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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Nokia: 2011 going from bad to worse; Windows Phone 7 device in Q4

By | May 31, 2011, 6:38am PDT

Summary: Nokia cut its second quarter and 2011 outlook as it struggles to fend off competition and is watching average selling prices for its devices tank.

Nokia on Tuesday cut its second quarter and 2011 outlook as it struggles to fend off competition and is watching average selling prices for its devices tank.

Conditions have unraveled for Nokia so quickly that the company said it can’t give 2011 forecasts.

Also see: Nokia, RIM: Sidekicks walking through the valley of the shadow of death

These phones aren't selling.

The problem: Nokia is in limbo as it tries to sell Symbian based devices ahead of Windows Phone 7 devices in late 2011 and early 2012. Nokia confirmed that it will ship a Windows Phone 7 device in the fourth quarter. What’s unknown is whether that device will be enough to salvage 2011 and give Nokia some confidence about 2012. In any case, Nokia is betting everything on Windows Phone. In the meantime, the company needs to sell you a few Symbian devices.

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop said:

“We recognize the need to deliver great mobile products, and therefore we must accelerate the pace of our transition. Our teams are aligned, and we have increased confidence that we will ship our first Nokia product with Windows Phone in the fourth quarter 2011.”

In a statement, Nokia said that its devices and services unit will produce second quarter sales “substantially below its previously expected range of EUR 6.1 billion to EUR 6.6 billion for the second quarter 2011.” Nokia said device volume is lower than expected and average selling prices are tanking.

Second quarter operating margins, which were already cut before, are now expected to “substantially below” the 6 percent to 9 percent range for the second quarter. Device sales are looking weak and Nokia said its operating margin “could be around breakeven.”

For the year, Nokia said “it is no longer appropriate to provide annual targets for 2011.”

As for fixing the situation, Nokia said it is working to add capabilities to its Symbian portfolio to boost sales. The problem with Symbian is that Nokia will move on to another OS soon. Nokia said it will up its retail marketing.

The company has already restructured, but more layoffs could be on tap given the severity of the outlook.

Related:

Nokia cuts 4,000 jobs; Symbian developers to land at Accenture

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RE: Nokia: 2011 going from bad to worse; Windows Phone 7 device in Q4
Crashin Chris 25th Jun
I don't understand why it's taking so long for Nokia to start selling WP7 handsets. The way I see it, they need to get WP7 hardware into the stores ASAP! What about the existing inventory in the pipeline / stores? RECYCLE them. Put 'em all in the shredder! Let 'em come back as different phones. But let's get the new hardware onto the shelves *NOW* and start making some money.
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dragosani Updated - 31st May
This is going to end up one of two ways.

This is going to be one of those huge able to turn the Titanic at the last moment and avoid the iceburg and instant runaway success...

or

it is full steam ahead into the iceburg and sinks very quickly.

I don't think there is any middle ground with Nokia's decision to only use Windows Phone 7.
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Let me guess
Mr. Dee 31st May
@dragosani You own a iPhone, you own a iPad, you own a iMac. Which basically means, you have no credibility on this topic, since you views would be considered biased.
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re: Let me guess
Return_of_the_jedi Updated - 31st May
@Mr. Dee
"You own a iPhone, ..."

The odds of him owning a WP7 was slim to non, right?
@Mr. Dee
And you are a Windows apologist, so your have the same credibility as the poster you are referring to.
@Mr. Dee

I have to agree. Either it will be a success or it will be another Palm. Gartner is predicting that it will be a success, surpassing iphone market share by 2014. I am reserving judgement based on what I see out of Mango.
@Mr. Dee
That means he is i-Naive
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@Mr. Dee
He just predicted that there will be no middle ground of success for Nokia here. He thinks it will be either a runaway success or a dismal failure.

How does that position gibe with what you said? He didn't say it would fail. He just said he doesn't think there will be any such thing as partial success for the new phone. I don't know if he'll turn out to be correct, but it doesn't really indicate bias.
@Rick_K : hey fool, "Mr. Dee" didn't say anything about the topic. Try to learn to read before spitting your crApple defenses.
@Mr. Dee

I own Android phone and Linux, so I say no to icrap and winshit. :>
@Return_of_the_jedi I don't own an iPhone, an iPad, or an iMac; as a matter of fact, I'm using a PC, a Netbook, and an Android phone. But I actually think Nokia/Win Phone 7 will hit that iceberg and sink fast as well. Don't think it has a snowball chance of becoming an "instant runaway success" though...
@Socratesfoot Let me play too! I don't own an iPhone, iPad or iMac; I left XP for openSUSE Linux, and my little Nokia flip phone is dumber than Snooki (and has 10MB storage space with no card slot).

I believe that the world's largest cell phone hardware manufacturer and world's largest OS developer will ultimately do very well (just like all the major analysts predict). Nokia never stopped making great hardware, and Microsoft has made huge strides in a short period of time with WP7 plus has a large number of ecosystem tie-ins (XBox, Office, desktop Windows, etc.). The fact that Windows 8 will run on ARM leads to the possibility of a future OS convergence and the dream of running desktop software on a phone-size device (which would be reality now if manufacturers would just make MIDs, dangit!).
@Socratesfoot

Yup, its like trying to save a sinking ship by throwing it an anchor. While Nokia is a good maker of cell phones WP7 has been pretty unimpressive at best. The next big release of WP7 with 500 new features will most likely be incomplete, buggy and frustrating based on MS past history. This is not the game changer that will over turn Apple or Android. MS will throw money at it to keep it alive and some MS zealots and Apple haters will embrace it but I don't see the general public moving to it. Think of the Zun and you will see the future for WP7.
@dragosani : It was actually while turning that Titanic sank. Had she chosen to collide head-on with the 'berg it probably would not have sunk.
@Lord_of_the_Singhs
Emanuel Kant explored this topic and came to antipodes with you ...
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Figure of speech...
dragosani 31st May
@Lord_of_the_Singhs

is a figure of speech.

happy

If the RMS Titanic had it head on it may not have been any better off.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/12/971227000141.htm
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RE: Nokia: 2011 going from bad to worse; Windows Phone 7 device in Q4
StupidTechZealots-23432415690276115908309621553360 31st May
@dragosani I'm hoping for success. There need to be more WP7 options. To date most of the WP7 hardware has been kind of eh. And eh doesn't generate much excitement with consumers.
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It is going to be interesting
dragosani 31st May
@Stocklone

Either way it I think it is going to be fascinating to watch. If it does become a success they will finally get that American market they have struggled with.
The number of people holding out for WP7 on Nokia says quite a bit about both companies. Sure the numbers are down now for the hold out, but come Q4 when they release their first WP7 those numbers should rise significantly.
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More nonsense?
Economister Updated - 31st May
@LoverockDavidson

"The number of people holding out for WP7 on Nokia"?

Did you just pull that one out of your backside or can you provide a credible link?

Edit: Or is it you and all your imaginary friends?
@Economister
If you had read the same story I did you could see what it was really saying. Nokia sales are down right now until WP7 starts shipping on them. Its not a hard concept to understand.
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@Economister

I for one am looking forward to a Nokia WP7 as many others I've talked to feel the same way. I did bite the bullet though and got the HTC Trophy on Verizon and it is phenomenal. Hands down best OS. The phone is quite slick as well. I feel Microsoft has a winner on its hands and Nokia just got the shot to ride shotgun. I can't wait!
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Concepts vs dreams
Economister 31st May
@LoverockDavidson

I asked for a link, and all you can say is "If you had read the same story I did you could see what it was really saying."

You are truly pathetic.
@Economister
Instead of name calling why don't you read this article. There is no need to post a link because the article is on this very page! Just scroll up.
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@Economister and @LoverockDavidson

whilst the article says "...

The problem: Nokia is in limbo as it tries to sell Symbian based devices ahead of Windows Phone 7 devices in late 2011 and early 2012"

what the article is not saying is that it will change when the Nokia/W7 is launched.
@LoverockDavidson

I did some searching on the Internet and found very little basis for your claim. Most smartphone buyers seem to be more concerned with an immediate purchase and not in waiting for months to purchase a product that, at this time, is generating very little interest (buzz, mindshare, whatever the marketing phrase of the day is). The comments I found about consumers waiting were more that some consumders delayed their purchases to the 2nd quarter from the 1st quarter due to the release of high profile devices in the 2nd quarter. I found nothing that would support a belief that consumers were waiting 9 months or so for a Nokia Windows Phone 7 device rather than purchasing an available iPhone, Android, Blackberry, WP7 or whatever else is currently available.
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Illusions vs reality
Economister 31st May
@DNSB

LD deals mostly in illusions. It is like faith, hard to argue with if someone just believes.
@LoverockDavidson...I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I am definitely holding out for a Nokia WP7 device - the other OEM's simply failed to impress me with their designs. What's encouraging is that the black, pink, and cyan concept Nokia WP7 phones that were first shown over at Engadget garnered over 3,000 posts, the majority of which were very positive. Yes, the sales numbers will rise for Nokia WP7 as long as they bring their quality hardware, appealing aesthetic, and make the availability of the devices on more than one carrier (although I get the feeling that they will launch with ATT).
@LoverockDavidson

You read a lot into this. It is just as easy and probably more accurate to say that people are fleeing Symbian as a dieing OS and moving onto iPhones and Android phones. Few would be willing to wait for a lack lust OS that has received luck warm review at best.
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The ship has sailed and MS is fighting a sinking ship with Win Phone 7. 1 year and 1% later.... Put a fork in it, it's done.
@itguy08
How many months does your year have, wow I must be close to hundred using your calander
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Well I see from various tweets that the internal blame game is still going on in Nokia Berlin. Some of the worst managers I have ever seen - AND THEY ARE still there

They need to delete these guys from the organisation, waste of time and money.

As I said before, glad I resigned.
Nothing new here. Still a wasting time Eh?
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Like you? (nt)
Economister 31st May
@X41

NT
On the upside; Microsoft will be able to purchase the rest of Nokia for a song. Then Nokia can officially become a subsidiary of Microsoft.
@Rick_K

But how much would you pay for a corpse?
@Economister
I dunno. After buying Skype, they're capable of anything.

And I don't mean that to be flattering, either...
@Economister

Even if Nokias marketshare dropped to zero it would still be a valuable company. Nokia holds some very broad mobile phone patents that would be very valuable to any potential buyer.

It wouldnt suprise me at all if Microsofts long term goal is to buy out Nokia, Nokia has everything to lose by betting the farm on WP, Microsoft has very little to lose and lots to gain, and has a reputation for stabbing its "partners" in the back.
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That's an upside?
ego.sum.stig@... 31st May
Colour me confused by that statement.
@ego.sum.stig@?
If MIcrosoft?s intention is to purchase Nokia, and dump the rest of the OEMs (simply to gain a higher profit), it makes good sense to wait till the stock tanks. Why spend $10 billion, when you can pick up the nearly dead company for say $2 billion?
Pretty scary statement. It means they do not have a clue and are just hoping they will not fall off the cliff.

It is not at all obvious to me that Nokia's WP7 hardware will be better than other modern smart phone hardware. After all, they are sourcing from the same technologies and suppliers as everyone else. There is a fair chance this spells disaster for Nokia and MS.
I am holding on for a Nokia windows phone, don't know about anyone else.
They probably shouldn't have announced the switch to WP7 until like a month before they were ready to ship. Let the rumors go around and don't say anything until the product is finalized and is already about to ship to stores.

Lesson learned, better luck next time.
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@avatoin

I think they did not have a choice and had to announce that they actually had a plan for the future.
@dragosani
Don't understand why it is taking Nokia 9 months to bring a WP7 handset to market.

I thought they were supposed to be ****-hot in phones design and execution.

Samsung and HTC will have moved on a couple of generations by then.

Unless Elop had a moment of clarity whilst sitting on the toilet one Sunday, and announced the Titanic change course on Monday morning with design, supply chain, marketing having to do a rapid about face.
@avatoin

when, next time?
phone-haven, or phone-hell?
may be purgatory, if you believe in orthodoxy
I hope Nokia goes bankrupt.
@fibreoptik

Because..

Do you like to see people lose their jobs and support for their products?

Whatever your reason, out of all the things anyone can hope for, you sure picked a strange one..
Should have dropped Symbian years ago
Nothing new we know this from the beginning of the year! Why everybody panic? Only that is important is window phone and transition that?s all. I am buying right now because (NOK) is oversold and dam cheep!
Currently have a Nokia 5230 but it looks like it will be the last Nokia phone I will ever buy. Hardware is good; OS (Symbian) sucks; WP7 unlikely to be be much better. Only avenue open to Nokia is to eat humble pie and go Android. That won't happen. RIP Nokia.
I don't understand why it's taking so long for Nokia to start selling WP7 handsets. The way I see it, they need to get WP7 hardware into the stores ASAP! What about the existing inventory in the pipeline / stores? RECYCLE them. Put 'em all in the shredder! Let 'em come back as different phones. But let's get the new hardware onto the shelves *NOW* and start making some money.

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