobs is lame to provide Bing as an option there? I dont see any issue of hardwiring Bing as default search engine in Microsoft's Phone as completely wrong, but I see issue with your God Google sitting in competitors board and stealing ideas, and implementing them. Isn't that something like "You too Brutus" or backstabbing?
--Ram--
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Were you abused as a child?...
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 25th Jun 2010
@Rama.NET... what an intense over reaction, I mean wow.
@Market Analyst

Or you could just do what almost everyone on the planet does: go directly to your preferred search engine in the browser, which is what I do on my Blackberry whenever I want a search engine other than Google
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Write in the software, and part of the agreement to use Android, So what's your point?
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Bing fails me.
kraterz 24th Jun 2010
The most common search queries I use don't give me the results I want in Bing, whereas they're usually the first or second results in google. Tried giving them many chances but they just work differently enough for me not to use them. I also suspect there's a lot of politically correct censoring or filtering happening in bing. I don't trust them.
Out of lazyness the default is on Bing. If I don't find it there I go to Google. Most searchs are equivalent on both... (I have both and Wikipedia on the Find of IE8). I like the Bing pictures too, and have a hobby: when they show a place, I try to find it in Google Earth!
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Though I do like Bing Maps for the bird's eye view. Street view is interesting on Google Maps, but many times doesn't show what I'm looking for in the way that interests me.
Ah yes I remember when you laid down the challenge and just read your follow up.

I was going to add more of a comment here but it got to long and has turned in to a full on blog post http://www.bondigeek.com/blog/2010/06/25/bing-and-the-future-of-microsoft/.

However, the short version is yes, I agree, Bing search is pretty much as good as Google these days.

BondiGeek
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The rolling picture search is the best feature in my view.

But the worst feature is that there are glitches when using Bing with non-IE browsers, and that's a big problem. So my Win7/IE8 machine uses Bing as default, but all of my Firefox machines (XP. Vista, and Linux) still use Google as the search engine of choice.

If the Bing group really wants to give Google a run for the gold, they need to avoid showing any exclusivity to Internet Explorer or other forms of Microsoft lock-in.
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I use Scroogle faithfully
Roger Ramjet 25th Jun 2010
That's scroogle.org NOT dot com!
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Bing vs Google
rogerv 25th Jun 2010
I switched all my browsers used in the home to Bing because they have a policy to retain data on their search users for shorter time period than Google.

However, I've kept my at-work browsers on Google, as my searches there are always bland programming/techie related stuff.

Bing has been entirely serviceable as a replacement for Google search. Google could be swallowed up by an Earth quake fissure tomorrow and the world would be able to get by just fine using Bing for searching.
I tried a Bing image search, and put in a popular landmark near where I work. To my surprise, I found two sites that were using one of my copyrighted photos of this landmark without my permission. I assume that Google would have found them too, but the point is, I would never have looked for them at all if you had not written your article. So thanks!
they should be good?
I keep trying Bing, but have not got the results I wanted. In part, it depends what you are looking for. There is no problem for entertainment and US politics. But, when looking for detailed information on foreign locations, I found Bing to be neither complete, nor up-to-date.

Pity, because if you have seen my other posts on this site, I am virulently anti-Google as I consider them to be the biggest purveyors of spyware on the web. That is their business model, and I want as little part in it as I can get.
Well, I gotta say, I HATE Microsoft. So I use Google. I will always use Google over MS Bing unless MS change their ways which is highly unlikely. That said I am glad that there is now competition in search engines so Google has a reason to stay on there toes thereby giving way to new and quicker innovation. If only we can get that in the OS market. Every hero needs a villain just as every villain needs a hero. And unfortunately Apple is turning out to be like a side kick villain.
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RE: My Bing experiment: Experience was more important than results
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 11th Oct
Remarkable submit! I want nfl jersey to observe a follow up on this matter??

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